2007 Devinci Line Up - Live On-Line

[Steed Cycles]

Check out the 2007 Devinci line-up that we will be carring on their new web site just updated today! www.devinci.com :canada:

If you haven't already tried one we've had the Frantik and hectik demo bikes in the shop. They are not here at the moment, but should be returning soon. Look for other 2007 Demo bikes available for test rides soon!

[jzogaris]

the frantik 3 is looking sweet same with the wilson 3 like the new dj bike finally a good hardtail from them

[Trini-dad72]

The Frantik 2 with a Domain is pretty much my dream bike right now. Also, the new website and catalogue is pretty damn cool. The design of both is really sweet!!!

[mace2]

anyone know the prices of the frantiks?

[FlipSide]

The Frantik 3 is 7000$.

I'm not sure for the 2 and 1 but according to this thread:
http://bb.nsmb.com/showthread.php?t=84792&highlight=Frantik+price they are 3400$ and 2600$ respectively.

I ordered one this week. :)

[jzogaris]

are you bullshitting $7000 smackarooneys for that bike its nice but more like $4000 nice not 7000

[FlipSide]

It's all decked-out with some of the most expensive parts on the market.

All X.O, Deemax, Diabolous everything, e13, RS Totem fork, Juicy Carbon, etc... It even has a seat with titanium rails!

I agree 7000$ is too expensive for a bike, but try building a similar bike from the frame up...it'll be much more expensive than 7000$.

[Steed Cycles]

Frantik 1 $2599, Frantik 2 $3399, Frantik 3 $6999

There is no way the Frantik 3 would sell for $4000, as flipside says there are some of the highest end parts you can buy on there. originally Devinci was using the Frantik 3 as a really highend bike to have in the catelogue to look up to as, wow that bke looks good! They then decided to sell it pre-season to whomever was willing to purchase one, so because there are very few to be made the price is higher. I suppose it is more of a limited edition bike.

[thewwkayaker]

Geometry part of website fails (can't find file) - or is it just me?

[DeVo]

Devinci did an awesome job with their website, it looks great! The lineup is super stepped up this year. I dunno about forking out 7000 bucks for a bicycle, they probably dont have any built until someone orders them.

[jonny.zee]

I can't get the website to work. After the box opens up, I can't click on anything. Perhaps it's my lame PC.

[cameron]

doesnt work with my comp either ^.

[Steed Cycles]

It was working just fine yesterday. At the moment I cannot access the bikes either, yet everything else works. I'm sure it will get sorted out soon.

[Wayne P]

You'd be surprised with how many people can happily afford a $7000 bike.

[Steed Cycles]

It's true, Devinci has already taken orders for some frantik 3, and wilson 3 bikes.

[miffed]

Prices for wilsons?

[Steed Cycles]

Wilson 1 $3499, Wilson 2 $4499, Wilson 3 $6999

[couch@nsmb.com]

I can't get the website to work. After the box opens up, I can't click on anything. Perhaps it's my lame PC.

I couldn't either because the front page is bigger than my screen. If you right click on the screen and hit the "fit to page" option you will see the "enter" button.

[biking_cam]

What are the district prices?

[apeshape]

The site works fine on my end. I have some executional issues with it but overall its a great little site.

I am kinda interested in the Frantik as a frame only purchase since I've been keeping my eyes peeled for a little 6x6 rig.

[Steed Cycles]

Frame only for a Frantik is $2099 with a DHX 5.0 coil shock, rear axel, and seat collar. I have mine on order already, I can't wait!

[Steed Cycles]

What are the district prices?
Sorry what do you mean by district prices?

[biking_cam]

the jumping bike with the name "District", I am wondering what the pricing is for them
thanks

[Steed Cycles]

Unless there is a type-o, the jump bikes are called the Grind. There is the grind 1 listed at $899, and Grind 2 for $1199. We will have both these bikes in stock comin soon!

