The SMX - a snow trike from Norway with love

[cam@nsmb.com]

I admit it - I can't wait to try the damn thing.

The SMX from North Legion (http://www.nsmb.com/gear/smx2_10_06.php)

[sid vicious]

do or will ski hills allow these?

looks dope

[Bonecracker]

That looks like so much fun.......When and where can they be purchased? And if there's going to be testing, count me in please.

[big ben]

that looks so sick, I will buy it when they make one that can handle powder. the parallel motion frame is amazing, looks just like a turning skier. looks crazy fun.

[sheffy]

I admit it - I can't wait to try the damn thing.

The SMX from North Legion (http://www.nsmb.com/gear/smx2_10_06.php)

Looks like it could be fun.....hope SS allows them!!!

[baloom]

I am such a mega-retro-grouch that I simply cannot abide by something like that defiling the ski hill. It has taken me nearly 20 years to come to terms with sharing the hill with snow boarders. I have been dragged kicking and screaming into the modern era only because I have kids, that despite ski race training, still like to strap on a snowboard every now and again.

So be prepared to suffer under the weight of my open contempt when I mach past you at Whistler......

[stacy kohut]

many different tries have been made in the past regarding the turning style of the smx............

it works.
http://www.dualski.com/kartski-uk.htm

http://www.dualski.com/tandemski-uk.htm

http://www.dualski.com/vfc_uniski_dualski-uk.htm


they have packaged the smx nicely and have taken the sport in the right direction with the right cross over market.

hope they sell a million of em....

[jcruf]

looks awesome, i wonder how the the powderSMX will look like.
freeriding in winter with a bikelike feeling.
gotta try that. greetz from switzerland jc

[cam@nsmb.com]

I am such a mega-retro-grouch that I simply cannot abide by something like that defiling the ski hill. It has taken me nearly 20 years to come to terms with sharing the hill with snow boarders. I have been dragged kicking and screaming into the modern era only because I have kids, that despite ski race training, still like to strap on a snowboard every now and again.

So be prepared to suffer under the weight of my open contempt when I mach past you at Whistler......

You forgot to thank us snowboarders for saving the industry! ;)

[trouble]

looks neat for flatter stuff and the park, but I can't see it being that good for shredding the gnar gnar, no matter what kind of snowblades they strap to the bottom. Especially considering that whats thought of as steep on skis is damn near vertical on a bike.

Not for me, frankly I like skiing more than biking

(I wouldn't mind trying it out though)

[Oldfart]

I can hardly wait to see some spode attempting to hike somewhere on one of them. Nice toy. Good distraction for when one get's bored with real snow sports.

[blunt boy]

I can hardly wait to see some spode attempting to hike somewhere on one of them. Nice toy. Good distraction for when one get's bored with real snow sports.

LOL. you know the won't be hiking. It will be sledneck action!

[Rosscofat]

done and done. will be buying one asap!

[Unregistered4314295]

lame

[shonky]

Looks like it would be good on a biker/boarder cross type course.

I doubt many dyed-in-the-wool skiers will convert but some people who prefer biking to skiing/boarding will definitely be tempted (pending NSMB test ride/reports).

[shonky]

Good distraction for when one get's bored with real snow sports.

Which actually doesn't take very long for me (riding groomers is about as interesting as ridng down the road from the CBC parking lot).

[Straw]

I bet those will get as much respect on the hill as snowblades.

[Rosscofat]

there is a big park in t town that gets snow enought to hit it up big time! cant wait.. I think baker allows these.

[big ben]

I bet those will get as much respect on the hill as snowblades.
agreed, their success will depend upon how many people are willing to take the heat for riding them before they become "acceptable" among skiers and boarders. hopefully the endorsements by pro bikers and big resorts along with pro slopestyle events will help ease it into the mainstream...

[Unre]

as a mountain biker I would be more interested in a larger frame instead of something BMX sized

this will be a tough sell for resorts

[brent_14]

i'd ride it, even if people made funn of me

[drummer_dil]

i want of those hella bad

[Johnie P]

looks super fun but i like the change from bikes to boards(one or two).

[baloom]

I wonder if my wire, handlebar basket, horn and orange safety-flag that I have on my "road trike" will fit? You know I'm gonna pimp up my SMX.....

[patrolskid]

i'd give it a try . . . . had some fun on the snow moto last winter , but do need to upgrade the boards .

seand , you still looking for a home for those spares ?

[Xmag]

as a mountain biker I would be more interested in a larger frame instead of something BMX sized

this will be a tough sell for resorts

Agreed, it looks a lot more like a BMX, the difference is that you cant pedal and you need the snow, so you have to do it on the mountain...

The "powder version" would be more of a mountain bike thing but i dont think it is too realistic.... i just cant see somethink like that not sinking on the fresh snow

[cam@nsmb.com]

The size isn't really an issue I don't think because it's not the sort of thing you are going to want to sit down on. Also the only difference in the 'powder version' will be skiis that displace more volume placed on the same SMX frame. That to me would be the ultimate - rocking that thing through two feet of fresh sounds like a blast.

[stacy kohut]

hey cam, you would trip out on what puttin real skis on that thing would do...

if you can rip at over 70 km/h deep powder heli skiing on a sit ski using a 202 gs race skis......


imagine what these new units with some customs sticks by prior and some suspension tweeks from naz would do?........

spend another 1500 hun(rossco fat you hear me?) on after market hop ups and these new units will go anywhere, do anything..........


these smx's have huge potential.................freakin HUGE..........



i want one...........

[bcbud]

Larger forks and bigger skiis would be nice, its sweet that you can carve that thing, I ski and MTB so I would love to try one, imagine the face shots in pow, trees would be another game for sure, head into VD and find new lines.....

[Sethimus]

http://www.snowscoot-blackmountain.com/

THIS is the real deal...

[$$Chris*Ko$$]

Man LETS START SUPERMONSTERS ON THAT BITCH...


No. nevermind. If i lived in the interior where theres lossa sknow and big hills... i can see much fun being had. not in the lower mainland though.. Still, i want one! =P

[Straw]

http://img.alibaba.com/photo/50390894/GT_Snow_Racer.jpg

1/10th of the price!

[cam@nsmb.com]

http://www.snowscoot-blackmountain.com/

THIS is the real deal...

If the real deal is a monoski with a handlebar - then that's it for sure! ;)

Maybe they'll sign Bender.

I don't know - watching the video didnt make me want to go a-scootin.' It does look well built though and certainly more capable than the current SMX in pow and on the steeps.

[cam@nsmb.com]

hey cam, you would trip out on what puttin real skis on that thing would do...

if you can rip at over 70 km/h deep powder heli skiing on a sit ski using a 202 gs race skis......


imagine what these new units with some customs sticks by prior and some suspension tweeks from naz would do?........

Now you're talking. That sounds like my cuppa.
Maybe some kustom fabrication chez Kohut.

[Sethimus]

i only know i'm riding snowscoots for 4 years now. on a snowscoot, your feet standing very low, basicly direct over the board. on a smx, u stand a little bit higher, also between your feet is more space, so you stand very ducked (hope this is the right word). after a long day scooting, my back starts to hurt. on a smx i think this will happen more often...

[Hanus]

http://img.alibaba.com/photo/50390894/GT_Snow_Racer.jpg

1/10th of the price!


Speaking of pice, how much does this thing retail for? (the SMX, i mean)

[sdflg]

How much does this thing cost?

[Kevan]

Retail $?

[DUDEONABIKE]

1400$

reading the article helps:)

[Kevan]

1400$

reading the article helps:)

hahah, i did :|. and searched the site. Im info-gathering impaired.

[Mic]

Boy, this is expensive...:eek:
what about building one yourself? any engineers among us?

[yeah brooooo]

Holy god, you guys are pushing this SO HARD. Man that's the worst product ever.

[Air Supplier]

Yah i think $1400 is rediculous, but it looks like so much fun!

[gwow]

looks neat for flatter stuff and the park, but I can't see it being that good for shredding the gnar gnar, no matter what kind of snowblades they strap to the bottom. Especially considering that whats thought of as steep on skis is damn near vertical on a bike.

Not for me, frankly I like skiing more than biking

(I wouldn't mind trying it out though)


looks neat for flatter stuff and the park, but I can't see it being that good for shredding the gnar gnar, no matter what kind of snowblades they strap to the bottom. Especially considering that whats thought of as steep on skis is damn near vertical on a bike.

Not for me, frankly I like skiing more than biking

(I wouldn't mind trying it out though)

North Legion SMX is a joke, can’t believe some pro’s allied their names to this trike,what else will they try to sell next? This is a glorified GT racer with a wicked price tag, after all woudn’t it be the same if we slapped on two mini skis and bought a stick and placed a third ski on it. Give me a break how can something with such small skis be stable at high speeds-never- and who in the hell wants to sit on the floor like when we were 2 years old? Besides the point who really wants to swallow-by accident- yellow snow?
Even better let’s do some math, if we take my option you will need to buy three sets of skis to equip a friend and yourself like one of these $1000 units all for say 500$ max including the-sorry for the pun- broom stick. I don’t care if Billy Boy Gates promoted this but it ain’t going to sell no matter how much BS they feed us. Come on boys make something real for once and not one of these tricycle devices. Last but not least look at the position of the riders when they turn-yuk- they look like the two plank wanks that for many years prevented us from using our snowboards on the mountains. So for now I hope all who buy will have a lollipop included with their purchase so they can really look like a bunch of moronic Trikers. O well I guess the cool snowboard-USA baby- look is hard to replicate, the acro skiers are in the right direction though. Next will be the lying carpet where you will be able to dodge trees!! Watch coming right up in next years fire sale………………to be continued.
O hold on, I wish those dumb trolls would keep stupid ideas at the end of their pond.

