Selling to the wrong buyer

[Jaysin]

So I sold my hardtail to a gentleman in Kamloops. He was buying it for his 11 year old son. I met them at Monte Lake near loops and the kid test rode it, as well as the dad, and loved it. They handed me the $550 (yes, I know I got rid of it so damn cheap) and all was said and done, it was a great transaction between both of us.

Last night he called me and told me that after his son had been riding the bike a tid, the chain skips.... When they test rode it, they had said nothing about the chain problem, and to my knowledge, it was running fine.

He mentioned he looked over the derailler, and said that all the parts were shot. That was definately news to me, as it ran fine the last time I had it out in Nov.

Now he's saying that if its over a $50 bill to get the rear end replaced, he's going to want his money back. Is that complete horseshit or what? It ran fine by me, I listed it as good running condition, and a used sales, is a sale, no?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but once he gave me the cash, isnt the bike now his problem?

[Wayne P]

Not your problem. Was there a bill of sale?

[TheRob]

Yep, and as a Dad he should know better.

[Jaysin]

Not your problem. Was there a bill of sale?


Unfortunately not, an "as is" sale receipt is always nice, but it slipped my mind.

[Zedbra]

The cash is yours. I've had a few others try the same thing with me on parts I have sold for dirt cheap - after I have mentioned how abused they were - hence they were dirt cheap. Used is buyer beware.

[dirty deeds]

yeah, it's horseshit. The kid probably whacked the rear D and bent the dropout.

[Jaysin]

yeah, it's horseshit. The kid probably whacked the rear D and bent the dropout.

exactly what I had said to the gentleman! In response; "I can move the derailler hanger with 2 fingers"

[the Master Plan Dan]

Not your fault. Kid broke it and is too afraid to tell his Dad!

Dan

[DaveM]

Used bikes are 'as is". If he wants warranty he should have bought new from a shop.

Drivetrain parts are considered consumables. If he doesn't replace it now, it'll need it within a year anyways.

[Jaysin]

and the kid got this bike, for $550, pretty fuckin cheap if you ask me, its got a very good spec, and runs perfect!

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[DaveM]

How can it skip when there's no chain or derailleur?

[TheRob]

It doesn't even have a chain and the guy is complaining about the derailler?

[dirty deeds]

... or even a hanger.

too funny.

[Lady Gravity]

buyer beware...once it's sold, it's sold. things break on used bikes as you can never tell how much life is left on a part. i'd pretty much tell the guy that once he paid you the money, it's his responsibility.

[SEKTER13]

Man thats pretty low, considering the great deal you gave him. Derailleurs just break, the kid probably banged it up. You owe them NOTHING bro.

[shorelocal]

I had the same thing happen to me.

I sold my Kona Stab to some kid from 'squish and less than a week later I rec'd an email from his mother stating the shock was blown. They wanted me to foot the bill for the repairs ... I pushed back and told them it was sold "as is". Long story short, they ended up taking the bike to a different shop in 'squish and that shop confirmed it wasn't blown, just not adjusted properly. I guess the kid went out riding, fiddled with the knobs, took it into a shop where they stated it was blown.

If it had come down to them demanding money, they woulda been SOL.

[sanrensho]

"Sorry, it was working fine when I sold you the bike. I never had a problem with it."

End of conversation.

[XXX_er]

guarenteed to the curb as/is where is unless of course you have a different agreement .A bill of sale with the s/n is always a good idea cuz after all you ARE doing business

[heckler]

agreed, performance of the drive train isn't a refundable thing for a used bike.

The tires were kicked in the parking lot, and buyer beware.

Now, had you knowingly sold a bent frame without sharing that info, I'd expect a refund (and I did get a refund when I pointed that out to the seller of the bent frame I once bought).

[pump]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but once he gave me the cash, isnt the bike now his problem?


Whenever you sell anything, there is a mutual contract implied. Like going into a restaurant, if you get crappy food, you can refuse to pay. They "inspected" the bike right? And then they paid for what they saw. meaning,
- They were happy with what they saw(thus paid)
- They bought the item as they saw it.
to be quite honest, selling a bike for 550, i think that implies, that 1. this bike is old, 2. It's a steal.
So i think you don't need to give them anything back.

[Kye]

You don't owe them anything.

[cdn_rider]

heckler is right ... the frame bent the fork just done or cracked or a crack in the frame you should do something about that.... drivetrain disc brakes tires wheels etc etc etc ... buyer Be Wear ... this also leads to the same thing tho you gave it to them in good condition they ride it once mess up, the fork cracks or frame bends and they want there money back .... hell no .... Jaysin $550 for the bike looks like a steal .... for $50 more there still walking away with it

[nouseforaname]

How long elapsed between selling the bike and getting the call?

[Jay T.]

his problem, the kid could have touched the barrel adjuster, or bent the hanger, little tweek in either or both will mess up the shifting. secondly it didnt do it at the time of sale, and they test rode it so they are shit out of luck, thats something you bring up before giving the cash, not after unless it is from a reputable bussiness

[Jaysin]

How long elapsed between selling the bike and getting the call?

5ish hours....

And for the record, the chain was on it, with a derailler when I sold it to him :fu:

[cameron]

dont worry about it jaysin, its his problem.

and 50$ to fix it? welcome to the bike business.

[Uncle Duke]

those forks are worth almost 3 hun alone.

[schoenrock]

show him your tribal tattoo or tell him you love him and he'll never mess with ya again.

[Uncle Duke]

lol.

[nouseforaname]

5ish hours....

And for the record, the chain was on it, with a derailler when I sold it to him :fu:

Huh, the way i see it - not having been there or knowing either party - 5 hours is pretty reasonable. I think the solution would be to ask him to take it to a "good" bike shop to find out where the problem lies. If it was the kid, the shop will find out. If it was pre existing, i feel that an offer of good will - say go halves on the parts OR the labour, would be the "right" thing to do. IMO.

Now if he'd called up a couple of weeks later, then no worries, tell him to get lost, but 5 hours....

[NooNer]

tell him to go fly a kite then hang up the phone. buyer beware, its not your fault that they're idiots.

[leggatt]

Not your problem. Stuff breaks. The dads pretty cheap. he got a great bike at a great price, so he has to put 50 bucks into it.

[Jerry-Rig]

tell him you'll take the bike back if he brings it back to you and then sell the bike for $600. I bet he won't go for it. He spend $30 on gas and 4 hrs of his time.

[freakonaleash]

Better yet, buy it back for 500.

[schoenrock]

just tell him that its a norco and its quite common for them to be shite.

j/k :lol:

[XXX_er]

I once sold a guy a Karmann Ghia and the engine caught fire about a day later which was actualy great for him cuz he got a major tuneup for a 50$ deductable .

I offered to split the 50$ with him cuz I'm nice but he wanted me to pay the whole 50$ so I said stuff it

[coverider18]

yeah no way should you give any of his money back, sale is as is.
he looked over the bike when he bought it and didn't notice. if it was broken when you sold it to him he should have looked closer

[XXX_er]

as long as you didnt misrepresent anything you are ok

BTW nobody here accepts cheques right?

Cash or bank drafts only period eh ?