[Steed Cycles]

I just checked the site, and maybe they have changed the names. We viewed the bikes as the Grind, and the same is stated in the current catelogue. Prices and specs the same.

[biking_cam]

ok sweet, thanks for the info, i bet that district 2 would look sweet with a argyle 409

[QUIN]

im wondering the prices for the wilson series as well as the ollie series

[Steed Cycles]

Yeah, i don't know if it would look better in punishment, or white though. nice jumper though.

[jzogaris]

i really like the wilson too i think the set up is great would be even sweeter with a totem for sure worth the money, i dont see how the wilson 3 and frantik 3 are the same price though the wilson 3 has the same components but more exspensive frame and fork

[NSTP]

well James, the frame is only $100 more (because of the air shock), but yeah the boxxer world cup is more expensive. I always wonder the same things but OEM price and retail are so different, sometime the OEM price of two different forks are very similar, eventhough the retails are really different. They might also be making a statement of these are really high-end bikes, and all of the special edition will be the same price...who knows? lol. but yeah the wilson 2 is reallt nice for the price, we should have a demo bike at the shop fairly soon.

[jzogaris]

scott did you get your frantik frame yet?

[Steed Cycles]

Nope It might be a while, but I've got my Totem 2-step, and Code brakes.

[Steed Cycles]

To keep everyone up to date we will have the Devinci Frantik and Hectik demos back at Steed on Monday November 27th if not earlier. So for anyone waiting to ride these bikes stop buy or gives us a call if you would like make an appointment. It's a great opportunity to be able to ride these premium rigs.

[whisky shooter]

Anyone know what rear shock will come with the wilsom 3?? In the spec it says fox air but in the pic its coil.. Myself I hate the air so I hope you can get it with coil.

[Steed Cycles]

It's a 5.0 DHX Air I don't believe there is any choice as of now. Always check the back spec's, the page the bike is on is not always 100% correct. I hope that is of some help.
Also have you tried the new generation of air shocks. They actually ride really nicely, especially on the Wilson.

[Steed Cycles]

the Frantik and Hectik Demos bikes are back in the shop right now!

[NSTP]

Some things can be very cheap if you look around for the cheapest parts, of course you can find a good deal. I think if you are thinking of buying one great, make a big comparison, otherwise it doesn't really affect anyone that isn't buying it. I believe it has been brought t Devinci's attention that many people find the bike over price. They say thy have already take orders for these limited production bikes, and i suppose those people saw the bike as good value for them. Things will most likely change for next year, for now you just have to take it or leave it.
I guess you can think of it like a fine expensive meal. if you go buy the steak, it might cost you $10, the potatoes $.50, ad the carrots, $1, but they charge $40.... but hey it tasted good.

[motion]

Has any one ridden the new hectik frame yet? I really like the look of it, but I was wondering if the rear end is stiff enough for hard riding. I guess it's all relative but I'm looking for a lighter bike that will do it all with minimal compromise. Any first hand insight on this frame would be greatly apreciated.

[bogey]

That looks absolutely terrible and sure would put you in a poor pedalling position without a layback post with the seat jammed all the way back on the rails.
I know there's a need to keep things fresh but when the geometry gets screwed up just to be different it's a bit much.

[*Pepe*]

That looks absolutely terrible and sure would put you in a poor pedalling position without a layback post with the seat jammed all the way back on the rails.
I know there's a need to keep things fresh but when the geometry gets screwed up just to be different it's a bit much.

huh? whatcha talkin' about Willis?

[cam@nsmb.com]

That looks absolutely terrible and sure would put you in a poor pedalling position without a layback post with the seat jammed all the way back on the rails.
I know there's a need to keep things fresh but when the geometry gets screwed up just to be different it's a bit much.

That sounds backwards to me.

A steeper position is a much better pedalling position - and if you are sitting down while you are descending you aren't trying hard enough - so who cares where your saddle is?

[Steed Cycles]

Has any one ridden the new hectik frame yet? I really like the look of it, but I was wondering if the rear end is stiff enough for hard riding. I guess it's all relative but I'm looking for a lighter bike that will do it all with minimal compromise. Any first hand insight on this frame would be greatly apreciated.

