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Who outside of the US is making great big hit DH machines?
I'm not into Rocky. I like Norco but their quality is very much on the low side. What other options are out there?
I'm riding Giant for now and will for a little longer but I loath the US and don't like my hard earned cash supporting their economy and shit policies. Problem is I fear they are the best at bike building.
freerider888
11-30-2006, 03:15 PM
Orange. Maybe a Cove Shocker. Devinci. Those are my favorite non-American.
smoochy
11-30-2006, 03:16 PM
Banshee
Dark cycles
Devinci
Knolly
is Balfa Canadian?
Commencal
Orange
i thought your frame was warranti-able? and isn't Giant tiawanese, not US based?
wait until Chromag comes out with their dually this summer, that's money you can spend...
Max
DaveM
11-30-2006, 03:26 PM
Who outside of the US is making great big hit DH machines?
I like Norco but their quality is very much on the low side.
Can you give a bit more on this? What is low quality on Norco's DH line? Is it the X.0 components, the Hadley stuff, or what?
Bryce
11-30-2006, 03:32 PM
Nicolai
Versus
Morewood
Commecal
Keewee
Banshee
Dark cycles
Devinci
Knolly
is Balfa Canadian?
Commencal
Orange
i thought your frame was warranti-able? and isn't Giant tiawanese, not US based?
wait until Chromag comes out with their dually this summer, that's money you can spend...
Max
Max, my frame is warranti-able and I'm going to grab a glory, I actually like Giant quite a bit. They are built in Taiwan but they are designed and owned by the US. Kind of like Norco. I'm actually just looking at future DH replacement and I'm looking for a nice all-mountain ride 6"/6" for DJ and 4X hopefully this summer.
As for the Norco comment well Max you pointed out that things have changed with their quality. I don't really have any specific complaints I just feel that other brands have better welds, bearings, etc. Norco equipment is far better value though I'd say. I'm a little out of the loop on build quality for the last few years though so I might be talking shit. LOL
Chris
Geologyboy
11-30-2006, 03:41 PM
I am confused as well, what makes Norco low quality? They aren't a designer brand, and they do offer low end bikes, but the team DH can compete with the best of them.
I am confused as well, what makes Norco low quality? They aren't a designer brand, and they do offer low end bikes, but the team DH can compete with the best of them.
See above. I'm probably wrong on the Norco comment...if we're talking their high end stuff.
fitchy
11-30-2006, 03:52 PM
Can you give a bit more on this? What is low quality on Norco's DH line? Is it the X.0 components, the Hadley stuff, or what?
no shit eh it must be the fox dhx 5.0 or just maybe the saint brakes
no shit eh it must be the fox dhx 5.0 or just maybe the saint brakes
Was commenting more on their frames than components but is there a problem with the fox rear shox? Saint brakes?
connor
11-30-2006, 04:09 PM
mmm SUNN..
http://www.sunnbicycle.com/fichiers/rad019.jpg
connor
11-30-2006, 04:10 PM
Can you give a bit more on this? What is low quality on Norco's DH line? Is it the X.0 components, the Hadley stuff, or what?
Chris King headsets, those things are garbage..
DaveM
11-30-2006, 04:18 PM
Was commenting more on their frames than components but is there a problem with the fox rear shox? Saint brakes?
I think he's being funny.
So what's low quality on their DH frames? They've got a pretty solid reputation and an awesome warranty.
If you're going to throw out blatant unqualified bs comments, be prepared to back them up.
smoochy
11-30-2006, 04:21 PM
easy guys, Jah's just been out of the loop for a few years. i'll let him stroke the torrent and he'll come 'round.
I think he's being funny.
So what's low quality on their DH frames? They've got a pretty solid reputation and an awesome warranty.
If you're going to throw out blatant unqualified bs comments, be prepared to back them up.
Jeesh read above I admit I don't know everything and was probably wrong on all fronts.
One thing I will stand by when it comes to Norco their quality 2002 and earlier was inferior to say Giant...that includes the VPS1. Of course they don't use bushings now in their frames and I'm sure they have continued to improve. In all honesty I will probably end up riding Norco again, I used to own a VPS.
easy guys, Jah's just been out of the loop for a few years. i'll let him stroke the torrent and he'll come 'round.
Yeah I haven't been an active MTBer since 2002. I was too busy screaming along on the TRX450R and sleds out in Ontario.
Yeah I haven't been an active MTBer since 2002. I was too busy screaming along on the TRX450R and sleds out in Ontario.
