Hope Pro2 or Hadley DH

[Atomik]

Hi Guys,

Iam looking for a pair of new hubs for my new build (05 Atomik) and I cant decided between the Hope Pro2's or the Hadley DH hubs. The fronts will both be 20mm and the rear's will be 150x12mm. So if there is anybody out there that has used or had experience will these hubs could you please explain the pro's and con's of them.

Thanks.

[Nelson]

Hadley for sure. Best service and warranty in the Biz....

[NooNer]

another vote for dual hadley

[Desloc]

I own Hadleys.

The rear Hadley has 72 engagements points. This is accomplished by using 4 pawls(2 offset) to engage a 36point freehub body. The hub had been solid and fairly quiet. Adjustments are easy to make and parts and service through Hadley are top notch... although they are the only mountain bike component company that I know of that chooses not to have a website ;)

The Pro2 has 24point freehub body using 4 pawls. This in theory should be 'stronger' than a Hadley per say. It won't hurt your pocket book as much as a Hadley and people that are running them seem pretty content. Oh, and they are super loud :) As far a service goes the Canadian distributor is http://www.nrgenterprises.com/ located in Nelson, BC. I know Dan at OnTop runs them and I believe they service them there too.


Des

[xy9ine]

i've owned hadleys & hopes; build quality & durability were pretty similar. the hopes are cheaper & lighter, so i'd lean in that direction.

[synchro]

order the hadley's online from universal cycles in portland, they have pretty good pricing on them

[Chief]

Hadley!!!!!!

[Uncle Duke]

hadleys are a bitch to service.

nobody has parts locally, you have to order from hadley in the usa.then you have to find a shop w the right tools. I have hadley rear hub and when it went kaput it took me months to get it back on the road. I know some guys are big fans, and when they work they work good, but maintaining them can be an expensive drag.

[skifreak]

Norco can get some hadley parts from what I understand.

[Uncle Duke]

when I called norco they gave me the number for hadley. hadley replacment parts thru norco are expensive. the parts to service my hub cost me $100usd, this was before the doller dropped so it was like $130 and the the labor was $60. so like 2 hun to service my hub. norco wanted 2x as much for the parts.

susie at hadley didnt want to ship parts direct, but then I told her jonny z had done it so she hooked me up.

all of this only took 2 months.

[NSTP]

I go Hope it is one of the lightest 12 x 150 hubs your can buy, with a solid freehub system, and good bearings and seals. The hadleys are expensive, and a pain to re-build with harder to find parts. I would buy a DT 440 before the hadley. They are simple light, strong and durable.

[synchro]

hadley cust. serv. seems to be second to none tho. i know of quite a few guys who have been sent rebuild kits at no cost. hoe can you go wrong with that?

[biggles604]

when I called norco they gave me the number for hadley. hadley replacment parts thru norco are expensive. the parts to service my hub cost me $100usd, this was before the doller dropped so it was like $130 and the the labor was $60. so like 2 hun to service my hub. norco wanted 2x as much for the parts.

susie at hadley didnt want to ship parts direct, but then I told her jonny z had done it so she hooked me up.

all of this only took 2 months.
All you need is cone wrenches and a pin spanner. I can re-build my rear hub in under half an hour!

[sicklines.com]

Hadley's are so easy to work on, See tutorial here (http://www.sicklines.com/tech/howto/hadleyoverhaul/) if you want to see just how easy it here. Two tools as biggles604 said.

[HIBuLlitT]

I got hadleys front and back. The front I've had for three years, changed the
bearings twice and it's like new each time. Just got a rear 72pt, was quite, now
I have a swarm of bees following me everywhere. It's more loud after they warm
up. I wear a ff all the time so not too bad for me :fu:

I love the 72pt, had 36pt on my last hub, didn't like it. Especially on skinny stuff
when I need to ratchet the cranks.

[Uncle Duke]

they are def sweet hubs when they are running, I will have to step it up and get on the maitenance factor.

[HIBuLlitT]

^I got my front hub used, the previous owner did no maintanance what so ever.
I had some major play when I went to Whistler two years ago and it took the
guys at fantykco over an hour just to get the bearings out. Now I get them
replaced once a year (when I visit Whistler;-).

Even the best anything in the world will die if you abuse it and don't keep it
up.

[Uncle Duke]

^without a doubt.

I didnt think I had abused my hadley rear hub. I bought it new, but did ride it a lot in lots of BC coastal winter conditions. I think 1x yr you need to take it apart and service it. which I have no problems with. it would be better if the replacement parts were easier to buy.

[HIBuLlitT]

I bet if you greased your hub at least once a year the only thing you'd need to
buys is bearings and they can be got at any bearing supply. I don't see the
pawls breaking too often. Maybe order a pawl set and seal sock it away for
when you need it?

