1x11 - Page 2

Buster Bluth · 05-25-2012, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by shirk

Want internal gear hub. Screw the rest of this noise.

Here here.
Standing-O.

biggles604 · 05-25-2012, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j4ka

I predict Shimano or SRAM, or both, will release the 1x12 standard in 2013. and the 1x13 in 2014. Then someone will get a brainwave for how to mitigate the problems with chain line, clearances, bearings and tension.

maybe there is a way to put a CVT box on a bike? Maybe the guys with scooters on this very forum have some ideas.

Paragraph one: See my previous Onion post that I linked.
Paragraph two:

YouTube Video

Quote:

Originally Posted by big-ted

As I understand it the cassette IS wider, but it is shaped around the spokes, hence no change to flange and/or dropout spacing. As I see it, the biggest problem is the crazy range of chainlines you get between the two end ratios.

I think that tyre interference would become a problem too. Maybe we should increase the Q-factor and start riding horses for training!

Oldfart · 05-25-2012, 08:19 PM

http://m.bikeradar.com/mtb/news/arti...s-to-11-34098/

Read it, see it, like it???

Internal gears will always suffer from internal gear friction. That's one reason why the racing folks won't use it. I like the concept but I do wonder about the chain line and what affect that might have on wear noise etc. I don't have front shifting problems now though and with the Shadow plus I never drop chains or get chain suck so what would be the point?

Kram · 05-25-2012, 08:34 PM

I'm in. I've been waiting and wishing for this since seeing the 9T small cog prototype on Sam Hill and Brendan's DH bikes a while back.

I was 1x9 and it wasn't enough as I'd spin out way to quickly with a 32T and couldn't push it uphill with a 33 or 34T. Went 1x10 with a 33 front and it's better, but still not quite perfect. It's pretty good, but I would like a little more at both ends. I think I'd be happy with a 10-38T cassette rather than a 42T. I see this as a front derailleur killer for a lot of people.

incendiary · 05-25-2012, 08:45 PM

I duno about 1X11 - at least it's only marketed to a specific group. What I am interested in is the chain retention design of the front ring. Widder teeth to fit the widder gaps. It'll be a pain to put the chain on but i'd love to see how well it functions on rough terrain. They could be onto something there

simon@nshore · 05-25-2012, 10:32 PM

personally, i think this is sweet and makes a lot of sense.

IMO 10 spd shifts and rides just as good or better than 9 spd. based on that, i'm open minded on 11 speed.

420% gear range and 13% gear increments = bang on.

the only thing better than this is would be a light weight gearbox/CVT integrated thru a mega large BB shell/pivot, belt drive, no derailleurs, wide rear spoke flanges. but that's just me dreamin and now that i think about it, space might be a problem.

nouseforaname · 05-26-2012, 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kperras

Can't wait to try! Looks like big improvements over my current 1x10 setup.

Can't tell if [/sarc] or not.

inshane · 05-26-2012, 01:47 AM

I think they should just spend the money and invent a super good quality internal geared hub...
If they actually focused on it they could do it...

Dirk · 05-26-2012, 02:01 AM

Two points.

1 - I run an Alfine 11 on my commuter. At no point have I ever thought "man, this internal friction is really slowing me down". But I have thought "there's a bunch of weird shit that happens when you shift at certain points." Cruising in to a stoplight and shifting without pedaling is nice. But you can shift a derailleur far more aggressively.

2 - I've run a 1x9 for the past...well...whenever 9 speed comes out. I have a 10 speed drivetrain sitting in a box for the last year that I haven't gotten around to putting on. In all honesty, I can ride that up 98% of the hills that I ride. And generally if I'm riding something that would cause me to spin this out, it's downhill on a paved road and I can put up with coasting.

I actually checked to see if it was an April Fool's prank when I read that article. I thought that maybe my internal clock had gotten a bit screwed up.

05-25-2012, 08:19 PM	#18
Oldfart Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Whistler Posts: 4,352 Rep Power: 2825325	http://m.bikeradar.com/mtb/news/arti...s-to-11-34098/ Read it, see it, like it??? Internal gears will always suffer from internal gear friction. That's one reason why the racing folks won't use it. I like the concept but I do wonder about the chain line and what affect that might have on wear noise etc. I don't have front shifting problems now though and with the Shadow plus I never drop chains or get chain suck so what would be the point? __________________ Debate? Bikes are made for riding not pushing.

05-26-2012, 01:47 AM	#23
inshane nsmb legend Join Date: Nov 1986 Location: coquitlam Posts: 2,889 Rep Power: 137598	I think they should just spend the money and invent a super good quality internal geared hub... If they actually focused on it they could do it... __________________ superheros north shore bike shop

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05-25-2012, 08:34 PM	#19
Kram Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Squamish Posts: 500 Rep Power: 1574810	I'm in. I've been waiting and wishing for this since seeing the 9T small cog prototype on Sam Hill and Brendan's DH bikes a while back. I was 1x9 and it wasn't enough as I'd spin out way to quickly with a 32T and couldn't push it uphill with a 33 or 34T. Went 1x10 with a 33 front and it's better, but still not quite perfect. It's pretty good, but I would like a little more at both ends. I think I'd be happy with a 10-38T cassette rather than a 42T. I see this as a front derailleur killer for a lot of people.

05-25-2012, 08:45 PM	#20
incendiary Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: North VAN Posts: 158 Rep Power: 2792823	I duno about 1X11 - at least it's only marketed to a specific group. What I am interested in is the chain retention design of the front ring. Widder teeth to fit the widder gaps. It'll be a pain to put the chain on but i'd love to see how well it functions on rough terrain. They could be onto something there

05-25-2012, 10:32 PM	#21
simon@nshore Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 497 Rep Power: 6936	personally, i think this is sweet and makes a lot of sense. IMO 10 spd shifts and rides just as good or better than 9 spd. based on that, i'm open minded on 11 speed. 420% gear range and 13% gear increments = bang on. the only thing better than this is would be a light weight gearbox/CVT integrated thru a mega large BB shell/pivot, belt drive, no derailleurs, wide rear spoke flanges. but that's just me dreamin and now that i think about it, space might be a problem.

05-26-2012, 02:01 AM	#24
Dirk Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kits Posts: 258 Rep Power: 258318	Two points. 1 - I run an Alfine 11 on my commuter. At no point have I ever thought "man, this internal friction is really slowing me down". But I have thought "there's a bunch of weird shit that happens when you shift at certain points." Cruising in to a stoplight and shifting without pedaling is nice. But you can shift a derailleur far more aggressively. 2 - I've run a 1x9 for the past...well...whenever 9 speed comes out. I have a 10 speed drivetrain sitting in a box for the last year that I haven't gotten around to putting on. In all honesty, I can ride that up 98% of the hills that I ride. And generally if I'm riding something that would cause me to spin this out, it's downhill on a paved road and I can put up with coasting. I actually checked to see if it was an April Fool's prank when I read that article. I thought that maybe my internal clock had gotten a bit screwed up.