Single Speed Question

Jerry-Rig · 08-26-2004, 07:23 AM

I'm bit of a noob when it comes to this but I have a P3 (vertical dropouts) and I have a single speed hub (Surly) and apparently I need a singulator to make it all work. I tried to order one via a local shop and they can't get one anytime soon.... my question is how do I make it work and/or where can I get a singulator ?

Thanks !

JW

the flying moose · 08-26-2004, 07:26 AM

i dont know if you do any online buying but here is a link to bikeroom.
http://www.bikeroom.com/Itemdesc.asp?CartId={7FE9D8B9-79C0-4043-94E1-071C824FA6DA}&ic=DP7670&Tp=

r3volution · 08-26-2004, 07:31 AM

You also have the option of using a derailleur as a chain tensioner. That's what I use and it works well.

IP FreeLee · 08-26-2004, 07:37 AM

I have tried the singulator and am not entirely a fan of it. The derrailer option is a good one, tie wrap it up against the frame. The other option is gearing it specifically to hold the chain on, you can use a 3/4" heavy chain as well sometimes that works too.
There are a couple of different types of tensioner out there look around and good luck

r3volution · 08-26-2004, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by IP FreeLee
I have tried the singulator and am not entirely a fan of it. The derrailer option is a good one, tie wrap it up against the frame. The other option is gearing it specifically to hold the chain on, you can use a 3/4" heavy chain as well sometimes that works too.
There are a couple of different types of tensioner out there look around and good luck

Having no tensioner with a vert. dropout frame can be bad. The chain is usually way too tight or way to big. It's hard to find a good medium.

Jerry-Rig · 08-26-2004, 09:36 AM

you guys rock ! thanks....

PegCityThrasher · 08-26-2004, 11:36 AM

Tensioners are good... as long as they're not abused. My tensioner ran perfectly when I first got it. Now I'm smashing it into walls tailtapping, when I don't hit my tire. It still works, just not so good anymore. My recommendation is to get one. As long as you're not abusing it, it'll treat you fine. And no need to get an expensive one, like Surly or DMR. Just go with the cheapest one you can find. They all work the same.

hampstead bandit · 08-26-2004, 01:12 PM

DMR make good stuff but their chain devices and especially their "Tension Seeker" are real shady

i went through 3 before DMR gave me a refund, in fact i sold my DMR Trailstar LT frame and got a DMR Rhythm frame with horizontal dropouts as using a chain tensioner on the Trailstar was a complete nightmare.

it wouldn't stay put no matter what i tried, and tended to derail just before the take-off for a double jump, or riding fast through woods, or one time on the road and a bus nearly ran my head over when i flipped over the bars due to chain jumping off

the Surly Singlelator is much better, the DMR is a cheap knock-off and is not safe

but can't beat Horizontal dropouts for proper, safe single speed riding

Scotian_Lotion · 08-26-2004, 05:01 PM

There are only two tensioners worth looking at if you got the bling to fork out on either one (each around $75 CAD)

1st pick:

http://www.rennendesigngroup.com/rollen_info.html

Great because it uses no spring for tension, so ZERO chance of chainslap, and it's tough as hell and grindable. Bolts in two places, instead of just one (hanger and axle... pivots on hanger for tension). Super silent setup.

2nd pick:

http://www.rohloffusa.com/chaintensioner.htm

I'm using this because my dropouts have a "lip" around the top and side surrounding the axle bolt... so that's in the way. The rohloff works great though and is pretty quiet.

j tizzle · 08-26-2004, 08:35 PM

jerry man....you just gotta come talk to me i'll get you sorted out. send me a pm if you havent already figured it out cuz im on vacation for like 2 weeks...

Sobot_FR · 08-26-2004, 10:51 PM

I really like my DMR tension seeker. I don't know whyt everyone's haveing problems.

A friend of mine has had his Tension seeker for like a year and 2 months, and he's had no problems.

...however, I hear that if you put them on too tight (bad idea), they can break.

I keep mine on at a good tension level. Tight enough to keep the chain on, and not allow the chain to hit the chainstay. That's all the tension you need

.

matt shaw · 08-27-2004, 01:07 AM

SINGLEATOR surly rocks plus it comes with a spare spring

NickS · 08-27-2004, 03:55 AM

I have another question for singlespeed, what kinda chain do i need? Anything special or just a pc 59?

Sobot_FR · 08-27-2004, 04:39 AM

I'd get a BMX chain... not the really big ones though... the smaller BMX chains work with a regular cog and sprocket too

scooterpig · 08-27-2004, 06:21 AM

I used an old tektro canti brake caliper,a derailleur jockey pulley, and a bolt from a broke ass derailleur. Takes a little fartin,and filing, but threaded through the back of the dropout, it does what the fancy one in the pic does.
Adjust the tension with a Zap strap, and bingo.
I have had this on the SS for months and had no probs.
I am sure it will self destruct sooner than the one in the pic , but it was free

08-26-2004, 07:23 AM	#1
Jerry-Rig Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NV Posts: 3,318 Rep Power: 1903017	Single Speed Question I'm bit of a noob when it comes to this but I have a P3 (vertical dropouts) and I have a single speed hub (Surly) and apparently I need a singulator to make it all work. I tried to order one via a local shop and they can't get one anytime soon.... my question is how do I make it work and/or where can I get a singulator ? Thanks ! JW __________________