[Tonestar]

Check out the WTB LaserDisc Super Duty hubs, they are a great bang for the buck, light and are serviced locally in North Van.

Front 20mm - 185grams - $175 Can
Rear 150 x 12mm - 305grams - $360 Can

www.wtb.com

[biggles604]

Check out the WTB LaserDisc Super Duty hubs, they are a great bang for the buck, light and are serviced locally in North Van.

Front 20mm - 185grams - $175 Can
Rear 150 x 12mm - 305grams - $360 Can

www.wtb.com

WTB has great customer service, but I built a 12x150 super duty up for a friend and the freehub seized within 2 months, it was a known problem and they supplied all the parts for a rebuild, so it should be a decent hub now. Having worked on this hub and the hadley, there is no quality comparison at all, the Hadley wins.

[Tonestar]

WTB has great customer service, but I built a 12x150 super duty up for a friend and the freehub seized within 2 months, it was a known problem and they supplied all the parts for a rebuild, so it should be a decent hub now. Having worked on this hub and the hadley, there is no quality comparison at all, the Hadley wins.

I agree the Hadley wins in design/performance, but it also wins in $$$$$$. If you don't have the bucks to spend on the Hadley or King, thie WTB is a good alternative at a good value.

[Tonestar]

WTB has great customer service, but I built a 12x150 super duty up for a friend and the freehub seized within 2 months, it was a known problem and they supplied all the parts for a rebuild, so it should be a decent hub now.

As far as I know, the older WTB (2005 and older) hubs had some seal problems, they made changes to the seal system and the 2006 model was money, no issues with it.

[HIBuLlitT]

Check out the WTB LaserDisc Super Duty hubs, they are a great bang for the buck, light and are serviced locally in North Van.

Front 20mm - 185grams - $175 Can
Rear 150 x 12mm - 305grams - $360 Can

www.wtb.com
If you're going to spend $360.00 cn, then spend the extra 50-75 and
get the best. I've spent more money not getting the best, trying to save
a buck here/there than had I just saved up and bought the best to begin
with.

Buy Hadley, I picked up my hadley rear 72pt 12X135 for $270.00 us from
go-ride. Even with exchange rate thats still cheaper than the $360.00 cn
for wtb. Hell even a CK is only $400.00 us.

Go reeeeeeal cheap and replace often or spend the money, the difference
in how it feels is huge.

[Desloc]

http://www.dropnzone.com/Products.cfm?Cat=14

$255US. Allen's 15 minutes from the Peace Arch and no duty. Under $300 CAN is a pretty decent price.


Des

[HIBuLlitT]

^3 pawl is 36pt engagement

[atb]

i love my wtb hubs. there light, have 6 pawl's. i just got a 150x12 super duty, and i had a 12x135 laser disk light for last season. you dont even need eny tools to rebuild it.

[Desloc]

^3 pawl is 36pt engagement

He just hasn't updated his website. Hadley, as far as I know, only sells 72pt. The 108pt is history and the 36pt is special order.


Des

[sicklines.com]

He just hasn't updated his website. Hadley, as far as I know, only sells 72pt. The 108pt is history and the 36pt is special order.


Des
I'm pretty sure Desloc is correct

[synchro]

As far as I know, the older WTB (2005 and older) hubs had some seal problems, they made changes to the seal system and the 2006 model was money, no issues with it.

and bearings. the freaking ID on the bearings of their front 20mm hubs are slightly too small so you have major pains trying to get an axle through the hub.

[Bryce]

whats the difference between a good front hub and a bad one? I've had Formula, DT, CK, Shimano (non 20mm), Foes, Ringle and they all just kept spinning. In terms of developing play, the cheapies held up just as well as the expensive ones, if not better. Is a 20mm front hub not just a body with sealed bearings squished in the sides?

[biggles604]

whats the difference between a good front hub and a bad one? I've had Formula, DT, CK, Shimano (non 20mm), Foes, Ringle and they all just kept spinning. In terms of developing play, the cheapies held up just as well as the expensive ones, if not better. Is a 20mm front hub not just a body with sealed bearings squished in the sides?

Tolerances. That's the only real difference. I have a formula that I consider excellent, the bearings press in easily and the internal spacer is a perfect fit. I've worked on Formula hubs that had the bearings so tight they were being crushed and never ran smoothly, and I've also seen internal spacers that were too small causing sideload on the bearings. The big problem with cheaper hubs is the bearing failure rate will be higher.

[duke420]

Hopes are dope

[synchro]

Check out the WTB LaserDisc Super Duty hubs, they are a great bang for the buck, light and are serviced locally in North Van.

Front 20mm - 185grams - $175 Can
Rear 150 x 12mm - 305grams - $360 Can

www.wtb.com

where can i go to get my front 20mm hub serviced?