Avid Juicy 7 or Magura louise or?...

flattire · 07-03-2008, 08:06 PM

Oh wise board members pease help me choose...applcation is a freeride bike with a manitou travis, therefore a 8" front rotor with the "hayes style" mounting is required. As I understand the consensus is the juicys are noisy but very good, and marura louise owners seem quite happy. I'm currently running hayes 8" so either should be a huge upgrade. I am in search of modulation and improved power over the hayes. Cost is always an issue as my hayes work fine so dropping $400 on gustafs is not real justifiable in my mind.

J-Kwon · 07-03-2008, 08:09 PM

juicy 7 are amazing. they have very nice modulation, and ample amount of power. But the power is much weaker compared to Code, but weighing 176 w/o gear, i find it ample.
I haven't tried magura.
edit: people who first use Juicy find that they don't have any modulation, because it's sooo much stronger it feels grabby, but in reality, juicys have great modulation after break in, and adjustment.

it only makes noise when it is wet, in dry it is fine. And it's not even that loud.
You can get rid of the noise by using a different type of pad.

LeeLau · 07-03-2008, 08:45 PM

I've tried both. HAnds down the Louise is superior. Check the buy and sell board - e-dids has a set for sale

mr_fungle · 07-03-2008, 08:54 PM

I snagged some Saints for $96 per on www.chainlove.com a couple of weeks ago. Levers, calipers and rotors included - pre bled even. They replaced my '05 Louise's, only because they used expensive odd sized rotors and were a bit finicky to align with spacers etc. The new Louise's use 203 rotors which are much cheaper to replace.

Modulation seems pretty similar so far, Saints have a bit less power, but I hear the pads just take longer to break in...

flattire · 07-03-2008, 11:33 PM

Hmmm I do like german stuff. Maybe I'll give the maguras a try. thanks fellas.

pedalhound · 07-03-2008, 11:42 PM

I was using some Juicy 5's and swore by them...then my new bike came with some Magura Louise brakes and I was very skeptical...but my god I love these brakes....I don't think I would go back to Juicies.

TheGiggler · 07-04-2008, 04:08 PM

i wouldn't even look at the Juicy's.

to me they don't feel half as nice in terms of modulation and then there's all the problems people have with them making noise/shuderring that still seems around even on new brakes.

shirk · 07-04-2008, 05:00 PM

I am in love with my new Louises.

At first it took some time to get used to the lever shape, but thats not an issue anymore. Tons of modulation and power.

flattire · 07-04-2008, 11:12 PM

nice...and sure enough the guy selling his has sold and the other guy selling his set wont return my PM and his phone number wont work. Looks like I'll have to buck up and spend $400+ on a brakeset if i want them this season.

jbazett · 07-04-2008, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flattire

nice...and sure enough the guy selling his has sold and the other guy selling his set wont return my PM and his phone number wont work. Looks like I'll have to buck up and spend $400+ on a brakeset if i want them this season.

There's quite a few sets on pinkbike. I've chatted with a couple of guys who didn't f*ck around too much... Save you a couple bucks

flattire · 07-18-2008, 01:27 AM

Well I picked up a set of louise FR with 203mm rotors and hit up seymour, top to bottom. Holy shit, they are powerful indeed. With prolonged descending i used to get arm pump but not with the louise, no hand fatigue whatsoever. I do have a concern and that is lever ergonomics. If I set up the lever blade position where I like, the resting position of the lever is too far from the bar and is awkward to reach, and there is a fair bit of lever travel before engaging. The adjustments are maxed out and I guess thats how they are out the box? I hope I get used to it because I am stoked about the performance.

Chris_Mang · 07-18-2008, 02:22 AM

i used to have magura louise fr's
something inside me died when i finally let them go....

simon@nshore · 07-18-2008, 06:26 AM

i added a gustav front caliper to my louise setup and the power is silly... i also tried a set of juicys on another bike to see what the hype was about and although they seemed great on the first handfull of rides and are less trouble than my old louises to get dialed, they have noticeably less power.

regarding lever reach setup, the juicys are sweet in that the lever can be adjusted to have a very short throw and be very close to the bars whereas i also don't like the way out there levers of the louise... i'm going to buy some longer reach adjustment bolts to try and get them closer.

kperras · 07-18-2008, 08:09 AM

Just go with the 2008 XTs and you won't be sorry.

HIBuLlitT · 07-18-2008, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kperras

Just go with the 2008 XTs and you won't be sorry.

I hope they're better than the 05 and 07 XT's (I hated both sets). They just didn't
feel right to me. I preferred the Hayes nines to the 05's and I traded my new 07's
for a new set of Juicy 5's and love them (I got them to be quiet...for now).

