View Full Version : Riding in Skiers Plaza....
bcbud
06-20-2007, 12:02 AM
...coming down to no tolerance, saw a WB dude waving a sign around saying walk you bikes and getting after the ones riding, also heard him say they are pulling passes after the 30th for all people riding between Longhorns and Fitz. Getting a little Nazi-ish about walking the bikes, but I can see when the Gondy opens its busier with the tourons who have no clue about the bike park. We need some bleachers setup at the bottom for the gawkers who are waiting for carnage.....the picknic table aren't cutting it....
Can't say I'm not guily, aren"t we all?
I'll try and remember next time.
SkunkworkS
06-20-2007, 12:47 AM
Apparently the PanPacific got sued by some tourist who was hit by a biker.
kevman
06-20-2007, 12:54 AM
Getting a little Nazi-ish about walking the bikes
The "walk your bike nazi's" as i like to call them.
I don't know what it is but I can't seem to walk through there.... habit I suppose? The walk from the lift to say Garbonzo Bike & Bean or Summit has got to be the hardest thing on the mountain. Seriously, it just seems so counter productive to be walking at a snails pace when I could be saving my energy pedaling at a snails pace. Then again maybe it's just me?
thom9719
06-20-2007, 01:11 AM
I got yelled at last time I was there. that is so stupid. seriously, you should be able to ride between summit-longhorn-fitz. I understand not wanting bikers rippign through the village, but in front of the lift is stupid.
Kyle,
SkunkworkS
06-20-2007, 01:31 AM
What about from outside guest relations to the lift line?
thom9719
06-20-2007, 01:47 AM
What about from outside guest relations to the lift line?
the old crotchety guy will yell at you and threaten to pull your pass.
Kyle,
bcbud
06-20-2007, 01:50 AM
pretty much from just outside Summit to the ticket building to the three stairs to Longhorn-Bike n Bean is a no bike riding zone now, its all fenced in too, I have never thought of this as the village though for some reason, just been riding there for soo long, its second nature.....
Cooper
06-20-2007, 08:52 AM
I hate the fence maze they set up before the three stairs into the lift line so much! Its so stupid going arojnd and through those when the space inside is just barely enough for your bike and theres atleast 10 people on both ends trying to get through.
FlipFantasia
06-20-2007, 08:58 AM
it's one thing if people are tearing around, but if someone is just mellow and coasting along, dude needs to get a grip......although, there's a movement afoot in the community to get some kind of bike lane through the village that people can do just that, not rippin' through, but if you're just coasting along, it shouldn't be a problem.....unfortunately like everything, the few assholes that go fast and buzz people ruin it for everyone
Sharon
06-20-2007, 08:58 AM
rats in a cage...
enduramil
06-20-2007, 09:17 AM
...coming down to no tolerance, saw a WB dude waving a sign around saying walk you bikes and getting after the ones riding, also heard him say they are pulling passes after the 30th for all people riding between Longhorns and Fitz. Getting a little Nazi-ish about walking the bikes, but I can see when the Gondy opens its busier with the tourons who have no clue about the bike park. We need some bleachers setup at the bottom for the gawkers who are waiting for carnage.....the picknic table aren't cutting it....
Doesn't the area in question actually fall under the Muni's jurisdiction?
Straw
06-20-2007, 09:51 AM
I used to ride from my house, past the Westin and driving range, through the gate, up the hill, through the skiers plaza, and into the lift line. It was never a problem before, and in the morning, there's barely anyone there.
I second bcbud's idea for some sort of bleacher set up. With umbrellas!
FlipFantasia
06-20-2007, 10:42 AM
yeah, in my 5 years of riding here I've never had a problem riding my bike through there, even on busy days.....I think they'd be better served to just deal with the reckless riders and leave those coasting alone.....
FlipFantasia
06-20-2007, 11:33 AM
interesting, fired an email to my friend at the muni.....apparently the land in question is crown land and not muni or private or WB.....the only thing he suggested was that it may be within the CRA (controlled recreation area) boundary of WB....although looking at my Whistler CRA boundary and an orthophoto, I'm not sure that it covers that entire area...........
SkunkworkS
06-20-2007, 12:01 PM
So the WB is really being a nazi?
