The illogical argument of the US

[fergs]

You may have seen this, it's floating around the 'net.

WARMONGER EXPLAINS WAR TO PEACENIK
Author Unknown

PN: Why did you say we are we invading Iraq?

WM: We are invading Iraq because it is in violation of
security council resolution 1441. A country cannot be
allowed to violate security council resolutions.

PN: But I thought many of our allies, including Israel, were
in violation of more security council resolutions than Iraq.

WM: It's not just about UN resolutions. The main point is
that Iraq could have weapons of mass destruction, and the
first sign of a smoking gun could well be a mushroom cloud
over NY.

PN: Mushroom cloud? But I thought the weapons inspectors
said Iraq had no nuclear weapons.

WM: Yes, but biological and chemical weapons are the issue.

PN: But I thought Iraq did not have any long range missiles
for attacking us or our allies with such weapons.

WM: The risk is not Iraq directly attacking us, but rather
terrorists networks that Iraq could sell the weapons to.

PN: But couldn't virtually any country sell chemical or
biological materials? We sold quite a bit to Iraq in the
eighties ourselves, didn't we?

WM: That's ancient history. Look, Saddam Hussein is an evil
man that has an undeniable track record of repressing his
own people since the early eighties. He gasses his enemies.
Everyone agrees that he is a power-hungry lunatic murderer.

PN: We sold chemical and biological materials to a
power-hungry lunatic murderer?

WM: The issue is not what we sold, but rather what Saddam
did. He is the one that launched a pre-emptive first strike
on Kuwait.

PN: A pre-emptive first strike does sound bad. But didn't
our ambassador to Iraq, Gillespie, know about and
green-light the invasion of Kuwait?

WM: Let's deal with the present, shall we? As of today, Iraq
could sell its biological and chemical weapons to Al Qaida.
Osama BinLaden himself released an audio tape calling on
Iraqis to suicide attack us, proving a partnership between
the two.

PN: Osama Bin Laden? Wasn't the point of invading
Afghanistan to kill him?

WM: Actually, it's not 100% certain that it's really Osama
Bin Laden on the tapes. But the lesson from the tape is the
same: there could easily be a partnership between Al Qaeda
and Saddam Hussein unless we act.

PN: Is this the same audio tape where Osama Bin Laden labels
Saddam a secular infidel?

WM: You're missing the point by just focusing on the tape.
Powell presented a strong case against Iraq.

PN: He did?

WM: Yes, he showed satellite pictures of an Al Qaeda poison
factory in Iraq.

PN: But didn't that turn out to be a harmless shack in the
part of Iraq controlled by the Kurdish opposition?

WM: And a British intelligence report...

PN: Didn't that turn out to be copied from an out-of-date
graduate student paper?

WM: And reports of mobile weapons labs...

PN: Weren't those just artistic renderings?

WM: And reports of Iraqis scuttling and hiding evidence from
inspectors...

PN: Wasn't that evidence contradicted by the chief weapons
inspector, Hans Blix?

WM: Yes, but there is plenty of other hard evidence that
cannot be revealed because it would compromise our security.

PN: So there is no publicly available evidence of weapons of
mass destruction in Iraq?

WM: The inspectors are not detectives, it's not their JOB to
find evidence. You're missing the point.

PN: So what is the point?

WM: The main point is that we are invading Iraq because
resolution 1441 threatened "severe consequences." If we do
not act, the security council will become an irrelevant
debating society.

PN: So the main point is to uphold the rulings of the
security council?

WM: Absolutely. ...unless it rules against us.

PN: And what if it does rule against us?

WM: In that case, we must lead a coalition of the willing to
invade Iraq.

PN: Coalition of the willing? Who's that?

WM: Britain, Turkey, Bulgaria, Spain, and Italy, for
starters.

PN: I thought Turkey refused to help us unless we gave them
tens of billions of dollars

WM: Nevertheless, they may now be willing.

PN: I thought public opinion in all those countries was
against war.

WM: Current public opinion is irrelevant. The majority
expresses its will by electing leaders to make decisions.

PN: So it's the decisions of leaders elected by the majority
that is important?

WM: Yes.

PN: But George B-

WM: I mean, we must support the decisions of our leaders,
however they were elected, because they are acting in our
best interest. This is about being a patriot. That's the
bottom line.

PN: So if we do not support the decisions of the president,
we are not patriotic?

WM: I never said that.

PN: So what are you saying? Why are we invading Iraq?

WM: As I said, because there is a chance that they have
weapons of mass destruction that threaten us and our allies.

PN: But the inspectors have not been able to find any such
weapons.

WM: Iraq is obviously hiding them.

PN: You know this? How?

WM: Because we know they had the weapons ten years ago, and
they are still unaccounted for.

PN: The weapons we sold them, you mean?

WM: Precisely.

PN: But I thought those biological and chemical weapons
would degrade to an unusable state over ten years.

WM: But there is a chance that some have not degraded.

PN: So as long as there is even a small chance that such
weapons exist, we must invade?

WM: Exactly.

