Ca,'s thought on mtb'ing

[m33p]

Again I am amazed by the abilities of these young riders. I have to ask though, considering the preoccupation with dirt jumping, what separates us from BMXer? Many of the moves we have seen thus far in the competition are pretty average for many 14 year olds riding 20 inch. Dirt jumping is cool to watch and it's fun but we are always going to be the poor cousin if we get obessessed by it. Mountain bikes were made to go fast over unruly terrain and to tame impossible steeps as well as get in the air. I am really feeling cheated by the lack of variety and creativity shown in the majority of the videos. Dirt jumping is the flavour of the month but let's not forget our roots people. We are mountain bikers after all.

Cam McRae

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Upon further inspection of his little writeup on the UFC2 round 3 I'd say I'd have to completely agree with Cam on what he just said above.

Mountain biking won't progress in the streets or on the dirt jumps because it has already been done for 10 years by the bmx'ers. The only thing that seperates us from the Bmx scene is Trails. The one original thing is trail riding.

Just a little head's up for you.

[clay@nsmb.com]

haha - nice john, ironically corey and I are having this same discussion in the mod forum.

I refuse to mutate my hardtail into a $2600 BMX.

But like you said, I think its just a fad - eventually the dudes that are really into street and DJ'n will just buy BMX's in order to really progress.

[corey@nsmb.com]

I agree.

[IFO]

haahah WERD up Clay...

i love that 2600$ mod'd BMX comment...:)

[m33p]

Sorry for the mistake on your name in the title Cam:P

[Cheese]

I completly agree with cam, I'm gettin fustrated with the direction of our sport. :mad:

[TREV]

whatever cam

i think mountain biking is whatever the rider wants...

if u wanna dj , thats cool,

if u wanna ride mountain thats cool.

if u wanna ride street, thats cool


personaly, i don't care about what guys think...

i think i speak for almost all rider when i saw

" ride for fun, ride what u want, buy what u want, build how u want, don't let opinions stop u from having fun on your bike "

[clay@nsmb.com]

whooa, easy - we all have our own opinions no need to get your panties in a knot trever.

But your right - "i think mountain biking is whatever the rider wants..."

Originally posted by TREV
whatever cam

i think mountain biking is whatever the rider wants...

if u wanna dj , thats cool,

if u wanna ride mountain thats cool.

if u wanna ride street, thats cool


personaly, i don't care about what guys think...

i think i speak for almost all rider when i saw

" ride for fun, ride what u want, buy what u want, build how u want, don't let opinions stop u from having fun on your bike "

[corey@nsmb.com]

I think Cam would agree with you 100% Trev.

His comments are about the UFC, not putting guys down for going big.

I don't think he is dissing the guys based on a 60 second clip. He is not tryin to comment on the fun aspect, I'd say more on the relevancy of the footage in regards to mtb riding as a whole.

[eeyun]

I :heart: trails :)

I don't care what people do on, or to their bikes, but for me, trails is what keeps the 'mountain' in mountain biking.

[dirty-bike]

Originally posted by eeyun
I :heart: trails :)

I don't care what people do on, or to their bikes, but for me, trails is what keeps the 'mountain' in mountain biking.



:werd:

[counterpoint]

ok but look at 2 years ago - it was all about skinnies and cliff drops. How boring is that to watch now?

(not disagreeing just pointing something out.)

[Crazy Canuck]

FREERIDE

Is it not??


:D


Ride it all.

[counterpoint]

but then you got alot of guys that hate street and skatepark. You just can't win. I think Donahue said it best.

[eeyun]

Originally posted by counterpoint
but then you got alot of guys that hate street and skatepark. You just can't win. I think Donahue said it best.

agreed :)

(side note: will this work week ever be over? I wanna ride!)

[counterpoint]

at least you don't have to work saturday

:(

like me.

[synchro]

Cam's got the right idea, it's the Utimate Freeride Competition, not the Untimate Dirt Jump Competition. I like the DJ's and watching guys do them, but this is only one small aspect of freeriding. Skinnies, steeps, slippery roots, baby heads, tail whippage, hopsand speed are all aspects of freeriding. I wanna see guys do more than just bust style over a jump before I give them my vote.

[gimped]

What the hell does freeride mean and why do some people want to give themselves this classification? I consider myself a "cyclist" because I do it all. I find it funny when people actually referr to themselves as a "freerider". Wouldn't road and xc be included in that?

[Cheese]

FREERIDE

[sAFETY]

This to shall pass......