08-26-2004, 07:31 AM	#3
r3volution Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,478 Rep Power: 203	You also have the option of using a derailleur as a chain tensioner. That's what I use and it works well. __________________ Im black on the inside. FYI: Im blacker than black. bmx>mtb

08-26-2004, 09:36 AM	#6
Jerry-Rig Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NV Posts: 3,318 Rep Power: 1903017	you guys rock ! thanks.... __________________

08-26-2004, 11:36 AM	#7
PegCityThrasher Joe Fixit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Left side L.A. Posts: 2,209 Rep Power: 11	Tensioners are good... as long as they're not abused. My tensioner ran perfectly when I first got it. Now I'm smashing it into walls tailtapping, when I don't hit my tire. It still works, just not so good anymore. My recommendation is to get one. As long as you're not abusing it, it'll treat you fine. And no need to get an expensive one, like Surly or DMR. Just go with the cheapest one you can find. They all work the same. __________________ I'm not only president of Head Clubbing for Men, I'm also a client.

08-26-2004, 10:51 PM	#11
Sobot_FR Learn to Swim Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Burlington Ontario Posts: 1,288 Rep Power: 10	I really like my DMR tension seeker. I don't know whyt everyone's haveing problems. A friend of mine has had his Tension seeker for like a year and 2 months, and he's had no problems. ...however, I hear that if you put them on too tight (bad idea), they can break. I keep mine on at a good tension level. Tight enough to keep the chain on, and not allow the chain to hit the chainstay. That's all the tension you need. __________________ .243 racing wethepeople

08-26-2004, 07:37 AM	#4
IP FreeLee Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NV Loc Posts: 134 Rep Power: 442	I have tried the singulator and am not entirely a fan of it. The derrailer option is a good one, tie wrap it up against the frame. The other option is gearing it specifically to hold the chain on, you can use a 3/4" heavy chain as well sometimes that works too. There are a couple of different types of tensioner out there look around and good luck

08-26-2004, 01:12 PM	#8
hampstead bandit Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: London, England Posts: 522 Rep Power: 10	DMR make good stuff but their chain devices and especially their "Tension Seeker" are real shady i went through 3 before DMR gave me a refund, in fact i sold my DMR Trailstar LT frame and got a DMR Rhythm frame with horizontal dropouts as using a chain tensioner on the Trailstar was a complete nightmare. it wouldn't stay put no matter what i tried, and tended to derail just before the take-off for a double jump, or riding fast through woods, or one time on the road and a bus nearly ran my head over when i flipped over the bars due to chain jumping off the Surly Singlelator is much better, the DMR is a cheap knock-off and is not safe but can't beat Horizontal dropouts for proper, safe single speed riding

08-26-2004, 05:01 PM	#9
Scotian_Lotion Leakproof Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Waterloo Has No Water Posts: 55 Rep Power: 0	There are only two tensioners worth looking at if you got the bling to fork out on either one (each around $75 CAD) 1st pick: http://www.rennendesigngroup.com/rollen_info.html Great because it uses no spring for tension, so ZERO chance of chainslap, and it's tough as hell and grindable. Bolts in two places, instead of just one (hanger and axle... pivots on hanger for tension). Super silent setup. 2nd pick: http://www.rohloffusa.com/chaintensioner.htm I'm using this because my dropouts have a "lip" around the top and side surrounding the axle bolt... so that's in the way. The rohloff works great though and is pretty quiet.

08-26-2004, 08:35 PM	#10
j tizzle Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: horshoebay, the armpit of west vancouver Posts: 226 Rep Power: 0	jerry man....you just gotta come talk to me i'll get you sorted out. send me a pm if you havent already figured it out cuz im on vacation for like 2 weeks...

08-27-2004, 01:07 AM	#12
matt shaw scissor sister Join Date: May 2003 Location: Candy Land Posts: 1,644 Rep Power: 25	SINGLEATOR surly rocks plus it comes with a spare spring __________________ http://www.finalgear.com

08-27-2004, 03:55 AM	#13
NickS ride bikes Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: North Bend Washington Posts: 1,801 Rep Power: 1425	I have another question for singlespeed, what kinda chain do i need? Anything special or just a pc 59?

08-27-2004, 04:39 AM	#14
Sobot_FR Learn to Swim Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Burlington Ontario Posts: 1,288 Rep Power: 10	I'd get a BMX chain... not the really big ones though... the smaller BMX chains work with a regular cog and sprocket too __________________ .243 racing wethepeople

08-27-2004, 06:21 AM	#15
scooterpig Not fat.....Husky!!! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Missionary position Posts: 104 Rep Power: 10	I used an old tektro canti brake caliper,a derailleur jockey pulley, and a bolt from a broke ass derailleur. Takes a little fartin,and filing, but threaded through the back of the dropout, it does what the fancy one in the pic does. Adjust the tension with a Zap strap, and bingo. I have had this on the SS for months and had no probs. I am sure it will self destruct sooner than the one in the pic , but it was free __________________ Jeezus is that me that smells ???????

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