I instructed people on snowboards for three years-level-, rode flatland BMX for four years- GT Pro Performer bike- I've been riding boards at the start of 88 and a skier since 82. I can tell you that there is no chance in hell this thing can perform at any level close to a ski or SB at high speed which includes turning fast or the king carve. You can see in the pictures that the front ski is basically useless when it comes to turns and does nothing to initiate the turn. So once again why add a third ski-snowblade-as a steering device when it is of no real function? Is this for the people who like to have front stability? Perhaps this is a thing for couch potatoes? Like I said, buy yourself two mini skis and you’ll probably be better off. Think about it for a sec…….
Tell me, wouldn't it be far more interesting if someone came up with something more than a glorified GT racer that cost over $1400? The original can be bought on ebay used or new for as little as say $50.
It isn’t similar to a mountain bike or BMX in any way for that matter. Better yet, I challenge anyone that says otherwise! Last time I checked the MB & BMX certainly didn’t have any training wheels on them, unless of course you are two years old.

One more thing then I’ll shut up!

I found a fire sale for a trike that is the actual ancestor of the SMX for $89.00, boy is this north legion crowd smart! Do a few mods slap up a +1000$ sricker- sricker is a new word for sticker except you change the t for an r like in ripp off- price and voila here comes profits!AAAAAaggggghhhhhhhhhh I don’t think so! Wait until something that you can really enjoy comes out in the market place, if not you can always try this for $89 and buy yourself a used ATV-three wheels if you insist- with the rest.
http://www.zollerhardware.com/shop/item/gtsnowracermodel.html (http://www.zollerhardware.com/shop/item/gtsnowracermodel.html)
and this ones for the BIGGA people.
http://www.zollerhardware.com/shop/item/kingsizesnowracer.html (http://www.zollerhardware.com/shop/item/kingsizesnowracer.html)
I am willing to bet my undies- cleaned that is- that this will fail

[Hack On Wheels]

Welcome to NSMB!

By the way, have you ever tried an SMX?



Oh, you haven't? Too bad, I guess your whole rant is based on assumptions then...

[gwow]

Welcome to NSMB!

By the way, have you ever tried an SMX?



Oh, you haven't? Too bad, I guess your whole rant is based on assumptions then...

Well first of all let me explain myself a little more.
First, this idea is old and secondly it puts the rider so close to the floor that it makes the actual user taste his knees. It is even lower than a BMX and physically cannot replicate the abilities of the ski or snowboard.
To keep things simple we can all understand that stability on skis and top speed is achieved by the length-materials 10%- of such and this formerly applies to SB. This can be witnessed by the limited speed one can get on snowblades in relevance to longer ski or SB that are + 160cm.You can ask any user or try yourself, I have. My point being is they are marketing a product that one cannot address MB or BMX with since this is the furthest from the truth. Does a MB'r or BMX'r sit with his knees in his face?
Do high speed downhill users use this kind of length-snowblades- in order to achieve top speed and stability while going straight or turning?
So to answer your question I will simply not try the little trike out even if free as I can already judge according to the physical action between a downhill ski ,SB and the slope that it is impossible for this troll machine to even keep up with what it claims it derives from. Simply put this is just a toy that will remain a toy if anybody is crazy enough to pay the price. I mean after all would anybody buy a tricycle mountain bike if it had shocks on it? I don't think so.
So for now I hope someone makes a serious attempt at making something that doesn't look or functions like a trike and quit wasting everyones time. Best of all someone in a previous post compared it to skiing, then why do it? I mean after all if the position is the same then why give up the speed? Long story short, for this troll machine to work it will need to make a name for itself which it wont because it will not be able to show its relevance in downhill sports.
Yes this may be the next king of the hill-LOL- but it will be named the T-BAR king as it will remain on the bunny runs for kids. This certainly is not a mans sport, this is designed for troll users and I don't give a hoot if they won the troll award for best bike in the universe.

[Hack On Wheels]

Well, I can't say I followed everything you said, but that is quite interesting! Yes it is expensive and yes it may not be capable of acting entirely like skis or a snowboard, but isn't the idea that it would be fun? I did find the whole "mans sport" commenting a little pointless, who are you to say what is manly and what is not? And I didn't understand the "troll thing either".

Oh, and there is or was a mountain-trike of a sort made, vaguely similar to the smx in that the rear two wheels varied their position to allow carving. I don't remember anything else about it though.

[stacy kohut]

you have just threw up 2 posts that prove you know nothing about snowsports.

nothin
zip
nada
not a hope

the big zer0...................





do you even know how this thing turns?
the dynamics?
the root of the design?


whatever dude, you 'got your level' in snowboarding.......................
you don't need the smx, and the smx doesn't need you........................


and gwow, i can't wait till one of the boys busts a backflip whip over your head while your sittin on the ground ,being a 'snowboarder'.......

[Toquer]

He sounds like a sourgrapes competitor to me.

I wonder if GWOW rides bikes (flatland - ha!) or just searches the internet for SMX posts so he can trash it for fun.

Troll. The SMX isn't a Troll. You are a troll.

[gwow]

He sounds like a sourgrapes competitor to me.

I wonder if GWOW rides bikes (flatland - ha!) or just searches the internet for SMX posts so he can trash it for fun.

Troll. The SMX isn't a Troll. You are a troll.


Well let's start here, I was probably doing miami hoppers, switzerland squeakers- one footed- :),boomrangs, rock walks, around the world, tail whips, etccccc... and hitting quarter pipes before you were even born. Saw Wilkerson do the first ever lookback-haro-, saw Dominguez pull off the first ever 720-Diamond Back- and watched Matt Hoffman destroy everyone in his first year riding for Skyway and that my friends you can take to the bank. So my crudentials speak for themselves. As far as a man sport goes, that is a little harsh since I have seen girls riding bmx's and find it pretty cool. What I am trying to say is this is a toy for kids that shouldn't command more than $100. To answer the other post about being a competitor, I am not nor would I be involved in making anything that looks like a trike"troll machine".
Lastly, understanding how it works is very simple and doesn't take thorough understanding of the sport. It is basically two snowblades that are allowed to travel in a parallel fashion to one and other no more, no less. Two simple metal bars ;) :shhh: that do what a skier would with his feet:shhh: , after all is that what you really want? Don't believe any additional hype, it's just not true.The beauty about the snowboard is that it brought in an entire new genre that would allow a user to be in the same position he would be when riding a wave, I still say that up until today it is one of the coolest sports! Blessings for Kelly and Burton!! That is what made that sport take off and put it the olympics in record time!

The front is in no way contributing to the turn unless you ride with your weight forward and then it still wont since the feet positioning is all the way in the back of the troll and would make the rear slide out making you wipe out. If you choose to even try this then make sure you wear a mouth guard as it wont take long for you to get acquainted with your new found friend, the handlebar bar.
To make things fun, I also read in the 80's a guy who made the predicitions that MB would become bigger than bmx and even showed what one may look like in the futur-looks like today's hard tail MB for dirt- good prediction!
Got to wonder if these pro's that are associating themselves with this trike aren't blowing their names? I mean after all is Lopes involved or any other very serious rider other than Zinc and the gang?
If I were them I would watch my image before tying myself up as this may end up as an overhyped blunder, damaging their credibility if they are supporting it. Their current MB sponsors should worry!

I may have left someone out , let me know I will gladly answer any questions concerning insulting me blalblabla......:argue:
Guy's don't waste your money, :devil: this thing isn't worth it IMO.

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[gwow]

Oh, and there is or was a mountain-trike of a sort made, vaguely similar to the smx in that the rear two wheels varied their position to allow carving. I don't remember anything else about it though.[/QUOTE

They will share a similar fate! The troll thing is because of its size, look at it man!!! LOL

G:coffee:

[Toquer]

That's pretty cool that you were riding bmx in 1965 (I was born in 66). Any other claims?

My point wasn't that you have never ridden a bike - only that it doesn't seem that you ride mountain bikes - you just troll around looking for info on the SMX so you can trash it. Pretty clearly you have a vested interest in this or you wouldn't have registered here JUST to trash this machine.

Why do you care so much? That seems sort of sad to me.

Got anything positive to contribute to this site?

[gwow]

That's pretty cool that you were riding bmx in 1965 (I was born in 66). Any other claims?

My point wasn't that you have never ridden a bike - only that it doesn't seem that you ride mountain bikes - you just troll around looking for info on the SMX so you can trash it. Pretty clearly you have a vested interest in this or you wouldn't have registered here JUST to trash this machine.

Why do you care so much? That seems sort of sad to me.

Got anything positive to contribute to this site?

Well,well, I was riding in the mid 80's not 60's but anyhow getting to the point. You are older than I, I respect that.
My point being is I noticed an article about a so called next biggest thing that can do it all .........sort of like a duck that doesn't particularly do anything well. At least the duck does a few things that do work and doesn't claim otherwise. Anyhow it brought me here via a link and I found it quite amusing how nearly everyone is pumping this trike that is a glorified GT racer. I bet we can at least agree on that? I don't have any interest, but my question is why would you think I did? Who really cares, I am debating the merits of the trike.
I've noticed that since I posted comments about the trike I have been attacked, my question is why? Is this a North Legion forum? I don't get it, maybe you should look in the mirror and wonder? I have simply stated that it will never be the equivalent of what it claims it does so well. It is physically-as in physics- not able to do it all or even one well, never mind the BMX & MB comparison.
Why would you think I am looking for SMX in particular? I actually find this forum quite interesting, especially all the pumping!
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[gwow]

That's pretty cool that you were riding bmx in 1965 (I was born in 66). Any other claims?

My point wasn't that you have never ridden a bike - only that it doesn't seem that you ride mountain bikes - you just troll around looking for info on the SMX so you can trash it. Pretty clearly you have a vested interest in this or you wouldn't have registered here JUST to trash this machine.

Why do you care so much? That seems sort of sad to me.

Got anything positive to contribute to this site?

