UFC group 3 commentary

[cam@nsmb.com]

Is up here (http://www.nsmb.com/shore_news/ufc_rnd3_03_03.php)

[counterpoint]

here's the deal cam - the reason all these videos are all about air is because you have 1 minute only. Steeps and speed does not convey on a 2 inch quicktime video. If we could see these videos in their real miniDV glory, we'd get a better understanding of the reality of it. Look at Trevor Porter. No one could tell how fast that guy was going and he lost out because of it. You can't shoot the Shore for this contest as the viewing format is too weak.

In one minute and a limited viewer the most bang for your buck is big air.

Jeremy

[thewwkayaker]

Cam you said what I think/feel in your article. But I think we are showing our age!

Dirt jumping and Urban are taking over - partially because it's easier to get to (you can build dirt jumps in lots of flat lands and most people live in the city so urban makes sense). I've always thought that these elements were great to practice but were not what mtbiking and indeed "freeriding" was about (because as you said - BMX does it much better, except maybe stair gaps and the like due to the lack of suspension). But I've been told that "freeriding" is finding new lines to bike & ride everywhere (which means that riding up a mountain is also freeriding :-)

On the positive side- maybe 90% of riders will leave the trails to focus only on dirt jumping and urban :-)

[grashopa]

I still haven't seen an all around UFCII winner worthy video as of yet, except for maybe Trevor. All the videos seem to be to 1 dimensional. I want to see a rider with skills in all aspects of riding that includes skinnies, drops, DJ's, urban, and tech single track. I'm sure they could squeeze one nutty shot from each of those aspects of riding into a minute. Personally, I'll be dissapointed if someone wins with just DJ's, and hucks. The freeride winner should possess excellent all around skills. But that's just my opinion.

[Roasted]

Cam I thought UFC said no published movies or anything in that regards...cory's vid is using his tow in from superheroes 3....that really sucks for the other competitors...

But I am in agreement with everyone. Freeriding is only going big now...pure riding skills aren't always required. Of all the vids so far Trevor has had the most skills...oh well...I am double the age of just about every competitor ahha :)

[Chump]

Cam I can't agree with your article more. Very good write up this week. I give the guys props for sure for the huge gaps don't get me wrong. It seems like the 14 year olds drool over if you have a rope, car, tow-in and can make dirt bike sounds. :D :rolleyes:

Steve

[Ned]

These fella's have skills without a doubt... But the overdressed, shiny shoed marketeers who profess to understand trail riding culture have infiltrated the soul of the sport and have illuminated it with a light beam that wouldn't cover the surface area of a fuggin' dime...

Does that mean I'm not in their demographic? 'Fraid so.

[m33p]

Great write up Cam, But I do think it's hard to add all those things in to a 30 second video. You gotta go balls out in 30 secs or else your toast.

[dudski]

ya that quicktime thing really fucks the vid's over. for example my brothers vid when in original format is really smoothly edited and slower in some sections . it seems like they changed the speeds to like 10% faster. whateevr shit happens some times for the good but most of the time for the worst :( i had a helping hand in the making of his video thinger so i have an idea on how its different in the quicktime viewer


but good beats eh??

[pkripper]

I'm with you guys on the quicktime issues, and I'm down with the "dirt jump" theme. But don't believe everything you read, FYI, Begin didn't put Derpaks video together, and thats not footy from Superheros 3.

[cam@nsmb.com]

Hey PK - it says on the Raceface site, in the little Derpak bio, that Christian shot Cory's vid. Were they wrong?

[Squampton]

yes excellent write up. I agree however counterpoint does have a very good point about steep tech stuff. I would like to see a bit more varrity as well.

Ryan Haye's trick is a little different. If you put your foot over the middle of your bar (like he did) AND bring it back it is called a candybar. In dirtbiking if you put both legs like he did and land it is a starealizer. So i guess he did either a candybar lander or a one footed starealizer.

