Pro gun control

[HIBuLlitT]

Originally Posted by tFly

3. No semi autos for what reason exactly? I bet I can run the bolt on my rifle (6 rounds)/put 7 rounds of 00 buck on target with my shotgun quicker and more accurately than you could with a semi auto.

6. Don't ban firearms based on an arbitrary set of criteria, or because they're black and scary looking.

3- 12ga w/ taped magazines stuck in each pocket 00 shot, and someone who can shoot would
have done far more damage than that idiot in the movie theater.

6- Maybe they should paint them prettier colors and the bad people wouldn't use them because
they would emasculate them. But, then they go to point #3 and kill more people.

Anyone who think fully auto is a good way to kill has never fire a fully auto at targets @ 50+yrds.
You might get the first 3 rounds on the sheet, but the rest are shooting
birds.

You're either against them or for them, and nothing is going to change someones mind
one way or the other. So, what happens is the anti-people go for the no gun approach
so often that when someone with reason comes up and says we need some basic rules, the
pro group knee jerk reacts.

In other words, we should ALL work under the assumption guns are here to stay and figure
out how to reduce the crazies from getting weapons. But, if you really want to save lives
lets figure out how to make people eat well and stop smoking that'd prevent 900,000 deaths
in the US alone and probably 90,000 in Canada. Those two are far more dangerous.

Originally Posted by DaveM

so instead of the pro/anti gun battle

what's the answer?

surely it can't be that we should accept that you just might get shot in the head while at church or going to a movie?

AW eluded to the real issue. Most people in North America have nothing to worry about, that's why
when someone does go killing in "good" areas it makes the news. People in bad areas get killed all
the time...why?

[tacklebox]

Originally Posted by DaveM

so instead of the pro/anti gun battle

what's the answer?

surely it can't be that we should accept that you just might get shot in the head while at church or going to a movie?

The answer is that people kill people....for a multitude of reasons and with what ever tool they have available to them.....and no law will ever stop us from killing....its part of what we are.

[tacklebox]

Originally Posted by Hard Tack

Banning or controlling any type of guns will not stop humans form killing other humans.

Where there is a will,there is a way.

which reminds me. We should ban wills and ways.....and possibly Will's Way too.

[tacklebox]

Originally Posted by HIBuLlitT

But, if you really want to save lives
lets figure out how to make people eat well and stop smoking that'd prevent 900,000 deaths
in the US alone and probably 90,000 in Canada. Those two are far more dangerous.

Do you really think we should be preserving those morans?

[switch]

Originally Posted by Hard Tack

The answer is that people kill people....for a multitude of reasons and with what ever tool they have available to them...

True, but making it easier for killers to kill doesn't help the situation.

[switch]

Originally Posted by Adam West

none of which are available to the poor and under privileged who end up shooting people.. thats why the whole education system needs work. state funded university is just a part I think would be more helpful than banning guns.

First they have to get through state funded high school, which often doesn't occur.

You can't legislate work ethics or ban laziness.

[enduramil]

Originally Posted by KenN

I'm just anti stupid.


Kn.

What is interesting to me in all this BS Grinding on this. Is the reaction of the black community to the shooting at last months street party Scarborough. Not alot of yapping about gun control and how more is needed. The community is asking for ways to divert youth from choosing the path that leads to gang shootings. Gee.. sounds like something Adam West would approve of.

[Fast Orange]

I don't invest too much energy on the topic but every time I see guns that are clearly not designed for hunting animals but for killing people, I throw up in my mouth a little.

[sAFETY]

Would the pro-assault rifle camp let me know where the proper limit is?

We can all agree that these guns are meant for killing humans and nothing else (other than practicing the skills that will let you kill someone with said weapon), but what level of killing must the device be engineered for before it shouldn't be offered at my local Wall Mart?

Are Combat shotguns OK? High powered sniper rifles? Bazookas? Grenades? Anti-tank/Anti-aircraft Missiles? Bombs? Land Mines?

Is my personal liberty being stepped on if you're not allowed to own tanks or fully loaded fighter jets?

[2CH]

Originally Posted by Farmer

Fuck that. Having just graduated with a 4 year degree (in 4 years, unlike many), you can easily tell the difference between those who are paying for their own school, and those who have it paid for by mommy and daddy. The latter is not what we need more of, and in my experience, they make up the higher portion of those who drop out.

There are plenty of scholarship opportunities out there if you are willing to work for them. Don't think so? Choose to go into a degree that NEEDS graduates, and industry will be there to help you if you take the time to work hard for your grades, look for scholarships and figure out how to write a half decent letter / essay.

Yeah, but there's a big difference between the rich kids who drop out and the poor kids who don't even have a chance to get the education they deserve in the first place. The rich kids will be fine – society and/or daddy will take care of them, but the poor and underprivileged kids in some cases will have nowhere to turn and end up on the streets or joining gangs if they can't get the education and employment they need to contribute to society. Try telling someone who doesn't know where their next meal might come from that all they have to do is research which programs need grads and are offering scholarships... without the proper resources and guidance they really don't have much hope.

[playahata]

Originally Posted by 2bit

I own the big brother of the mini-14, the M14. It is not a weapon any more then a stick or baseball bat is.

[Adam West]

Originally Posted by switch

First they have to get through state funded high school, which often doesn't occur.

