Ripper - Super D opinions wanted.

[cam@nsmb.com]

So James and I tested out a route variation for this year's Ripper.

We liked the tweak but we wondered what the masses might think. I'm not saying we'll listen to you but we would like to know what you thought of last year's course, what was missing, what you would add or subtract etc.

Too much climbing last year? Not enough? More time on the hill or less? More gnarl or less gnarl?

Please share it up good people.

Thanks,
Cam

[Chief]

i havent done a ripper before but i think i can make the super d and i am looking forward to the fun....yay
i dont mind some climbing.

[Hack On Wheels]

Last year was intense! Some nice and nasty twists with more than enough uphill, it was great! The lazy part of me says less uphill, but don't listen to him.

[SkunkworkS]

More gnar!

Bonus points for riding stunts as a team?

[rowdy01]

give us shuttle bunnies a "special" class of our own....we`ve earned that!

I`ll get a note from my "doctor" if i have to.....he`ll agree that i`m just way too outta shape to ride up a hill!

[Knight-Rider]

I really liked last year's course, but I didn't like the way it ended abruptly. I still had some beer to burn off. I think it should have ended at the old buck lot.

[DaveM]

If you make it any longer, Team Shuttlewhore will have bring in 2 mobile beer stands.

[LeeLau]

More climbing. Double the length

[heckler]

More climbing. Double the length

laps of seymour? up, down, up, down, up, down. :lol:

that's called the triple crown silly.

[connor]

More climbing. Double the length

yeah, most of the "climbing" was a push last year, at least on a Dh bike. I liked the length. Intervals were pretty good. I think the difficulty was pretty decent, I don't think you want to make it too burly to scare off some of the newer riders, like maybe not Dale's or Boogie.. I like longer though.

Super D on Fromme would be sweet too. Start at 7th or UOC, but no shuttles up.

[Rat]

I think you have to stay with the CBC - TNT but from there there are lots of options.

keeping with the death march/ DH theme I think Dirty Diapers - go back up neds into severed would be particularly nasty.

Top of Dales up the cut out road to the powerlines into Severed would be less nasty and more pedal friendly. I hate to put traffic on dales but the top 1/3 would be acceptable .

[shirk]

I didn't ride last years but my vote goes to more old school tech gnar and more climbing.


The race didn't finish at Old Buck as to not disturb the other mountain users. Goes with the whole low impact style of the Rippers.

[biggles604]

I think you have to stay with the CBC - TNT but from there there are lots of options.

keeping with the death march/ DH theme I think Dirty Diapers - go back up neds into severed would be particularly nasty.


I like the sounds of that. Evil, yet strangely compelling

[Splan]

I thought the course was punishing enough last year. I may have a different opinion if I had a smaller bike.

Keeping around the same amount of climbing with a different route would be pretty good in my books. I'm not apposed to more gnar, but as stated, the more novice riders may be scared away from the event(not the true spirit of the rippers).

[the Master Plan Dan]

I thought the course was punishing enough last year. I may have a different opinion if I had a smaller bike.

Keeping around the same amount of climbing with a different route would be pretty good in my books. I'm not apposed to more gnar, but as stated, the more novice riders may be scared away from the event(not the true spirit of the rippers).

Yeah I agree if the course becomes too difficult, then no one will ride it. Don't make it easy... but don't kill everyone that doesn't ride a lighter bike.

The event is supposed to be fun!

[ChunkyMonkey]

Super D on Fromme would be sweet too. Start at 7th or UOC, but no shuttles up.
That was the first Ripper.....for those who had the stones to solo it. :)

[thewwkayaker]

How about some aspects to the race that you "need" other people with you. Maybe force one member to change a tube part way thru the race (should be faster with another person), or lug a certain amount of rocks for trail building, or some activity requiring team members.

A good easy climb is to do Neds and finish on Hyanis (rather than closer to BottleTop) then over to the golf course trail which brings you back to Empress. For a longer ride everyone could then climb up Old Buck and the BP to do Pangor. If you don't want people on the short bit of road between Hyanis and whatever that "trail" is before the golf course trail everyone could ride the Bridal trail from Hyanis to get back.

