Cove Riding Club...Its on!

[Cove Bike Shop]

2007 COVE CLUB MEMBERSHIP

The Cove Club membership is $49.99 for individual and $79.99 for couples (spouse or family member only). The member must be 19 years of age or older.

Your membership includes:

* Unlimited participation in group rides, lead by first-aid trained ride leaders.

* Regular season club rides from April to September.

- Wednesday night rides
- More nights to be added soon

* Insurance while at the club rides.

We will meet at 7:00pm on Wednesday at the NEW Cove location at 3728 Mt Seymour parkway, rides will be either a shuttle or climb depending on participation.

Call for dates for our first ride!

PLEASE CALL CHAZ AT OUR NEW LOCATION 604 985 2222 FOR MORE INFORMATION

[SIDESHOW]

hmm no replies...... bump.

[Axl]

spouse or family member only

If I consider it my spouse, or part of my family, would a goat be included in the couples deal with me? She's great at climbing, and mounting.

Seriously though, I wish I was in Van. I would sign up cause I've heard great things about the Cove rides in the past.

[stinkydlux07]

sounds sweet, id join if i wasnt so far out and the right age, when are you guys gonna update your website?

[switch900]

any new news?

[KenN]

Wow, amazingly similar wording to http://nsride.com/member-overview.htm right down the the same spelling error.

I mean seriously, is it that hard to write something original?

Kn.

[Couch_Surfer]

right down to the same spelling error.


:lol:

[Bryce]

Wow, amazingly similar wording to http://nsride.com/member-overview.htm right down the the same spelling error.

:lol: maybe nsride just tags onto the Cove Club?

How many shuttle rides are there and is there a set schedule? I'd be into it if it were worthwhile for the shuttles but, as I recall, this whole thing fell apart last year. I wouldn't fork over $50 unless I was guaranteed a certain amount of shuttle days. I like Fromme and all, but I can pedal up for free

[KenN]

:lol: maybe nsride just tags onto the Cove Club?

Or maybe not ... NSRide was incorporated in Dec 06 and the website's been up since January. Saturday rides have been held monthly since January and regular weekday rides are in full swing since April 1. How could a club that just announced its existence on April 5 just happen to have the same intro text? How could NSRide "tag" along on a club that didn't yet exist?

Hey, if anyone else wants to start a club then it's a free world, go for it. Just don't steal somebody else's ideas. That's lazy and stupid.

Kn.

[Axl]

Or maybe not ... NSRide was incorporated in Dec 06 and the website's been up since January. Saturday rides have been held monthly since January and regular weekday rides are in full swing since April 1. How could a club that just announced its existence on April 5 just happen to have the same intro text? How could NSRide "tag" along on a club that didn't yet exist?

Hey, if anyone else wants to start a club then it's a free world, go for it. Just don't steal somebody else's ideas. That's lazy and stupid.

Kn.

Cove Club didn't just announce its existence - it has been around since 2005 (http://www.outdoorvancouver.com/clubs/cove_club.aspx).

[KenN]

Cove Club didn't just announce its existence - it has been around since 2005 (http://www.outdoorvancouver.com/clubs/cove_club.aspx).

Oh, my bad. In that case, it's okay to steal others' ideas.

Kn.

PS: yes, that's sarcasm. Plagiarism remains plagiarism, regardless of the surrounding facts. And it's damn low.

[nouseforaname]

Hey, if anyone else wants to start a club then it's a free world, go for it. Just don't steal somebody else's ideas. That's lazy and stupid.
Kn.

UH HUH. How is Pedals and Pints going this year? Face it, there is nothing original, and if you want to talk about credit - give it where its due. Which in case you're wondering is not to you as "originators" or anything close to it.

You are piggybacking your whole club off work that was done by other people. Dont try and pretend that it is original, or that you - or your club came up with it. Just because you can type badly dont give yourself airs.

[KenN]

UH HUH. How is Pedals and Pints going this year? Face it, there is nothing original, and if you want to talk about credit - give it where its due. Which in case you're wondering is not to you as "originators" or anything close to it.

You are piggybacking your whole club off work that was done by other people. Dont try and pretend that it is original, or that you - or your club came up with it. Just because you can type badly dont give yourself airs.

How can you so completely miss the point? Two paragraphs of text are copied from the NSRide website, word for word. And I repeat, even the same spelling error is repeated. That is rude, to say the least and at worst, it borders on illegal.

You're harping on about who originated the concept of a club, and which club originated from where, when the point is entirely about a string of text!

Kn.

[nouseforaname]

No, merely pointing out that people who live in glass houses perhaps should not own slignshots.

[KenN]

No, merely pointing out that people who live in glass houses perhaps should not own slignshots.

Very well, I accept your challenge. Rather than making sinister implications, name one instance where NSRide has copied text from another source without permission.

Kn.

[nouseforaname]

This is not the appropriate place for this.