Sharon
06-20-2007, 12:07 PM
interesting, fired an email to my friend at the muni.....apparently the land in question is crown land and not muni or private or WB.....the only thing he suggested was that it may be within the CRA (controlled recreation area) boundary of WB....although looking at my Whistler CRA boundary and an orthophoto, I'm not sure that it covers that entire area...........
when lee and i were selling some passes in front of the lifts they told us that we couldn't do it in front of Guest Services or the Blackcomb ticket booth, we had to walk a bit further away then it was ok.
They said they had control of this area.
We didn't want to argue so we have them their 5 feet...
DaveM
06-20-2007, 12:17 PM
Tell me we're not complaining about having to walk your bike 50 feet so tourists can feel confident their not going to be run over right?
When it's insanely busy on a summer weekend with tourists and bikers, and the yahoos are trying to manual through the crowds it's too late to try and set the ground rules. Implement a policy now and it'll carry through the season.
Aren't we due for a "slow riders on Aline" and an "assholes on Aline" thread too?
gooch
06-20-2007, 12:29 PM
But we are still allowed to bunny hop others peoples bikes right?
DaveM
06-20-2007, 12:57 PM
But we are still allowed to bunny hop others peoples bikes right?
That's the "pro line"
gooch
06-20-2007, 02:09 PM
That's the "pro line"
Tom has his own line?
HIBuLlitT
06-20-2007, 09:43 PM
Aren't we due for a "slow riders on Aline" and an "assholes on Aline" thread too?
done http://bb.nsmb.com/showthread.php?t=96730 2 hrs after it opened...lol
http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/1370758/
Was looking for a totally different pic on Pinkbike and came across this one of my friend Bexx, poetic timing! :D
L2R/R2L
06-21-2007, 12:36 AM
we were watchin the WB guy from the Longhorn... chasing guys around waving his sign like a G7 summit protestor. Thought he was going to swing it at a young guy who was sitting on his bike but just pushing along slowly with his feet. He also said a couple of times to riders that the RCMP were going to be patroling and would be confiscating bikes....ya like they can do that. I don't mind walking thru the village, but waving the sign around and threatening confiscation is ridiculous.
HIBuLlitT
06-21-2007, 02:23 AM
^brings up a good question. If you're sitting on your bike, but walking with
your feet are you really riding the bike? You're not pedaling it, so what's the
difference between that and a walker?
enduramil
06-21-2007, 10:24 AM
interesting, fired an email to my friend at the muni.....apparently the land in question is crown land and not muni or private or WB.....the only thing he suggested was that it may be within the CRA (controlled recreation area) boundary of WB....although looking at my Whistler CRA boundary and an orthophoto, I'm not sure that it covers that entire area...........
So technically the RIQ is power mad.
FlipFantasia
06-21-2007, 10:32 AM
a couple seasons back a friend was riding through skiers plaza late on a weekend night.....he got surrounded by 6 rcmp officers and they fined him and impounded his bike.....no one was around.....when he went to pick it up the bylaw said that actually the plaza was not included in the bylaw about riding int he village and they had no right to take his bike away.....so I'm suprised that dude would be threatening that.......
enduramil
06-21-2007, 10:46 AM
a couple seasons back a friend was riding through skiers plaza late on a weekend night.....he got surrounded by 6 rcmp officers and they fined him and impounded his bike.....no one was around.....when he went to pick it up the bylaw said that actually the plaza was not included in the bylaw about riding int he village and they had no right to take his bike away.....so I'm suprised that dude would be threatening that.......
It would appear then that someone has become a wee bit power mad. Kind of like the guy who when given a radio becomes a dictator.
This whole issue really pisses me off. I had that guy yell at me a couple of weeks ago, and I challenged him on it. He said something like "can't you read the signs?" and I pointed out that the signs (at that time, don't know if it's changed) were set up to say "please walk bikes" as you exit the plaza but signs are not visible as you enter the plaza. Apparently, logic does not prevail as he was insistent.
Furthermore (and I hope some Whiz staff read this and get the message), when the plaza gets crowded in the summer, it makes sense to me that bikers should either ride (slowly and in control) or walk/sit astride their bikes as they move around the plaze. Think about it. In a crowded area, space is at a premium and a rider standing/walking beside a bike takes up about 50% more space than a rider on a bike.