[Formulaphoto]

I was really disappointed with Derpak's video. He has the skills to really impress and could have taken this whole thing....BUT (and its a big one), his video took absolutely zero effort to film. They probably spent about 30 minutes at the dirt jumps, and perhaps one or two passes on the tow-in. The rest was just fancy editing. Wish I could have seen more of the talent "Dirtbag" possesses.

Can't wait to see your reviews next week! ;)

[brian]

Originally posted by pkripper
I'm with you guys on the quicktime issues, and I'm down with the "dirt jump" theme. But don't believe everything you read, FYI, Begin didn't put Derpaks video together, and thats not footy from Superheros 3.

If it's not Superheores 3 then it's from another video. It's been shown before for sure.

[Monster Mike]

I voted for Ryan. His video is the only one that came close to impressing me the rest werent that good at all. He seems to have some good hucking and tech skill.

[BOUCH]

Originally posted by Formulaphoto
I was really disappointed with Derpak's video. He has the skills to really impress and could have taken this whole thing....BUT (and its a big one), his video took absolutely zero effort to film. They probably spent about 30 minutes at the dirt jumps, and perhaps one or two passes on the tow-in. The rest was just fancy editing. Wish I could have seen more of the talent "Dirtbag" possesses.

Can't wait to see your reviews next week! ;)

i thought the same thing about it too. I didnt even like te filming, everything was really close and almost missing the rider go by most of the time

[GNARLY MAN]

Originally posted by Chump
Cam I can't agree with your article more. Very good write up this week. I give the guys props for sure for the huge gaps don't get me wrong. It seems like the 14 year olds drool over if you have a rope, car, tow-in and can make dirt bike sounds. :D :rolleyes:

Steve

hey i am 14 !!!:cry:

[BiG D]

Originally posted by GNARLY MAN
hey i am 14 !!!:cry:

and you voted for sage didnt you

[davet]

I watched the videos this week and couldn't decide who to vote for. In my opinion, I didn't see much mountain biking there. So I came over to the BB to see what everyone else thought and it looks like I'm not alone. This week I choose not to vote because the videos didn't portray anyone good enough (again in my opinion) to advance.

I can't believe Geoff G. didn't win last week. Now he's an all around rider, and does it all well. I think he was robbed.

Oh well, that's just one old guys opinion.

[TokSik]

Again I am amazed by the abilities of these young riders. I have to ask though, considering the preoccupation with dirt jumping, what separates us from BMXer? Many of the moves we have seen thus far in the competition are pretty average for many 14 year olds riding 20 inch. Dirt jumping is cool to watch and it's fun but we are always going to be the poor cousin if we get obessessed by it. Mountain bikes were made to go fast over unruly terrain and to tame impossible steeps as well as get in the air. I am really feeling cheated by the lack of variety and creativity shown in the majority of the videos. Dirt jumping is the flavour of the month but let's not forget our roots people. We are mountain bikers after all.



I couldn't have said it better. It's like you read my mind. Great read Cam.

[FullMonty]

I voted for Ryan Hayes... It was kinda a toss-up between him and the guy from Nelson, but I think that, given the way this contest is going, Hayes' giant gaps at the end of the clip will help propel him into the next round.

[counterpoint]

you know what is funny? if any person on this board had a chance to do a 60 second video to showcase their talent against the world they would go out and FIND OR BUILD A JUMP. These riders are riding for you. And deep down in 60 seconds, you would rather see some air than tires on the ground.

As for Geoff and riding ability, damn right he should have won. But to anyone who is not from the Shore, that hardtail drop off of Digger's Rock looked less than 10 feet.

[FullMonty]

Originally posted by counterpoint
As for Geoff and riding ability, damn right he should have won. But to anyone who is not from the Shore, that hardtail drop off of Digger's Rock looked less than 10 feet.

So very, very true.

