150mm fork options

[nick]

I've had issues with the talas (and the fork it self). I use it a lot tho. Low position for climbing (and sometimes trail riding) and the full for DH. Since I got them serviced by suspensionwerx they feel really good. Now, get it done once a year and since then perfect. I don't know what he does but it's worth the money.

[Bryce]

A 34mm Rev with 20mm axle would be sweet

[awesterner]

Originally Posted by nick

160 Lyrik and 160 Fox 36 have the same ac @545mm
150 Fox 32 ac @520mm
for more info check here for the ultimate geek

FWIW I have measured my 2012 36 at 545mm AtoC (centre of axle to crown) with a 10mm spacer. Maybe it's just my fork;-)

[nick]

Originally Posted by awesterner

FWIW I have measured my 2012 36 at 545mm AtoC (centre of axle to crown) with a 10mm spacer. Maybe it's just my fork;-)

I'm not sure what you mean by 10mm spacer. How did you measure it? It's not easy to get a true accurate measurement as the 545 is an imaginary line and not an actual distance (same as effective top tube length type thing)

[delusional]

Originally Posted by NV73

^^^^^I'll second that.

I've ridden the Pike, Lyrik and now the Revelation RLT Ti 20mm all on a 5" trail bike. I've been using it since May on average twice per week and when set up correctly it's been a superb fork that I've had zero issues with to date. (knock on wood)

Thirded. I'm running a 150mm Rev RLT Ti on my Pitch and once I got it well setup it's been fantastic. Looks really skinny on the bike, but it doesn't feel it on the trail. Definitely a solid performer for the weight, and I'd think a good match for the stumpy.

[bogey]

Originally Posted by nick

I'm not sure what you mean by 10mm spacer. How did you measure it? It's not easy to get a true accurate measurement as the 545 is an imaginary line and not an actual distance (same as effective top tube length type thing)

It also depends on how much air pressure you're running. I'm a heavy dude so I use higher air pressure and my A-C is always higher than the listed distance.

[bogey]

Originally Posted by shirk

You need to specify which model of Lyric that is. Coil? U-Turn? Solo Air? Dual Position?

Any Solo Air RS fork can be lowered with a simple spacer. I chopped up a piece of PEX plumbing pipe to lower my Solo Air Totem.

Wrong. The 2012 Solo air CANNOT be lowered with a spacer or chunk of tube. Look into it, you need to get a new part from RS.

[mark@nsmb.com]

Lots of good advice. I do value lightness - this isn't a bike I'm ever taking to a bike park or bombing down the steepest gnar on the shore. Positive feedback on the 150mm Revelation (in RLT Ti 20mm if I can find one) is encouraging. I hate the Talas forks (crap small bump sensitivity in my experience - sorry Talas lovers) and find I never use travel adjust really anyways. I have a 140mm Pike U-Turn on my HT and I don't think I've adjusted the travel in years.

If I can't find a 20mm Revelation, sounds like a Fox Float 34 wouldn't be bad either, with the clarklewis "drop it to 150 at first service" idea.

Both the Rev and Float 34 have closer AC to what's on there now, too, which is good. I could use a degree slacker, but I don't want to go more than that.

Had a blast riding Luge, whatever-is-after-luge, Wasp, Lorax, Smokin' Bobo on Bear tonight. My god the stumpy is a great bike on those trails! Honestly the most fun I've had on a MTB in a long time. Not finding the 140mm of Triad II on the rear to be limiting at all, but that Fox 140RL continues to be "meh". I mean, it's not *terrible*, but certainly not great. I have to run the PSi a little higher than my weight rating suggests to prevent lots of bottom out, but small bump performance is just crap. I wouldn't go so far as to call it noodley, but lots of deflection in the higher speed, rougher bits. At this point it's by far the weakest link on the bike. Sounds like it was that way on the Sight too (a bike I liked at lot and nearly purchased instead of the stumpy).

[Mic]

Originally Posted by shirk

Why hasn't some German magazine given us really empirical data on fork stiffness.

It would be nice to see some actual numbers comparing the stiffness of all the forks.