[Rat]

How about some aspects to the race that you "need" other people with you. Maybe force one member to change a tube part way thru the race (should be faster with another person), or lug a certain amount of rocks for trail building, or some activity requiring team members.

A good easy climb is to do Neds and finish on Hyanis (rather than closer to BottleTop) then over to the golf course trail which brings you back to Empress. For a longer ride everyone could then climb up Old Buck and the BP to do Pangor. If you don't want people on the short bit of road between Hyanis and whatever that "trail" is before the golf course trail everyone could ride the Bridal trail from Hyanis to get back.


that would be an XC course IMO

[thewwkayaker]

CBC->TNT->Neds (or DD to Neds)->Hyanis->Golfcourse (now at Empress either finish or ...)->Old Buck->BP->Pangor

How is that XC?? It's actually easier than the SuperD last year (the "climb" from Hyanis to Empress via Golfcourse is far easier than climbing Fromme from the gate to 2nd switch). Going up Old Buck would just be for a longer (2nd) lap if desired.

[LeeLau]

I was joking and you're right. The triple crown is the climby course - keep the super D about the same.

I thought the course was punishing enough last year. I may have a different opinion if I had a smaller bike.

Keeping around the same amount of climbing with a different route would be pretty good in my books. I'm not apposed to more gnar, but as stated, the more novice riders may be scared away from the event(not the true spirit of the rippers).

[gotham]

Eager to do a second Ripper but not too sure of how the Super D differs from say the first ripper (Fromme) or from the "XC" route described by "thewwkayaker".

[Splan]

Will you be coming out to play for this one Lee?

We could have a route just for you buddy.

[Knnn]

I'm tempted but scared at the same time. Does anyone have a map of last years route?

[LeeLau]

Sadly - I'm coming out of kokanee glacier park the day before so it will probably be stupid for me to do so

[heckler]

or lug a certain amount of rocks for trail building, or some activity requiring team members.



I like the idea on an "team activity" mid way down the course.

TSW tiki-bar comes to mind, but rock-bitchin would be more appropriate

[heckler]

do it Knnn! Team Natural High! You and Ducati will clean up in the rock bitching contest.

[henry11106]

that doesn't sound too bad.

"quick team! drop your bikes and pile 5 8"+ rocks per person here!"

do it twice during the race for two colored flagging-tape tickets clipped to your bar or be disqualified!

[atb]

way too much climbing last year.

[thewwkayaker]

Last year:

cbc->TNT->(forget the name but it puts you in front of Neds - Cabin??)->Dales(first part)->Mushroom(uphill)->Corkscrew->Pangor->Slash(basically finish)

Climbs were mainly limited to the climb up Mushroom. Some flats and undulating parts.

SuperD requires some climbs otherwise it's a DH run which is very different.

[heckler]

a climb that's easier to actually pedal up instead of push up would be great i.e. old buck or bridal or the newly refinished BP

[Ducati]

Make the team building part of the race a DH wheelbarrow section, and I'm in. 60 lbs minimum rock load, & throw in some steeps and skinnies.

[the Master Plan Dan]

Make the team building part of the race a DH wheelbarrow section, and I'm in. 60 lbs minimum rock load, & throw in some steeps and skinnies.

I like the Wheelbarrow Idea... that is pretty neat!

HAHHAH... I could just see the result!

[notasslowasu]

CBC - TNT - Up Ned Atomic Rut Bin - Upper Dales - Up Mushroom - Up incline - Corkscrew - Pingu - up Baden Powel - C Buster - Bridal Path -

That might even it out for big bikes and XC/all mountain bikes.

[Silk]

Last years course was good I think to keep it the same for year #2 would be a good idea.

How about do what TSW did last year for a ride event.

Do a scavenger hunt on the mountain with bonus points in the form of time for people
who find items/landmarks.

[PT-Colin]

CBC - TNT - Up Ned Atomic Rut Bin - Upper Dales - Up Mushroom - Up incline - Corkscrew - Pingu - up Baden Powel - C Buster - Bridal Path -

That might even it out for big bikes and XC/all mountain bikes.

That would be a SUPER d COURSE!

[DaveM]

a climb that's easier to actually pedal up instead of push up would be great i.e. old buck or bridal or the newly refinished BP

I like that.