[ryan]

Haye's had a bit of lolah footage too!!! how can you not like that:)

[dudski]

Originally posted by FullMonty
I voted for Ryan Hayes... It was kinda a toss-up between him and the guy from Nelson, but I think that, given the way this contest is going, Hayes' giant gaps at the end of the clip will help propel him into the next round.



only person i can agree with so far.........i really really don't like the other two vids just= same jump(s) or shitty shooting

[FullMonty]

Originally posted by ryan
Haye's had a bit of lolah footage too!!! how can you not like that:)

I hadn't noticed, but now that you mention it, some of that does look like LOLAH... The jump where he does a 1-footer or something.

[GNARLY MAN]

Originally posted by BiG D
and you voted for sage didnt you

nope:cool:

[UFO]

well, not to slag any of the riders this year. but the general impression i get thus far is that the quality of videos this year is down significantly from last year, i believe mainly as a result of raceface's new rules. this year, its more of a contest for the bro's, instead of finding the ultimate freeride video.

kind of like the debate whether professional nhl players should be competing in the olympics. for one, olympics are supposed to be for amateur athletes, but on the other hand, olympics are supposed to exemplify the cream of the crop, the best of the best.

[Broken Fusion!]

Geoff definitely should have won.

I think though, that Cameron Mccaul kid is going to win just because he can do MX stuff. It's big and the kiddies like it, and considering that kiddies probably make up more than half of who's voting... anyhow enough of that.

I hope Matt Hunter wins. He's an awesome rider and good guy as well.

[Loopie]

Ya.......it's a little disappointing to see so much DJ'ing......but hey, every bastard in there is goin' bigger than me.....so:lol:

But I agree with what's being said about the small screen and only having a few seconds........what else can you do? Get air....that's about it.

[Formulaphoto]

Getting air is fine IMO...you just need to make it MOUNTAIN BIKE air as opposed to lots of bmx dirt jumps. Nuthin wrong with DJ's...don't get me wrong, but mix it up with natural gaps, drops to trannie....basically airtime that flows as part of a trail. Mountain biking to me is all about flow and integrating other influences (bmx, snowboard, etc.) into a mountain setting.

[eye of the tiger]

Snowboarding:eek: thats a new 1 on me

[Formulaphoto]

Have you ever seen Ride To The Hills? That had plenty of snowboard influence in it. There is also lots of snowboard style in the mountain bike culture (not just in the tricks, trails, etc.) You can pull inspiration and ideas from any number of sports.

[counterpoint]

damn straight. I was going to mention that. How many snowboard vids do you see where you wish you saw more carving? And don't talk about big mountain lines because how often have most of you complained about the Kranked movies?

Quote from legend Damian Sanders: "Jumping is it. If you don't jump, this isn't your sport." I like to equate that with biking when it comes to free-riding. And finally to counter what Cam said about Ryan Hayes regarding if "he can do anything other than jump"... I don't recall anyone saying that about any Devun Walsh video part.

[scab12]

Dude those were gay that ryan guys goin to win this round

[Formulaphoto]

Originally posted by counterpoint
"Jumping is it. If you don't jump, this isn't your sport." I like to equate that with biking when it comes to free-riding.

I think there's a lot more to mountain biking ("free-riding") than just jumping. Perhaps in movies that's what people want to see...but there are ways to show the sport's other dimensions. I'd rather see someone clean a really technical fast section on video or a big mountain line (like the AK Mullet line in RTTH) than someone hitting a BMX dirt jump for bazillionth time.

[counterpoint]

i recall the mullet line having two monster airs in it...

I for one am a little sick of dirt jumps myself but like you said, mixing up all the airs is the key. And if the line to the air is gnarl, then that just adds to it.

[honch]

Hyaes owned...:P

[Rednecker]

Trevor Porter is a racer, not a free-rider, thats why he didn't go on to the next round, the third set of vids are all the same, they're all LAME ! which lame vid do i pic ?

[dudski]

alex woikin

[whisky shooter]

here is a link to my race face vid that didnt make the top 16.
http://ww2.kraan.net/videos/upload/...%20Muscroft.mpg