Well I have ridden it once, and the Frantik once. Both bke excell at descening, they are a lot of fun! the Hectik is definitely much easier to climb with less weight, and the slightly steeper seat angle. Both bikes have the same travel, and very similar strength. The hectik can handle up to a 180mm travel fork, the Frantik 200mm. If you like come dow to the shop and you can take the Hectik or a trail ride and find out for yourself.

[Steed Cycles]

That sounds backwards to me.

A steeper position is a much better pedalling position - and if you are sitting down while you are descending you aren't trying hard enough - so who cares where your saddle is?

Thanks for clearing that up Cam. I think sometimes it takes a bit to figure it out. But if you think about it steat tube angles are like head angles, steeper makes climbing easier, and slacker is more for descending, and like you say, when they are down and out of the way it ain't no thang.

[bogey]

Tri bikes go steep because you need to open up your torso to leg angle or your knees will hit your chest. There's a thing called KNOPS (Knee Over Pedal Spindle) that is considered to be the ideal position for pedalling efficiency. A steep seat angle with a standard seatpost and saddle position will put you too far forward to pedal efficiently. These aren't DH bikes so they are expected to pedal well but if you're too far forward your pedalling efficiency is decreased AND your weight isn't balanced between the front and rear suspension. Same thing if you're too far back. The rules change when your talking about extremes like DH bikes and Tri/TT bikes.

[Steed Cycles]

Well as you have noticed these are not tri bikes. If you look at cross country bikes however, they have very similar angles for the seat tube as the Frantik and Hectik. Obviously cross country bikes are meant to be very efficient for pedallig long distances, and a lot of hill climbing. The same angles on both styles of bikes do not translate to a poor knee over axle position, actually what they are trying to achieve is a better knee over axle position. If somehow this doesn't make sense, I would e-mail Devinci for their input.

[walrasian]

There's a thing called KNOPS (Knee Over Pedal Spindle) that is considered to be the ideal position for pedalling efficiency.
The knee over the pedal thing refers to the forward pedal when the pedals are horizontal. This rule of thumb also requires the saddle to be at optimal height ie roughly where your heel will just touch the pedal at the bottom of the pedal stroke. So a no setback seatpost plus a 72 degree seatpost angle is around optimal for most people but you would pay for this efficiency with bike handling. The optimal seatpost angle is a blend of pedaling efficiency and body position for bike handling that is appropriate for that type of riding. I would wait to comment on a bike until I have ridden it but the numbers for the Frantik and Hectik both seem to be reasonable for these types of bikes, which require efficient seated climbing and good bike handling while standing.

[Flying_Buscuit]

What are the prices for the Ollies?

[Steed Cycles]

The Ollie 1 is $2699, and the Ollie 2 $4299. We have the Ollie 2 in a medium in Stock right now.

[Flying_Buscuit]

Really, that is alot less that what I was expecting. What is the wieght for the full Ollie 1? I cannot seem to find it. I have just found a job and will be getting a new fully this summer. Or maybe even sooner if I decide to go with the Ollie. But I will PM you later when I am closer to the amount of money I need.

[thewwkayaker]

The knee over the pedal thing refers to the forward pedal when the pedals are horizontal. This rule of thumb also requires the saddle to be at optimal height ie roughly where your heel will just touch the pedal at the bottom of the pedal stroke. So a no setback seatpost plus a 72 degree seatpost angle is around optimal for most people but you would pay for this efficiency with bike handling. The optimal seatpost angle is a blend of pedaling efficiency and body position for bike handling that is appropriate for that type of riding. I would wait to comment on a bike until I have ridden it but the numbers for the Frantik and Hectik both seem to be reasonable for these types of bikes, which require efficient seated climbing and good bike handling while standing.

I don't get this - why would the seat angle affect the bike's handling (assuming NS riding where you drop the seat for descending)?