Finally, I find this method of enforcement highly objectionable. If I'm riding in the plaza (slowly and in control, neither offending anyone nor risking anyone's safety) there's no need for some control freak to yell at me to get off my bike. It's offensive, and ruins the whole "Whistler experience". I go there for fun and relaxation, not to get yelled at.
To the loud, obnoxious control freak in the plaza, please accept my most heartfelt "fuck you". Get over yourself.
Kn.
gooch
06-21-2007, 11:11 AM
This whole issue really pisses me off. I had that guy yell at me a couple of weeks ago, and I challenged him on it. He said something like "can't you read the signs?" and I pointed out that the signs (at that time, don't know if it's changed) were set up to say "please walk bikes" as you exit the plaza but signs are not visible as you enter the plaza. Apparently, logic does not prevail as he was insistent.
Furthermore (and I hope some Whiz staff read this and get the message), when the plaza gets crowded in the summer, it makes sense to me that bikers should either ride (slowly and in control) or walk/sit astride their bikes as they move around the plaze. Think about it. In a crowded area, space is at a premium and a rider standing/walking beside a bike takes up about 50% more space than a rider on a bike.
Finally, I find this method of enforcement highly objectionable. If I'm riding in the plaza (slowly and in control, neither offending anyone nor risking anyone's safety) there's no need for some control freak to yell at me to get off my bike. It's offensive, and ruins the whole "Whistler experience". I go there for fun and relaxation, not to get yelled at.
To the loud, obnoxious control freak in the plaza, please accept my most heartfelt "fuck you". Get over yourself.
Kn.
I was totally in control when I was manualling down the stroll
TrailNinja
06-22-2007, 12:24 AM
lol, you guys make me laugh. the reason Buzz, the guy with the sign is doing what he is doing is beacuse the big wigs of whistler have said so. Passes will be revoked for the day and the offenders will have to stand in the plaza and tell others to walk their bikes to get their passes back. there is currently two law suits. one is against the Pan pacific and another against the Muni. one is looking like it is going to go the way of the plaintiff and the other we have no word on. I know buzz's methods are not the best, but he is just trying to do his job. As for the RCMP taking bikes, thats up to them, all Bylaw officers have one RCMP with them. Other than that, just realize, that yes you might be really in control of your bike, but it is the other guys who run in to people that are the one's Buzz and the rest of the WB staff are after. Just remember it is the bad apples causing the harsh rules, so if you see some one riding like a retard in the village, say something to them. after a while i am sure stuff will die down.
Mountain Dewd
06-22-2007, 12:44 AM
just a observation.
the first time i saw the sign guy, he was cheerie and chill.
few days into that crappy crappy job he was crabby, cant blame him to much, even though he bitched me out regardless of the fact that i rode totally absentmindedly from the bean patio to the lift when nobody was around.
anyway its annoying, but i really could care less.
Other than that, just realize, that yes you might be really in control of your bike, but it is the other guys who run in to people that are the one's Buzz and the rest of the WB staff are after. Just remember it is the bad apples causing the harsh rules, so if you see some one riding like a retard in the village, say something to them. after a while i am sure stuff will die down.
If it's the "bad guys" they're after, then perhaps they should stop the bad guys and deal with them accordingly. This sort of heavy handed enforcement is NOT welcome.
Kn.
TrailNinja
06-22-2007, 09:51 AM
If it's the "bad guys" they're after, then perhaps they should stop the bad guys and deal with them accordingly. This sort of heavy handed enforcement is NOT welcome.
Kn.
well the rule applies to everyone. So anyone seen riding through the area will be asked to walk. repeat offenders will have their passes hot listed for the day and will have to stand there telling others to walk their bikes for the rest of the day. I know it sucks, but it's cause of people running over people in that area and by the pan pacific. I even saw a guy run in to a guide. the guide saw the guy coming moved out his way and the guy still hit him. the guy was just not paying attention.
well the rule applies to everyone. So anyone seen riding through the area will be asked to walk. repeat offenders will have their passes hot listed for the day and will have to stand there telling others to walk their bikes for the rest of the day. I know it sucks, but it's cause of people running over people in that area and by the pan pacific. I even saw a guy run in to a guide. the guide saw the guy coming moved out his way and the guy still hit him. the guy was just not paying attention.
And the 'rule' is stupid, ill-conceived and enforcement is needlessly heavy-handed. It's nothing other than an excuse to remove common sense from the enforcement process. It's a cop-out.
It's not that hard to target the really unsafe behaviour and address it, but instead, blanket rules are created that impact everyone's enjoyment. This is a very American way of thinking, geared toward a litigious society that wants to be coddled by authority.
Kn.
kokanee
06-22-2007, 12:31 PM
Well said KenN. I have seen this guy on many occasions yelling at people riding through the plaza. He (and WB) is/are going about it the wrong way. We've all said how WE (riders) feel about it, but what sort of impression do you think a yelling, surly WB employee leaves in the eyes of ma and pa visiting from overseas? How about when a rider challenges him to not YELL across the plaza and an argument ensues? I for one as an ADULT would NOT tolerate being yelled at by anyone. If you want results, yelling rarely works. Time for this 'policy' to be looked at by whomever has decided that it should be in place.
FlipFantasia
06-22-2007, 12:55 PM
it isn't just bikepark users they're yelling at....I know of two former worca presidents that have been going through there in the past 2 weeks that have been yelled at and had words with this individual....you can't take passes from people who don't have them.....
HIBuLlitT
06-22-2007, 01:22 PM
So, it seems the ultimate goal here is to slow down some riders and get others
to pay attention.
You'll never get all people to "pay attention".
I know when I get my ass off the mountain, and I'm heading to GBB, I really don't
want to walk (I'm getting old). So, I sit on my bike and "walk". This accomplishes
two things.
1)I can sit and not have to stand (I'm not into walking).
2)My "footprint" is smaller than if my bike is next to me.
I know the times I have walked my bike besides me when it's crowded, many people
tend to get a handlebar or brake lever in their gut as I can't "nudge" them out
of the way (I mean this in a nice way). If the bike is beside me, I can't push
someone out of the way, and the times I've pulled my bike towards me, I get
the brake lever/bar in the ribs. So I have been known to "lean into" the impact
so as not to hurt myself (If that makes sense).
Maybe it should be ok if you don't have any feet on the pedals and you must be
sitting on the saddle?
Now, in the winter, can you ski through that area?
rowdy01
06-22-2007, 01:48 PM
just how is this guy gonna get your pass or any real info of you really are?
he makes threats of confiscation but has no means of actual follow through.
i`ve seen the a-holes riding way to fast around the village, so i have no problem with slowing these dinks down, but if this guy tries to threatin me with any of this BS- i`ll call him on it. ask him if he knows who i am.....then just ride/walk away. sounds really immature i know, but i just hate these rent-a-cops and there gustapo tacktics. some of these guys might be really surprized to learn that you can catch more flies with honey than vinager.
simply put.....if this guy`s a complete dick right off the bat to me, then that`s exactly how i`ll be to him. and i can`t wait to ask him just how he`s planning on taking my pass from me :fu:
HIBuLlitT
06-22-2007, 02:19 PM
i can`t wait to ask him just how he`s planning on taking my pass from me :fu:
He's working with the US homeland security trying out their new facial recognition
technology.
WB bikeparkguy
06-22-2007, 02:20 PM
So here's my 1.5 cents,
It sucks having to get off the bike, we all can agree on that probably.
Buzz, the grumpy guy with the sign, is in general a grumpy "looking" guy, that's just his style, when you get to know him he's quite pleasant. He brought out the sign to cut down on the yelling. If he can get your attention and make you read the sign it's a more polite way then just yelling at you.
As for him yelling, with the number of people in that square, he's got to get your specific attention somehow, and when your 50+ feet away, it's kind of the only solution.
We all tend to react badly when being told what to do by an authority figure...them's the breaks. So it is natural that we get argumentative about it.
It's not your bike that puts the rule in place, it's the people around your bike, I found out first hand four years ago, while riding through the village, A 3 year old kid ran in front of me and I fell off my bike trying my damndest not to hit him. You can't predict what a child will do, and they fake you out by looking one way and running the other. Last thing you want to do is put some three year old in the hospital with a concussion.