Apologies to the Cove for crapping up this thread unecessarily.
I look forward to the success of the new club. The ideal location for a shop ride (straight from the store to the mountain to the store..).

Good luck - see you on the trails.

[KenN]

This is not the appropriate place for this.

Hmmm ... yes, impeccable logic. The thread where copied text is located is definitely the wrong place to discuss copied text.

Still waiting for a response to that challenge ...

Kn.

[Couch_Surfer]

Ken - you've obviously pissed off the Cove fanboys.

Cove - good luck on the club. More clubs and supporting riders is always a good thing.
But next time, might I suggest you don't plagiarize - that's just lazy weak sauce bullshit.


*EDIT* and yes - this is the appropriate thread in which to discuss this.

[NooNer]

so if cove fixed the typo it wouldnt be plagarisim would it? seriously who gives a flying fuck?

[Lady Gravity]

so if cove fixed the typo it wouldnt be plagarisim would it? seriously who gives a flying fuck?

while i don't agree with the language, i agree with the sentiment.



come on guys, just drop it, you're being silly.

[KenN]

while i don't agree with the language, i agree with the sentiment.

come on guys, just drop it, you're being silly.

You should ask Lee if he thinks being concerned about theft of intellectual property is just being silly ...

http://bb.nsmb.com/showthread.php?t=87508&

Kn.

[Lady Gravity]

You should ask Lee if he thinks being concerned about theft of intellectual property is just being silly ...

http://bb.nsmb.com/showthread.php?t=87508&

Kn.

i hardly think a write up describing what is offered by a riding club is described as "intellectual property" :rolleyes: at least not in the same vein as using photos. it's not as if they copied a thesis or exam.

[bansheeair]

If I was involved in a group that organized a riding club or such, I would try to make it different then the other offerings...then there would be no need to copy text. Variety people, we need more variety.

[KenN]

i hardly think a write up describing what is offered by a riding club is described as "intellectual property" :rolleyes: at least not in the same vein as using photos. it's not as if they copied a thesis or exam.

You have the right to form your own opinion, however Canadian copyright law is quite clear:

http://strategis.gc.ca/sc_mrksv/cipo/cp/copy_gd_protect-e.html#2

"Copyright applies to all original literary, dramatic, musical and artistic works. Each of these general categories covers a wide range of creations. Here are just a few examples:

* literary works: books, pamphlets, poems and other works consisting of text and computer programs;

* dramatic works: films, videos, plays, screenplays and scripts;

* musical works: compositions that consist of both words and music or music only (note that lyrics without music fall into the literary works category); and

* artistic works: paintings, drawings, maps, photographs, sculptures and architectural works."



Kn.

[Axl]

Give me a break!

A work has to be original to be protected by copyright, and the highest court in the land says that:

"...an original work must be the product of an author’s exercise of skill and judgment. The exercise of skill and judgment required to produce the work must not be so trivial that it could be characterized as a purely mechanical exercise."

CCH Canadian Ltd. v. Law Society of Upper Canada, [2004] 1 S.C.R. 339, 2004 SCC 13. (http://scc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2004/2004scc13/2004scc13.html)

My view is that bullet point wording used to describe membership for a club involves no exercise in skill and judgement. It is trivial and unoriginal. It is a mechanical statement of the facts - ie. the conditions and benefits of membership.

If the real beef is that the underlying model for the club is similar (which is what I'm reading between the lines), then tough... welcome to the free market economy!

Anyway, who cares about all this. We're all riding and we're all having fun. The more clubs the better. And the more competition the better, at least for the riding public! I'm done with this thread. I'm going for a ride.

[Lady Gravity]

If the real beef is that the underlying model for the club is similar (which is what I'm reading between the lines), then tough... welcome to the free market economy!

that's kind of what i'm reading from this as well. so whoever did the cove writeup was lazy - fine. move on. don't they say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?

[KenN]

If the real beef is that the underlying model for the club is similar (which is what I'm reading between the lines)

Oh yeah, that's definitely it. Guess I've been busted!

Hey, if anyone else wants to start a club then it's a free world, go for it.

Or maybe spend more time reading the lines than between them?

:kiss:

Kn.

[coverider18]

what?? over 19 that sucks....

[Axl]

Hey, if anyone else wants to start a club then it's a free world, go for it.

Saying that is one thing, being perturbed about competition is another, and the latter is what I've been gathering from the heated reaction to this thread.

In any event, I am now in a zen state, having just returned from a glorious ride. I wish all clubs the best for the season. Have a good time out there no matter what club you're with!

[schoenrock]

That is rude, to say the least and at worst, it borders on illegal.

shit, finally a cool club exists.
i'm joining this one, it sounds like i'll fit right in.

cove rulz

[heckler]

^^ and that's the beauty of it all! There's a place for everyone in "as the shore turns"

[shorelocal]

With all the exposure the Cove Club is getting in this thread, maybe I should go check it out.