There has to be an advantage to those that can pedal their bikes uphill.

[Jon-boy]

That would make the course more fun for sure. I don't mind riding up as long as the trail is rideable.

[connor]

I like that.

There has to be an advantage to those that can pedal their bikes uphill.

and have more ladies out.. everybody knows Rippers are waaayyyy too much of a sausage fest..


That was the first Ripper.....for those who had the stones to solo it. :)

umm yeah, I came 26th.

I like the tire changing idea, although not if I'm running Tubeless, or riding with ATB.. (PUDDING!!!!)

How about making us patch a tube?? oh man punk kids wouldn't have a chance...

[connor]

Make the team building part of the race a DH wheelbarrow section, and I'm in. 60 lbs minimum rock load, & throw in some steeps and skinnies.

more like 600lbs for you, animal..

[gary j]

remember, it's not an XC race. it should be mostly about the DH portions with just enough up to keep everyone honest.

start at upper lot head up to power station, down-cbc-tnt-(maybe out to the top of the parking lot) neds-powerline pingu-up bp-severed-bridle-empress.

*i also really like the rock bitch idea

[connor]

that doesn't sound too bad.

"quick team! drop your bikes and pile 5 8"+ rocks per person here!"

do it twice during the race for two colored flagging-tape tickets clipped to your bar or be disqualified!

Henry, I'll trade you for ATB?? can you change a tube...oh you're running tubeless too....

[KenN]

CBC - TNT - Up Ned Atomic Rut Bin - Upper Dales - Up Mushroom - Up incline - Corkscrew - Pingu - up Baden Powel - C Buster - Bridal Path -

That might even it out for big bikes and XC/all mountain bikes.

Sounds a LOT like the old Hell of the North route!!

:damn:

Kn.

[Lady Gravity]

the route doesn't matter to me, all i want is for the tsw crew to drop a brewskie on their way by my marshall station :P

[gary j]

Sounds a LOT like the old Hell of the North route!!

:damn:

Kn.

what's old is new again

[Timmigrant]

I liked the course last year. I liked the trails and I liked the portions of uphill and downhill.

And I'm not a huge fan of the "Special Events" during the race personally (Fromme Ripper, Super D Ripper or CBC Ripper). I think those are better left for non-timed events like the Triple Crown.

[shirk]

I liked the course last year. I liked the trails and I liked the portions of uphill and downhill.

And I'm not a huge fan of the "Special Events" during the race personally (Fromme Ripper, Super D Ripper or CBC Ripper). I think those are better left for non-timed events like the Triple Crown.

None of the Ripper are "timed" events. The CBC dh is as close to a timed event as there is, but with the bonus time for stunts it makes you decinde between moving fast and getting the time bonus for a section.

[forest]

I think that it would be a good thing for Mt. Seymour as a whole to not run the races down lesser known/ridden trails. Last year tnt took a shit kicking from that race. I'd run it up and down the neds/pangors/boogiemans of the world and stay off the not so armored trails. Who knows if its going to rain or not. my 2 cents.

[heckler's better 1/2]

i liked last years course, for sure the push up was tiring but then again, a little fitness never hurts. In fact, one of my team members ended up pushing my bike up for me and telling me to just run.... now if that ain't teamwork I don't know what is!

[heckler]

I'd run it up and down the neds/pangors/boogiemans of the world and stay off the not so armored trails. Who knows if its going to rain or not. my 2 cents.


hear! hear!

[heckler]

the things I think about whilst trying to get to sleep:

do a Super D - similar to the Vegas themed Triple Crown, except on 1 mountain.

there is no marked course, but it's a scavenger hunt for the best poker hand. The more up and down you do, the more cards you can collect. But you can only drive up once at the beginning.

There is a 3 hour time limit, and a map is provided to every team that shows locations for check points. The check points are designed such that you can only get to 3 of them by doing a straight downhill run. You must climb to get all 5 of your cards for a poker hand.