As for the rule being "heavy handed" that's kinda BS, you can't have someone who doesn't know you or your riding skill judge whether or not you are going to be the guy that turns out to be the bad apple speed demon through the village, there is no way to tell, (unless you see the super monsters) Therefore the rule applies to everyone, Just because you look both ways before you run a red doesn't mean you should run a red.
It stinks, but seriously it doesn't really matter. Three years down the road, you will barely remember riding your bike through the square.
sum it up.....BOOOOO!, But Whatev."
As for the rule being "heavy handed" that's kinda BS, you can't have someone who doesn't know you or your riding skill judge whether or not you are going to be the guy that turns out to be the bad apple speed demon through the village,
No, actually, it's not BS. It only takes 2 seconds or less to look at someone and make a determination as to whether they're riding at walking pace and in control. It actually takes longer to yell at someone until you have their attention.
We're not talking about the entire village here, just the (now) fenced plaza area between the lifts and the Longhorn. There are just too many people wanting to coast across from the lifts to the bike shop area for parts, food, drinks and it's by far the most efficient way to move about in that area.
And yes, you're damn right it pisses me, a mature adult, off to be yelled at when I know damn well I'm in control and no one's at risk, not even your hypothetical 3-year old. Yes, I ride slowly enough to brake in time, even for that out of control kid.
Kn.
enduramil
06-22-2007, 02:43 PM
So let me see if I have this correct.
The area in question is not WB property meaning that it it is in fact Muni property on would be riding on. Which is in fact public property that belongs to the taxpayers of Whistler. Therefore the area in question is actually under the jurisdiction of Whistler not WB. So that would make traffic enforcement of bikes the responsibility of the Muni and Bylaw.
Sorry, at the end of the day old Buzz is not a bylaw officer. And after checking with the old man, because he isn't a muni officer or the RCMP he in fact has no say in the area in question. And if he even touches someone he can get arrested.
And yes I'm being an asshole.
enduramil
06-22-2007, 02:45 PM
just how is this guy gonna get your pass or any real info of you really are?
he makes threats of confiscation but has no means of actual follow through.
i`ve seen the a-holes riding way to fast around the village, so i have no problem with slowing these dinks down, but if this guy tries to threatin me with any of this BS- i`ll call him on it. ask him if he knows who i am.....then just ride/walk away. sounds really immature i know, but i just hate these rent-a-cops and there gustapo tacktics. some of these guys might be really surprized to learn that you can catch more flies with honey than vinager.
simply put.....if this guy`s a complete dick right off the bat to me, then that`s exactly how i`ll be to him. and i can`t wait to ask him just how he`s planning on taking my pass from me :fu:
Unless he is either RCMP or Bylaw he can't confiscate your bike. If he does it becomes theft and he goes to jail.
HIBuLlitT
06-22-2007, 03:08 PM
Serious question:
Can you run through the area in question?
If so, I've got to tell ya, I can stop a hell of a lot faster on my bike than running.
I think in all fairness, you should be able to ride your bike at a walking speed.
WB bikeparkguy
06-22-2007, 03:11 PM
No, actually, it's not BS. It only takes 2 seconds or less to look at someone and make a determination as to whether they're riding at walking pace and in control.
Two guys, riding at a walking pace, perfectly in control. Riding from summit to the fitz chair. Kid comes running out of the Gondola site seeing exit, not looking where she was going, guys are watching where they are going, kid broadsides them and smokes her head on a pedal. It's happened before and no one has complete control. I do believe the old adage is "S**t happens", nearly every MTB'er has crashed when they weren't expecting it on an easy section of trail....100% control is an illusion.
HIBuLlitT
06-22-2007, 03:28 PM
Two guys, riding at a walking pace, perfectly in control. Riding from summit to the fitz chair. Kid comes running out of the Gondola site seeing exit, not looking where she was going, guys are watching where they are going, kid broadsides them and smokes her head on a pedal. It's happened before and no one has complete control. I do believe the old adage is "S**t happens", nearly every MTB'er has crashed when they weren't expecting it on an easy section of trail....100% control is an illusion.
So you're proving kens point. What's the difference if they were walking or
riding in this case?
My point is, if you're riding or sitting on your bike "walking" at a walking pace, there
should be no issues. I have way more control over my bike riding it than walking
it. If a kid runs into me, that's going to happen wheather I'm riding or walking.