[Crazy Canuck]

Originally posted by gimped
What the hell does freeride mean and why do some people want to give themselves this classification? I consider myself a "cyclist" because I do it all. I find it funny when people actually referr to themselves as a "freerider". Wouldn't road and xc be included in that?

No Offence, Cycling sounds like a Road Racing thing.

I think the majority call themselves "Riders".

[APT]

Originally posted by gimped
What the hell does freeride mean and why do some people want to give themselves this classification? I consider myself a "cyclist" because I do it all. I find it funny when people actually referr to themselves as a "freerider". Wouldn't road and xc be included in that?

Maybe the proper term should be "Mountain Biker"?

[gimped]

"Maybe the proper term should be "Mountain Biker"?"

- Exactly.

[corey@nsmb.com]

What about being called a "jibber" :lol:

[clay@nsmb.com]

All this friction is making my afternoon at work fly by.

So if you use your bike primarily for urban assaults and Djs is it still classified as a Mountain Bike?

[corey@nsmb.com]

No, I think it is a jibb machine then, but I am not sure..or a jibbing bike, a jib rig. Gettin jibby with it...

[gimped]

Hmmm... I wonder. Why not just ride BMX's? They are way simpler and stronger. Personal preference?

[corey@nsmb.com]

JIB

:lol::lol:

[clay@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by gimped
Hmmm... I wonder. Why not just ride BMX's? They are way simpler and stronger. Personal preference?

I think some jib-meisters like investing $2000 into a pseudo-BMX-MTB-bike rather than just spending $400 on a nice lil BMX.

"Gettin jibby with it" hahahahahahaah

[Crazy Canuck]

Originally posted by gimped
Hmmm... I wonder. Why not just ride BMX's? They are way simpler and stronger. Personal preference?

BMX's are not quiet so nice for old doods like me.

The Big Bike is where its at.

I am a rider, I ride for fun, I ride it all.

'nuff said.

;)

[Crazy Canuck]

Originally posted by clay@nsmb.com
I think some jib-meisters like investing $2000 into a pseudo-BMX-MTB-bike rather than just spending $400 on a nice lil BMX.

"Gettin jibby with it" hahahahahahaah

You can't get a quality bmx for $400, what r u thinking?

Most quality frames are more than that.

[clay@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by Crazy Canuck
BMX's are not quiet so nice for old doods like me.

The Big Bike is where its at.

I am a rider, I ride for fun, I ride it all.

'nuff said.

;)

Thats actually a good argument - MTBs are much easier on the ailing bodies of us older dudes - BMXs are not very forgiving.

[clay@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by Crazy Canuck
You can't get a quality bmx for $400, what r u thinking?

Most quality frames are more than that.

I am thinking I haven't owned a BMX since I was 9 years old. Why is the one in your sig selling for three hundey then? :D

[seand]

heh, sure they are!

just get a larger frame...put some fat tires on it...some cushy front suspension....disc breaks...

slap some 243 stickers on it...
and you have an oldmans bmx :P

[Pumpkin Jack]

i agree but as long as there haveing fun who really cares

[seand]

someone is a bit of a tim burton fanatic ;)

[Grimace]

Originally posted by Mulletron
What about being called a "jibber" :lol:
i

[Crazy Canuck]

Originally posted by clay@nsmb.com
I am thinking I haven't owned a BMX since I was 9 years old. Why is the one in your sig selling for three hundey then? :D

its used, and my sister just needs to sell it as quick as possible.

Its frickin sweet for the $$price.

full 4130 chromo frame and fork. Built to "team" spec. (only myself and Stricker had one)

Solid turn bars.......

Oh man.........check it out already!

[clay@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by Crazy Canuck
its used, and my sister just needs to sell it as quick as possible.

Its frickin sweet for the $$price.

full 4130 chromo frame and fork. Built to "team" spec. (only myself and Stricker had one)

Solid turn bars.......

Oh man.........check it out already!

do you have a pic of it anywhere?

[blunt boy]

All you guys bagging on the "dj /street" crowd sound like the old XC relics who were bagging on "Freeriders". While watching the UFC, I'd rather see some more trail riding and I'm not too impressed that the Aussie won his round. A little DJ to show versitilty is cool. Many off us have BMX back ground, but like Chris said, Mt. bikes are easier on old bones. Some people didn't just hop on 7" of suspension and start off from scratch. But, we don't all have to be one dimensional "huckers". If thats your thing, fine. I bet any of these so called "BMXers" could hop on an 7" travel bike and blow people away (me included). They just choose to apply their skills in a different way. It's called progrerssion. It may get phased out when the next big thing comes rolling in, but till then, just ride.

