|05-03-2010, 10:41 PM||#1|
My name is Duncan
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Shimano Dyna Sys 10 speed
So i just got a brief on the new 10 speed group from Shimano, thought it was kind of cool. Well, actually kind of stupidly nerdy, but that's shimano for you.
There are not lots of new colours to match your, but there is a lot of crazy mind bending "why did they even think of that" going on.
Shifters and derailleurs looked the same as current XT Shadow, but are only compatible with the Dyna Sys shifters. You can mix and match SLX with XT (and XTR when it arrives apparently), and the front der doesn't change between 10 and 9 speed.
Chainrings are specific, but you could use a 9 speed crankset if you wanted. The chainrings are 42/32/24 to encourage you to be using the middle ring more. 32/36 versus having to drop to 22/26
Staying in the middle ring is apparently 31% more efficient (no i didn't just pull that out of my ass) than using a 22/26 combo. Less wear, less breakage, more better.
No 22t option, because that could put too much torque on the freehub apparently.
No 2 ring options yet, but coming soon, including some great ideas on chainline for double rings for racers versus double rings for All Mountain types.
Lot's of talk about how 2 ring drivetrains weren't the best option for regular folks, and that this 10 speed should be as durable as 9 speed in a 3 ring format.
Rear Der is SGS or GS - no Super Short, completely specific to 10 speed Shimano. Same Shadow lo pro design as before, but with a redesigned 'arm' holding the cable tension bolt.
The Cassette is initially only a 11-36, but 11-34 and 11-32 coming soon. The middle of the range is tightened up into 2 tooth jumps, to minimise the gaps that you get in 11-34 cassettes now. There are two chunks of cogs on alloy carriers to keep the weight low. Only one chunk of ally cogs on the SLX.
The chain is taking technology from the road - and those worried about mud holding properties will be glad to know that the inner dimension of the chain is the same as 9 speed. The chain is directional, meaning that one side is designed to deal with climbing up chainrings, and the other is designed for the easy job of climbing the cassette.
There's also some new stuff in the shifter to do with the force required to shift -keeping it positive like Shadow/SRAM but not too much effort. But by that point he was using graphs to show what he meant and i was losing interest.
Got a sneak peek at some pics of the new Shimano XTR brakes and they look teh hotness. Entirely new lever design , not radial anymore. Two brake options for XTR - one for racers and one for trail riders. Racers brake is lighter, Trail riders brake is more powerful by 20%.
Lots of stuff that the guy couldn't be drawn on, but given it's Shimano we're talking about it's pretty believable when he says that he doesn't know.
Looks all round like shimano is giving a lot attention to regular joes not just the XC pros.
p.s I'm hereby "calling" that a Shimano hammerschmidt style thing - if it ever appears - will use a 32 tooth ring.
p.p.s no compatibility with 10 speed road derailleurs or shifters. And no thumbshifters.
p.p.p.s I think the whole thing is damn sweet, but yes Dyna Sys is a weak name
Last edited by nouseforaname; 05-03-2010 at 10:45 PM.
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