WB bikeparkguy
06-22-2007, 03:45 PM
So you're proving kens point. What's the difference if they were walking or
riding in this case?
My point is, if you're riding or sitting on your bike "walking" at a walking pace, there
should be no issues. I have way more control over my bike riding it than walking
it. If a kid runs into me, that's going to happen wheather I'm riding or walking.
Okay, that's a fair cop. Walking or riding at that pace, there probably is very little difference in injuries sustained by some kid who's parents aren't looking out for 'em.
Personally, I'm still going to side on the fact that just because some people ride slow and in control in the pedestrian square doesn't mean that the majority will, and in that case, it's better to be all encompassing and have everyone put at the same level. Call me a commie PInko, but I think if one person has to play by the rules we all should have to.
HIBuLlitT
06-22-2007, 04:01 PM
I'm not arguing for special treatment, just a more resonable rule.
Basically, you should have to be moving at a walking pace, whether you're
walking, riding, skating, or blading. What do they do about the kids with the
wheels in the bottom of their shoes? Over here they're huge with the kids.
I got kids doing mach 10 in the supermarket, running me over. I got no problems
with them rolling along (except they're contributing to the weight gain in the US),
just with them roling that fast.
Walking your bike just isn't a big deal. I come from the day lots and I have to walk it about 100 meters. I can manage it.
Choose your battles wisely. This one is just not worth it. IMO.
rowdy01
06-22-2007, 05:07 PM
I think in all fairness, you should be able to ride your bike at a walking speed.
what if you were walking on a conveyor belt?-that could be kinda fast!
Quote:
Originally Posted by HIBuLlitT
So you're proving kens point. What's the difference if they were walking or
riding in this case?
My point is, if you're riding or sitting on your bike "walking" at a walking pace, there
should be no issues. I have way more control over my bike riding it than walking
it. If a kid runs into me, that's going to happen wheather I'm riding or walking.
Okay, that's a fair cop. Walking or riding at that pace, there probably is very little difference in injuries sustained by some kid who's parents aren't looking out for 'em.
Personally, I'm still going to side on the fact that just because some people ride slow and in control in the pedestrian square doesn't mean that the majority will, and in that case, it's better to be all encompassing and have everyone put at the same level. Call me a commie PInko, but I think if one person has to play by the rules we all should have to.
it freaks the old people out because they have no idea of the quality of outr riding and brakes. they don't understand that we are more in control while riding then walking and therefore they get freaked out, think they are going to be run over. hence the walk bikes sign.
what if you were walking on a conveyor belt?-that could be kinda fast!
when are we riding whistler?
Aeropusher
06-22-2007, 05:19 PM
....walking through the village doesnt bother me...but on really muddy/rainy days I have this uncontrollable urge to run up and hug the first tourist I see wearing all white........
zmcdee
06-22-2007, 08:32 PM
....but on really muddy/rainy days I have this uncontrollable urge to run up and hug the first tourist I see wearing all white........
:lol: Who doesn't?
Its kinda funny, I'm more likley to clip somebody's shin with my pedal as I'm walking my bike, rather than sitting on it, either coasting or pushing with my feet.
I was wondering the thing about running too. I'm tempted to run through that area when I'm there next...
HIBuLlitT
06-22-2007, 09:17 PM
How about running with your bike next to you? I had a guy run into me two
years ago in the village. He was running, thought I'd jump out of the way,I
braced, he hit me, he skidded for a couple feet. He could have hurt himself running into me like that. It was either I brace knocking him down or knocking
my wife down.
djb brought up a point (I took two percocetes and one flexaril an hour ago,
and I'm feeling like stirring the pot:evil: ). Why can't the same people that
worry about the bikers riding bikes also yell at the people smoking where they
shouldn't? I can see it now...HEY YOU, PUT OUT THAT DAMN CIGUARETTE
BEFORE YOU KILL SOMEONE!!!!
I think that whole area should be no smoking too. Nothing worse than coming
off the trail taking deep breaths of fresh air only to take a big hit of tobacco smoke...