You cannot exit the Mt. Seymour trail system (i.e. to catch a shuttle back up). Checkpoints at each exit will have a volly to sign you out of the race whereever you hit pavement. The exit volly will also mark down your poker hand for confirmation at the after party. If you don't exit the trails within 3 hours, you're disqualified from the results.

put volunteers on various trails (2 vollies per location) to hand out playing cards. They couldn't be at trails intersections, because you need to ride the trail to get the card. The vollies would have to ride in too.

oh yeah - it's a team event, so all 2 or 4 members must arrive at each checkpoint together.

just a thought at 2 AM... Maybe use it next year. :)

[Timmigrant]

None of the Ripper are "timed" events. The CBC dh is as close to a timed event as there is, but with the bonus time for stunts it makes you decinde between moving fast and getting the time bonus for a section.
The Super D last year was timed. Thats how the placings were determined. Ripper #1 was mass start, but times were still recorded. CBC was all based on times and ridden stunts.

[connor]

the things I think about whilst trying to get to sleep:

do a Super D - similar to the Vegas themed Triple Crown, except on 1 mountain.

there is no marked course, but it's a scavenger hunt for the best poker hand. The more up and down you do, the more cards you can collect. But you can only drive up once at the beginning.

There is a 3 hour time limit, and a map is provided to every team that shows locations for check points. The check points are designed such that you can only get to 3 of them by doing a straight downhill run. You must climb to get all 5 of your cards for a poker hand.

You cannot exit the Mt. Seymour trail system (i.e. to catch a shuttle back up). Checkpoints at each exit will have a volly to sign you out of the race whereever you hit pavement. The exit volly will also mark down your poker hand for confirmation at the after party. If you don't exit the trails within 3 hours, you're disqualified from the results.

put volunteers on various trails (2 vollies per location) to hand out playing cards. They couldn't be at trails intersections, because you need to ride the trail to get the card. The vollies would have to ride in too.

oh yeah - it's a team event, so all 2 or 4 members must arrive at each checkpoint together.

just a thought at 2 AM... Maybe use it next year. :)


That would be awesome and hilarious.. could we dress up like pirates and "pillage" other teams "Booty".. Yarrr...

[Splan]

That would be awesome and hilarious.. could we dress up like pirates and "pillage" other teams "Booty".. Yarrr...

Now yer thinkin'!

But Stay away from my teammates 'booty'... :lol:

[heckler's better 1/2]

The Super D last year was timed. Thats how the placings were determined. Ripper #1 was mass start, but times were still recorded. CBC was all based on times and ridden stunts.

True there is a clock, but the person with the best time isn't always the winner. At the last race (7th Secret) the crowned winner was Shirk...he finished 35th.

Placing and winning are two different things at the Ripper after parties ;)

[the Master Plan Dan]

That would be awesome and hilarious.. could we dress up like pirates and "pillage" other teams "Booty".. Yarrr...

Yeah that would be sweet.... I want my name to be...Iron Jack of the Baltic... I have to go and get a sword!

Now yer thinkin'!

But Stay away from my teammates 'booty'... :lol:

HAHhahahahahaha...

[shirk]

Bonus point if co-ed teams stop for 'booty' mid race?

[stinky_rider7]

Bonus point if co-ed teams stop for 'booty' mid race?

:shhh: Shhhh, that's supposed to be a surprise so that we get full rep for being original.

[heckler's better 1/2]

Bonus point if co-ed teams stop for 'booty' mid race?

Does it have to be with a team member ? Or can you pick and choose ?

[shirk]

Does it have to be with a team member ? Or can you pick and choose ?

Double extra bonus points for females that just pick some random stranger from another team. Oh and remember little Skunkworks is only 16 so that might get someone in trouble with the law.

[taprider]

Bonus point if co-ed teams stop for 'booty' mid race?

Why co-ed? Isn't that a sexual orientation discriminatory comment that can get you banned from the board? After all what about shuttlefags

[stubz]

what ever gives me more time to film people coming down!

[heckler's better 1/2]

Editedwhat ever gives me more time to film people going down!

[SkunkworkS]

Double extra bonus points for females that just pick some random stranger from another team. Oh and remember little Skunkworks is only 16 so that might get someone in trouble with the law.

Is Sasquatch really an illegal sight?

[Marvel]

Yeah that would be sweet.... I want my name to be...Iron Jack of the Baltic... I have to go and get a sword

I got that pink sword for you.

