.243 rear tabs....rear wheel hopping.

oicdn · 10-21-2003, 07:35 PM

I know Trials use rim brakes because the tabs maky break on a frame, warp the frame, etc. from backward forces.

How is the .243 brake tabs if I decided to do ALOT of rear wheel hopping specifically the 04 model? I know the quality is top notch....just never thought about the rear tabs in this situation considering I'm going to be using it to elarn rear wheel hops extensively.....

Anybody?

WBC · 10-21-2003, 08:24 PM

Don't the tabs move with the dropouts...meaning they're not part of the frame? If so, no worries there...you will probably be able to buy that piece for not much money...Tabs on the frame? As far as HT freeride frames of that caliber go in general, I wouldnt worry about it anyway. That area is so reinforced and the tubes are such heavy guage to withstand huge drops, etc that some hops won't do any damage, even though it is pulling against the triangle.

Calipers are where I'd worry. I know Hayes HATE backloads...I've had to replace my pistons twice so far (I play around with 180s, 360 TTs, etc a lot, but Im heavy and reliant on the rear brake).

Mechanical brakes usually do alright, though.

Del · 10-21-2003, 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by WBC
Don't the tabs move with the dropouts...meaning they're not part of the frame? If so, no worries there...you will probably be able to buy that piece for not much money...Tabs on the frame? As far as HT freeride frames of that caliber go in general, I wouldnt worry about it anyway. That area is so reinforced and the tubes are such heavy guage to withstand huge drops, etc that some hops won't do any damage, even though it is pulling against the triangle.

Calipers are where I'd worry. I know Hayes HATE backloads...I've had to replace my pistons twice so far (I play around with 180s, 360 TTs, etc a lot, but Im heavy and reliant on the rear brake).

Mechanical brakes usually do alright, though.

the vbrake mounts move, the disk ones dont. I heard forces on the disk mounts is a really bad idea, why not just get a nice set of rim brakes, even maguras or something instead, that would be way better on everything (hub, disk, caliper etc can get fuxored otherwise)

WBC · 10-21-2003, 08:40 PM

Don't the 04s have disc tabs that move with the axle? Or am I thinking of another frame...?

white ri0t · 10-21-2003, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WBC
Don't the 04s have disc tabs that move with the axle? Or am I thinking of another frame...?

You are thinking of another frame.

I say go for it, use a disk and hop to your heart's content, Eric will take care of you if you do break it, and probably make the frame stronger as a result of it.

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Strupat · 10-21-2003, 10:23 PM

the tabs that break off are on aluminum frames. steel tabs like the .243 shouldn't break. if you want to be safe use a 6" rotor on the back, there will be less leverage from the adapter than a larger rotor.

NickS · 10-22-2003, 12:27 AM

i'm pretty sure the mounts do move with the frame on 2004 243's
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Strupat · 10-22-2003, 12:41 AM

moveable disc tabs? the 2004 .243 frame doesn't have moveable disc mounts. I don't think ANY frame has that. it sounds pretty silly.

oicdn · 10-22-2003, 01:45 PM

Yeah,I thought maybe that only pertained to Aluminum ones....

Yeah see, the other thing is:

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jump it, thrash it, bash it. designed and built for the abuse of the north shore and the downtown core. our frames are covered by a 2 year manufacturing defect warranty
and a 1 year crash replacement policy; our saddles and posts are covered by a 1 year manufacturing defect warranty; and our bars, stems, and caps are covered by a life
time manufacturing warranty.

What happens after the 2 years are up and the tabs break....that'd suck. Fox is a great guy, and I'm betting he would replace it, although it's completely within his right to NOT replace the frame after wards...I'm just wondering if I broke them off.....

Eh....I guess it's a risk.

Looks like the tabs DON'T move.

I WOULD get rim brakes, but see, the problem with that is, I have a D321 rear....not quite disc compatible. Unless somebody is giving away a 121 and would trade a 6 inch rear hope DH4 for some rim brakes.....I can't see swapping over anytime here soon...money issues, LOL. And there is NO WAY I'm going to switch frames just because the tabs might break....LOL, that frame is soooo kick ass.

EaTDuRRRT · 10-22-2003, 01:57 PM

the new kona cowan is the frame with adjustable disc mounts/dropouts... I'm pretty sure of that... yeah, the .243 should handle it fine

oicdn · 10-22-2003, 01:59 PM

Thought it'd prolly handle it fine...LOL, hope Fox answers....

UFO · 10-23-2003, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Strupat
moveable disc tabs? the 2004 .243 frame doesn't have moveable disc mounts. I don't think ANY frame has that. it sounds pretty silly.

you sound silly

my old (2000 i think?) voodoo shango had that, disc mount moved with horizontal dropouts. why is it not a good idea to have the mount move with the rear wheel? keeps pad/rotor contact at the optimal setting. the disc mount bolted into the rear of the frame, as well as to the wheel via the solid axle.

if you bust the tabs, just buy a new piece instead of the whole frame. the one down side was it was a pain in the ass to remove the rear wheel...had to take off the rear caliper and then the discmount before sliding the wheel out of dropouts.

EaTDuRRRT · 10-24-2003, 04:25 AM

yeah, what he said

Painting_of_Rebelion · 10-24-2003, 09:44 AM

Rim brakes are way better for learning trials like moves...they are in effect 26(or 24) in discs...they have better modulation IMO, and a better more "direct" feel to them...get a set of vee's and a cheap rear rim if you're just learning and go for broke...Good luck with it, it amke you a way better tight trail rider...you'll clean sections with ease if you just work on slow speed trials esque moves.