I just wanted to add that if you knew what I was relating to then you would know it all took place in the mid to late 80's:devil: but who really cares.
Now what is your definition of positives:shhh: ?:argue: I mean you don't find all the info I have given with the many years of experience helpful?;) Would you like me instead to pump SMX go to the moon??? You don't think it is good to see both sides? The truth is what I have spoken, if anyone would like to blow over 1000$ for this trike let me know! I could do the job for a lot cheaper, tying two snowblades together broom stick stuff....you know the rest.:shhh:
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:devil:

[gwow]

http://photos.nsmb.com/showimage.php?i=10925&c=10

Now check the picture! Do you see three trail marks or just two? Two.
Secondly, why does he need to be turning on a bank? Is it so he can hold the turn better at that angle? See, mountain trails are usually steep flats without these kind of major changes in horizontal angle. Even with the aid of the banked turn he still is nowhere as low as a snowboarder or skier would be riding a perfectly flat angle. Also notice that his stance is identical to skiing. So the question is why do it? I'd love to see them try a fast slalom with it!;) They'd be rolling down the hill!!:coffee: :coffee: :coffee:

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[Toquer]

Once you try it you'll have some cred.

Until then you are just speculating. Maybe you are right and it won't be much fun - but to me (and we now know I've been on snow and wheels longer than you) it looks like it could be great.

We'll just have to wait and see. I don't think the other posters here have ulterior motives; they like what they see (some of them at least) and think it's a promising design. You think you know more than everyone else but I'm not so sure. There are some smart folks who visit nsmb.

I'm still convinced you have some association with a company that may compete with the SMX. Feel free to prove me wrong though.

I will at least say that it's nice to be able to have this discussion without getting nasty.

Thanks for keeping it civil. Too bad it's not like this online more often.

[gwow]

Once you try it you'll have some cred.

Until then you are just speculating. Maybe you are right and it won't be much fun - but to me (and we now know I've been on snow and wheels longer than you) it looks like it could be great.

We'll just have to wait and see. I don't think the other posters here have ulterior motives; they like what they see (some of them at least) and think it's a promising design. You think you know more than everyone else but I'm not so sure. There are some smart folks who visit nsmb.

I'm still convinced you have some association with a company that may compete with the SMX. Feel free to prove me wrong though.

I will at least say that it's nice to be able to have this discussion without getting nasty.

Thanks for keeping it civil. Too bad it's not like this online more often.
I concur! It's an absolute pleasure exchanging opinions. Understand one thing I know intricately sb and ski, I get what SMX say but it isn't possible. Let's look at an F1 wing we can deduce without even driving one that more angle will equal more downforce which is quite simple, not to brag,I have an F1600-F2000 FIA racing license. So we can also apply that to the equation, if need be but I think not. So we can ,just like simple scientific matter, analyze that the design is merely effective on the two back ski's at low speeds. the vibrations that must build up in the rear as soon as speed builds up must be tremendous. Lastly why is there a third ski in the front? It has no use look at this shot

http://photos.nsmb.com/showimage.php?i=10904&c=10

He's turning without the front because the front is of no function. With all the pictures we have seen plus the vids it is evident that this thing is a toy. O well someday perhaps.
Just to touch back on the subject, I do not have a vested interest nor work for troll companies. I know the troll word is annoying but all these flipping contraptions look like they come out of Iceland from Troll central.
I agree that you must have been riding for quite some time but I have been and will always be a hardcore rider. CV=BMX 4years, YZ125 3years, mountain bike 2years:shhh: so I can put things into absolute perspective before even trying whether it would be worth my time or not. All I can tell you is try it and see. You will thank me later.
Just out of curiosity are you serious about buying one? or just sort of interested at the idea? I go for the latter.

[gwow]

Just to touch back, I never claimed to know more than anyone else. What I am bringing to the table is hard evidence of the contrary that this toy for what it offers should be no more than $150 retail unless, of course, Pamela Anderson promotes it then say $200 would be fair if I got a free ride. Now that's what I call a ride:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: .

[Toquer]

It looks to me like the front ski is for lower speed manoeuvring and to allow you to balance your weight front to back. The fact that you can lift up the front ski and still rail looks like a bonus.

As far as whether I would buy and SMX - I'd like to try one first.

Comparing it to an actual GT Racer isn't valid though - and I think you know that. It's the triangulation of the rear skis that allows the SMX to turn. The GTR is basically a sled that can't carve or turn. If you want to criticize the product you at least need to compare it to something similar.

And as far as the price goes when you consider that it has three Austrian made skis and a Taiwanese made tig welded aluminum frame, bars, stem and headset, pegs, a saddle and a Marzocchi fork US$1200 is not off base at all.

[shonky]

So my crudentials speak for themselves.

Why does remembering the 1980s give you credentials? Strange reasoning.

You seem to be making some very long posts... when you could have said: "Personally, I don't like it cos it's like skis with a seat".

[gwow]

It looks to me like the front ski is for lower speed manoeuvring and to allow you to balance your weight front to back. The fact that you can lift up the front ski and still rail looks like a bonus.

As far as whether I would buy and SMX - I'd like to try one first.

Comparing it to an actual GT Racer isn't valid though - and I think you know that. It's the triangulation of the rear skis that allows the SMX to turn. The GTR is basically a sled that can't carve or turn. If you want to criticize the product you at least need to compare it to something similar.

And as far as the price goes when you consider that it has three Austrian made skis and a Taiwanese made tig welded aluminum frame, bars, stem and headset, pegs, a saddle and a Marzocchi fork US$1200 is not off base at all.


You don't honestly believe this triangular stuff? Do you really think this thing will carve at high speed? Never.
You answered my question simply by stating that the front is useless. Front stability? Dangerous for kissing the bar. Wouldn't you want to remain in absolute balance on the trike?? Not being balanced is a no no....


Buy a GT racer connect both legs via two metal bars to two snowblades and voila!
If you can't use the steering at high speed then why buy it? What is the point? I mean the device already looks trike like ridiculous.

[gwow]

[It looks to me like the front ski is for lower speed manoeuvring and to allow you to balance your weight front to back. The fact that you can lift up the front ski and still rail looks like a bonus.]

{Comparing it to an actual GT Racer isn't valid though - and I think you know that. It's the triangulation of the rear skis that allows the SMX to turn. The GTR is basically a sled that can't carve or turn. If you want to criticize the product you at least need to compare it to something similar]

You're contradicting yourself. First you say the front ski is of no function other than at low speed which the GT racer does. Then you say that the SMX can carve. Well perhaps, I can guarantee you that it may but at a very low low speed nowhere near the speed that mountain bike riders, snowboarders, skiers are used to. You know that snowblades aren't known for their turning ability or speed? It will fail simply due to its limited turning and speed capabilities-design-, I bet I could still find more....

[And as far as the price goes when you consider that it has three Austrian made skis and a Taiwanese made tig welded aluminum frame, bars, stem and headset, pegs, a saddle and a Marzocchi fork US$1200 is not off base at all.]

Are you kidding? $1200 for a trike, it's nothing more than a toy with no serious intent. Would it break speed records? No. Will it make downhillers faster? No. Will it turn better than what it is challenging? Never.

All of the above are needed if this thing is to break out as a sport on its own like snowboarding did when it showed the world how it could carve, what a feeling!!!! Notice how todays ski manufacturers have all built major sidecut into their ski's, that is the SB effect. You don't think these manufacturers would include a third ski to hold or to aid in that manner? Nope.

Few years come, if not sooner, and the SMX will be forgotten.......

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[gwow]

Why does remembering the 1980s give you credentials? Strange reasoning.

You seem to be making some very long posts... when you could have said: "Personally, I don't like it cos it's like skis with a seat".

;) ;) :coffee: :coffee:

You're right but I wanted to elaborate a little on the subject since they are making claims-reporters - that may not be that accurate.

Well BMX was the start of what you are seeing today in slopestyle events, BMX should be looked at as the base of what this new X sport currently is in. Think about it, imagine where MB would be if Mirra had been riding slopestyle??
So speaking of credentials would you rather chat with someone who has no understanding of freestyle or downhill sports?

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[gwow]

O my my, I just realized that they look like they are sitting on the throne:shhh: -the toilet- when riding!!:coffee:

[stacy kohut]

dude, so ya didn't get sponsored by the north legion.......






you can always try again next fall.............

[wowee]

So seriously, NSMB how much are you getting paid to push this crap?

[gwow]

dude, so ya didn't get sponsored by the north legion.......






you can always try again next fall.............

Dude! I wouldn't be caught dead on the thing even if you paid me. Sorry I respect myself. I'd love to see my mom,girlfriend & family's face when they see me riding a tricycle on snow!:fruit: :fruit: :fruit: This is toooooooooo funny! I can tell you one thing, I wont be the next king triker and that you can take to the bank! I wonder if the first trick will be named the fruit loop?:fruit: :fruit:

[stacy kohut]

are you from nor cal?


come on now 'bra', i know you are upset and well, who could blame you.......

i talked to the guys at north legion and they said you put alot of work into your 'sponsor me video'..........

they said the vid was well packaged, the still shots of you posing at the mall with your civic was a neet lifestyle idea too they said.

but the kicker was when they watched your video..........

the realized you had all the ingredients to be a smx pro, except for 1 thing.....

you couldn't ride............




they said they would consider you for a lifestyle catalouge shoot, but other than that....................



as for next year.............

train hard, train smart,train with a goal in mind..............


you'll get to the top there one day tiger, practice,practice,practice.......




just don't be so bitter ya didn't make the first ever 'smx factory flyer squad'...

[gwow]

:fruit: are you from nor cal?


come on now 'bra', i know you are upset and well, who could blame you.......

i talked to the guys at north legion and they said you put alot of work into your 'sponsor me video'..........

they said the vid was well packaged, the still shots of you posing at the mall with your civic was a neet lifestyle idea too they said.

but the kicker was when they watched your video..........

the realized you had all the ingredients to be a smx pro, except for 1 thing.....

you couldn't ride............




they said they would consider you for a lifestyle catalouge shoot, but other than that....................



as for next year.............

train hard, train smart,train with a goal in mind..............


you'll get to the top there one day tiger, practice,practice,practice.......




just don't be so bitter ya didn't make the first ever 'smx factory flyer squad'...