[pete@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by eeyun
(side note: will this work week ever be over? I wanna ride!)

Oh, it's almost over all right (actually it flew by for me). Here's a little somethin for ya:

http://www.whistler-blackcomb.com/weather/snowreport/

100 cms supposed to fall this weekend *cough* that's the powder flu acting up, kiddies.

[Crazy Canuck]

Originally posted by clay@nsmb.com
do you have a pic of it anywhere?

not yet........soon though.

[pete@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by blunt boy
All you guys bagging on the "dj /street" crowd sound like the old XC relics who were bagging on "Freeriders". While watching the UFC, I'd rather see some more trail riding and I'm not too impressed that the Aussie won his round. A little DJ to show versitilty is cool. Many off us have BMX back ground, but like Chris said, Mt. bikes are easier on old bones. Some people didn't just hop on 7" of suspension and start off from scratch. But, we don't all have to be one dimensional "huckers". If thats your thing, fine. I bet any of these so called "BMXers" could hop on an 7" travel bike and blow people away (me included). They just choose to apply their skills in a different way. It's called progrerssion. It may get phased out when the next big thing comes rolling in, but till then, just ride.

I don't think anyone's hacking on the talents of bmx'ers, dj'ers, or anyone else - quite the opposite, in fact. But if the UFC is supposed to represent the "Ultimate" Freerider, then dj'ing and street alone should not cut it, just like hucking or skinnies alone are not enough - but they are all important elements.

In my mind, you can't be the ultimate freerider if you can't do a bit of everything. Sure, you'll have your strengths and weaknesses, but if you're a glorified bmx rider on 26" wheels, forget it - that's not a complete representation of freeride in and of itself. Ditto if you're just making craters in Utah, or ONLY jumping. And yeah, most of these riders ARE great at more than one or two things - usually the talents that make you a good jumper or hucker or street rider can be transferred as long as you want to. Then again, I've seen Bender try to negotiate a 30 degree slope with long grass before, and he looked like a duck out of water - it was pretty awkward looking to say the least.

[blunt boy]

I totally agree with you. Its (DJ / Street)just not keeping Mt biking from getting "better" is all I'm saying.

[synchro]

Originally posted by Pete@nsmb.com
I don't think anyone's hacking on the talents of bmx'ers, dj'ers, or anyone else - quite the opposite, in fact. But if the UFC is supposed to represent the "Ultimate" Freerider, then dj'ing and street alone should not cut it, just like hucking or skinnies alone are not enough - but they are all important elements.

In my mind, you can't be the ultimate freerider if you can't do a bit of everything. Sure, you'll have your strengths and weaknesses, but if you're a glorified bmx rider on 26" wheels, forget it - that's not a complete representation of freeride in and of itself. Ditto if you're just making craters in Utah, or ONLY jumping. And yeah, most of these riders ARE great at more than one or two things - usually the talents that make you a good jumper or hucker or street rider can be transferred as long as you want to. Then again, I've seen Bender try to negotiate a 30 degree slope with long grass before, and he looked like a duck out of water - it was pretty awkward looking to say the least.

That's what makes Wade the "Ultimate", he does it all and is super smooth.

[blunt boy]

yup.

[blunt boy]

Schley put on a pretty good show in NWD III too.

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by Pete@nsmb.com
Oh, it's almost over all right (actually it flew by for me). Here's a little somethin for ya:

http://www.whistler-blackcomb.com/weather/snowreport/

100 cms supposed to fall this weekend *cough* that's the powder flu acting up, kiddies.

Pete = the snow right now is kinda like "pig snot".

Bring a trash bag to put over jackets if you go up

[TREV]

Originally posted by Crazy Canuck
FREERIDE

Ride it all.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by blunt boy
I totally agree with you. Its (DJ / Street)just not keeping Mt biking from getting "better" is all I'm saying.


Agreed! :-)

[R.kelly]

k , so MTB street is better for older bodies than BMX ... i just have one question

then why do we sponsor and put mtb street riders in movies ?
think about it !

if they are worried about that .. they grab a 24" ride park or street half decent and we sponsor them ?...

if you want my opinion on what freeriding is all about watch any of the kranked movies ! ..

people are generalizing all the categories so that there is no more "RIDING"



what happened to open DH style freeriding ... ?
everyone thinks of shore when actual mountain biking is mentioned

mtb street is fun but not worthy of sponsors or movies ... end of story !

it should be one of those things you and a pal do after a ride ...not an entire section of the sport .. i also agree everyone can do what they please

BUT ... you must realise it is our responsibility to preserve our sport and not make a fool of our sport

[Action Hero]

I don't mean to sound ****y, Last year I did a can can nothing when only a few BMXer's we're doing it. I've done mini superman nothings too, not that many people can do that in the BMX world.

