NSMB pseudo lawyers: McBarge

thewalrus · 02-05-2012, 05:19 AM

As most of us know, the McBarge has been anchored in Burrard Inlet for a long, long time. Aren't there some federal government / Transport Canada regulations on how long you can anchor an unmanned vessel in a waterway?

It's great that they're fixing it up and using it for a waterfront restaurant/attraction, sort of like how Steveston has some tourist trap fish & chips restaurants, and New West has its waterfront promenade...

But my question is, how has a private owner been allowed to anchor that thing in Burrard Inlet for so many years? Have they been paying the feds? Or have they been exploiting a loophole in regulations that has let them keep it there for free, because they're too cheap to tow it somewhere and pay ten years of moorage for such a huge thing?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...-comeback.html

Bryan · 02-05-2012, 05:41 AM

What makes you think they wouldnt be paying? They should be paying water lot lease. The barge has been used in at least one movie(blade 3) and I think one other movie.

thewalrus · 02-05-2012, 05:58 AM

I believe a foreshore lease with the province is only valid if something is connected to the shoreline or occupying the area where the tide goes in and out... This is in the federally regulated waterway.

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/land_tenure...ome/index.html

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/land_tenure...nas/index.html

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/land_tenure...age/index.html

Duncan · 02-05-2012, 07:26 AM

It used to be a MacDonalds, so its too toxic to move, clean, repair or scuttle. Medical experts warn that merely looking at it from the relative safety of the North Shore will cause your arteries to harden.

Bryan · 02-05-2012, 05:13 PM

Still curious as to why you feel they are not paying? Did I miss something somewhere? The province has 100's of barges tied up all over the place, does this bother you to?

Madman · 02-05-2012, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan

Still curious as to why you feel they are not paying? Did I miss something somewhere? The province has 100's of barges tied up all over the place, does this bother you to?

No?

ReductiMat · 02-05-2012, 05:53 PM

Do all the other barges look as pretty as this one?

...

Reminds me of when Homer designed a car.

gerewh0re · 02-05-2012, 06:08 PM

I like grouse mountain. It is awesome. But when I think about the mountain I fear that the property taxes aren't high enough.

I don't know what the taxes are but I think they are ripping north van off.

Any tax experts know how I can foreclose on grouse ?

LOBOTIDULATOR · 02-05-2012, 06:27 PM

I look forward to seeing mcbarge every time I'm taking a train to Vancouver. Railroader smiles pay its taxes.

DaveM · 02-05-2012, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gerewh0re

I like grouse mountain. It is awesome. But when I think about the mountain I fear that the property taxes aren't high enough.

I don't know what the taxes are but I think they are ripping north van off.

Any tax experts know how I can foreclose on grouse ?

just grab a shovel and level it out, that'll teach em

BNoel · 02-05-2012, 06:57 PM

love the Demos fire extinguisher tag on the side

thewalrus · 02-06-2012, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan

Still curious as to why you feel they are not paying? Did I miss something somewhere? The province has 100's of barges tied up all over the place, does this bother you to?

I think it's inappropriate to leave a derelict, graffiti tagged eyesore tied up for 10+ years somewhere in a waterway adjacent to a major urban area. The industrial barges tied up all over the place are in active use. The McBarge isn't.

XXX_er · 02-06-2012, 03:25 AM

there are no mclogo's on the barge and nobody has actualy said who owns it ?

thewalrus · 02-06-2012, 03:48 AM

wikipedia:

Quote:

In June 2009, the McBarge's current owner, Gastown developer Howard Meakin, submitted a proposal to the Mission city council for a waterfront development on the Fraser River, with the former McBarge as the centrepiece. Named "Sturgeon's on the Fraser", the development would include multiple restaurants and a marina complex, including paddlewheeler excursions and float plane service to Victoria and Nanaimo.[1][7] As of August 2010, the proposal enjoys local support, but awaits council approval.[8] Other proposals that have been put forward without owner interest include using the barge as a homeless shelter to alleviate overcrowding in Vancouver's current temporary shelters.[9]

http://www.webcitation.org/5nGlB04hV

ReductiMat · 02-06-2012, 04:10 AM

Quote:

using the barge as a homeless shelter to alleviate overcrowding in Vancouver's current temporary shelters

LOL. And then sink it when they're all asleep? The answer to the homeless problem!

How do people say things like this out loud?

02-05-2012, 05:19 AM	#1
thewalrus Human Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bellingham/Vancouver/Central Asia Posts: 2,939 Rep Power: 2847546	NSMB pseudo lawyers: McBarge As most of us know, the McBarge has been anchored in Burrard Inlet for a long, long time. Aren't there some federal government / Transport Canada regulations on how long you can anchor an unmanned vessel in a waterway? It's great that they're fixing it up and using it for a waterfront restaurant/attraction, sort of like how Steveston has some tourist trap fish & chips restaurants, and New West has its waterfront promenade... But my question is, how has a private owner been allowed to anchor that thing in Burrard Inlet for so many years? Have they been paying the feds? Or have they been exploiting a loophole in regulations that has let them keep it there for free, because they're too cheap to tow it somewhere and pay ten years of moorage for such a huge thing? http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...-comeback.html __________________ "Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes, it has not died out." - The Daily Telegraph (1877)

02-05-2012, 05:58 AM	#3
thewalrus Human Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bellingham/Vancouver/Central Asia Posts: 2,939 Rep Power: 2847546	I believe a foreshore lease with the province is only valid if something is connected to the shoreline or occupying the area where the tide goes in and out... This is in the federally regulated waterway. http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/land_tenure...ome/index.html http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/land_tenure...nas/index.html http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/land_tenure...age/index.html __________________ "Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes, it has not died out." - The Daily Telegraph (1877)

02-05-2012, 07:26 AM	#4
Duncan My name is not nousefora Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: ,Location,Location Posts: 3,886 Rep Power: 11136187	It used to be a MacDonalds, so its too toxic to move, clean, repair or scuttle. Medical experts warn that merely looking at it from the relative safety of the North Shore will cause your arteries to harden. __________________ WHEN YOU'RE A MAN...SOMETIMES YOU WEAR STRETCHY PANTS...

02-05-2012, 06:57 PM	#11
BNoel sharp head Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kamloops B.C. Posts: 1,580 Rep Power: 1676350	love the Demos fire extinguisher tag on the side __________________

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02-05-2012, 05:41 AM	#2
Bryan bighitter who? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: not close enough to the riding Posts: 6,290 Rep Power: 10604291	What makes you think they wouldnt be paying? They should be paying water lot lease. The barge has been used in at least one movie(blade 3) and I think one other movie.

02-05-2012, 05:13 PM	#5
Bryan bighitter who? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: not close enough to the riding Posts: 6,290 Rep Power: 10604291	Still curious as to why you feel they are not paying? Did I miss something somewhere? The province has 100's of barges tied up all over the place, does this bother you to?

02-05-2012, 05:53 PM	#7
ReductiMat Reductive Materialist Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,554 Rep Power: 17951169	Do all the other barges look as pretty as this one? ... Reminds me of when Homer designed a car.

02-05-2012, 06:08 PM	#8
gerewh0re cam's boss Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 5,759 Rep Power: 2289248	I like grouse mountain. It is awesome. But when I think about the mountain I fear that the property taxes aren't high enough. I don't know what the taxes are but I think they are ripping north van off. Any tax experts know how I can foreclose on grouse ?

02-06-2012, 03:25 AM	#13
XXX_er Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: central B.C. Posts: 10,967 Rep Power: 6350181	there are no mclogo's on the barge and nobody has actualy said who owns it ?

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