Don't worry, people here are just used to people that were careless about what's going on and asking stupid question. All our "e-friendliness" has gone down. In your case, welcome back and enjoy the new Norco lines:
www.norco.com
Norco is a totally different company since 02. I love my 05 DH to death (well, for the price I paid, but still yes.)
shorelocal
11-30-2006, 05:32 PM
Just a little input from moi ...
I have heard from an insider at Giant Canada that they did not have a single frame warranty issue on the '06 Glory's in Canada last year.
As for Norco, I know a couple people who rode the DH and needed to get frames replaced under warranty for cracking.
Who cares what components are on the frame if the frame needs to consistently go in for warranty replacement. I haven't tallied up the numbers, but it's not uncommon to see "brand new frame just back from warranty" on a Norco DH ad in the Buy & Sell. Same goes for the Cove Shockers this year ... lots of bikes in the Buy & Sell have "brand new frame[s]".
Madman
11-30-2006, 05:52 PM
There are soo many options,
Just check out the Reviews on MTBR.com even though they are kind of pointless because most people are biased some of the reviews are really good.
My choice would be the 07 Norco A-Line park edition, Why Norco? because they listen to their customers feedback, they are reliable bikes, and they ride great. you really cant go wrong with Norco to be honest.
07 A-line park edition..
http://www.norco.com/2007bikes/images/bikes_enlarge/20_1.jpg
Uncle Duke
11-30-2006, 05:58 PM
One thing I will stand by when it comes to Norco their quality 2002 and earlier was inferior ...
who cares ?it's nearly 2007.
not to be bashing but it was a BS comment you made..
duke420
11-30-2006, 07:11 PM
Who outside of the US is making great big hit DH machines?
I'm not into Rocky. I like Norco but their quality is very much on the low side. What other options are out there?
I'm riding Giant for now and will for a little longer but I loath the US and don't like my hard earned cash supporting their economy and shit policies. Problem is I fear they are the best at bike building.
You mean you would give up your ride just because its american designed. Well just think of our shit policies when your ridin on something you don't really want....get over it..JAH..smoke some sour diesel or Kush and clear your head buddy.8)
Incorrigible
11-30-2006, 07:21 PM
I can somewhat agree with you on the bike philosophy, and used to race a BB7, but I decided I wanted the BEST, and ended up paying more for an M3, made in California. I have not regretted it, and if I sell my 2005, I will buy a 2007 (it's a shop thing). Although the Cove Shocker looks and rides pretty nice...
Also, I was always under the impression that although a lot of Giant design stuff is in the States, it was a Taiwanese company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_Bicycles
that sunn is soooo hot. a Commencal is one of the only other bikes i might consider riding.
or just get a turner dhr, or a sunday there hot too.
but i also like the cove shocker. and it's canadian so that works.
Smoke
11-30-2006, 08:18 PM
hey man,
I understand where you're coming from, but there's more than one kind of American. The ones that are making bikes are the good kind....
Santa Cruz and Transition are a couple of companies from the lower 48 that are worthy of your left wing hippie trust units.
That being said, there's an awful lot of non-US stuff that's worthy.
I've been trashing the shit out of a Cove Shocker all year, and I haven't even replaced the shock bushings. That's a first.
If money is no object, then grab a Knolly or a Nicolai. Nicolai is usually the most overengineered product in all of bikedom, and it looks worth every Euro.
I'm not as stoked on the Orange as other people on the boards. It seems a whole lot of money for a single pivot, and they have a horrifically long wheelbase.
biggles604
11-30-2006, 08:50 PM
easy guys, Jah's just been out of the loop for a few years. i'll let him stroke the torrent and he'll come 'round.
That would explain it then. I have had an '00, '01, 03 and now an '06 VPS, and I have to say, the 00 and 01 had some quality issues, but the 03 is still going strong, and the 06 (Six) is definitely up there in the quality and attention to detail. Norco has definitely had a struggle convincing people that they are a high end manufacturer I think, but the last 2-3 years, they have easily got their quality in terms of manufacturing and build kit up there with the other large scale manufacturers.
dudski
11-30-2006, 09:27 PM
http://buysell.nsmb.com/showproduct.php/product/4631
coughcough....handbuilt in canada, lifetime warranty and gets in its groove around sixty km...not too shabby of a bicycle.
freakonaleash
11-30-2006, 09:45 PM
Balfas canadian. Good bikes. Fast :)
connor
11-30-2006, 10:30 PM
that sunn is soooo hot. a Commencal is one of the only other bikes i might consider riding.
or just get a turner dhr, or a sunday there hot too.
but i also like the cove shocker. and it's canadian so that works.
atb + Commencal adjustable head tube = bad times..