I think they should also put cameras on the chairs, so when people throw
litter off the chair, they can show it on the jumbotron over and over....
patrolskid
06-22-2007, 09:26 PM
hey guys , not going to argue on whether this is right or wrong , but for those of you who think buzz can't do anything to enforce it , you are wrong .
all he has to do is follow you up to the ticket validator , and tell them not to accept your pass .
and remember , he gets paid by the hour , so if he has to follow you around for a while , no big deal to him . plus his memory is pretty good :lol:
again , not saying it is right or wrong , just sayin' . . . .
i like riding my bike as much as anyone , but IMO , this ain't a battle worth fighting . we're talking an area about 120' X 60' , about a third of which will be taken up with gondola line control next week anyway .
about a third of which will be taken up with gondola line control next week anyway .
:rave: its back?
HIBuLlitT
06-22-2007, 09:43 PM
^^Awe come on, we're just havin a laugh! Better we bitch here than over there...no?
I'd still like to see no smoking in that area, although I've gone through a cloud
of smoke on aline last year (no not the sweet smelling stuff).
rowdy01
06-22-2007, 10:19 PM
when are we riding whistler?
off for the next 9 days....when ya wanna go?
i cant do week days, but how about tomorrow?
Lady Gravity
06-22-2007, 11:47 PM
oh fer crying out loud, just walk your bike. sheesh.
funkendrenchman
06-24-2007, 01:52 AM
So which Phat Wednesday race is going through the village?:idea:
DaveM
06-24-2007, 09:55 AM
Is it really that big of a deal to have to walk your bike for a few seconds, or is it that you just don't like being told what to do?
This is not about walking bikes. It's about Draconian enforcement of unnecessary rules.
I despise stupidity in all its forms.
Thin edge of the wedge ...
Kn.
DaveM
06-24-2007, 12:24 PM
And there's no stupidity in protesting something not on the basis of what you're being asked to do, but how you're being asked? Draconian? Oh the drama.
The "it's not what you said but how you said it" makes you sound like a bunch of PMSing women (no offense intended to women)
I suppose you've run a bike park before, know all the issues and therefore know what rules are necessary and what aren't. Do you think they just invented a new rule because they had some extra staff with nothing to do? Get a grip.
"Thin edge of the wedge?"
How about "Don't sweat the small stuff"
the flying moose
06-24-2007, 01:49 PM
doesnt matter if you walk or ride your bike. ive been to whistler 5 or 6 times now. 3 times ive been walking my bike and had a child run into it because they werent paying attention and niether were their parents. having an angry parent get mad at you because their kid wasnt watching where they were going and the parents werent watching either is not a good way to start your day.
TrailNinja
06-24-2007, 04:54 PM
It is not like this rule was just invented this year, this has been a rule ever since the park opened all those years ago. Look at it this way, you want the Bylaw officers or cops asking you, cause i guarantee that they will also hand you a nice little ticket for it too, with a max amount being $2000 dollars. there are signs everywhere that say riding you bike in the Village is against the Bylaws. Just be thankful it is just WB staff enforcing it right now.
HIBuLlitT
06-25-2007, 12:05 AM
doesnt matter if you walk or ride your bike. ive been to whistler 5 or 6 times now. 3 times ive been walking my bike and had a child run into it because they werent paying attention and niether were their parents. having an angry parent get mad at you because their kid wasnt watching where they were going and the parents werent watching either is not a good way to start your day.
"There is not a man in America who has not had a secret ambition to boot an infant"
W.C. Fields
gooch
06-25-2007, 10:17 AM
This is not about walking bikes. It's about Draconian enforcement of unnecessary rules.
I despise stupidity in all its forms.
Thin edge of the wedge ...
Kn.
If someone were to hit my kid while riding their bike in the village, chances are they would exanguinate before they ever made it to the medical centre
The "no riding your bike in the village" rule is for your protection
Aeropusher
06-25-2007, 03:15 PM
It is not like this rule was just invented this year, this has been a rule ever since the park opened all those years ago. Look at it this way, you want the Bylaw officers or cops asking you, cause i guarantee that they will also hand you a nice little ticket for it too, with a max amount being $2000 dollars. there are signs everywhere that say riding you bike in the Village is against the Bylaws. Just be thankful it is just WB staff enforcing it right now.
not just WB staff...I did see a pass holder getting the treatment from the RCMP on opening weekend...there was a lot of hand-waving and shaking of heads...and then out came the ticket book......
