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Old 03-02-2006, 08:54 AM   #1
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Video shows Bush Katrina warning

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4765058.stm

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Video shows Bush Katrina warning

Citizens were fleeing New Orleans as Bush was being briefed
Video has been obtained by a US news agency showing President George W Bush being briefed by officials on the eve of the Hurricane Katrina disaster.
The confidential video obtained by the Associated Press shows very strong warnings being given to Mr Bush about the potential strength of the storm.

It appears to contradict subsequent suggestions by the Bush administration that the threat had been unclear.

Critics say more could have been done sooner to evacuate the city.


I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees
George W Bush, speaking after the disaster

Speaking by video link from a room in his Texan holiday ranch on 28 August last year, Mr Bush is shown telling officials: "We are fully prepared".

He does not ask any questions as the situation is outlined to him.

Along with the video, AP obtained transcripts of seven days of briefings relating to Katrina.

Clear warning

The footage does the president no favours, the BBC's Justin Webb reports from Washington.


AP obtained both the video and transcripts of other briefings

It shows plainly worried officials telling Mr Bush very clearly before the storm hit that it could breach New Orleans flood barriers.

In the past, the president has said nobody anticipated a breach but the video shows Michael Brown, the top emergency response official who has since resigned, saying the storm would be "a bad one, a big one".

"We're going to need everything that we can possibly muster, not only in this state and in the region, but the nation, to respond to this event," Mr Brown says.

He also gives a strong, clear warning that evacuees in the Super Dome in New Orleans could not be given proper assistance.

'Very, very grave'

Another official, Max Mayfield of the National Hurricane Center, tells the final briefing that storm models predict minimal flooding inside New Orleans during the hurricane.

But he adds that the possibility of anticlockwise winds and storm surges could cause the levees at Lake Pontchartrain to be overrun afterwards is "obviously a very, very grave concern".

His concern was borne out by events when levees collapsed, letting in the floodwater disastrously.

The president, however, said four days after the storm: "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees."

Mr Bush later accepted he shared some of the responsibility for the flawed response to Katrina and the White House talked of the "fog of war" rendering decision-making difficult.

Michael Brown told AP this week that he did not "buy the 'fog of war' defence".

"It was a fog of bureaucracy," he said.

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Old 03-02-2006, 09:01 AM   #2
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I can't see Bush being faulted for the lack of response. He declared a state of emergency before the hurricane hit, giving the other agencies the mandate to do what they had to do, and they didn't come through.
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Old 03-12-2006, 05:04 AM   #3
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i see him being (partially) at fault. he runs the show, it is on him to make sure shit is done.

he's the CEO, and his company shit the bed

(oh, and t.op)
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Old 03-12-2006, 06:04 AM   #4
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I can't see Bush being faulted for the lack of response. He declared a state of emergency before the hurricane hit, giving the other agencies the mandate to do what they had to do, and they didn't come through.
Ya your right. I guess we're are all becoming quite used to him being caught in lies after the fact.

He also said they would make any resources necessary after the storm passed. I guess he meant 5 days after.
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Old 03-12-2006, 06:54 AM   #5
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I can't see Bush being faulted for the lack of response. He declared a state of emergency before the hurricane hit, giving the other agencies the mandate to do what they had to do, and they didn't come through.

But all the people in charge of those agencies are under-qualified friends of his he gave cushy jobs too.

The only job the FEMA director had before directing FEMA was managing childrens equestrian tournaments.

It's the presidents job to take responsibilty for the failiure in New Orleans, Iraq.....everything. I hear his approval rating has fallen to 37%.


Kanye West said it best: "George Bush doesn't care about black people!"
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Old 03-12-2006, 07:17 AM   #6
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But all the people in charge of those agencies are under-qualified friends of his he gave cushy jobs too.

The only job the FEMA director had before directing FEMA was managing childrens equestrian tournaments.
I'm pretty sure he didn't appoint the governors of Lousiana and Mississippi.
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I'm pretty sure he didn't appoint the governors of Lousiana and Mississippi.
i heard he appointed them while planning 9/11
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[sarcasm] Neither does Switch [/sacasm]
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i heard he appointed them while planning 9/11
He made them plant the explosive in the WTC before he named the governors.

In order to keep their positions, they were required to masqurade as german engineers and to put together a crappy website.
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I'm pretty sure he didn't appoint the governors of Lousiana and Mississippi.
he had something to do with the funding and organisation (not) in place to deal with these situations though
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I'm pretty sure he didn't appoint the governors of Lousiana and Mississippi.

Yah but when can a governer do when the organizations he's supposed to muster shit the bed?

New Orleans was failed by their own country and Bush is the president, it happened on his watch.
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Yah but when can a governer do when the organizations he's supposed to muster shit the bed?
They call in the National Guard to assist the police force and help with evacuations.

In the US, the "leader" of a state has a lot of power, which allows them to handle the diversities in their state. Louisiana is obviously a special case because of all the levees, and because of the constant threat of natural disasters.

The Governors screwed up, and they are looking to pass the buck in order to save their own skins. Bush declared a state of emergency a day or two before the hurricane hit so that these Governors could pull additional resources. They didn't.

After the screw-up, Bush took the blame, as a good leader would, even though it is not his fault.

Bush has his faults, but always looking to blame him for every little mistake is wrong.
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Bush has his faults, but always looking to blame him for every little mistake is wrong.

Then I don't wanna be right!
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It's the fact that he's clearly a lier and it can't be argued one bit because both shots are shown on video.

Unless of course you'd like to argue that he's so stupid that he didn't remember being told that the levey's might break at the time he said no one thought they would.
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