DaveM
11-30-2006, 10:56 PM
atb + Commencal adjustable head tube = bad times..
ya but atb + anything other than sherman tank = bad times.
He should check out that Dark Cycles Scarab. Locally made of steel. At least he could just take it back to the shop in Burnaby and get it welded when he breaks it.
big ben
11-30-2006, 11:07 PM
I loath the US
ur smrt
NOM4D
11-30-2006, 11:25 PM
i have the same problems with canada, and wanted a fur hat. i had to go russian, but the quality just isnt there. go figure.
Bowen
11-30-2006, 11:31 PM
i have the same problems with canada, and wanted a fur hat. i had to go russian, but the quality just isnt there. go figure.
Damon, but you look so great in the Russian fur hat.
ya but atb + anything other than sherman tank = bad times.
He should check out that Dark Cycles Scarab. Locally made of steel. At least he could just take it back to the shop in Burnaby and get it welded when he breaks it.
the part that broke on my dhr was like an inch shorter then on all the other dhr's i'v seen. so it's not entirely my falt. if i had been riding a medium frame it mostlikely wouldnt have broken.
rmx's are nice too. the quality of the cnc work on rocky frames is very high. trust me i know.
NOM4D
11-30-2006, 11:37 PM
Damon, but you look so great in the Russian fur hat.
http://www.howsmycycling.com/gallery/25%2013-05-03%20Tibet%20fur%20hat%20in%20Chinda.jpg
i know, i've been tanning alot.
sampo
12-01-2006, 02:16 AM
Cove Shockers are lurvely...
No issues with mine either, smooth as silk.
There's only one path out of ignorance...ask lots of stupid questions.
For those who called me out...8) It's all good. I'm glad people are stoked on Norco and feel strong about it. I like the company.
I honestly thought that Giant was a US start...fuck got that wrong. In fairness my DH Comp came with US flag sticker on it. Also in fairness I'm a little cocky and cocky people tend to fall now and then. :rocker: I'll sleep a little better riding my Glory...also glad to hear they aren't breaking.
I agree that there are some kickass US companies and people but until the states backs off on this war on terrorism BS I'm trying to keep my money out of their tax coiffeurs.
I appreciate all the suggestions and I'll certainly be looking at all options when I'm tired of the Glory.
Uncle Duke
12-01-2006, 10:24 AM
i get bitchy about the norco bashing. but it is all personal pref. try one out , you will be stoked, a shore frame will handle a lot of different trails.
:)
i get bitchy about the norco bashing. but it is all personal pref. try one out , you will be stoked, a shore frame will handle a lot of different trails.
:)
Cool.
Well I'm off to brag about the superiority of the PC to all the Mac users out there...
Tonestar
12-01-2006, 01:30 PM
I think he's being funny.
So what's low quality on their DH frames? They've got a pretty solid reputation and an awesome warranty.
If you're going to throw out blatant unqualified bs comments, be prepared to back them up.
Maybe he just doesn't want a Norco, but I guess he could have said that.
It always makes me laugh how when people talk about quality frames ,right away someone starts to talk about the spec. The spec has nothing to do with frame quality, if I take a crap frame, spec it well put a cheap price on it, people will jump all over what a good value it is. The frame is the most expensive part of the whole bike, other parts are much easier to replace and upgrade as they break. I would always choose frame over spec first, then change parts or replace them as they break.
Maybe he just doesn't want a Norco, but I guess he could have said that.
It always makes me laugh how when people talk about quality frames ,right away someone starts to talk about the spec. The spec has nothing to do with frame quality, if I take a crap frame, spec it well put a cheap price on it, people will jump all over what a good value it is. The frame is the most expensive part of the whole bike, other parts are much easier to replace and upgrade as they break. I would always choose frame over spec first, then change parts or replace them as they break.
I agree the spec has nothing to do with the frame. Part of me was being a bit mischevious...I wanted to see the reaction to negative comments about Norco. Maybe I want to be talked into buying one...it's a mute point with my current bike cuz I'm about to get a brand new frame and I'm happy with that. That frame will only last so long though and I want people's opinions. I also need a nice 6/6 bike as a second...
DaveM
12-01-2006, 01:56 PM
I also need a nice 6/6 bike as a second...
You should check out the Norco Six :D
You should check out the Norco Six :D
I definately will thanks.
biggles604
12-01-2006, 02:10 PM
I definately will thanks.
I'll second the Six, it's changed the way I feel about riding. Interesting side note; I traded my Six for a Nomad with the same specs as mine on a ride to see how it felt. Both of us forgot that we had swapped bikes, they feel so similar it's not funny!
zahgurim
12-01-2006, 02:19 PM
Balfas canadian. Good bikes. Fast :)
I could be wrong, but wasn't Balfa sold to their former British distributors, so no longer Canadian?
And the guys formerly known as Balfa are now Appalache?
ur smrt
SMRT i am so smart!
SMRT i am so smart!
SMRT i am so smart!
Oh and fuck you and your illegal war!!!
Dom@nsmb.com
12-01-2006, 02:46 PM
I could be wrong, but wasn't Balfa sold to their former British distributors, so no longer Canadian?
And the guys formerly known as Balfa are now Appalache?
Yes, yes, Ugh and not exactly!
ProCycle cleared the Balfa left over inventory by selling to the UK distributor.
Jerome Desjardins(engineer), one of the Balfa's founder now runs Appalache Cycles
Hugo Bardou(engineer), one of Balfa's founder now runs Cycles Xprezo.
As for Fred Monast(welder extraordinaire), Balfa's heart and soul he is out of the bike bizz...but he'll be back.
Yes, yes, Ugh and not exactly!
ProCycle cleared the Balfa left over inventory by selling to the UK distributor.
Jerome Desjardins(engineer), one of the Balfa's founder now runs Appalache Cycles
Hugo Bardou(engineer), one of Balfa's founder now runs Cycles Xprezo.
As for Fred Monast(welder extraordinaire), Balfa's heart and soul he is out of the bike bizz...but he'll be back.
I didn't jump on the Balfa bandwagon but a lot of folk in the Comox Valley were running them when Dodge City Cycles was a dealer. Never heard anything bad about the BB7 besides weight.
Wayne P
12-01-2006, 03:16 PM
Dom, that avatar of yours is scaring me. Could I have a wallet size?
....and Dom the former main head honcho at Balfa ;) now co-owns Yodo Distribution. Balfa was a dynasty.
SMRT i am so smart!
SMRT i am so smart!
SMRT i am so smart!
Oh and fuck you and your illegal war!!!
I'm thinkin' you're about 13 maybe 14 and just a little idealistic. At least that's how you sound in this post.
big ben
12-01-2006, 05:24 PM
SMRT i am so smart!
SMRT i am so smart!
SMRT i am so smart!
Oh and fuck you and your illegal war!!!
the US has had a tough history that ultimately led to one of the most free countries on earth, not to mention the US and Canada being extremely interdependent on each other, but I guess that counts for nothing. keep on "loathing" us, you're not gonna find much company here. oh, and your random swearing speaks more about yourself than it does of the US.
big ben
12-01-2006, 05:25 PM
I'm thinkin' you're about 13 maybe 14 and just a little idealistic. At least that's how you sound in this post.
sadly, he's 31 according to his profile...
really sadly
Uncle Duke
12-01-2006, 05:29 PM
bahabahahahahah
cmon sometimes the internet gets a guy..besides I bet he is all baked..
Midas
12-01-2006, 05:39 PM
if anyone knew their ass from a hole in the ground they would say sunn, orange, commencial and intense and turner even though they are american that shouldnt matter beucase i would base my purchase desision on the builders and quality of the bike no who is running their country.
Uncle Duke
12-01-2006, 05:39 PM
You should check out the Norco Six :D
I have an 05 six. very sweet bike.
duke420
12-01-2006, 08:55 PM
if anyone knew their ass from a hole in the ground they would say sunn, orange, commencial and intense and turner even though they are american that shouldnt matter beucase i would base my purchase desision on the builders and quality of the bike no who is running their country.
A fucking men.
Look at a Canfield brothers F1 or Balance. I hear they are going to introduce the "Lucky" frame, and its going to fit the freestyle bill.:rocker:
drummer_dil
12-01-2006, 09:17 PM
Brodie
HIBuLlitT
12-01-2006, 09:18 PM
I'll second the Six, it's changed the way I feel about riding. Interesting side note; I traded my Six for a Nomad with the same specs as mine on a ride to see how it felt. Both of us forgot that we had swapped bikes, they feel so similar it's not funny!