Discs have their advantage in heat disipation/ fade resistance, and all weather running abitlity...V-brakes heat energy is unfortunately transmitted to the rim which can cause warping after sustained descents...that said, on a light rig, I love the feel you have with Vee's, I just love my Discs when it's mucky as shit and I need to stop

oicdn · 10-24-2003, 12:31 PM

Hmmm.....gonna look into some HYDRO V's though....LOL, once you go hydro, you don't go back...LOL. I'll just have a hard time getting used to getting rid of my DH4s. But we'll see how well it locks on trials-esque moves and such, and if it's good to go.. no need in spending more money I don't have. And if seems to like to slip, a stickier pad change is in order and if all else fails, then I'll get V's, a rim, re-lace, and tar it a little. See, it's alot easier to keep the discs...I have no doubt that with STICKY EBS pads, it should work fine, I'm just scared of tabs breaking.....

10-21-2003, 07:35 PM	#1
oicdn Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 508 Rep Power: 10	.243 rear tabs....rear wheel hopping. I know Trials use rim brakes because the tabs maky break on a frame, warp the frame, etc. from backward forces. How is the .243 brake tabs if I decided to do ALOT of rear wheel hopping specifically the 04 model? I know the quality is top notch....just never thought about the rear tabs in this situation considering I'm going to be using it to elarn rear wheel hops extensively..... Anybody?

10-21-2003, 08:24 PM	#2
WBC Big Pat Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bellingham Wa Posts: 1,682 Rep Power: 234	Don't the tabs move with the dropouts...meaning they're not part of the frame? If so, no worries there...you will probably be able to buy that piece for not much money...Tabs on the frame? As far as HT freeride frames of that caliber go in general, I wouldnt worry about it anyway. That area is so reinforced and the tubes are such heavy guage to withstand huge drops, etc that some hops won't do any damage, even though it is pulling against the triangle. Calipers are where I'd worry. I know Hayes HATE backloads...I've had to replace my pistons twice so far (I play around with 180s, 360 TTs, etc a lot, but Im heavy and reliant on the rear brake). Mechanical brakes usually do alright, though. __________________ SOR

10-21-2003, 08:40 PM	#4
WBC Big Pat Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bellingham Wa Posts: 1,682 Rep Power: 234	Don't the 04s have disc tabs that move with the axle? Or am I thinking of another frame...? __________________ SOR

10-21-2003, 10:23 PM	#6
Strupat What? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Kanada Posts: 82 Rep Power: 0	the tabs that break off are on aluminum frames. steel tabs like the .243 shouldn't break. if you want to be safe use a 6" rotor on the back, there will be less leverage from the adapter than a larger rotor. __________________ What's a "forks"?

10-22-2003, 12:27 AM	#7
NickS ride bikes Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: North Bend Washington Posts: 1,801 Rep Power: 1425	i'm pretty sure the mounts do move with the frame on 2004 243's ________ Redhead Webcams Last edited by NickS; 08-31-2011 at 01:51 PM.

10-22-2003, 12:41 AM	#8
Strupat What? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Kanada Posts: 82 Rep Power: 0	moveable disc tabs? the 2004 .243 frame doesn't have moveable disc mounts. I don't think ANY frame has that. it sounds pretty silly. __________________ What's a "forks"?

10-22-2003, 01:57 PM	#10
EaTDuRRRT Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Shore, bc, canada Posts: 705 Rep Power: 10	the new kona cowan is the frame with adjustable disc mounts/dropouts... I'm pretty sure of that... yeah, the .243 should handle it fine __________________

10-22-2003, 01:59 PM	#11
oicdn Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 508 Rep Power: 10	Thought it'd prolly handle it fine...LOL, hope Fox answers....

10-24-2003, 04:25 AM	#13
EaTDuRRRT Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Shore, bc, canada Posts: 705 Rep Power: 10	yeah, what he said __________________

10-24-2003, 09:44 AM	#14
Painting_of_Rebelion "What the Deuce?" Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: PDX, OR Posts: 2,752 Rep Power: 25	Rim brakes are way better for learning trials like moves...they are in effect 26(or 24) in discs...they have better modulation IMO, and a better more "direct" feel to them...get a set of vee's and a cheap rear rim if you're just learning and go for broke...Good luck with it, it amke you a way better tight trail rider...you'll clean sections with ease if you just work on slow speed trials esque moves. Discs have their advantage in heat disipation/ fade resistance, and all weather running abitlity...V-brakes heat energy is unfortunately transmitted to the rim which can cause warping after sustained descents...that said, on a light rig, I love the feel you have with Vee's, I just love my Discs when it's mucky as shit and I need to stop __________________ RIP Charles Edward DelaForest... Born: September 1978 - Murdered May 2005 Gone but not forgotten, I miss you brother.

10-24-2003, 12:31 PM	#15
oicdn Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 508 Rep Power: 10	Hmmm.....gonna look into some HYDRO V's though....LOL, once you go hydro, you don't go back...LOL. I'll just have a hard time getting used to getting rid of my DH4s. But we'll see how well it locks on trials-esque moves and such, and if it's good to go.. no need in spending more money I don't have. And if seems to like to slip, a stickier pad change is in order and if all else fails, then I'll get V's, a rim, re-lace, and tar it a little. See, it's alot easier to keep the discs...I have no doubt that with STICKY EBS pads, it should work fine, I'm just scared of tabs breaking.....

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