07-03-2008, 08:06 PM	#1
flattire Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Port moody Posts: 533 Rep Power: 604469	Avid Juicy 7 or Magura louise or?... Oh wise board members pease help me choose...applcation is a freeride bike with a manitou travis, therefore a 8" front rotor with the "hayes style" mounting is required. As I understand the consensus is the juicys are noisy but very good, and marura louise owners seem quite happy. I'm currently running hayes 8" so either should be a huge upgrade. I am in search of modulation and improved power over the hayes. Cost is always an issue as my hayes work fine so dropping $400 on gustafs is not real justifiable in my mind.

07-03-2008, 08:09 PM	#2
J-Kwon bikeless Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Maple Ridge Posts: 4,919 Rep Power: 711605	juicy 7 are amazing. they have very nice modulation, and ample amount of power. But the power is much weaker compared to Code, but weighing 176 w/o gear, i find it ample. I haven't tried magura. edit: people who first use Juicy find that they don't have any modulation, because it's sooo much stronger it feels grabby, but in reality, juicys have great modulation after break in, and adjustment. it only makes noise when it is wet, in dry it is fine. And it's not even that loud. You can get rid of the noise by using a different type of pad. Last edited by J-Kwon; 07-03-2008 at 08:12 PM.

07-03-2008, 08:54 PM	#4
mr_fungle eurotrash in canucklestan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NVLOC Posts: 5,393 Rep Power: 4440342	I snagged some Saints for $96 per on www.chainlove.com a couple of weeks ago. Levers, calipers and rotors included - pre bled even. They replaced my '05 Louise's, only because they used expensive odd sized rotors and were a bit finicky to align with spacers etc. The new Louise's use 203 rotors which are much cheaper to replace. Modulation seems pretty similar so far, Saints have a bit less power, but I hear the pads just take longer to break in... __________________ When Alan Shepard was waiting for liftoff to become the first American in space, a reporter asked him what he was thinking about. He replied, "The fact that every part of this ship was built by the lowest bid."

07-03-2008, 11:42 PM	#6
pedalhound Artist formerly known as mudpuppy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Victoria Posts: 9,113 Rep Power: 2725281	I was using some Juicy 5's and swore by them...then my new bike came with some Magura Louise brakes and I was very skeptical...but my god I love these brakes....I don't think I would go back to Juicies. __________________ The Mountain Bike Life

07-04-2008, 05:00 PM	#8
shirk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: North Van Posts: 7,336 Rep Power: 5191786	I am in love with my new Louises. At first it took some time to get used to the lever shape, but thats not an issue anymore. Tons of modulation and power. __________________ www.roostoutfitters.com

07-03-2008, 08:45 PM	#3
LeeLau Trail Plug Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 6,681 Rep Power: 83179	I've tried both. HAnds down the Louise is superior. Check the buy and sell board - e-dids has a set for sale

07-03-2008, 11:33 PM	#5
flattire Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Port moody Posts: 533 Rep Power: 604469	Hmmm I do like german stuff. Maybe I'll give the maguras a try. thanks fellas.

07-04-2008, 04:08 PM	#7
TheGiggler Team Shuttlewhore Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: in the fog Posts: 5,250 Rep Power: 59034	i wouldn't even look at the Juicy's. to me they don't feel half as nice in terms of modulation and then there's all the problems people have with them making noise/shuderring that still seems around even on new brakes.

07-04-2008, 11:12 PM	#9
flattire Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Port moody Posts: 533 Rep Power: 604469	nice...and sure enough the guy selling his has sold and the other guy selling his set wont return my PM and his phone number wont work. Looks like I'll have to buck up and spend $400+ on a brakeset if i want them this season.

07-18-2008, 01:27 AM	#11
flattire Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Port moody Posts: 533 Rep Power: 604469	Well I picked up a set of louise FR with 203mm rotors and hit up seymour, top to bottom. Holy shit, they are powerful indeed. With prolonged descending i used to get arm pump but not with the louise, no hand fatigue whatsoever. I do have a concern and that is lever ergonomics. If I set up the lever blade position where I like, the resting position of the lever is too far from the bar and is awkward to reach, and there is a fair bit of lever travel before engaging. The adjustments are maxed out and I guess thats how they are out the box? I hope I get used to it because I am stoked about the performance.

07-18-2008, 02:22 AM	#12
Chris_Mang John Brudin comin' at you Join Date: May 2008 Location: Abby Posts: 27 Rep Power: 0	i used to have magura louise fr's something inside me died when i finally let them go....

07-18-2008, 06:26 AM	#13
simon@nshore Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 497 Rep Power: 6936	i added a gustav front caliper to my louise setup and the power is silly... i also tried a set of juicys on another bike to see what the hype was about and although they seemed great on the first handfull of rides and are less trouble than my old louises to get dialed, they have noticeably less power. regarding lever reach setup, the juicys are sweet in that the lever can be adjusted to have a very short throw and be very close to the bars whereas i also don't like the way out there levers of the louise... i'm going to buy some longer reach adjustment bolts to try and get them closer.

07-18-2008, 08:09 AM	#14
kperras I stole Rewoga's avatar Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NV > Sooke. Posts: 7,044 Rep Power: 3012341	Just go with the 2008 XTs and you won't be sorry.

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