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Are we all Riotous?
Please note - the title to this piece is hyperbole to help illustrate my point. I realize that you aren't prone to rioting and that most of us aren't.
As the self-righteousness of those decrying the Vancouver riots reaches a fever pitch I find myself asking some uncomfortable questions. If I had been there when everything began to melt down – perhaps at the ripe age of 18 and filled with some scary combination of testosterone, adrenaline, alcoholic beverages and/or drugs – would I have found myself carried into the melee beyond the point of curious voyeur? Would I now be facing the wrath of friends, coworkers and relatives? Would I have been expelled, lost my job, kicked off a team or perhaps facing charges? I hope not but I’m afraid I can’t say for sure – because I’ve never found myself in the midst of a riot. I know that my current self would have made the right descision and I hope my younger self would have left immediately when things went sideways – but it’s a hope that lacks the confidence of experience. Those who lit the first fires, those who swarmed and beat individuals, those who smashed windows and looted stores or those who confronted police because the VPD’s officers were showing tremendous restraint, are not the people I’m talking about. Those who started the literal and figurative fires deserve to be the focus of the city’s rage and I hope they face the consequences of their actions. I’m referring to those like a young high school student who found himself in front of a large chanting audience – with a hockey stick that someone had handed him – faced with a wall of glass, or a young mountain biker who poses for a photo in front of a burning truck on Georgia St. Or the water polo star that felt compelled to try to set a police car ablaze. That last example is particularly troubling and tragic, but are we really to conclude that this young lad had this planned, that we can explain his behaviour by looking at past examples from his life? That this was something in line with his character? If not then how do we explain it? There’s one common theme I’ve noticed in every video, every photo and every description of the night’s events; everyone involved was human. Of course there are more commonalities; the overwhelming majority are young males and many have had too much to drink, smoke or injest otherwise. I was watching a youtube video showing the faces of those cleaning up broken glass and other refuse – and virtually all of those faces – particularly the younger ones – have doppelgangers among those who caused the mess. The fundamental attribution error states that when we see others make mistakes we blame it on their character, their intelligence or perhaps even their race. Driving is a perfect example. That guy who cut you off in traffic is an idiot or asshole, not someone rushing home because his wife is in labour, or late for his first day work because his daughter was up all night vomiting. On the other side is the actor-observer bias – which leads us to explain our own behaviour because of the situations we find ourselves in. We ran that red light because some cirumstance caused us to be in a hurry. These are mistakes all of us make every day – generally without knowing it. When we see those who were swept up in the frenzy of chaos and violence we say they are bad people. This may be true in many cases – particularly when we consider those who brought tools of destruction to the party. But in many more cases the psyches of these individuals may have been twisted and diverted by the insanity they saw around them. (note - I am not saying this excuses their behaviour) It is now virtually impossible for many of us to be aware on a daily basis that we are merely animals. We started off as single celled beings and we’ve become increasingly complex over millions of years – but that animal DNA, which has kept our species alive and growing, still courses through our veins and influences our actions on a daily basis. Herd behaviour describes how people like you and I can act together in unplanned ways when we find ourselves in a group. We do things because we see others doing things – sometimes good and sometimes bad. How and why this happens long after we lived in herds to survive isn’t clear. What is clear is that the morality of the mob sinks to the lowest common denominator and individuals find themselves doing things they would never normally do. Our reptilian brains take over and we act like imbeciles. I say ‘we’ not because I can remember an example when this has happened to me – but because we are all humans and prone to this effect to a lesser or greater degree. Many seem to be delighted by the public shaming facebook and other venues is bringing down on many rioters. I’ve been guilty of it myself. We savour the schadenfreude and tell ourselves we are better – that we’d never do anything like that. For some of us this may be true. Another herd behaviour is the well known ‘Bystander Effect’. This causes normally helpful, caring and productive members of society to fail to help to those in distress when there is a group witnessing the situation. The smaller the group the more likely it is that someone will help. There are those who aren’t affected by this tendency and they have been studied and shown to be fundamentally different from most of us. They are consistently more likely to make their own decisions in group situations, but they are a tiny minority. And there were many examples during the Stanley Cup riot of brave souls who stood up to the rampaging hordes – and sadly many of them paid for it with a shower of fists and feet. While listening to a sports radio call in show I heard a long time Vancouverite tell his tale. He was at the 1994 riot and he participated. He was young and perhaps a little drunk – he didn’t say - and carried by the masses to a place he never thought he would find himself. He was as disgusted and ashamed as you or I by what happened on June 15th 2011 – and he still can’t explain what happened to him 17 years ago - the last time the Canucks lost a game 7 in the Stanley Cup Final. Before you begin writing another self-righteous and self-congratulatory reply to this (as I have done) let me say that I was and am as disgusted, repulsed and ashamed as anyone by the events of this past Wednesday night. I sat in mute disbelief in front of the television while the reputation of our beautiful city – where my parents and I were born and raised – was forever defaced. I also believe that those involved should face penalties for what they have done; particularly those who instigated the meltdown. But if we explain all of this by calling all of those involved idiots, vandals and morons who have nothing in common with the rest of humanity, we risk having this scenario repeated again and again – as it has been throughout history. Flame on. |
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Deep Cam is Deep.