I bet your bike felt a lot heavier from all the money you didn't spend on it ha!
the US has had a tough history that ultimately led to one of the most free countries on earth, not to mention the US and Canada being extremely interdependent on each other, but I guess that counts for nothing. keep on "loathing" us, you're not gonna find much company here. oh, and your random swearing speaks more about yourself than it does of the US.
you guys still suck though. fess up.
biggles604
12-02-2006, 10:12 AM
I bet your bike felt a lot heavier from all the money you didn't spend on it ha!
No, I made sure I dumped the remaining money into a widescreen TV. Didn't want it weighing me down on the trails :)
Shaker666
12-02-2006, 12:17 PM
My riding buddy's a Brodie diehard and I've got to admit that they're good bikes. I really like their freeride hardtails... excellent value for the performance. I've never seen any of my friends break a Brodie frame either, but that's obviously depending on your riding style.
Personally, I'm a big fan of Devinci. I know there's a few other Canadian handbuilt framemakers, but Devinci's probably been doing it the longest. I had never heard of them until I moved to Vancouver (gimme a break, I used to live in Tucson, Arizona - 60 miles north of the Mexican border). 2 of my friends bought Devincis - a Remix 3 and the last year of the Magma. I wasn't too impressed with the frames at the time, but after riding with them for a few years I was sold. I just got an Ollie and it was between that and a Turner frame for me... the Ollie is a much better piece of hardware, IMHO. AND, it's Canadian!
I wouldn't buy a frame that couldn't be locally serviced either... so I'd say the European stuff is out of the question for me if there's no local servicing/dealers.
The SMRT thing is a quote from the Simpsons. I'm surprised noone got that.
I get that some of you guys don't care where your money goes, I care where my money goes. Different strokes for different folks.
As for not getting sympathy in my anti-american sentiment...wow you have no clue. This site has little sympathy for the US and their problems.
I would gladly see Canada give up free trade with the states and move towards joining the European Union...like I say the US sucks. :fu:
Not only am I 31 I also have years of training and experience in the military as an officer...you won't find anyone more critical of the US breaking the Geneva conventions then us soldiers (current and ex).
mudpuppy
12-02-2006, 02:13 PM
I am from the states originally and agree that I am not fond of the current situation down there....but this is a biking site...so if you are looking for a good 6/6 bike...look at the Giant Reign or ReignX...SEXY bikes, as well the Transition Covert or Preston bikes kick ass.
Shaker666
12-02-2006, 02:15 PM
Why are you turning this thread into a forum for your political opinions? You have no idea what kind of people are on this forum, where they're from, what their backgrounds are, etc.; exercising some tact and restraint might be prudent. I'm an American that used to design weapons systems for the military and I've got some staunch opinions too. Not in this forum, though.
biggles604
12-02-2006, 04:28 PM
I actually can see his point, and to me it becomes clearer every day. I am not sure that I would go as far as boycotting american bike manufacturers about it, but I certainly won't ever step foot into a Wal-Mart.
Straw
12-02-2006, 05:16 PM
....and Dom the former main head honcho at Balfa ;) now co-owns Yodo Distribution. Balfa was a dynasty.
Still loving my 02 Minuteman!
big ben
12-02-2006, 08:08 PM
whatever, the canadians on this forum are extremely naive about their own country's virtue compared to the US.
I'd like to know how many canadians would seriously prefer the US to be wiped off the map. I have a feeling you wouldn't have much company, Jah. and if you did they'd be pretty thoughtless. let's face it, you'd go down in shambles pretty quickly.
ya join the EU, great idea. the union that consists of all the colonizing countries you accuse the US of being like.
Johnie P
12-02-2006, 08:17 PM
I wouldnt want to see the US wiped off the map,I would Just like to watch the US government burn in hell.
duke420
12-02-2006, 08:19 PM
Not only am I 31 I also have years of training and experience in the military as an officer...you won't find anyone more critical of the US breaking the Geneva conventions then us soldiers (current and ex).
Jah I take that back your not worthy of the Sour Diesel or Kush, more like brown ragweed. As far as military goes, Canada is a soft power You sit back do nothing but bitch bitch and bitch and point your finger at what other countries should do, when all you do is nothing.:fu:
Johnie P
12-02-2006, 08:27 PM
Duke420 you are so right.I think Canada should step up and go kill tens of thousands of people.We just dont kill enough here.
OH ya the thread I like the shocker myself
big ben
12-02-2006, 08:32 PM
Duke420 you are so right.I think Canada should step up and go kill tens of thousands of people.We just dont kill enough here.
OH ya the thread I like the shocker myself
no, but if something like, oh, say, a genocide happens, you can't really do much about it.
contrary to canadian belief, there are good reasons for intervention.