You can't legislate work ethics or ban laziness.

Which is part of the whole reason to overhaul and improve education. It just seems as though most kids who are into gangs and shit either never really did well in school and never really had an equal chance in the first place cause they are piss poor. Usually a mix of both. Also I agree with hard tack that people are gunna kill each other sometimes, but I also think a lot of it could be prevented.

[Duncan]

Originally Posted by Adam West

none of which are available to the poor and under privileged who end up shooting people.. thats why the whole education system needs work. state funded university is just a part I think would be more helpful than banning guns.

Look at Switzerland:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...in_Switzerland

Guns can co-exist with people in an enlightened, responsible society. A "well-regulated militia" would work. Unfortunately, in a society with large numbers of dumb, ignorant ass-clowns, who insist their "rights" trumps any of their responsibilities, not so much.

[HIBuLlitT]

Originally Posted by sAFETY

Would the pro-assault rifle camp let me know where the proper limit is?

We can all agree that these guns are meant for killing humans and nothing else (other than practicing the skills that will let you kill someone with said weapon), but what level of killing must the device be engineered for before it shouldn't be offered at my local Wall Mart?

Are Combat shotguns OK? High powered sniper rifles? Bazookas? Grenades? Anti-tank/Anti-aircraft Missiles? Bombs? Land Mines?

Is my personal liberty being stepped on if you're not allowed to own tanks or fully loaded fighter jets?

Lemmy has a tank as go many people, as well as older fighter jets and such. What makes an assault rifle an "assault" rifle. Is it looks, semi-auto, or fully auto? When
you say a high powered sniper rifle are you talking a 50 cal or just one that can shoot
very far? I ask in all seriousness, because people throw these monickers around without
really knowing what they mean and assume that a M16 and such are high powered and accurate.
A shotgun can have both barrel and butt sawed off to make it more maneuverable but the
killing power is the same as the one grandpa used to kill crows eating his crops. Is it
the black color that throws it over the edge? Killing power from a rifle long range can
be had by most rifles used to hunt big game at long distances, like maybe an Elk on another
side of the valley.

People use these "assault" weapons because they're fairly cheap and they "look" like killers.
Guns with tattoos if you will. NOT because they can kill more.

Originally Posted by Adam West

Which is part of the whole reason to overhaul and improve education. It just seems as though most kids who are into gangs and shit either never really did well in school and never really had an equal chance in the first place cause they are piss poor. Usually a mix of both. Also I agree with hard tack that people are gunna kill each other sometimes, but I also think a lot of it could be prevented.

Kids go into gangs to be able to walk around their hood without worries, they go into
gangs because it's more money than working at the golden arches, they go into gangs because
our governments have given them the funding needed to continue through their idiotic
and religious/political "values" making drugs illegal. Get rid of their power and you
diminish the gangs power and status. That happens and give them more opportunity in school
to further their educations and things will change.

Originally Posted by Hard Tack

Do you really think we should be preserving those morans?

Unfortunately there are some very ignorant people in the world and education is key. Common
sense is never very common.

[resnick]

In response to

This is possibly the stupidest thing I've read all year.

1.Gun control doesn't work so let's institute some form of gun control. Nice logic.

I having grown up going to gun shows, working in my families side business of dealing in antique hunting rifles see no comparison to Assault weapons and hunting rifles. So yes control one but not the other.

2.One already cannot buy an "assault weapon" in Canada, nor can you easily convert a non "assault weapon" into an "assault weapon"

Get a restricted gun license, then you can buy assault weapon. and it's a simple process to convert to convert a trigger. Go to a gun show in the states they will sell you the parts and show you how.

3. No semi autos for what reason exactly? I bet I can run the bolt on my rifle (6 rounds)/put 7 rounds of 00 buck on target with my shotgun quicker and more accurately than you could with a semi auto.

thats great I'm sure you are the coolest guy at the gun range. so you are say semi auto's are pointless too. great we agree.

4. Rampage with a hunting rifle? Ever heard of Charles Whitman? What about the DC snipers? What about that guy that killed all those Mounties in Alberta (I think) as they approached his property? A hunting tool is no more or less dangerous than any other type of firearm one can legally purchase in Canada.

I didn't say hunting rifles weren't dangerous. but what I will say is that you can't spray fire a rifle into a large group. but I guess you and your super bolt action can ... you douche nozzle.

5. All guns were designed to kill people. But just like knives, we have found other uses for them.

I disagree. this is a usual argument for people who how want to be cool and own scary black guns that are designed to kill people not hunt food.

6. Don't ban firearms based on an arbitrary set of criteria, or because they're black and scary looking.
see above.

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For anyone who thought my comments were uneducated, whether you like it or not I grew up with a minimum of 1000 rifles in my childhood home. I have handled and shot more guns than most of you have seen.

I have traveled and sold guns in both the US and Canada.

Gun people seem to fall into 2 groups,

one group is comprised of hunters who like to have guns to go get food and enjoy the sport. they tend to buy rifles appropriate for various types of hunting, and sometimes own a hand gun for fun but rarely shoot it.

the other group are people who claim to be hunters but are preoccupied with "protecting" themselves from an unknown threat whether its governments or the guy next door. They seem to need the Black scary guns(see above). These people inadvertently shelter the crazies that get ahold of these weapons.