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Old 03-15-2012, 03:10 PM   #1
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Sram's answer to the Shadow Plus is here...

Sram's response to Shimano's clutched Shadow Plus derailleur is on its way. Seb Kemp got the goods.

Check out the Sram TYPE 2 derailleurs here...
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Old 03-15-2012, 03:39 PM   #2
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I'm sold. I've been waiting for SRAM to come out with this. I was very interested in Shimano's Shadow Plus but did not want to change my entire drivetrain from SRAM to Shimano to get it. Also, something else to consider...the increased chain tension and lack of a bouncing chain should help keep the chain from coming off on bikes where fitting a chainguide is not possible. The question is, when will it be available to buy?
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Why do companies keep putting rubbish logos all over their products? If you own the product, then you don't need that marketing crap any more. Keep it clean, keep it simple. What does "Exact Actuation" even mean?
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The question is, when will it be available to buy?
Sram says July production, August availability.

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What does "Exact Actuation" even mean?
Referring to the 1:1 ratio of cable pull to derailleur movement.
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Old 03-15-2012, 07:31 PM   #5
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back pedaling?

Does the one way roller clutch allow back pedaling for ratcheting on techie trail spots or otherwise?
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PS: Is anyone else as tried as typing ‘derailleur’ as I am? Can we just please start substituting ‘mech’ or ‘rear mech’ or even ‘RD’? Comments please.
Yes. Too many "l's", and what's up with the "eur"??
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Old 03-15-2012, 07:49 PM   #7
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"Exact Actuation"....means ......"Must have it"

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Old 03-15-2012, 08:55 PM   #8
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Referring to the 1:1 ratio of cable pull to derailleur movement.
You just proved my point. Even 1:1 ratio is meaningless. It's just marketing lingo made up to sell product, which is totally fine, but once you've bought the product, why do you still need to have it plastered all over it? Would you buy a TV and then not remove all the stickers that highlight it's features?
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Old 03-15-2012, 08:59 PM   #9
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The biggest advantage of the shadow plus is not the sound, but not dropping the chain and not running chain guides. I haven't dropped mine once in the 2 or so months I've had it.
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Old 03-15-2012, 10:33 PM   #10
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that X.O level rear D. is dreamy..
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how about rear de-railer , 'cuz that's what they do .

not in favor of rear metch or is it rear meck ?
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Why do companies keep putting rubbish logos all over their products? If you own the product, then you don't need that marketing crap any more. Keep it clean, keep it simple. What does "Exact Actuation" even mean?
product graphics are important in 2 situations: 1st when the product is on the shelf it must scream "buy me, I have exact actuation an my name is X0" and 2nd, when used by the already persuaded buyer, it must scream to all the people that see it "buy me, I have exact actuation an my name is X0".

It irritates me to no end, but that's just the way the managers think the market works. And in most cases it really does. As a designer, it pains me to design a good (great?) looking sports product, only for the marketing guy to come along and say "make the logo bigger".
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Does the one way roller clutch allow back pedaling for ratcheting on techie trail spots or otherwise?
Zero affect on that. The clutch holds the pulley cage from easily swinging forward. That is all. In that way you get very little chain bounce. Almost like a single speed. I have the Shadow plus on both my bikes and it works as advertized. I haven't dropped a chain off the chain rings since and I used to often enough. Never enough that I desired a chain retention device though. I find the Shimano XTR shadow plus is a bit stiffer to shift to lower gears than the standard shadow. Not so much that it is particularly noticeable though and I never blow a shift to lower gears.

And you do want a mechanism to release the clutch to make removing the rear wheel easy. And with the Shimano switch, you have the option of no clutch which makes setting up the derailleur easier. Also you can adjust the amount of friction with the Shimano clutch. I set mine a little less tight and it shifts a wee bit easier.
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" a rear derailleur with some sort of clutch technology."

sounds like what we called a "torrington clutch" ...its the last entry
http://www.daltonbearing.com/torring...-bearings.aspx

they been around for a very long time, I seen them used in OLD computer printers, a pair of them setup to drive in both directions could harness the back & forth motion of the print carrier to drive the ribbon

When they fuck up take em apart & lube with grease
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Agreed! Hate typing dérailleur. RD or rear mech are good.

I dig the clutch idea. Can't wait to bust off my current one.
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