:fruit: :fruit:
Well Well, that said you will fit nicely on a trike. Give me a break fan boy.

[Bukkake]

Will it take pegs? Will snowboarders yell at me for wrecking their coping too?

[gwow]

I think these guys should make one, they pretty much have the technology down packed, been in the biz for far longer and bet there are even more like them out there! Well I guess if the trike phenomenon takes off:banned: :eek: then we shall see several variations of Norwegian trike:love: , french trike :love: and possibly US trike:love: !:agree: :agree:
This for sure will bring the price point to around $300 for a top of the line super trike! Boys, you guys are being fed something that is neither novel or incredible. So fan boys please back off and read some real info before attacking me personnally.

Here is an excerpt of this company!
[In 1996, the company developed the Dualski, a new revolutionary ski concept with 2 skis very performant for those who were handicapped at the lower limb, and then designed a Uniski. This TESSIER equipment is being constantly improved upon in order to achieve much better performance. In 2001 the company innovated with the VFC (Vertical Flex Concept) Uniski and Dualski which come up to the expectations of the most demanding skiers. So, the TESSIER company can offer 2 ranges of Uniski and Dualski, one dedicated to a leisure practice, the other to a “performance” skiing.]





http://www.dualski.com/images/vfc01.jpg

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[gwow]

So seriously, NSMB how much are you getting paid to push this crap?

That's pushing it, I don't think anyone would put their neck out for something that wont deliver. I think ethically speaking a writer should inform his readers of the product in the best way possible, doesn't always happen though, whether + or - . If not he is risking to lose credibility which once damaged is hard to get back, if not impossible. Imagine buying this thing for +$1200 and finding out that it's just a glorified trike? I would be pissed, that is why it is better to rent than to buy at first. I think most people will leave with an opinion that it is nothing more than a toy for snow and not a serious downhill machine, Ski's or SB, like the rest of them. The fan boys will be heart broken though!:crybaby: :crybaby:

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[cam@nsmb.com]

Sorry - you're suggesting what I wrote will risk my credibility?

You seem to feel that you know more than everyone else. That's sort of arrogant don't you think? Have you seen the SMX in person? I realize you have it all figured out - just by looking at the pictures.

Well I saw it and was impressed. Are your credentials better than mine? You seem to think they are better than everyone's but since you are hiding behind anonymity we'll never really know will we.

We do know that you consider yourself an expert. Remember what the experts were saying about Y2K? That didn't exactly pan out did it? The list of things that get poo pooed by so-called 'experts' before they try or even see a product is a long and illustrious one. How about the folks who said dual suspension mtbs wouldn't catch on? Remember how many people slagged snowboarding as a fad? Those who hadn't tried it of course - that should hit home for you if you really are a boarder.

Here's the thing. I know a fair bit about snow and a thing or two about bikes. I saw the product and talked to one of the builders and based on that information I decided that it looks 'promising' and that I would like to try one out.

The thing is that we aren't really very good at judging things we haven't tried. We make a number of errors whenever we 'imagine' something in the future. In fact I just finished a fairly scholarly book on the subject. My daughter sometimes tells me she doesn't like some food she hasn't tried before. After she tries it she usually likes it - but sometimes not.

Either way she doesn't know until she gives it a taste.
And - say what you like - either do you.

[cam@nsmb.com]

http://www.dualski.com/images/vfc01.jpg

I just priced one in the US. It's $3800 without skis, bindings or outriggers. I haven't bought skis for awhile but let's just call it $800 and say another $400 for outriggers. I bet they are more though.

That brings it up to $5000 US. Based on today's exchange rate that would be $5700 Canadian.

That's four times as much. Is $5700 cheaper than $1400? Are you an expert at manufacturing as well?

Does that mean that the SMX is a bargain?

[gwow]

Sorry - you're suggesting what I wrote will risk my credibility?

You seem to feel that you know more than everyone else. That's sort of arrogant don't you think? Have you seen the SMX in person? I realize you have it all figured out - just by looking at the pictures.

Well I saw it and was impressed. Are your credentials better than mine? You seem to think they are better than everyone's but since you are hiding behind anonymity we'll never really know will we.

We do know that you consider yourself an expert. Remember what the experts were saying about Y2K? That didn't exactly pan out did it? The list of things that get poo pooed by so-called 'experts' before they try or even see a product is a long and illustrious one. How about the folks who said dual suspension mtbs wouldn't catch on? Remember how many people slagged snowboarding as a fad? Those who hadn't tried it of course - that should hit home for you if you really are a boarder.

Here's the thing. I know a fair bit about snow and a thing or two about bikes. I saw the product and talked to one of the builders and based on that information I decided that it looks 'promising' and that I would like to try one out.

The thing is that we aren't really very good at judging things we haven't tried. We make a number of errors whenever we 'imagine' something in the future. In fact I just finished a fairly scholarly book on the subject. My daughter sometimes tells me she doesn't like some food she hasn't tried before. After she tries it she usually likes it - but sometimes not.

Either way she doesn't know until she gives it a taste.
And - say what you like - either do you.

Let's hold up for a second, I was replying to anothers statement about getting paid and stated that perfectly clear. Who knows the person who started the topic? I don't. I never once agreed with the individual as posted or claimed otherwise. I apologize if you took it the wrong way.

I have given my credentials and have stated the obvious. Shouldn't you be content with that? I am saying what stands out. Small skis, no need for a steering ski etccccc.... I mean this is fact. Ski's are skis whether in a bigger SB configuration, sidecut, -camber etcccc. I have simply stated the dynamics of how ski's and SB function and why this wont. I'll say it again, I don't know more than anyone else but what I do know I know very well. Would you rather me lie or say what I see? After all aren't we discussing the merits of a super trike, sorry for the pun but that is what it is, it's in the dictionnary.
Never once have I aimed or been nasty with anyone here, I have given a very informative view.
You were impressed? Could you elaborate, was it turning extremely fast like say slalom? Was it really carving?
Was it under varying conditions and different grades?
Were you able to use it the way you wanted?
Was it on a particular course built out for it?
Was the rider checked for parallel performance with Ski & SB?
Were you allowed to test it the way you liked or were you limited to a test that was controlled by them?

If you look at the video you will see spray being kicked up when they turn which isn't carving. See slippage is not part of carving, carving is the ability to make optimal edge contact with the snow while turning thus resulting in a major groove being left in the snow. You see I have been trained-came natural- to look for that when I was a SB instructor, so the proof is there. I don't need to see it perform any more than that, a video speaks a thousand about its performance.
Yes I do consider myself an expert in the Snowboard field & skiing. I ,am though much stronger on boards than skis. Forget about who is the bigger expert, that wasn't my point for posting. Actually I agree with you on what the experts-academics- claimed but nevertheless I am not narrow thinker. You have to understand I come from the old school where Greg Kelly was king-best SB ever God Bless- I rememeber he retired young so the other boys could win! What a champ. When I started there were only two companies that made SB one was Burton and the other was Sims. For BMX Hoffman, Blyther.... ruled the pipe. So I have been a very early adopter of new sports decades before they even hit main stream. So to even include me in that category is ludicrous. I will try it but can guarantee that it will never hook up-carve- at the speed I ride.
To get back to the imagine part I concur 100%. Yet I have seen it function in the videos and seen plenty of pictures which is enough to tell me that it is no more than a glorified Gt racer.

Getting back to pricing the other device. What I was pointing out, this SMX is not novel. You will see plenty of other companies emulate the same system since there is already one company in the field and probably many more to come. Imagine how inexpensive China could pump these out at, very cheap.
If you really are interested in building a glorified GT racer then you should call the company and ask to buy just the system without all the bells and whistles. Better yet get the same system as in France machined from aluminum pcs, it may cost $400 machined-all of it max- and finished for the first but the following pcs after that will be cheaper. The ski's-snowblade- aren't the problem, you can buy them used or new for peanuts. This system is nothing complicated and that is why I can't understand charging more than $300 for it?? I can see why the other company may charge such an astronomical price. Disabled items aren't mass market therefore the time it takes for that company to recoup their cost is far longer hence the higher price tag.
Secondly they are mocking us, a YZ125 (motocross)cost $7000.

Anyhow it's been a pleasure and hope that if you get around it you will give us all a great description of what this thing can really do and not the makers points.


PS: The price point for the SMX is way too high, compare the components on a $1200 US MB and see for yourself. You'll get a very good bike. The only part worth anything is the shock, so why pay so much for a few welded pcs of aluminum? The rear shock is garbage. The only other notable expense is the snowblades.
Cheers
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[gwow]

I have perhaps found a very serious flaw:banned: :eek: , we know that both skis are united by a bar that makes them act in harmony with each other. In other words if one goes up the other one goes down, this system could be very troubling. Say you are turning at high speed and the outside ski-facing the fall line- hits a bump or rock? What do you think may happen before you even have the chance to try and absorb it like one would when on two ski, which both remain independent from one and other. The force will be transmitted to the inner ski causing you to roll or flip, the same would apply if the inner ski hit or went over an obstacle. In other words it seems like a flawed system that will simultaneously redirect the energy to the opposing ski, very dangerous.

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[gwow]

Thanks Cam for letting me post, I appreciate it.

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[cam@nsmb.com]

No worries.

As I said above I haven't tried it yet - but I'm looking forward to the opportunity.

[Pampita]

No worries.

As I said above I haven't tried it yet - but I'm looking forward to the opportunity.

If you don't like the bike I've got a nice toy you can play with ;)

[stacy kohut]

dude, man are you sharp.........

thanks for posting the link to the dual ski 6 PAGES AFTER I POSTED IT ON THE FIRSTPAGE.............


you should learn to read all the posts and the content in the post before you run your trap.



next thing...............


have you ever tried a dual ski?







and with your last couple posts, you have showed absolutely no knowledge of the manufacturing process...........