Johnie P
12-02-2006, 09:05 PM
By genocide do you mean what the American Government has been doing to many countries for years and years,Cause ya that would suck.
big ben
12-02-2006, 09:09 PM
if your country is so noble why haven't you cut off ties with us? or gathered an army to end our supposed genocide? canadians, once again pointing fingers from your neutral position doing nothing but complain about everyone else.
Johnie P
12-02-2006, 09:18 PM
Not everyone,not evan Americans just the American government.
Do you need a hug?Im there for you dont worry.
big ben
12-02-2006, 09:25 PM
listen, I'm not here to defend the american gov't about every decision they've ever made. you couldn't find anyone who knows me who'd say I'm some Bush loving conservative, but I hate it when canadians act like we do nothing for you. our president has made embarassing decisions, but don't act like you'd want us wiped off the map for crying out loud (not you johnie p but others).
HIBuLlitT
12-02-2006, 09:42 PM
wow! so much hatred.
us gov-world police, does what it wants no matter what (under bush, clinton not so bad)
Canadian gov-harp seals, and I think you're in Afganistan too, oh arm and arm w/ us and mid and low frequency sonar testing (I see the canadian ships here testing)
China-no civil rights nuclear power
Taiwan-sweat houses young kids etc
Guys, settle down, this is a mtb website. There is a nbr section for this kind of
shit. Both our governments have treated first nation people like shit, you supply
us with a whole shit load of oil and wood (yeah I know don't even go there). We
make a lot of other shit you use too. To be arguing over this crap is crap.
Buy a bike from where ever you want for what ever reason, just remember
that it is a global economy, and if you want to be high and mighty, think about
where that computer you are using came from and where the software is made.
:rolleyes: Don't be so naive.
duke420
12-02-2006, 10:52 PM
wow! so much hatred.
us gov-world police, does what it wants no matter what (under bush, clinton not so bad)
Canadian gov-harp seals, and I think you're in Afganistan too, oh arm and arm w/ us and mid and low frequency sonar testing (I see the canadian ships here testing)
China-no civil rights nuclear power
Taiwan-sweat houses young kids etc
Guys, settle down, this is a mtb website. There is a nbr section for this kind of
shit. Both our governments have treated first nation people like shit, you supply
us with a whole shit load of oil and wood (yeah I know don't even go there). We
make a lot of other shit you use too. To be arguing over this crap is crap.
Buy a bike from where ever you want for what ever reason, just remember
that it is a global economy, and if you want to be high and mighty, think about
where that computer you are using came from and where the software is made.
:rolleyes: Don't be so naive.
Right you are. But if it were'nt for this forem I would of had no idea that alot of canadians feel this way towards the US. And you know what that really fucking sucks because I like Canada.
Wayne P
12-03-2006, 07:13 AM
Wasn't this about bike frames???
HIBuLlitT
12-03-2006, 08:08 AM
Right you are. But if it were'nt for this forem I would of had no idea that alot of canadians feel this way towards the US. And you know what that really fucking sucks because I like Canada.
duke, not very many countrys like the us government policy, I haven't met
too many people that actually hate americans, including canadians. Some
people can't recognise the difference between the government and its people.
And yeah wayne, it was about bike frames that aren't from the us.
Wayne P
12-03-2006, 11:24 AM
Countries not liking US foreign policy? Geez, let's hear something new. That hasn't changed in many years. Just watch american news/media and see how into themselves they are. No offence yanks, but its true.
James_315
12-03-2006, 12:12 PM
So far, this thread has insulted the following people/groups:
-Americans
-Canadians
-Norco owners
-Jah
-More Americans
-Russian fur hats
-Mac users
-The Simpsons (I think)
-WalMart
-the American Government
I think that's pretty damn awesome. I won't get involved in that mess, but as for non-American frames, I've been riding the same Devinci (8-Flat) since '04 and I'm pretty sure it's going to last forever. The only problem I have is that it's made by a bunch of damn Frenchies on the East Coast....
Incorrigible
12-03-2006, 12:34 PM
He wants a bike made elsewhere than the US. Big deal. I think he has enough info now. BTW, I think the Devinci's have a lifetime warranty on the frame and one year on the pivots. I know a lot of guys who have done very well on them.
duke420
12-03-2006, 12:49 PM
Orange (killer)
Cove
Banshee
Nicolia
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HIBuLlitT
12-03-2006, 02:20 PM
Countries not liking US foreign policy? Geez, let's hear something new. That hasn't changed in many years. Just watch american news/media and see how into themselves they are. No offence yanks, but its true.