[the Master Plan Dan]

I got that pink sword for you.

I told you to keep that a secret between you and I.

Thanks for the Beer! Stella is my best friend!

[nouseforaname]

hijack/back on topic/...

CBC - (onto the road) - Corkscrew - Salvation - Pingu - Pangor - Lower Boogyman - Empress - Up Old Buck to finish on Horse Loop (maybe by the top of Empress?)

That route is more than pedally enough to justify its status as a Super D. These events are supposed to be more pedally than a DH course, not a more gnarly XC course IMO. The shore is pedally enough for a team with a mid travel bike like a Nomad/SX and the skills to win it.

[the Master Plan Dan]

hijack/back on topic/...

CBC - (onto the road) - Corkscrew - Salvation - Pingu - Pangor - Lower Boogyman - Empress - Up Old Buck to finish on Horse Loop (maybe by the top of Empress?)

That route is more than pedally enough to justify its status as a Super D. These events are supposed to be more pedally than a DH course, not a more gnarly XC course IMO. The shore is pedally enough for a team with a mid travel bike like a Nomad/SX and the skills to win it.

Neat idea but we can't go on the road.... logistically... and for safety reasons we can do that. We even are going to have a few marshal's on the road to stop people that want to park on the side of the road.

[connor]

Neat idea but we can't go on the road.... logistically... and for safety reasons we can do that. We even are going to have a few marshal's on the road to stop people that want to park on the side of the road.

well you don't ride on the road, you ride on the gravel on the opposide side of the barricade..

[nouseforaname]

^^ Thats what i meant, its not really a trail, but a bike path.

[Oldtimer]

How about this?

Start at bottom of Ol Buck, up to Pangor, down to Bridle, back up to Boogie,
down to Bridle again, one more trip and finish with Severed and Empress
Re-Route, finish at the start.:idea:
Kind of a mini triple.

[Smoke]

I haven't even read the thread, but.......down CBC, TNT, Dirty Diapers, up Neds, down dales (all the way), up the Powerlines, down C-Buster, and finish on the Bridle Path in the same place as last year.

I thought last years course was too easy...

[synchro]

I haven't even read the thread, but.......down CBC, TNT, Dirty Diapers, up Neds, down dales (all the way), up the Powerlines, down C-Buster, and finish on the Bridle Path in the same place as last year.

I thought last years course was too easy...

personally i don't like the idea of sending a race all the way down dale's.

[Hack On Wheels]

Yeah, and I don't think Dales would go over well with everyone. Not to mention I can think of a few spots that could be really sketchy if there were other people around due to the difficulty of riding them clean and all that. Keeping the race to technical trails that most people are used to would be a better bet in my opinion.

[LeeLau]

That's why we're going to run it down salvation!

Sharon.

[synchro]

That's why we're going to run it down salvation!

Sharon.

word was last year you wouldn't do it because of the "liability" issue and no ride arounds.

[Sharon]

word was last year you wouldn't do it because of the "liabilit" issue and no ride arounds.

I'm not a director anymore!

let'em RIP!

Sharon.

[heckler]

Up Salvation? That's a great idea! Feel free.

[Smoke]

For you guys who don't wann race Dale's, it was the official race course for the Hell of the North at least 3 times,and maybe as many as 5 times. I even won a Canadian Single Speed title on Dale's one year.

up Old Buck, up the Incline, down Mushroom and down Dale's, up the Powerlines, and down the Dick.

Pro's had to do it 3 times, Sports twice, and Citizens and SS one lap.

And you guys are afraid to do one shuttle style lap down it.......

[synchro]

For you guys who don't wann race Dale's, it was the official race course for the Hell of the North at least 3 times,and maybe as many as 5 times. I even won a Canadian Single Speed title on Dale's one year.

up Old Buck, up the Incline, down Mushroom and down Dale's, up the Powerlines, and down the Dick.

Pro's had to do it 3 times, Sports twice, and Citizens and SS one lap.

And you guys are afraid to do one shuttle style lap down it.......

more a question of a high level of traffic on the trail. back in the hell days, ridership on the shore was relatively low compared to today.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Smoke: did you intend to post that in this thread (http://bb.nsmb.com/showthread.php?t=15304)?