[Hack On Wheels]

So if you compare the carving of the SMX directly to skis, yet claim that it might not work as well, how can you then go pack and say it would be just like a GT snowthingy? The fact is that, unlike the GT, the SMX can use the edges of the blades to carve. On that note, when you lean a bicycle for a high speed corner, you really don't use the steering itself to very much, shockingly enough, and then as you have tried to claim the SMX is fairly similar in this respect...
I think you need to read everything over again, go find some logic, and then come back here and try again. There are way too many contradictions and fallacies which you rely on for you argument to even be taken very seriously. Find a flaw and stick with it, don't then jump to talking about another "flaw" and say something which contradicts your earlier stance. Maybe try a course on debating?

Oh and the price problem, are you in favour of low quality craftsmanship? That is the only way to bring the price down significantly. The fact is that the materials and components alone will cost more than your ideal $300, and on top of those costs are the costs for labour involved, and they do need to recoup their losses, and no, they DO NOT have a large market.
By the way, people on skis also throw up spray when they carve, the snow and the technique isn't necessarily perfect to facilitate spray-less carving.
You still have failed to point out how being strapped to a plank and going down a mountain is more manly than riding a "glorified trike". Being strapped to a plank is, if anything, more dangerous and stupid, therefore childish and ill-advised.

[sc_ryda]

100% troll

http://vpfree.pinkbike.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=144192

[gwow]

[quote=Hack On Wheels]So if you compare the carving of the SMX directly to skis, yet claim that it might not work as well, how can you then go pack and say it would be just like a GT snowthingy? The fact is that, unlike the GT, the SMX can use the edges of the blades to carve. On that note, when you lean a bicycle for a high speed corner, you really don't use the steering itself to very much, shockingly enough, and then as you have tried to claim the SMX is fairly similar in this respect...]


SMX_ Nope, nope nope, do bikes steer on their rear wheels??? NOOOOOOOOO simple, they turn on both. Is their point of support-tire contact with ground- right in the center of them or at shoulder width? Once again it is at center which the SMX is not. Basically you are agreeing that the third ski is useless for turning, so then why not just buy snowblades and forget about that Trike steering. See when we really dig into it, we find that it is nothing novel or innovative.


[I think you need to read everything over again, go find some logic, and then come back here and try again. ]

You personally attack me but make absolutely no sense, I for one give hardcore evidence using the dynamics of cycling and skiing to support my points. All you guys are doing is giving a little drivel, like o mine is bigger than yours argument. Unfortunatley that wont stick for buying a $1200 ski tricycle.


[There are way too many contradictions and fallacies which you rely on for you argument to even be taken very seriously. Find a flaw and stick with it, don't then jump to talking about another "flaw" and say something which contradicts your earlier stance. Maybe try a course on debating?]

Once again you attack, remember don't shoot the messenger!
Contradictions? I am not the first to say this will fail, check other editors, magazines or websites. Once again what is the flaw? That the skis being small will always be unstable no matter what, even if you strapped them to your head. It will never carve well-say 60%- at anything below mediocre ski speed and evidenced in the video by its spray pattern which carving does not do. The irrelevance of the third ski for turning, the false sense of balance when landing on the trike due to its shoulder likke stance. Its incapability of slalom at nothing more than a tricycle speed? I can repeat all of them if you like supported by all my years in the SB instructing business and the understanding I have for the dynamics of ski's.

[Oh and the price problem, are you in favour of low quality craftsmanship? That is the only way to bring the price down significantly. ]

That's why China makes just about everything, who do you really think sounds stupid?

[ The fact is that the materials and components alone will cost more than your ideal $300, and on top of those costs are the costs for labour involved, and they do need to recoup their losses, and no, they DO NOT have a large market.]

The aluminum for that bike depending which grade, I think it's 6061 T6 ,the more common, should run for about $150 retail for the size tubing they have used for the trike.

[By the way, people on skis also throw up spray when they carve, the snow and the technique isn't necessarily perfect to facilitate spray-less carving.]

BS! Carving is the ability to deflect the board while on edge so that optimal contact is achieved between the snow and edge. What is so hard to understand,? Sliding is not carving, spin it the way you like it still wont change the fact. See people that are throwing up spray is because the ski is sliding and not grooving its way through the snow. Simple, spray=sliding, carve= tremedous cutting sound in snow+ absolutely NO spray. It explains itself though. Now go find yourself someone who can carve which isn't a rarity and check for yourself.

[You still have failed to point out how being strapped to a plank and going down a mountain is more manly than riding a "glorified trike". Being strapped to a plank is, if anything, more dangerous and stupid, therefore childish and ill-advised.]

Please SB is the equivalent to surfing in every way except we don't have to paddle, this is good for the not so physical crowd, nor do we need to duck dive or hold our breath while being dumped for over a minute at a time. Trikes were things we did when we were babies until we got a litlle older and into the more serious sports like the ones the SMX is comparing itself to. Dude comparing surfing to tricycling is the funniest thing I have heard in all of 2006, putting Snowboarding in the same category is even funnier. The Trike will never be able to keep up with the performance, not even 40% for that matter of these other amazing ideas.

Secondly I find a flaw in the design, you insult me, and anyone with the least common sense can correlate to what I have said. Both skis are attached to the same bar which is like a car that doesn't have independent suspension. What do you think will happen when someone turns fast and the outside ski- perpendicular to the fall line-hits a rough bump etcc....... the energy will be immediately transferred to the inside ski causing the unit to roll over towards the fall line. This is thing is flawed.IMO They should have had it set up differently, I can't wait to see someone slalom:agree: :agree: , they're going to be trolling down the hill! Trolling is the equivalent of rolling for us North American people naming trike motion.

I've been pretty sincere with my comments about this $1200 super trike. Rent before you buy.


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[gwow]

If you don't like the bike I've got a nice toy you can play with ;)

Sorry I already have a favorite toy:flame: . Brunette, blue eyes and caring:love: . She has Carves and all. I checked your profile, if you want a rich man you better have lots to offer and not just good looks. A dime a dozen stufff....... you know the rest.

[Pampita]

Sorry I already have a favorite toy:flame: . Brunette, blue eyes and caring:love: . She has Carves and all. I checked your profile, if you want a rich man you better have lots to offer and not just good looks. A dime a dozen stufff....... you know the rest.

My post wasn't directed at you dear and the fact that I quoted Cam should have made that obvious. With intelligence like that I guess we all know what type of girl you go after.

[skifreak]

I've been pretty sincere with my comments about this $1200 super trike. Rent before you buy.

G

Considering how many pages you have ranted about this trike? and accused Cam of a sales pitch, whats your angle? You have a lot of dislike for the SMX? Care to elaborate?

I'm sure a lot of us are thinking the same thing.

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[Wayne P]

Why does anyone care so much? Its a product (like everything) that's for people who want it, not for people who don't.

Cam's right about the snowboarding likeness. This takes me back to the late '80's when most people still thought it was a fad. Skateboarding too for that matter - look at the size of those two industries now. There's no reason why these snow bikes can't reach the same level. It might actually be good for mountain biking too.

[gwow]

Considering how many pages you have ranted about this trike? and accused Cam of a sales pitch, whats your angle? You have a lot of dislike for the SMX? Care to elaborate?

I'm sure a lot of us are thinking the same thing.

C

Woops, I never accused Cam of any sales pitch, period. Check the thread, it was someone else. I actually took a defensive- in favor of this site- stand on the matter.
I have simply stated an opinion about something that is a gloriefied GT racer, nothing more nothing less. Serious skiers and SB's know that this will fail before it even gets out the door. They are aware that this is just a toy with no serious intent. As a matter of fact the whole debate is simple, you do not need two skis to turn never mind three. It's been proven by SB. So the point being is, isn't it a little much-$1200- for someone to pay? If you ask me it is ridiculous when you think you can buy the original for under $50 used.

Secondly, I have no angle:eek: . You would have seen that if you had read all my posts.

Lastly, the reason I came here is to state the trike factor system is nothing new .......or efficient in purpose or design.IMO

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[skifreak]

Woops, I never accused Cam of any sales pitch, period. Check the thread, it was someone else. I actually took a defensive- in favor of this site- stand on the matter.

sorry I didn't spend the time to go back but you had been rather offensive to the article that was written, but you have come across as being quite strongly against this product and it really sounds like you have some falling out with the company.

Lastly, the reason I came here is to state the trike factor system is nothing new .......or efficient in purpose or design.IMO

G

You haven't seen the product in person, you haven't ridden the product, you haven't tested it in a working environment you are only speculating. Come back after some of us out here have a chance to test the product and give our full opinions on it. For me - it looks fun and that's all there is to it.

[gwow]

Why does anyone care so much? Its a product (like everything) that's for people who want it, not for people who don't.

Cam's right about the snowboarding likeness. This takes me back to the late '80's when most people still thought it was a fad. Skateboarding too for that matter - look at the size of those two industries now. There's no reason why these snow bikes can't reach the same level. It might actually be good for mountain biking too.

Have any idea how long ski bikes have been around for? Since the early 70's.
Do you know how most are used and that they use two ski's, one for steering and the other as a seat?The user utilizes two additional snowblades on their feet for stability. Now do you start seeing the resemblance? SMX took the back ski of the original and just added two, just like training wheels on a baby bike. This is a lame idea if you ask me and besides who in the hell needs baby wheels that is over 2 years old? At the worst check out Hanson bikes, there you will see people who do not need-trainer wheels-two skis in back for stability.'

In other words the simple concept is nothing novel or cool which is what is needed for success. When I refer to novel I mean, faster, nimbler, precise, exhilarating.
There needs to be more of a serious attempt if ski biking is ever to become a sport.

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[Wayne P]

I'm well aware of how long all these sports have been around. Snowboarding was essentially surfing (or skateboarding depending on your background) on snow with a piece of wood. It took some interest and good marketing to grow that sport into what it is today.

But really, who cares? If someone wants to spend a million bucks on an "over glorified GT Snoracer" then so what? If they're having fun and not hurting anyone, who cares? If these guys make great I guess, if they don't, then oh well.....


This arguement typifies debating on the internet - it makes little sense.