[watch out rant to follow]
Large countries w/ large populations tend to toot their own horns in the press.
Don't like it don't watch, next thing your going to complain about is all the sex
on tv (change the channel). Don't watch US media, I don't...that said:
The us has given in foreign grants and credits (as of 2003 latest figure):
$23,662,000,000.00 most of that to mid/far east and africa
Foreign military aid:
$5,967,000,000.00
Economic aid:
$14,937,000,000.00
Much of the above $$ is disaster relief. No other country contributes and helps
as much as the US. That's the US I pay taxes for, not the one in Iraq. Odly
enough, that number seems to go down during democrat presidencies and up
during republican presidencies. Maybe the extra money the republicans spend
makes them feel entitled to govern the rest of the world.
People have a tendency to "forget" the good things people do and focus on
the bad. Even Canada has been a recipient of US foreign aid. I was happy
to see the national guard when hurricane Iniki devastated our island.
Yeah, Bush has spent entirely too much of our $$ on this war in Iraq, should
have finished the job in Afganistan first. Yeah, bush is a arrogant, ignorrant baffoon.
He'll be gone soon (please?).
Sorry for the rant, but not everything the US does is bad. And not all
americans do bad things.
What has the Canadian government done about civil rights abuses in many
canadian owned mining camps around the globe (nigeria, ecuador, etc) for starters?
All governments are bad.
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely".
[/end rant]
If you're that "pc" concerned, buy a Nikolai, Germany has a great foreign policy,
awesome environmental policy, trade policy, human rights policy, they even
allow you 1 beer for lunch by law, no speed limit and they aren't killing people.
The bikes are built like a tank, don't know how they ride though and a bit $$$.
When I grow up I want to be Canadian, then the world can bask in my perfection:rolleyes:
If you're that "pc" concerned, buy a Nikolai, Germany has a great foreign policy,
awesome environmental policy, trade policy, human rights policy, they even
allow you 1 beer for lunch by law, no speed limit and they aren't killing people.
I don't know, 70 years ago they (Germans) were bad people. Has the time limit expired on there exploits? Hey I know, Lets ask the Canadians!
HIBuLlitT
12-03-2006, 02:46 PM
I don't know, 70 years ago they (Germans) were bad people. Has the time limit expired on there exploits? Hey I know, Lets ask the Canadians!
I'm not trying to make this we're better than them thing. I was just trying to
point out the naiveness of some of the non-american people (we call ourselves
"americans" not because we're arrogant, but because "usaians", "united states
of americans", "u.s.ians" just don't sound right.
I was not attacking anyone, I just wanted to try and educate the less "informed"
members of this board that the Canadian media is biased as well and ALL of
our politicians use rhetoric to further thier political ends.
Bashing each others nationality here does no one any good. It serves no
purpose. It only furthers bias and ignorance as well as fosters ill-will in
a place where we all have a common interest and can share discourse with
each other and argue about things that really matter. Like, weather or not
ilandboy is really brianpark reincarnate, if pink really is the new black, and
other such things.
Yeah- I know your right HIBuLlitT! To all the Canadians I may have offended, I appologize.:couple:
Wayne P
12-03-2006, 03:23 PM
I for one love the US. Without them the world would be a very boring place. I'm sure you can take some ribbing right? Just make fun of us for our igloos, the word toque, and saying "aboot".
duke420
12-03-2006, 04:22 PM
Yeah- I know your right HIBuLlitT! To all the Canadians I may have offended, I appologize.:couple:
I feel the same way, If I have offended any of My North American neighbors I'm sorry I think all of us get caught up in the momement. I know I'm going to get bashed for this, this is just heresay from guys I ride with and have been around for awhile but I was told NICOLIA is junk, stick with a devinci or when Karpeil gets his shit together that would be my first non-american choice.
big ben
12-03-2006, 05:26 PM
for the record, I too love canada. my rants were about naive people not all canadians. nothing much to make fun or canada for, best skiing AND biking? frankly I'm jealous.
if your country is so noble why haven't you cut off ties with us? or gathered an army to end our supposed genocide? canadians, once again pointing fingers from your neutral position doing nothing but complain about everyone else.
Thanks guys for the bike suggestions, I'll be doing a little research before the next purchase that's for sure.
As for the yanks...please do all you can to end the war and I'll try and tone down the ranting and forgive you guys. Canada is not perfect that's for sure but we did stay out of Iraq and Vietnam.