If someone were to hit my kid while riding their bike in the village, chances are they would exsanguinate before they ever made it to the medical centre
The "no riding your bike in the village" rule is for your protection
jebus man..I had to look that one up.....wouldnt Bylaw Enforcement make you clean up the mess though?
seand
06-25-2007, 04:27 PM
It's not your bike that puts the rule in place, it's the people around your bike, I found out first hand four years ago, while riding through the village, A 3 year old kid ran in front of me and I fell off my bike trying my damndest not to hit him. You can't predict what a child will do, and they fake you out by looking one way and running the other. Last thing you want to do is put some three year old in the hospital with a concussion.
If someone were to hit my kid while riding their bike in the village, chances are they would exanguinate before they ever made it to the medical centre
The "no riding your bike in the village" rule is for your protection
dogs are expected to be leashed and children should be too...suddenly, this issue vanishes :)
I was asked to walk my bike; but I wasn't pedaling it..I was sitting on it walking Fred Flinstone style (much slower than anyone walking around me). Conversation went like this..
"walk your bike"
"I am, and I am going slower than everyone around me"
"you need to either walk your bike or hand over your bike"
"get bent. And why are you not asking Stacy to walk his bike?"
A tiny crowd witnessed this and when a few people started to laugh, dude got a tad upset...sure he could have followed me around and told the lifties to not allow me up..but I was done for the day so I guess he could camp outside the hotel til the next morning...overtime pay is good stuff!
I'm surprised you guys have time to ride your bikes with all the bitchin you do about kids, dogs, tourist, smoking, slow people on a line, America, and now some guy with a sign. Poor little Canadians
FlipFantasia
06-25-2007, 06:12 PM
I'm surprised you guys have time to ride your bikes with all the bitchin you do about kids, dogs, tourist, smoking, slow people on a line, America, and now some guy with a sign. Poor little Canadians
yup, better stay home......no one here has a problem with riding slow....but when people start making threats about big fines and confiscating bikes for not causing problems, that's a legitimate complaint, especially when the guy making the threats is being a dick about it.....
FlipFantasia
06-25-2007, 06:15 PM
http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v76/192/94/730750187/n730750187_692940_5569.jpg
edit - all in good fun.....
HIBuLlitT
06-25-2007, 08:39 PM
^You may not have noticed, but it appears that you have a hobo stuck to your backpack...
FlipFantasia
06-25-2007, 09:53 PM
^You may not have noticed, but it appears that you have a hobo stuck to your backpack...
that a'int I....
Geologyboy
06-27-2007, 03:56 PM
Whistler seems to think people are capable of riding a ladder bridge 6 feet above the ground, but coasting through to the Bike and bean might cause a lawsuit. So drop the GLC, skid the last corner, but then you better get off your bike becuase that's when things get dangerous.
I understand why they are doing it, but the irony is laughable.
HIBuLlitT
06-27-2007, 05:30 PM
Maybe they should put a skinny from the fence to GBB over the "public".
Cooper
06-27-2007, 10:28 PM
Maybe they should put a skinny from the fence to GBB over the "public".
would be a pro line for sure
HIBuLlitT
06-27-2007, 10:32 PM
would be a pro line for sure
They'd have to put those nets like on Clownshoes, then when a rider got
stuck in it, then everyone could look at them and laugh. There's your incentive
to make it.
Cooper
06-27-2007, 10:36 PM
They'd have to put those nets like on Clownshoes, then when a rider got
stuck in it, then everyone could look at them and laugh. There's your incentive
to make it.
sounds good! pfft, make it go up onto the patios for extra enjoyment.
I have never even seen anyone fall on the clownshoes nets anyways.
HIBuLlitT
06-27-2007, 10:52 PM
I have never even seen anyone fall on the clownshoes nets anyways.
Me neither, but I've looked at them and they were the reason I stayed on the log...lol
Cooper
06-27-2007, 11:40 PM
Me neither, but I've looked at them and they were the reason I stayed on the log...lol
haha, ive never even fallen off of it. would suck anyways.
So this skinny, there must be a big drop to flat right onto the bike and bean table area
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