[gwow]

sorry I didn't spend the time to go back but you had been rather offensive to the article that was written, but you have come across as being quite strongly against this product and it really sounds like you have some falling out with the company.



You haven't seen the product in person, you haven't ridden the product, you haven't tested it in a working environment you are only speculating. Come back after some of us out here have a chance to test the product and give our full opinions on it. For me - it looks fun and that's all there is to it.

You guys are new to this ski bike thing, hey? I can see that. Why would you think I have no clue as to what this trike can do? There are plenty of bikes out there, just check it out. I have informed people on this forum who never probably had a clue as to what this trike was. Rent a ski bob with the snowblades that are provided with them and voila there is your SMX with independent suspension, your legs! That is the best trike system.
You'll see, if you run your own independent tes,t that I am right. Then perhaps you guys can use me as a forecaster for the industry.

I will repeat again, I do not have any association with this company. Why is it that when someone has a solid argument on a futur product that everyone thinks there is motive? Is it the same for the ones who cheer?

To make everyone here feel even better, all current attempts at ski bikes or trikes have been lame....voila.

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[gwow]

I'm well aware of how long all these sports have been around. Snowboarding was essentially surfing (or skateboarding depending on your background) on snow with a piece of wood. It took some interest and good marketing to grow that sport into what it is today.

But really, who cares? If someone wants to spend a million bucks on an "over glorified GT Snoracer" then so what? If they're having fun and not hurting anyone, who cares? If these guys make great I guess, if they don't, then oh well.....


This arguement typifies debating on the internet - it makes little sense.


I concur, it's everyones choice. What I am doing is adding the realistic side to all the pumping. Notice how everyone who says go SMX go has no solid argument other than it looks like a trike on wheels? I've basically ran the test free of charge, prove it if I'm wrong.

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[skifreak]

I will repeat again, I do not have any association with this company. Why is it that when someone has a solid argument on a futur product that everyone thinks there is motive? Is it the same for the ones who cheer?

To make everyone here feel even better, all current attempts at ski bikes or trikes have been lame....voila.

G

Look at it this way G - you signed up on this forum and every one of your posts has been negative against this single product.

You say all current attempts have been lame. according to you? according to your desires? most every other product has had one negative - not able to be used on the actual ski hills.

Only in the last few years have we come upon slopestyle courses for bikes. BMX's that were once thrown in a back storage are now being turned into tramp bikes for practicing tricks in the winter. Why not have another fun way to practice tail whips, back flips etc. with a bike like position. It's just a new play on an old product, but its something different - also a few people could share one vs snowboards or skis that are pretty much for just the one user.

As a skiing / boarding family I think it could be kinda fun to rip it up on one of these when the kids typically have trouble keeping up with me on the slopes.

Agreeing with Cam - I can't wait to try it.

[Wayne P]

I concur, it's everyones choice. What I am doing is adding the realistic side to all the pumping. Notice how everyone who says go SMX go has no solid argument other than it looks like a trike on wheels? I've basically ran the test free of charge, prove it if I'm wrong.

G

Hey I'm not pumping anything. It could be crap, it could be great, I for one don't know. I'm all for a healthy dose of cyicism in day to day life. It doesn't mean that people aren't really stoked on trying it out - nothing wrong with that. Let the users decide for themselves if it's good or not.

[stacy kohut]

its a very simple question.............


have you ever tried a dualski?





the dual ski and the smx will handle very similar...............


have you tried a smx?
have you tried a dual ski?


a yes or no answer will suffice...............

no need to write a novel, just answer the question.




if you have not tried something, how do you know how it will be?

do you have some crazy super power that nobody else in the world has?.

dude, whats your freakin angle........?

[Wayne P]

dude, whats your freakin angle........?

He says there isn't one, but the way he's writing suggests there is.

[Sethimus]

@ gwow, one question for you:

what do you think about snowscoots?

[mudpuppy]

It looks like fun...thats all I care about.

[gwow]

[Look at it this way G - you signed up on this forum and every one of your posts has been negative against this single product.]

Wrong again, I have said all these troll machines, SMX, Crighton and the likes are all garbage and don't offer any new exhilarating sensations. I have put the category of what is known today as ski bikes as garbage.

[You say all current attempts have been lame. according to you? according to your desires? most every other product has had one negative - not able to be used on the actual ski hills. ]
Wrong again, first of all they all don't offer any high level of performance, other than spinning a bar youpppppppiiii, that is needed to get an awesome feel, like say skiing or SB'ing. As far as not being able to be used, that is false, there are many resorts globally that allow trike users. Check it out......They just don't catch on, they look weird can't even keep up with a slow SB etc.................. tell me why is it that K2 one of the biggest ski brands got out of selling the K2 snowcycle? Simple because it wasn't selling and neither will a trike.

[Only in the last few years have we come upon slopestyle courses for bikes. BMX's that were once thrown in a back storage are now being turned into tramp bikes for practicing tricks in the winter. Why not have another fun way to practice tail whips, back flips etc. with a bike like position. It's just a new play on an old product, but its something different - also a few people could share one vs snowboards or skis that are pretty much for just the one user.]

Did you not see the price on the Hanson product? It's nearly 1/8th the price of an SMX. So why buy one? Besides the point why purchase if you already have a BMX frame? You'll get a better feel for your landings with just one ski as opposed to two of which gives a false perception of sticking the landing. It is the equivalent of landing in wide stance on ski's.

[As a skiing / boarding family I think it could be kinda fun to rip it up on one of these when the kids typically have trouble keeping up with me on the slopes.

Agreeing with Cam - I can't wait to try it.[/quote]]

I agree, it is nothing more than a toy for kids under 8 to practice their jumps during the winter until the snow clears and the real riding starts. But as far as adults go there really is no need for the trike. You'll get the exact same feeling jumping with snowblades without counting on a front support to wreck your real summer riding style.

Have you noticed one thing though, that not many here agree with the technical issues I have brought up, funny.........


G

[stacy kohut]

you wrote another novel....................









Have you noticed one thing though, that not many here agree with the technical issues I have brought up, funny.........


what does the above mean?

in fact most of us agree any technical issues you have brought up are moot until you have actually tried the technology.

[gwow]

its a very simple question.............


have you ever tried a dualski?





the dual ski and the smx will handle very similar...............


have you tried a smx?
have you tried a dual ski?


a yes or no answer will suffice...............

no need to write a novel, just answer the question.




if you have not tried something, how do you know how it will be?

do you have some crazy super power that nobody else in the world has?.

dude, whats your freakin angle........?

I have tried all different kinds of snow bikes, they're all garbage and are nothing more than a lazy mans device to sit down while skiing.

Tell me if you watch a sports game and are an expert in the matter do you need to see the play live to understand what is happening? Simple,no. Neither do I, I have seen enough footage, pictures and used emy background to know this is nothing more-once again- than a glorified tricycle on snow.

Say you go and buy a sports car, do you need to try out the car if you are buying a Porsche rear engine, Ferrari rear engine or Viper front mid engine? Well the answer is pretty simple, all cars once tried whether it be all of the above categories act very similar to one and other if in the same category. For example I can tell you that since the Porsche is rear mounted, behind the rear axle then you will need to be more aggressive in the corners to make sure the tires stick unlike other front or mid engine lay outs. To make a long story short, I have tried many different contraptions over the years to tell you that this is not the answer.

G

[gwow]

you wrote another novel....................








Have you noticed one thing though, that not many here agree with the technical issues I have brought up, funny.........


what does the above mean?

in fact most of us agree any technical issues you have brought up are moot until you have actually tried the technology.


What technology? LOL

Two skis tied to each other via a bar, they're not even independent!:clap: :clap:
Say that again.:|

[stacy kohut]

you have not tried out this type of snowbike, because this is the first one of its kind.

this turning style/technology has never been applied to a snow bike until now, the smx.

so unless you have rode a dual ski, dude, you just don't know..........
thats all any of us are saying............you don't know, you can speculate, but thats all.............








good luck with your 'anti smx campaign'..........

[gwow]

you have not tried out this type of snowbike, because this is the first one of its kind.

this turning style/technology has never been applied to a snow bike until now, the smx.

so unless you have rode a dual ski, dude, you just don't know..........
thats all any of us are saying............you don't know, you can speculate, but thats all.............








good luck with your 'anti smx campaign'..........


I've answered a few of your questions, now it's my turn.

What is the difference between a ski bob where the user has the two skis on his feet and both remain independent from each other and the difference between to ski tied to a bar-like legs- attached to skis for the SMX? None. Go ahead though.

All the SMX is replicating is what two snowblades do when a skier angles them, it's not science. If you don't agree with the ski bob comparison then tell me why since they both have handlebars and can be spun around?

We know, a few here have already admitted it. That the front ski has literally no function other than at low speeds, spinning or front support. What I am stating here is that a regular snowblader will keep up with you without having to dish out over $1200 US. So what is so enticing about that. I saw it with my own eyes, skiers envied us SB'rs and then soon started to migrate due to the fact that we could do things like carving that was never done before. Do you not think these same kind of late adopters would have bought a ski bike if they thought spinning the bar was so cool. Answer is no, they've had a chance since the 70's to do just that. As far as anything else, well it does allow the user to sit on a tricycle for snow. There isn't much difference between the ski bob and the SMX except that ski bob doesn't have two training-wheels- ski's in the back.
It is better if compared since it at least lets the user legs act as the bars to absorb various terrain, think about it....... the ski on the SMX are identical as if you had two legs strapped to the ski's? Worse yet the SMX is higher-pegs- thus losing important point of contact with the ski. Look at it this way would a slalom skier be standing on a platform to be quicker and nimbler? No
Once again this is not a campaign , I am just shedding light on something that is none more than a toy.

G

[stacy kohut]

the difference?

its all in the 'stacking' style during the turn phase.

ski bobs rely on stacking thru the legs directly to the ground.
the smx allows for stacking thru the legs, then thru the bike to the ground.

by stacking thru the bike to the ground, the style and sensation of the turn is greatly different to the 'ski bob' style.