PN: But North Korea actually has large amounts of usable
chemical, biological, AND nuclear weapons, AND long range
missiles that can reach the west coast AND it has expelled
nuclear weapons inspectors, AND threatened to turn America
into a sea of fire.

WM: That's a diplomatic issue.

PN: So why are we invading Iraq instead of using diplomacy?

WM: Aren't you listening? We are invading Iraq because we
cannot allow the inspections to drag on indefinitely. Iraq
has been delaying, deceiving, and denying for over ten
years, and inspections cost us tens of millions.

PN: But I thought war would cost us tens of billions.

WM: Yes, but this is not about money. This is about
security.

PN: But wouldn't a pre-emptive war against Iraq ignite
radical Muslim sentiments against us, and decrease our
security?

WM: Possibly, but we must not allow the terrorists to change
the way we live. Once we do that, the terrorists have
already won.

PN: So what is the purpose of the Department of Homeland
Security, color-coded terror alerts, and the Patriot Act?
Don't these change the way we live?

WM: I thought you had questions about Iraq.

PN: I do. Why are we invading Iraq?

WM: For the last time, we are invading Iraq because the
world has called on Saddam Hussein to disarm, and he has
failed to do so. He must now face the consequences.

PN: So, likewise, if the world called on us to do something,
such as find a peaceful solution, we would have an
obligation to listen?

WM: By "world", I meant the United Nations.

PN: So, we have an obligation to listen to the United
Nations?

WM: By "United Nations" I meant the Security Council.

PN: So, we have an obligation to listen to the Security
Council?

WM: I meant the majority of the Security Council.

PN: So, we have an obligation to listen to the majority of
the Security Council?

WM: Well... there could be an unreasonable veto.

PN: In which case?

WM: In which case, we have an obligation to ignore the veto.

PN: And if the majority of the Security Council does not
support us at all?

WM: Then we have an obligation to ignore the Security
Council.

PN: That makes no sense:

WM: If you love Iraq so much, you should move there. Or
maybe France, with the all the other cheese-eating surrender
monkeys. It's time to boycott their wine and cheese, no
doubt about that.

PN: I give up.

[seand]

heh, no point in getting upset about this war...we cant stop it...

lets all just buy sherman tanks, and get ready for the worst...

i for one cant wait to be told that all my freedoms as a us citizen are now gone until further notice....

the current state of stupid that governs the "freeist country in the world" amazes me. absolutely amazes me.

where will it stop? its like a bad game of dodgeball when everyone turns against you and throws their kickballs at your head....im just hoping whatever attacks are made against the us are kept away from me, my family, friends, and esp my fiance....

[blunt boy]

Thats great FERGS! Seand, I'd rather buy SHERMAN forks. The 6" ones!!!

[seand]

hah, well then put sherman forks on a tank...

itll be that much smoother of a downhill ride

-sean

[gearwh0re]

OMG

[LTD]

That's not totally idiotic. Bee-ullll-wip

[How]

wow, that's not scripted fact is, it's time to own Saddam, so buck up kiddies, we're going to war.

[Jee Force]

Originally posted by How
wow, that's not scripted fact is, it's time to own Saddam, so buck up kiddies, we're going to war.

You must be American.

[seand]

jesus christ...

im so sick of comments like that one....

oh look war happy..must be american...

ever dawn on you that some of us are just as against this whole shebang as you?

yeah, the closed minded, abscently warhappy decisions are safely assumed to be primarily american...but give me a break already...

[gimped]

Whether it's scripted or not, it's the same redderick that the pro-war/Bush movement has been saying all along. It's fear mongering at it's worst.

We can argue with people who are for the war as much as we want, the fact is, their minds will not change no matter what.

[seand]

gimped -

you are right..and its scary...

the people that are pro-war scare me. the lengths they will go to prove that the us is the bigger/badder bully....i hate it...

i dont want to prove that to anyone..i just want to live as free as possible with the least amount of confrontations....

it seems that this is unfeasible anymore....such a shame....

constitu...what?

[$500 Biker]

Originally posted by seand
jesus christ...

im so sick of comments like that one....

oh look war happy..must be american...

ever dawn on you that some of us are just as against this whole shebang as you?

yeah, the closed minded, abscently warhappy decisions are safely assumed to be primarily american...but give me a break already...

exactly my thoughts. canadians seem to think america is filled with 280 million george bushes.

...hey are you the one that didnt like my miata?

[seand]

hah...yeah thats me

no offense...just not my kinda vroom vroom toy

[fergs]

Originally posted by How
wow, that's not scripted fact is, it's time to own Saddam, so buck up kiddies, we're going to war.

I don't understand what you mean by "scripted". If you mean that the conversation doesn't read like a real conversation would, then you're correct. It's not supposed to be real, it's a fictional dialogue between two schools of thought and it's intention is to show how the basis for US' attack on Iraq is completley unfounded.

hey seand, I respect the fact that many American's are opposed to the war so I always refer to the "American Government" rather than "the American's" when ranting.

[seand]

fergs - appreciated

it would be like saying all canadians are just like the french canadians

well not the same, but to some, just as offensive....