I specifically went downtown Game 5 and had a great time because I had a feeling Game 7 would be a shitshow win or lose. And I still had my glasses bent during game 7 on the dangerous north shore of the Vancouver River. |
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I think we are seeing what should have also been expected.
In 94 many here would have been just as pissed at what happened. Felt helpless as there was nothing anyone could do. We didn't have the internet, cell phone cameras, and all the other gadgets. Now here in 2011 people are pissed again. The difference is the angry residents aren't as helpless. We now have the internet and thanks to thousands of images on there courtesy of the tech we now have. The majority who are pissed and ashamed are able to do something. That being ID these people and pass it on to the right people.
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I'm with the pedalphiles
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Bah.
I was here in the 94 riots. Spent the night guarding a store front from looters with many others. Those deciding to partake in the riot, or to egg them on can accept any and all consequences. If that amounts to jail time, community service, public shame, so be it. If that only amounts to my contempt, and nothing else, so be it. They came to our city and embarrassed us on a global scale. They made their bed, now they can lie in it.
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Defninitely no flaming from me.
I think I'm on the exact same page as you in regards to this post for the most part. "Judge not, lest ye be judged", or in more modern day terms, "STFU, you fucking hypocrite1!!". As it was happening the sense of dread, revulsion and anger I felt was overwhelming. I didn't want to believe what I was seeing. I didn't want to believe people were actually staying there, participating (through non-participation). A few days later, the strong emotions have ebbed. Life goes on. I find that the actions of people the following day have now overshadowed the stain that occured the night prior. The only point I take issue with is your comment on schadenfreude. If I had a puppy who shit on the carpet, I'd take no joy out of punishing him. Rather, I would do it out of necessity. Just like the defecating puppy, these ... children (at least mentally) need to have their noses rubbed in it. Furthermore, I believe that the more public they make this, the greater the chance this will not happen again (at least for this generation). I take no pleasure out of this. It is only for mine, and my family's health and well-being going forward. Finally, to the core group of anarchists that were around during the olympics and who were the initial spark for wednesday night, I sincerely hope we as a society can find them and ask them to move. With force if necessary. Actually, I lie... not if necessary. I'd like to throw a few their way before they leave. |
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Great post Cam, and you are right, it is hard to know how you will act, especially if someone you know was beaten or pepper sprayed by the cops (justly or not). The inner rage of youth towards authority mixed with adrenaline can get a lot of kids (mainly boys) whipped up in a frenzy that is uncharacteristic.
That being said the total disrespect for authority and other people's property is pretty common these days with kids in their day to day, so I still think I would not have joined the anarchy. I was caught up in the riot of '94 when I was 21, and I can't say I trashed the city, I just ran, but then again I was blissfully unaware (read drunk as fuck) that I was in an actual riot until the tear gas came out and that shit is no fun to hang around in. There was about 6 of us out that night and once we got clear of the riot and back to our hotel we calmed back down and NOBODY was thinking it would be cool to go back out and join the mess. The next day it was hard to not be ashamed of just being down there. |
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can i get a TL;DR please?
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I'm with the pedalphiles
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One of the big elements at play that is just amplified in the mob is the mixture of the anti-authoritarian outlook that we all go through when we are late teens/early twenties (the pushing boundaries, thinking that we are better/can make a difference) mixed with testosterone, which is definitely raging in the age group. How many of the DBs running around are not in the 16-22 year bracket? Not many.
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Doesn't matter if they were caught up in it because they were drunk or the circumstances got them in over their head.
If I ran a red light and killed someone there would be hell to pay. Drunk and beat my wife, there would be hell to pay. I would have to be held accountable. Self control of is a virtue we should expect one another to attain too. |
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