[gwow]

[so unless you have rode a dual ski, dude, you just don't know..........
thats all any of us are saying............you don't know, you can speculate, but thats all.............]\


Dude do we really need to try in order to extrapolate. Don't you think I have ever skied parallel before? Please your argument is so weak. Let me explain again, tricycle stance, not independent skis that try to mimick a bad parallel
skier that are tied to one and other , kissing the bar position with knees in face, small skis unable to perform at nothing more than mediocre beginner ski speed....I mean you don't think someone with my background:cool: can't surely figure it out?

G

[stacy kohut]

yes.

we really do need to try things before we comment.


its not my rule, thats just the way it is.

[skifreak]

well I won't have to wait long to report back - should be trying it out personally in about a week! Until then Gwow - just lay off the negative for a bit - extrapolation will get you in trouble all the time.

[gwow]

@ gwow, one question for you:

what do you think about snowscoots?

Sorry I made you wait for the response.

I think snowscoots are fun toys for kids but nothing more, you see I am debating the merits of this being bought by anyone other than 10 years old.
I keep it simple, if it doesn't attract me I look into it and see why.

I mean I am sure this could be tremendous fun for young kids. Is it really smart if we let them go up a lift with a unit that probably weighs over 35 lbs while skiers are passing underneath them? I think not. This stuff is for bunny slopes. Toys and toboggans should be kept off the runs.

G

[gwow]

well I won't have to wait long to report back - should be trying it out personally in about a week! Until then Gwow - just lay off the negative for a bit - extrapolation will get you in trouble all the time.


Are you an avid skier? Then you should concur.
You know as well as I what I am saying is right about ski size for turning and speed. The two ski system tied together is flawed you know it, do we ski with both our legs working on a vertical plane all at once, I don't think so.


I can't wait to hear the feedback of how it was tested and to what extent.

G

[gwow]

Sorry, it should be titled North Legion SMX potential problems. That's what it should be called!:clap:

[Couch_Surfer]

Sorry, it should be titled North Legion SMX potential problems. That's what it should be called!:clap:

Alternate titles could include:

the SMX thread - How much FUD can one guy type?

[gwow]

Who the hell was the jury -trolls-who gave them an award?:| :|

[stacy kohut]

shhhhhhhhh, quiet now, lets wait for skifreak's test.

[SEKTER13]

gwow, I tried to read what you were typing but the average crackhead is more organized. You could say 99% of this dribble in a few sentences, why do you keep droning on and on like an 8th grader trying to sound intelligent? It really does appear as though you have some personal issue with North Legion, someone unafiliated probally wouldnt seem so emotionally distressed at the fact that north legion is trying to sell a new product...

If someone asks you a yes or no question, you can actually answer it in a few words, you dont need a whole story. You havnt tried the product, period. You can speculate all you want, but the bottom line is you never tried it, that makes anything you say pure speculation. Go try one, and if you were right then you proved your hypothesis. If not, then its time to formulate a new one. This is how the world works. If science reasoned the way you do wewould all still be living in the dark ages.

[Wayne P]

I can't believe this is something to get worked up over.

[gwow]

I can't believe this is something to get worked up over.

makes you wonder why they're getting worked up? hmmmmm

[gwow]

gwow, I tried to read what you were typing but the average crackhead is more organized. You could say 99% of this dribble in a few sentences, why do you keep droning on and on like an 8th grader trying to sound intelligent? It really does appear as though you have some personal issue with North Legion, someone unafiliated probally wouldnt seem so emotionally distressed at the fact that north legion is trying to sell a new product...

If someone asks you a yes or no question, you can actually answer it in a few words, you dont need a whole story. You havnt tried the product, period. You can speculate all you want, but the bottom line is you never tried it, that makes anything you say pure speculation. Go try one, and if you were right then you proved your hypothesis. If not, then its time to formulate a new one. This is how the world works. If science reasoned the way you do wewould all still be living in the dark ages.

Once again we deal with childish insults, sad...... See in life before someone commits to any sort of trial and error experiments you can actually extrapolate using common knowledge which judging by some comments made here most don't have. You can use FEA-google it smarty- tools to check design criteria etcetcetc...... For some reason though you think that small skis and the rest of the issues, links , knowledge that I brought up with this contraption have no basis and that the SMX is something novel that we have yet to see, it is neither novel except for the third baby ski in front. Is this is why you claim we cannot come to any sort of conclusion? Sorry that isn't the truth. The matter is this is nothing new and thus we can have a strong argument as to what it may and may not do by past data accessible to anyone or your own. Just like I could tell you by the shape of a ski and its length what it will be strong at.
Now why do you think I need to sound intelligent? Come back to me when you have 1/4 brain to use and we shall discuss the dynamic elements behind this design, from which judging by your comments still don't get. Once again here goes, bla bla bla ....you have issues with North Legion....sad but just because I bring up key points doesn't mean I am affiliated with them in any way, this is soooooooo funny. Are you a North Legion troll?

By the way extrapolating and speculation are two very different words but then again it would help you once in a while to pick up the dictionnary. Here let me help you

Definition: extrapolate

1. transitive and intransitive verb infer: to use known facts as the starting point from which to draw inferences or conclusions about something unknown
We try to avoid extrapolating a flu epidemic from mere anecdotal evidence.


2. transitive verb estimate value: to estimate a value that falls outside a range of known values, e.g. by extending a curve on a graph

Definition: speculation

1. opinion based on incomplete information: a conclusion, theory, or opinion based on incomplete facts or information


2. reasoning based on incomplete information: reasoning based on incomplete facts or information
mere speculation


3. risky transaction: a financial transaction that involves risk, but is potentially profitable
a failed speculation on a dot-com


4. making of risky transactions: the practice of engaging in financial transactions that are risky, but potentially profitable

[gwow]

Once again we deal with childish insults, sad...... See in life before someone commits to any sort of trial and error experiments you can actually extrapolate using common knowledge which judging by some comments made here most don't have. You can use FEA-google it smarty- tools to check design criteria etcetcetc...... For some reason though you think that small skis and the rest of the issues, links , knowledge that I brought up with this contraption have no basis and that the SMX is something novel that we have yet to see, it is neither novel except for the third baby ski in front. Is this is why you claim we cannot come to any sort of conclusion? Sorry that isn't the truth. The matter is this is nothing new and thus we can have a strong argument as to what it may and may not do by past data accessible to anyone or your own. Just like I could tell you by the shape of a ski and its length what it will be strong at.
Now why do you think I need to sound intelligent? Come back to me when you have 1/4 brain to use and we shall discuss the dynamic elements behind this design, from which judging by your comments still don't get. Once again here goes, bla bla bla ....you have issues with North Legion....sad but just because I bring up key points doesn't mean I am affiliated with them in any way, this is soooooooo funny. Are you a North Legion troll?

By the way extrapolating and speculation are two very different words but then again it would help you once in a while to pick up the dictionnary. Here let me help you

Definition: extrapolate

1. transitive and intransitive verb infer: to use known facts as the starting point from which to draw inferences or conclusions about something unknown
We try to avoid extrapolating a flu epidemic from mere anecdotal evidence.


2. transitive verb estimate value: to estimate a value that falls outside a range of known values, e.g. by extending a curve on a graph

Definition: speculation

1. opinion based on incomplete information: a conclusion, theory, or opinion based on incomplete facts or information


2. reasoning based on incomplete information: reasoning based on incomplete facts or information
mere speculation


3. risky transaction: a financial transaction that involves risk, but is potentially profitable
a failed speculation on a dot-com


4. making of risky transactions: the practice of engaging in financial transactions that are risky, but potentially profitable


Guy's notice how Cam never disagreed with me.... my key points? He said he will test it. I await.....the full report... go Cam go..... just wear good roll over protection if you ride that thing as strong as on a board or skis.

[Turn7]

Say you go and buy a sports car, do you need to try out the car if you are buying a Porsche rear engine, Ferrari rear engine or Viper front mid engine? Well the answer is pretty simple, all cars once tried whether it be all of the above categories act very similar to one and other if in the same category. For example I can tell you that since the Porsche is rear mounted, behind the rear axle then you will need to be more aggressive in the corners to make sure the tires stick unlike other front or mid engine lay outs.
G

I was really hoping that Stacy's request was going to stick! [shhhhh]


gwow, from what you mentioned about cars shows you really don't have a clue what you are talking about.
You have proved to me that there is more than one topic that you know very little.

[Couch_Surfer]

I think the big question you don't answer gwow is:
"Why do you care so much"?

I don't think I've ever read so much FUD about a product on this site bar none. It's pretty hard to believe you don't have a connection or an agenda based on your posting history.

Personally - I think they look dumb and have little interest. But I can't imagine going to the lengths you do to justify that position.

[Wayne P]

makes you wonder why they're getting worked up? hmmmmm

No that comment I made was directed at you GWOW.

What's your real name anyway?

[skifreak]

gwow - do you know who stacey is and what knowledge he might have about said products in discussion?

And again - those of us who have been on this board for a long time get the conspiracy shields up when someone joins a forum and every single lengthy post is laced with negativity to this product.

Fess up - you're in Montreal, what project were you involved with? I don't think Cam or the other mods will stand for such a negative board member for much longer.

[gwow]

I was really hoping that Stacy's request was going to stick! [shhhhh]


gwow, from what you mentioned about cars shows you really don't have a clue what you are talking about.
You have proved to me that there is more than one topic that you know very little.


Let's talk, I hold an international FIA F1600- F2000 racing license, go for it wise guy....... owned several exotics and raced F1600 & F2000......another one who blows wind? :clap: :clap:
Insulting is your only way?:|

[stacy kohut]

i think when you try this thing, you are gonna have some fun..

it might take ya a half a day to get some of the angulation with your hips and feet dialled, but really, as a skier and a biker, the ride will be quite natural.


and while this smx will never make it to the 2010 olympics, it will be FUN.


whats wrong with fun............................



shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhh.
skifreak should have the next word on this issue, in about a week.

skifreak.......do you get to ride 'you know whos' smx, or is there another one in your area?

