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Old 07-12-2012, 04:41 PM   #31
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yes cuz i hate having to clean my pack out from gatorade or anything other then water..

having a bottlecage allows me to slip a gatorade (or similar) into the bike and have plain water on my back.

ps my 08 StumpyFSR has a dam near useless water bottle mount aswell, things so low on the down tube with a bottle in it, the shock position lever gets bumped into lockout mode on even the smallest bumps.. just another small "feature" on that bike that irks me.

i was always a huge fan of the big S, but this bike has so many small issues i'd be real leary of buying another new big S bike without a WAYYY more in detail exam/ride.
Yeah bottle mounts are awesome, I just wish more manufacturers/designers would include them on their bikes (Im looking at you Keith Scott...lol).
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Old 07-12-2012, 05:50 PM   #32
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Yeah bottle mounts are awesome, I just wish more manufacturers/designers would include them on their bikes (Im looking at you Keith Scott...lol).
yes! packs suck.
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Old 07-12-2012, 05:52 PM   #33
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I love my pack, but I would love to have the option to put some sort of electrolytes on my bike for longer rides. I am too paranoid to ride w/out a pack...hah.
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Old 07-12-2012, 06:02 PM   #34
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Pretty sure Satan holds the patent for the hydration pack
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Old 07-12-2012, 06:05 PM   #35
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yes cuz i hate having to clean my pack out from gatorade or anything other then water..

having a bottlecage allows me to slip a gatorade (or similar) into the bike and have plain water on my back.

ps my 08 StumpyFSR has a dam near useless water bottle mount aswell, things so low on the down tube with a bottle in it, the shock position lever gets bumped into lockout mode on even the smallest bumps.. just another small "feature" on that bike that irks me.

i was always a huge fan of the big S, but this bike has so many small issues i'd be real leary of buying another new big S bike without a WAYYY more in detail exam/ride.
Noted. I'm one of those waterbottle fans also. I almost never ride with a pack (side note: Thanks Darren from Endless Biking for having a pack full of rescue gear!) and love the simplicity of a water bottle mounted on the frame.

Was just wondering though, for the long travel big bike category if this was a necessity. It seems that a 160-180mm AM (not freeride DH) bike rider usually has a pack on them.
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Old 07-12-2012, 06:07 PM   #36
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yes! packs suck.
I also use a pack most of the time, but sometimes it's nice to go out for a quick ride with just a bottle and nothing on your back, and on full day epics it's nice to have a bottle for electrolyte replacement and just water in the pack, it's not a one or the other type of thing, really.
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Old 07-12-2012, 06:31 PM   #37
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You guys need to stop using shitty packs. Get one that actually allows air flow over your back, it makes a huge difference.

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Old 07-12-2012, 06:33 PM   #38
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You guys need to stop using shitty packs. Get one that actually allows air flow over your back, it makes a huge difference.
still don't like wearing a pack on every ride, regardless
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Old 07-12-2012, 06:57 PM   #39
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still don't like wearing a pack on every ride, regardless
This. I was starting to get bothered by the extra weight on my back and also realized that with most of my rides I was only using half of my water. So now I carry my pack on my back with only spare tube, multitool, pump, phone and knife. The water goes in a bottle on the cage. For longer rides I'll use my hydro pack too.

I must say though I'm interested in a more comfortable pack--maybe that will sway me back to not using a water bottle except on short rides.
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:02 PM   #40
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This. I was starting to get bothered by the extra weight on my back and also realized that with most of my rides I was only using half of my water. So now I carry my pack on my back with only spare tube, multitool, pump, phone and knife. The water goes in a bottle on the cage. For longer rides I'll use my hydro pack too.

I must say though I'm interested in a more comfortable pack--maybe that will sway me back to not using a water bottle except on short rides.
You could just not fill the bladder all the way?

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Old 07-12-2012, 07:17 PM   #41
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This. I was starting to get bothered by the extra weight on my back and also realized that with most of my rides I was only using half of my water.
Depending on how long the ride is, I usually put between 1L and 2L in my pack. Each litre is 2 pounds on your back, not to mention the football shape a full bladder can end up with. Your bottle is probably only 600-700mL, why not fill it up and dump that into the pack if you're concerned about overfilling?
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:37 PM   #42
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Noted. I'm one of those waterbottle fans also. I almost never ride with a pack (side note: Thanks Darren from Endless Biking for having a pack full of rescue gear!) and love the simplicity of a water bottle mounted on the frame.

Was just wondering though, for the long travel big bike category if this was a necessity. It seems that a 160-180mm AM (not freeride DH) bike rider usually has a pack on them.
I don't ride with a pack and I do some pretty big rides. I love the bottle cage on my Enduro. I do go a little freeride crazy on it though so this could be why. If a clear shot of me on Pro Star from Airprentice goes up you'll see my bottle cage .
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:30 PM   #43
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Stuart, any XL size in the new Enduro
I know you're a tall guy so do you have any geometry and sizing info? XL frames seem to be fading away except in 29ers and road bikes!
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I know you're a tall guy so do you have any geometry and sizing info? XL frames seem to be fading away except in 29ers and road bikes!
Specialized (and Yeti) are some of the few companies who I think we can continue to count on making proper XL-sized bikes. The current XL Enduro and XL SB66 are massive bikes.
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yes cuz i hate having to clean my pack out from gatorade or anything other then water..

having a bottlecage allows me to slip a gatorade (or similar) into the bike and have plain water on my back.

ps my 08 StumpyFSR has a dam near useless water bottle mount aswell, things so low on the down tube with a bottle in it, the shock position lever gets bumped into lockout mode on even the smallest bumps.. just another small "feature" on that bike that irks me.

i was always a huge fan of the big S, but this bike has so many small issues i'd be real leary of buying another new big S bike without a WAYYY more in detail exam/ride.
I'm on a '12 stumpy 29er but I can fit both large and small bottles in the cage. small are a bit better for not bumping the shock but with the brain, no lockout lever to bump...

As for Carbon, one thing that really impressed me was the included vinyl sheets to cover most of the exposed frame. Not just little circles, but a full sheet on the downtube, large pieces for the sides of the head tube, even the cranks.

I do think they have refined lots of the little things.
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