If I'm doing this, then imagine what we'll be doing in the next few years...

Stop worrying about what everyone else is doing, and do you own thing. Cram you negitivity up your own ass, my young mind is full of enough non-sense.

[BOUCH]

Originally posted by tweek
I don't mean to sound ****y, Last year I did a can can nothing when only a few BMXer's we're doing it. I've done mini superman nothings too, not that many people can do that in the BMX world.

If I'm doing this, then imagine what we'll be doing in the next few years...

Stop worrying about what everyone else is doing, and do you own thing. Cram you negitivity up your own ass, my young mind is full of enough non-sense.

but bmx arent hacks

[Action Hero]

Originally posted by BOUCH
but bmx arent hacks

Why are we always compared to BMX's and MOTO-Xer's

Think they give a fuck what we're doing?

[Alexey]

Originally posted by Crazy Canuck
FREERIDE

Is it not??


:D


Ride it all. werd

i really dont care wat u think an mtb is and wat a bmx is. fact is! i ride 24s with slicks with SS and with a rigid fork and bmx cranks. I for one am a street rider when i'm on my px.

[Rat]

I respect everyones right to ride whatever makes them happy. Thats what riding is all about. I just dont get the whole urban street thing, Ive tried it and frankly I find it boring. Mabey I need to hook up with someone to show me what its all about.

[.glib]

Originally posted by tweek
Think they give a fuck what we're doing?
Ah. Now THAT's a good point. Unless you're taking up valuble space at Leeside, or run over a BMXer at the park, they don't give a fuck, no. And MXers...well...safe to say I've only ever seen one while I was on my bike.

Personally, I have no problem emulating other sports. I plan to emulate MX and BMX, and ride MTB trails.

[white ri0t]

stairgap pride, yo!

[Action Hero]

Originally posted by Gandalf
Ah. Now THAT's a good point. Unless you're taking up valuble space at Leeside, or run over a BMXer at the park, they don't give a fuck, no. And MXers...well...safe to say I've only ever seen one while I was on my bike.

Personally, I have no problem emulating other sports. I plan to emulate MX and BMX, and ride MTB trails.

By incorporating stuff in from MX and BMX into MTB we're creating a wicked half-breed of a sport.

[JimmyJ]

dont be street hating yo!

[Alexey]

Originally posted by JimmyJ
dont be street hating yo! no shit eh! m33p street is here to stay! deal with it

[Tha Niggla]

Originally posted by tweek
By incorporating stuff in from MX and BMX into MTB we're creating a wicked half-breed of a sport.

yay for half-breeds!

[Crazy Canuck]

Originally posted by Tha Niggla
yay for half-breeds!

:lol: AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol:

:clap:

[UFO]

i think dj/street is more accessible to the majority of the riders, as opposed to the wicked gnarly dh-style freeride

[natedawg]

To each his OWN.
If I want to ride street with my mtb, I'll do so. If I want to ride trials with my mtb, I'll do so. If one feels more comfortable riding something that was meant for BMX's on a mtb, then let them be. Nothing you say will convince them otherwise, because people ride for themselves. Not to please an opinion shared by some.

[TREV]

Originally posted by jeremy h
k , so MTB street is better for older bodies than BMX ... i just have one question

then why do we sponsor and put mtb street riders in movies ?
think about it !

if they are worried about that .. they grab a 24" ride park or street half decent and we sponsor them ?...

if you want my opinion on what freeriding is all about watch any of the kranked movies ! ..

people are generalizing all the categories so that there is no more "RIDING"



what happened to open DH style freeriding ... ?
everyone thinks of shore when actual mountain biking is mentioned

mtb street is fun but not worthy of sponsors or movies ... end of story !

it should be one of those things you and a pal do after a ride ...not an entire section of the sport .. i also agree everyone can do what they please

BUT ... you must realise it is our responsibility to preserve our sport and not make a fool of our sport

:werd:

[rOOfToP]

Originally posted by jeremy h
then why do we sponsor and put mtb street riders in movies ?


so companies can make money off your parents

[R.kelly]

Originally posted by rOOfToP
so companies can make money off your parents

I pay for all my parts ... bikes .. passes .. EVERYTHING

:mad:

[rOOfToP]

off parents in general that wasnt intended as a personal attack