[gwow]

gwow - do you know who stacey is and what knowledge he might have about said products in discussion?

And again - those of us who have been on this board for a long time get the conspiracy shields up when someone joins a forum and every single lengthy post is laced with negativity to this product.

Fess up - you're in Montreal, what project were you involved with? I don't think Cam or the other mods will stand for such a negative board member for much longer.

Once again let's keep our private matters out of this and let's talk North Legion SMX.
Why so negative, I have said it is a great toy nothing more. Would you like me instead to say it is a great SB and ski beating monster? No I wont. I am shedding light on reality.

So let's recap.

Do small skis-snowblades- provide stability like SB or skis? Answer is no.

Do small skis offer greater or same turning prowess than its bigger counter parts or SB? No

Do skis tied to a parallel bar offer independent control versus one and other? No

Is the parallel system novel? No, already done by a frenchmen.

Do we need a third ski tied to a handlebar to turn? No.

Does the third ski contribute to anything other than very low speed turns and front stability? NO

Is it sized for adult users? No.

Is it a great beginner toy for kids who want to learn to jump while having side stability when landing? Yes, guys this is a positive.

I have more but let's stick to these. Why do you say I am so negative, there is direct evidence and facts to support my statements. Would you like me to say otherwise? Why would anyone want to kick off a user who is simply stating his opinion and sticking by it? You can try changing my opinion by supporting it with facts and not just..... o this has never been done before argument.

Please guys stick to the subject and quit attacking me. If you do not agree, then please let us debate using facts.

[stacy kohut]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

go to sleep, go to sleep, close your big blood shot eyes, go to sleep, go to sleep, ..................

[gwow]

i think when you try this thing, you are gonna have some fun..

it might take ya a half a day to get some of the angulation with your hips and feet dialled, but really, as a skier and a biker, the ride will be quite natural.


and while this smx will never make it to the 2010 olympics, it will be FUN.


whats wrong with fun............................



shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhh.
skifreak should have the next word on this issue, in about a week.

skifreak.......do you get to ride 'you know whos' smx, or is there another one in your area?

Well Skifreak has already taken a defensive stance and why? hmmmmm

He should have debated with me on all my key points which pretty much anyone in the industry would agree with. Why defend something that looks like a trike? Shouln't we be looking at what it is and its potential abilities, just like people do when looking at futur products. Let's look at the new Burton powder board that has a wider nose for better float on powder. I mean boys come on, even you can see what the board will do without even trying it due to its wider tip.
Hope I didn't offend anyone here with my facts, if so then I don't know why it would. Sorry...

[gwow]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

go to sleep, go to sleep, close your big blood shot eyes, go to sleep, go to sleep, ..................

I ask for facts and you deliver insults???????

[stacy kohut]

shhhhhhhhhh, go to sleep go to sleep, close your crystal clear healthy 20/20 vision eyes........go to sleep go to sleep.

[Wayne P]

What's your real name?

[Couch_Surfer]

I'm with Wayne - how about full disclosure here gwow.

There is way too much FUD for you not to have an agenda.

[gwow]

What's your real name?

What'ss your real name?
Are you married?
What do you do on your weekends?:clap: :clap: Sarcastic
What a comedy, all of my personal matters do not concern anyone on this board. What we should be discussing are my facts and of course yours if you have any. The North Legion SMX is my topic, why not answer the questions I have asked starting with the people who are denying them and insulting me in return?

You guys keep asking me if I had a run in with North Legion?
I have said it on multiple occasions, NO! It's not that hard to understand, just because I point many issues out with the trike contraption it then puts me in that category, toooo funny! Then you ask again if I have an inside agenda,aaaaahhhhhaaaaa, sorry guys I don't make trikes or any troll like things nor am I in any association with troll land.

[gwow]

http://bb.nsmb.com/showpost.php?p=1528724&postcount=126

[Wayne P]

Wayne Parsons, 33, married to Selena Lawrie, 37, residing in Kamloops. On weekends I usually go out for a dirtbike ride, look after kids, and do household stuff. And you?

Anything I say here I would say to anyone's face. I'm not hiding.

I'm not questioning facts or lack of, I just want to know who we're dealing with here. Not a big deal if you have nothing to hide.

[gwow]

Wayne Parsons, 33, married to Selena Lawrie, 37, residing in Kamloops. On weekends I usually go out for a dirtbike ride, look after kids, and do household stuff. And you?

Anything I say here I would say to anyone's face. I'm not hiding.

I'm not questioning facts or lack of, I just want to know who we're dealing with here. Not a big deal if you have nothing to hide.

Well wayne it's a pleasure but I still don't release info on the web, sorry........that's just the way I do things. Nice that you ride dirt, especially in beautiful Kamloops. I used to ride YZ125 a little over 4 years ago before my accelerator got stuck returning back to my home- manufacturing defect on the YZ of that year- and hit a car in a wheelie position. I was flat out and in power band it was the front wheel or my frame, I chose the latter and lifted my bike. I never saw my groin area so blue in my life....
Anyhow Wayne, you can't say I don't bring up key issues with the little trike. If you are in the distribution business, you should take a rather cautious approach towards these trikes, my bet is you already are. A $1200 price point is something that not too many people are willing to fork out for a trike toy. I would have been less skeptical if it had been in the $300- $400 range which puts it $200(retail price) above a pair of fully equiped snowblades:werd: with boots and bindings.

Anyhow, listen if you really want to yap on key-trike- things I am definitely a go. I guess you're watching the industry closely to find what will be the next big thing, this most likely is not it. There are just to many issues. IMO
Are you an early adopter of new ideas? I am, which you will see with my numerous posts.

[skifreak]

http://bb.nsmb.com/showpost.php?p=1528724&postcount=126

I'm going to wait to make any comments until I've tested the trike myself. and guess what - I'm probably going to have FUN!!!

You didn't answer my questions either so why should I answer yours.

[skifreak]

Gwow - please explain your attacks upon North Legion on these pages...

http://extreme-adrenaline.com/north-legion-smx/

http://digg.com/extreme_sports/New_adrenaline_on_snow_North_Legion_SMX

http://thegoat.backcountry.com/blog/2006/10/24/north-legion-smx/

http://vpfree.pinkbike.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=144192&highlight=smx

http://vpfree.pinkbike.com/bb/search.php?search_author=gwew

Cam - Freedom of speech is one thing but this guy just has it in for North Legion for some reason.

[Bowen]

No wonder gwow doesnt post like to post his info on the web. With beliefs and views like that he would have alot of unfriendly vistors.

[Couch_Surfer]

Gwow - please explain your attacks upon North Legion on these pages...

http://extreme-adrenaline.com/north-legion-smx/

http://digg.com/extreme_sports/New_adrenaline_on_snow_North_Legion_SMX

http://thegoat.backcountry.com/blog/2006/10/24/north-legion-smx/

http://vpfree.pinkbike.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=144192&highlight=smx

http://vpfree.pinkbike.com/bb/search.php?search_author=gwew

Cam - Freedom of speech is one thing but this guy just has it in for North Legion for some reason.


Classic - cut and paste of the same FUD on each page.

gwow, just be honest. it's painfully apparant that you're following an agenda. we just want to know why.

[gwow]

Classic - cut and paste of the same FUD on each page.

gwow, just be honest. it's painfully apparant that you're following an agenda. we just want to know why.

I don't put up with BS simple, I am.... say a rebel with a cause. When someone comes out and says that a trike will stop quicker than ski's or SB's it immediatly gets my attention as something utterly false, unless of course there is a novel way of stopping? Perhaps on your head? Nothing bad in keeping things real.....
Now once again let's keep the personal questions and attacks aside, and answer these. You guys, I guess a group haven't answered the questions:clap: :clap: .

[Wayne P]

I have no intrest in working within the snowsports industry first and foremost.

Besides, if you don't have an alterior motive, posting your name does not get you in trouble. Its an internet forum for christ sake! I'll just get the Mods to pm me your IP and your e-mail addresses. Not posting up your vitals proves that you have something at stake with or against this company, no matter what you say.

You have me so intrigued by these kids trikes that now I really want to try one! I didn't care a whole lot before, but now with all this free publicity you've given them, look out! Who's with me?!!

Seriously dude, you seem to be threatened by this product by how much you loathe it without actually trying it first. That makes me wonder if this trike is really good, so good that whatever company you are with feels threatened by its existance.





Well wayne it's a pleasure but I still don't release info on the web, sorry........that's just the way I do things. Nice that you ride dirt, especially in beautiful Kamloops. I used to ride YZ125 a little over 4 years ago before my accelerator got stuck returning back to my home- manufacturing defect on the YZ of that year- and hit a car in a wheelie position. I was flat out and in power band it was the front wheel or my frame, I chose the latter and lifted my bike. I never saw my groin area so blue in my life....
Anyhow Wayne, you can't say I don't bring up key issues with the little trike. If you are in the distribution business, you should take a rather cautious approach towards these trikes, my bet is you already are. A $1200 price point is something that not too many people are willing to fork out for a trike toy. I would have been less skeptical if it had been in the $300- $400 range which puts it $200(retail price) above a pair of fully equiped snowblades:werd: with boots and bindings.

Anyhow, listen if you really want to yap on key-trike- things I am definitely a go. I guess you're watching the industry closely to find what will be the next big thing, this most likely is not it. There are just to many issues. IMO
Are you an early adopter of new ideas? I am, which you will see with my numerous posts.

[skifreak]

I don't put up with BS simple, I am.... say a rebel with a cause. When someone comes out and says that a trike will stop quicker than ski's or SB's it immediatly gets my attention as something utterly false, unless of course there is a novel way of stopping? Perhaps on your head? Nothing bad in keeping things real.....
Now once again let's keep the personal questions and attacks aside, and answer these. You guys, I guess a group haven't answered the questions:clap: :clap: .

We haven't answered the questions because we're waiting to try it out