[Steed Cycles]

Really, that is alot less that what I was expecting. What is the wieght for the full Ollie 1? I cannot seem to find it. I have just found a job and will be getting a new fully this summer. Or maybe even sooner if I decide to go with the Ollie. But I will PM you later when I am closer to the amount of money I need.
The weight would be an approximation, because we don't have any to weigh at this point, but I would assume it would be 44lbs.

[Steed Cycles]

I don't get this - why would the seat angle affect the bike's handling (assuming NS riding where you drop the seat for descending)?
Good question Dennis, I have never heard anyone bring this up before...I wonder why.

[Flying_Buscuit]

The weight would be an approximation, because we don't have any to weigh at this point, but I would assume it would be 44lbs.

Oh man, thats pretty heavy for a little guy like me.

[Air Supplier]

ya the dirt jump bikes look sick... might have to upgrade the drive train and such but they look just as good as an STP! Maybe I can build it up with an Argyle!

[Air Supplier]

Oh man, thats pretty heavy for a little guy like me.

Oh ya flying Buscuit I added you to sponsorhouse my name is Matt!

[Steed Cycles]

The dirt jump bike is nice, it's simple, not too heavy. A clean looking bike.

[Nelson]

This is a question to the steed guys...

How are those crossmax SX wheels holding up on your demo bikes? Have they been tough enough for riding the shore, or are they more of a tough all mountain wheelset?

[Steed Cycles]

So far the wheels are great, they are very nice for pedaling. They are actually in better shape than the deemax wheels on the other demo bike. To really know how durable they are I would want to see how they hold up after a season. So far so good though!

[gram]

can you give me some prices on the Hectik?

thanks.

[walrasian]

I don't get this - why would the seat angle affect the bike's handling (assuming NS riding where you drop the seat for descending)?
hey sorry for not responding sooner but I haven't been on this board in a while.

The SA affects the bikes handling in that for a given cockpit and chainstay length, the SA will shorten or lengthen the wheelbase and also affect the for/aft balance of the bike.
Just think of a standard frame and picture what would happen if you rotated that seat tube. Slacker will tuck the rear wheel under you and shorten the wheel base, this shifts the for/aft balance of the bike towards the back, meaning 1) easier wheelies and more stable/comfortable going down steep stuff 2)your handling will become more responsive(read less stable at speed)the opposite is also true. This is a simplistic explanation but it gives the gist of what is happening with seat angles.

[thewwkayaker]

Body position though isn't affected by seat angle when not sitting.

If your bike has an extremely slack seat angle, when seated the body is positioned over the back wheel but when you stand up you will be positioned over the cranks (you then move your body position for the terrain independant of the seat angle)

As for chainstay lengths - well most bikes use the same chain stay length (for dualies) and what small differences there are on a few bikes can actually be made independant of the seat angle.

Wheelbase - can be affected however there are ways to maintain a steep seatangle and have a shorter wheelbase (Devinci doesn't do this though).

Top tube length - yes that's affected but becomes more of a sizing issue for most bikes.

[smoochy]

As for chainstay lengths - well most bikes use the same chain stay length (for dualies) and what small differences there are on a few bikes can actually be made independant of the seat angle.

Wheelbase - can be affected however there are ways to maintain a steep seatangle and have a shorter wheelbase (Devinci doesn't do this though).


for a given TT, head angle and CS length (and all other things being equal), a slacker seat angle will give shorter wheelbase, steeper seat angle will give longer.

Devinci probably went with the super steep SA for two reasons:

1) steep SA will lean you a bit further over the front wheel, allowing you to hunker down more for single-track/steep climbs. This will help to compensate for front wheel wander with such slack head angles. the Cannondale Prophet does the same thing to great effect.

2) the rear wheel path looks like it goes almost straight forward, so they had to make room for the tire and didn't want to interupt or bend the seat tube.

in general, most MTBers don't care about the KNOPS because we aren't trying to be super efficient or ergonomic beyond fun comfort.