Send a short email with your request and I could imagine that the folks at the German bike magazine would be more than happy?!

[morgman]

Originally Posted by mark@nsmb.com

Fox 140RL continues to be "meh". I mean, it's not *terrible*, but certainly not great. I have to run the PSi a little higher than my weight rating suggests to prevent lots of bottom out, but small bump performance is just crap. I wouldn't go so far as to call it noodley, but lots of deflection in the higher speed, rougher bits. At this point it's by far the weakest link on the bike.

The long travel 32s are definitely undergunned for the bikes they are spec'd on, but the RL cartridge doesn't provide nearly as much mid-stroke support as the RLC. If you aren't finding the fork to be too noodley (can't tell whether you're saying it is or it isn't), you might want to consider the RLC cartridge and a service at SW before buying an entire fork.

[awesterner]

Originally Posted by nick

I'm not sure what you mean by 10mm spacer. How did you measure it? It's not easy to get a true accurate measurement as the 545 is an imaginary line and not an actual distance (same as effective top tube length type thing)

Centre of the axle to the seating surface on the crown. Just with a tape, but did my best to keep it straight. Even if my eye is bad it is clearly a longer fork than my Marz 55 when both are at 160mm, but maybe the rake is different... Even if I'm off a bit it looks to be longer than advertised with a travel reducing spacer. We have a big CMM machine at work, maybe on a quiet evening I'll get one of our inspection guys to see if they can get a measurement

(spacer is the 10mm travel limiting spacer installed on the air piston shaft)

Steve

[mark@nsmb.com]

Originally Posted by morgman

The long travel 32s are definitely undergunned for the bikes they are spec'd on, but the RL cartridge doesn't provide nearly as much mid-stroke support as the RLC. If you aren't finding the fork to be too noodley (can't tell whether you're saying it is or it isn't), you might want to consider the RLC cartridge and a service at SW before buying an entire fork.

My only other experience on 32s is an older Pike (with a 20mm thru-axle) on the HT. Otherwise I've mostly ridden Fox 36s (Van RC2, and Float). FWIW, I love the 160mm 36 Van RC2. The 140RL on the stumpy is a weird little number - it uses a 9mm QR, but has some sort of DT/Specialized oversized hub flange action going on that's supposed to provide similar stiffness as a 15mm. Overall, it's about as stiff as the 5+ year old Pike, I'd say. So not terrible. It's mostly the "quality" of the actual suspension that I'm not so impressed with. And I wouldn't mind a extra degree of slackness on the bike as a whole for those opportunities arise where things get a little steep.

Still, I hadn't considered a cartridge swap by suspension werx. I may give that a shot, depending on cost, vs. pulling the trigger on a whole fork (and front wheel).

Thx!

[nick]

Originally Posted by awesterner

Centre of the axle to the seating surface on the crown. Just with a tape, but did my best to keep it straight. Even if my eye is bad it is clearly a longer fork than my Marz 55 when both are at 160mm, but maybe the rake is different... Even if I'm off a bit it looks to be longer than advertised with a travel reducing spacer. We have a big CMM machine at work, maybe on a quiet evening I'll get one of our inspection guys to see if they can get a measurement

(spacer is the 10mm travel limiting spacer installed on the air piston shaft)

Steve

Ha! I used to program CMM's. Where do you work? I used to work at Avcorp back in the Richmond days many moons ago. Fork could be out by a few mm, I think they have +/-5mm range on the spec sheet.

[awesterner]

Originally Posted by nick

Ha! I used to program CMM's. Where do you work? I used to work at Avcorp back in the Richmond days many moons ago. Fork could be out by a few mm, I think they have +/-5mm range on the spec sheet.

MTU;-)

Not sure how many years ago you were at Avcorp, but zee German MTU Aero Engines GmbH bought out the old Canadian Airlines engine overhaul facility 12 or more years ago. It's now MTU Maintenance Canada.

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by Lorien

I was riding a Sight earlier this season which came with a Fox. One ride was all I needed to make the decision to replace it with a 44rc3ti, and that was a huge improvement.

I love my 44rc3ti. Not sure what it weighs in at but I like it more than my lyrik and fox(both air forks)