Jah I take that back your not worthy of the Sour Diesel or Kush, more like brown ragweed. As far as military goes, Canada is a soft power You sit back do nothing but bitch bitch and bitch and point your finger at what other countries should do, when all you do is nothing.:fu:
Ragweed...that's just plain mean.
duke420
12-03-2006, 08:12 PM
Ragweed...that's just plain mean.
Sorry bud, that was low down and dirty. I will complement you guys on the sweet orange crush that comes from the north. Hey have u ever snow bud before that shit is CHRONIC :drool:
Shaker666
12-04-2006, 01:20 AM
I'm happy with Kush.:high:
Would you believe I was PO'd at my government for not going into Iraq with the US. I felt that they were our allies and if their troops were dying than ours should be helping keep them alive. At least we are doing that in Afgahnistan. The US is by no means any different than any other place on earth a mixed bag of people. Lots good in there I'm sure. Thank Big Ben for not flaming me too much.
I've always been one to choose my purchases based on country of origin but when it comes to the US you have no choice, cuz man you guys OWN the computer world...and a bunch o others.
When it comes down to it I like to support good service and good quality...if it's in Canada the better...BUT I did just by a Mac...and for bikes the decision is not set.
johnathan
12-05-2006, 02:52 PM
Well sticking on topic Curtis in the UK make a sick dh rig its absolutly beautiful and Nicolai also produce some fabulous frames for dh.
Well sticking on topic Curtis in the UK make a sick dh rig its absolutly beautiful and Nicolai also produce some fabulous frames for dh.
I've lusted after Nicolai bikes...been out of the loop for too long need to look up Curtis.
The SMRT thing is a quote from the Simpsons. I'm surprised noone got that.
I get that some of you guys don't care where your money goes, I care where my money goes. Different strokes for different folks. As for not getting sympathy in my anti-american sentiment...wow you have no clue. This site has little sympathy for the US and their problems.I would gladly see Canada give up free trade with the states and move towards joining the European Union...like I say the US sucks. :fu:
If I were one to debate you, the first item I'd point out that it's a bit like bringing a sword to fight an unarmed man.
First of all, are we really not involved in Iraq? What do you think our involvement in Afghanistan is all about? It is a politically safe way (domestically) for our country to support the US in it's "war on terrorism" by extending our resources in that country, thereby allowing the US to divert more to the Iraq front. At the end of the day, it is one and the same. If you want to boycott, better add Canadian made products to your bitch list.
Second, how exactly would Canada fit in with the EU? There is #1: no border, and #2: a big FUCKING OCEAN in the way. Geography counts for a lot when we're talking about flow of goods.
Like it or not, our economies will always be interdependent on each others. We are the American's #1 trading partner (despite Dubya's attempts to convince his public otherwise), and they ours.
Free speech is great, but a tragedy when it is abused by the ignorant and uneducated.
If I were to debate you, that's where I'd start.
Back on topic: buy an RMX. Sweet ride.
Just remember kids, we have it pretty good. Imagine living in Canada if we had North Korea or the Sudan as our neighbours
If I were one to debate you, the first item I'd point out that it's a bit like bringing a sword to fight an unarmed man.
First of all, are we really not involved in Iraq? What do you think our involvement in Afghanistan is all about? It is a politically safe way (domestically) for our country to support the US in it's "war on terrorism" by extending our resources in that country, thereby allowing the US to divert more to the Iraq front. At the end of the day, it is one and the same. If you want to boycott, better add Canadian made products to your bitch list.
Second, how exactly would Canada fit in with the EU? There is #1: no border, and #2: a big FUCKING OCEAN in the way. Geography counts for a lot when we're talking about flow of goods.
Like it or not, our economies will always be interdependent on each others. We are the American's #1 trading partner (despite Dubya's attempts to convince his public otherwise), and they ours.
Free speech is great, but a tragedy when it is abused by the ignorant and uneducated.
If I were to debate you, that's where I'd start.
Back on topic: buy an RMX. Sweet ride.
My arguments are always open to debate. Thanks. I disagree on the physical location thing...times have changed we could join the EU. You are right Canada is not perfect either...never was. :)
Back on topic.
How would an RMX hold up for a 200 lb ripper?
RMX: I'd say very well, but I'd also say you're on a pretty damn sweet ride now. I'm not 200, but I hover about 185, and beat the snot out of it.
If riding 888s, get heavy springs.
And PM me to buy my '06 RMX. :D It's taking up the 07's spot.
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