Canyon bikes

[thewalrus]

Interesting designs... the FRX 9.0 somewhat resembles a Transition bottlerocket. Never seen one in Canada.

http://www.canyon.com/eurobike2006/mtb2007-e

http://www.canyon.com/eurobike2006/mtb2007/torque-frx-series.jpg

[yoonior]

German bikes. Never seen in real life but have seen some tests in German mags. Have one of them at home (Freeride Magazine.de) I could scan it for you but it's in Deutsch...

According to this test the bike was so-so (it was Torque FRX bike with DHX Air) as far as I can remember...

Found some info on this forum
http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=182493

Design differs quite a lot from Bottlerocket, Canyon seems to be some sort of FSR bike, and with more travel. Also linkage is placed differently.

[Znarf]

hi,
Canyon sells their bikes through mail order only, they design their own frames, order them in big numbers in Taiwan, buy containers of bling parts (at a cheap price, because they buy so much) and then put them on their bikes and sell them for cheap.

BUT they do change their frame designs radically every year. Completely new frames every year, what´s the point? Either they suck and they make something "better" and then the following year, they realize that the frames suck again...

They are quite nice, in the XC segment they get good ratings. Because their bike are all X0 and XTR and have FOX forks and shocks. That´s when the competition specs Deore or LX for the same price.
And 100mm frames can´t be THAT bad, because most XCers tend to spend most of their time on broad fireroads.

But I´d stay away from their bikes. They don´t offer any service through LBS.
You have to send your bike to them, when your derailleur needs to be tuned (if you can´t do it yourself)

They sell boatloads of their lighter bikes.

The "big" bikes and Enduros often have problems with rear tires hitting the seattube at full travel, extremely falling rate design (on the Torque, the bike on the picture).

The guy who designs the frames is LUTZ SCHEFFER, he was one of the founders of VOTEC and is quite famous. What doesn´t mean he´s super competent or not. I don´t know him personally.

The frames are complete Taiwan standard though, no nice CNC parts. No whatsoever. But word is, that they work for JOE Average.

I personally wouldn´t get one, at least as long as I don´t have a family and need to spend my money on food or diapers. But if that happened and I had no other chance to ride a bike, I would get one :S

Greetings Znarf

[zahgurim]

I took a quick look at them while in Germany. Nothing special. If you are looking at them to have something different from everyone else, there are so many better frames out there. For instance, the new BeOnes are out, and are looking nice with a new design.

[pete]

There really is nothing wrong with a bike being made in Taiwan. Infact their facilities are the worldwide standard for manufacturing. The same factory that made those Canoyon bikes could have made high end specializeds giants or konas.

[zahgurim]

Sure, the factories could have made others, but that
has nothing to do with a poor design.

A factory will make whatever you ask them too, as long as it's paid for.

[zahgurim]

Ha!

Got neg-repped for that! ^ "ignorant"


Nothing ignorant about my comment. I have no problem with Taiwanese frames.
Read the reviews on them. Have you seen one up close, or played with one? I have.
It's true, a factory doesn't care about or test a design, as long as it's paid for. We aren't talking about the build quality from the factory, we are talking about the design.

Do you like riding falling-rate duallys? Or do you work for the company, designing that crap? If you did, would you admit it?

Your comment is the ignorant one...

[pete]

Okay...

So I was reading a knolly thread before this one, and someone commented on how "nice" the knolly welds were.

I assumed he was making a comment on the asthetics of the weld, because I doubt there are many welding inspectors on this board.

I then made a post commenting on the welds and the fact that a machine made weld is often no less strong or pretty than a human made weld.


Then I read this.

The frames are complete Taiwan standard though, no nice CNC parts. No whatsoever. But word is, that they work for JOE Average.

That reminded me of the weld comment, so I decided to remind people that a frame made in Taiwan would actually be made in a factory with more bike manufacturing experience than one in North America (possible exception Rocky's factory, but even they don't see the through-put of a taiwanese factory).

Then you reply with:

Sure, the factories could have made others, but that
has nothing to do with a poor design.

A factory will make whatever you ask them too, as long as it's paid for.

You are taking my neutral comment and reading it as support for the Canyon bike. That is ignorant in my opinion because you didn't spend enough time to try to understand my post.

I'm Pete and I'm here to help. Have a nice day!

[zahgurim]

I assumed...

Don't assume things. You know the saying...


I understood your post completely. --> "Man'fs in Taiwan have the ability to build good quality frames."
Nobody mentioned their country of origin as a negative...

I think you didn't understand mine... Don't be so quick on the trigger, these are discussion boards, so feel free to discuss things before jumping to a conclusion. Nothing wrong with a good debate.

I still stand by my original post. They could have an average/nice/beautiful construction job, but a poor design that is well made is still a poor design. The factory's job is not R+D, they just build to the specs provided to them.

[schoenrock]

That reminded me of the weld comment, so I decided to remind people that a frame made in Taiwan would actually be made in a factory with more bike manufacturing experience than one in North America (possible exception Rocky's factory, but even they don't see the through-put of a taiwanese factory).

a fanuc rj3(robot) with a welding head can weld to an accuracy of .002" and it can maintain a constant temp while applying the weld.
man cannot come no where close to welding capabilities that a machine can provide.
the only problem with taiwanese made frames would be the inconsistencies that are present in the metals they use. not just bike frames but all metals in general, asia cannot produce quality metals for as low as we can.

[pete]

I'm sorry, are you trying to make your self look exactly as I described you in my above post? You don't get it do you?

That comment I just quoted is the same thing I neg reped you as ignorant for.


Lets go over it again:

I say:

Okay...

So I was reading a knolly thread before this one, and someone commented on how "nice" the knolly welds were.

I assumed he was making a comment on the asthetics of the weld, because I doubt there are many welding inspectors on this board.

I then made a post commenting on the welds and the fact that a machine made weld is often no less strong or pretty than a human made weld.


Then I read this.


And then you say:

Don't assume things. You know the saying...



This is the same basic problem. I was assuming in a different thread, yet you didn't read the whole thing I wrote and brought the small phrase in out of context.

[thewwkayaker]

Are those bikes using a Horst linkage?

Giant makes Specialized bikes (owns the manufacturing site that creates the bikes, no reference to the design). Would there be a problem with the metal quality of Giant and Specialized bikes since they are manufactured in Taiwan?

[thewalrus]

Are those bikes using a Horst linkage?

Giant makes Specialized bikes (owns the manufacturing site that creates the bikes, no reference to the design). Would there be a problem with the metal quality of Giant and Specialized bikes since they are manufactured in Taiwan?

Giant also owns 78% of the stock in a taiwanese factory that translates as "CarbonTech", they make carbon road frames for a dozen different euro and north american brands...

The Scott CR1, Addict, Cervelo SLC, SLC-SL, R3, R3-SL are all made in the same factory in China (Ten Tech Composites). I think this factory may also make the Scott Ransom frame.

[imbbus]

I see these bikes almost every day. Altough they are high end equiped, there value is the same as their price: it's low. Nobody gives nothing away for free, right?

I was able to ride on a 2006 Torque. The rear end bottomed out regularly (with the sag adjusted as it should be). :crazy:
The welds: have seen better.
Tubes: plane, no hydroforming.
Rear end design and structure: dissaster. Plus there are no CNC or cold forged parts.

It's best to forget Canyon exists. Sorry.

[Mic]

They are sponsoring Bobby Root, the infamous dude with the "balloon lady" in nwd2, i think. :lol:

[yoonior]

Bobby Root, AKA "The Wheelie König" :D

[Mic]

Bobby Root, AKA "The Wheelie König" :D

:werd: