~~~~Sacred Shed Thread II~~~~ [Archive] - Page 21 - North Shore Mountain Biking Forums

ride24/7

02-11-2004, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by lancepaydirt
wow al sounds like you are doing alot of work lately. thanks, its much appreciated.

who would be in charge of organizing a trail day in the shed?? i wouldnt mind going in and giving back in an organized, cant really fuck up the trail kind of way.

Glad to know it's apreciated... I actually enjoy doing trail work and it also gives me a chance to bring my dog out now that she's too old to go riding... everything is in pretty awsome shape right now considering it's winter and all. As of sunday all the stunts were fine and very little mud.
It would be nice to get a bunch of people out to fix the end of the goat gaps where the little creek is. That area is a big mud hole, and as always the trail between goats and stairway. I'll talk to Brett and see if we can get something organized for the end of the month.:D

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-11-2004, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Rhubes
I mean it was a joke :D

A steel fully would be quite ridiculous..They weigh enough as it is..

:werd:

and i was kiddin around to... but there is a steel fully somewhere.. oh yea cortina has one and same w/ bmw. Probably a few more to but meh.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-11-2004, 11:53 AM

Al - at the mud pit where in between the goat gaps and goats would need some work with a transition rocked up. that could be an undertaking on its own.

ride24/7

02-11-2004, 12:59 PM

I was in the shed today and I met up with some parks workers... What looked like 1 supervisor and a couple of labourers... they were walking out of the top of bitch slapper and looking at the drop trail. They were looking for lower bender and the big drops. They said someone had crashed bad on a 15' drop. When I asked if they were going to cut it out they said yes... and I asked " just that or everything " and they said " probably everything. "

So it looks like we're in for another chainsaw massacre:( :mad: :( and all I can say is I'm pretty much fed up and if everything gets chopped I will probably give up and say fuck it to building anything new. I'm sick of putting in tons of hours on trails only to have them gone. Besides spring is comming so it going to be shore rides after work soon anyway.

anyway I'm not going to bother finishing the pier until after we see how bad the massacre is. Hopefully not everything will go and it will just be a few stunts that get chopped.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-11-2004, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by ride24/7
They said someone had crashed bad on a 15' drop. When I asked if they were going to cut it out they said yes... and I asked " just that or everything " and they said " probably everything. "

Where is there a 15 footer in the shed??

time for the shed heads to turn into tree huggin hippie's.. or ladder huggin peeps at least

ride24/7

02-11-2004, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
Where is there a 15 footer in the shed??

they were talking about the plank drop off the bank on lower bender I think... the frankendrop... either that or the new booter off the bank at the bottom of lower bender... I'm not sure which. Down there somewhere anyway.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-11-2004, 01:18 PM

Alright. I can see some serious ownage happening there.

I'm going to do some laps in a delta park.. tear the ligaments in my ankle again, then sue and get them to tear that park/field out since thats what the appropriate course of action to prevent further injuries... its fuckin retarded..

I wouldnt be surprised if no one was hurt and this is a false incident.

ride24/7

02-11-2004, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
Alright. I can see some serious ownage happening there.

I'm going to do some laps in a delta park.. tear the ligaments in my ankle again, then sue and get them to tear that park/field out since thats what the appropriate course of action to prevent further injuries... its fuckin retarded..

I wouldnt be surprised if no one was hurt and this is a false incident.

I don't know I haven't heard anything about anyone getting hurt so maybe it is just an excuse to rip shit down.
I'm not suprised that the chainsaws are comming out again though, there has been a ton of people riding in there this winter and really it was only a matter of time before someone ate it big time and brought the whole thing to the attention of the parks people again. I mean they can never condone or legitimize stunts because of the liability issue so really I'm suprised things have lasted as long as they have. Any time there is a 911 call to the park it spells big trouble and this is definately not the first.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-11-2004, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by ride24/7
I don't know I haven't heard anything about anyone getting hurt so maybe it is just an excuse to rip shit down.

Thats what I meant by a false incident - excuse to rip it out. But you always make a good point. We've been lucky enough to have it all for that long. Its just really disappointing to even hear about it happening again. And I really dont blame you for not rebuilding anything :beer:

bruiser d

02-11-2004, 02:43 PM

this is really shitty news boys.like you said al, it was only a matter of time before someone hurt themselves or the wankers on the parks board found an excuse to tear our pride and joy down. hopefully they will only tear some of the big shit down and leave it at that.dave i like the idea of riding around a grass field and rippin' up yer ligaments and then suing the parks so they tear out the field. hopefully it will all work out.:mad:

Adam

02-11-2004, 06:47 PM

dat sucks that shit is going to get ripped down, i havent seen the new stuff cause the last time i was there was in nov.

if i broke my arm or leg at the shed i would get my friends to drag me out, not call the ambulance, cause that is going to get shit torn down

Tool

02-11-2004, 10:57 PM

This sucks:mad:

Hey anybody gotten a hold of Brett yet, i'm wondering if he has been in contact with anybody

Well hopefully everything works out

Rhubes

02-11-2004, 11:42 PM

This blows huge.....

What the hell ever happened to officializing the shed as a bike park?? - And labeling and putting signs on all the trails???
These guys at the parks board OBVIOUSLY don't give a SHIT about us AT ALL!!!

I mean their's no EXCUSE at all... They can't blame it on anything except them not giving a SHIT about us...

It's such horse shit cause we could do ALL the hard work...

Fuckin' good way to ruin my birthday... Well at least i'm 19 now :D = :beer::beer::beer: :D

ReCkLeSs RiDeR

02-12-2004, 10:48 AM

happy b-day:)

and yea this sucks.

we should make the shed old and steep

Mike_Shore_rath

02-12-2004, 10:49 AM

What can we do to stop them? or is it already final? Cuz i'd hate to see everything piled up in a bunch of log piles. Cuz then i'd totally have nothing to do except school work. :(

ride24/7

02-12-2004, 12:15 PM

Well I guess it's too late to stop the carnage already... I thought it would take at least a week before they sent in the wrecking crew. I was in the shed this morning at around 9:00 and there was about 8-9 guys and 4 trucks at the bottom of the drop trail.

The last hit on 6 seconds was already gone and so was the framework for the new pier I was building. I'm not sure but I think they may have been about to dig up the step up on 6 seconds as well. They were even packing out the 2x4's that were for the pier... all the stuff from the old run in. At that point it looked like maybe they would be leaving all the water bars and trail shoring I put in alone ( I hope ) and the little ladder across the water way up by the pier was still there as well so MAYBE it will just be any bigger drops that will go.
I didn't bother to talk to the workers... I didn't want to deal with it so I don't know what else will be going. I would assume all of the lower bender area for sure as that's what they were looking for the other day.
Hopefully that will be all that goes but I'm not counting on it. I might try to get back in there in a couple hours and see what's what and I'll keep you posted.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-12-2004, 02:05 PM

I guess thats a difference between City and Corporations - they do it right away.

This fuckin sucks... doesnt it seem like every time things are coming together or something gets buffed up, it gets taken away from us?

If I saw them working on the drop trail I would've ripped down it and run into a worker just cuz I'm mad. Probably wouldnt go over to well but right now I dont give 2 shits.

Not that it matters but I suggest we dont post to much about certain details in the shed. Things are easy enough to find as it is. Just my thoughts.

bruiser d

02-12-2004, 02:09 PM

this is total bullshit:mad: it's ok for kids to rip it up in a concrete skatepark with no lids but it's not ok to jump a mtn bike on the dirt:rolleyes: delta really sucks.i have played soccer for years in delta and they still don't have a proper facility like every other district.delta is so far behind in whats going on in the real world.surrey at least put in a bike park by softball city to rip around in.why can't delta do the same for us?the shed is a perfect place to create one of these "parks" to ride in.i don't know if the surrey park is insured or not.anyone know?this is a sad day for the shed heads.i'm really pissed off.hopefully they will not take everything down.i'm going to get a petition going again to send to delta.back to the drawing board.simon, brett does not know as he is in australia until next week.he's going to be pissed.paul, your right ..........those fuckups in delta parks did lie to us.:censored: :flame: :fu: :hurt: :dead:

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-12-2004, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by bruiser d
simon, brett does not know as he is in australia until next week.he's going to be pissed.paul, your right ..........those fuckups in delta parks did lie to us.:censored: :flame: :fu: :hurt: :dead:

now thats something that strikes me as an odd coincidence :rolleyes:

me thinks this was a planned high level covert op conducted by a bunch evil no good doer's only to be carried out by somewhat innocent minions in their evil scheme for the gravalization of the shed.

delta's just a bunch of :fruit: if you need me, i'll be talking to the lybians regarding some plans:rawr::swearing:

Ralph Wiggum

02-12-2004, 05:37 PM

fuck this is great :mad:
if you get that petition started tell me and ill get a bunch of people to sign it OK?

ReCkLeSs RiDeR

02-12-2004, 08:44 PM

this BLOWS CHUNKS! why??? what did we do wrong.

are the jump-things by the scout camp still assembled? because if they aren't I know one of the builders and he will be uber pissed me thinks:)

Rhubes

02-12-2004, 09:01 PM

I have no idea what needs to be done for us to be taken seriously....

I honestly belive we are more mature, respectful, safe, and good natured then the VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE that go to SKATEPARKS.....

We are RECYCLERS OF THE WOOD in the water shed....We do not KILL, we RECYCLE...

Without US (especially people like Al) the SHED would be ALOT worse OFF, over-run with deadfall, and RIVERS for TRAILS...

What we need is some sort of HOOK UP with an aquaintence of the PARKS BOARD....

OR ELSE.. Just continuous PRESSURE FOR CHANGE....

I'm gonna start carrying around a list of signatures for a Petition to save the stunts in the watershed in my backpack...

Perhaps WE COULD ALL get the same petition sheet of paper (make lots of copies) and if you EVER see anyone in the watershed (biker or otherwise) you could POLITELY ask them to sign it......

That's all I can think of right now.... dammit...

Tool

02-13-2004, 12:27 AM

If everything gets torn down, there has to be a backlash of some sort to show you can't get fid of us and that like it or not we are a large group of people that have to be taken seriously. We have been through the bullshit of kissing their asses with council meetings, trail day attempts on multi-use trails, blah blah blah.

Delta doesn't realize it is making a mistake, unless Chuck starts building again the city should back off. And for them to use one person getting hurt as an excuse is lame and bullshit. You all know the arguement about keeping kids occupied so they don't turn into druggie vandels:rolleyes:

ReCkLeSs RiDeR

02-13-2004, 09:24 AM

yea damn kids

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-13-2004, 10:08 AM

Simon definately has the right idea.

We should also get in touch with the organizers of SOURCE to see if they can help us ratify anythin with Delta and possibly get the word to their members about trail days and usage meetings with Delta City Council (which will be reffered to as "Delta" now).

The Shed Bike Club is doing good things.

I think we need to take it upon ourselves to get some signage up regarding difficulty and possible hazards on the trails. I believe Delta wont view the Whistler and Shore run type levels as something acceptable in their Parks. For example, a black diamond sign on a trail name sign doesnt describe inherent dangers on the trail and not everyone knows what that means. It may be common sense but as we know, common sense in becoming more uncommon these days and things need to be stated bluntly. It seems like more hoops to jump through but after some thoughts, it seems like Delta wants us jumping to them. We may have to ask just 'how high' even. They arent leaving much choice otherwise.

ReCkLeSs RiDeR

02-13-2004, 10:12 AM

I thought the shed would just be starting to get good again I was looking forward to going for a ride in there when the new pier was done. but not no I guess:(

the flying moose

02-13-2004, 10:40 AM

i guess Delta doesnt like to bring in extra money. think about how many people come to the shed, then grab a bite to eat, then get gas or whatever. then, if needed, go to a bike shop to get a new tube or something. its all extra money that people wouldnt have spent if they didnt come to the shed. if this is how they are going to screw users of the park then im gonna think twice about doing any business in Delta. and when the trails go to shit because there isnt anyone fixing them up anymore then i will laugh. how many hikers want to walk through mud pits?

couldnt there be a way we could say buy a pass for like $20 a year and find some way to cover insurance? i dont want to lose riding in the shed so wahtever anyone has planned, sign me up. ill sign petitions or whatever needs to be done.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-13-2004, 10:45 AM

I was thinking the same thing Lance. Perhaps they dont really know about the cyclical process - or as you said they just dont care.

I'm thinking I'll talk to Sharon @ Esquires and Jon @ Boston Pizza and see if they figure riders in the shed bring in business. I usually see a few riders @ both. If we get <a few> local businesses behind us, that should help as well.

We need to get people outside of mountain biking who support us involved as well. Otherwise it seems we're just representing our own interests.

An idea regarding the petition, should there be 2 - one for riders and general supporters and one for local businesses.

We should also present them with info that trail building is beneficial to the environment. Perhaps that's been done already but forgotten. I know there was a study peformed in Ontario regarding impact from different usage groups and they all equaled the same result - mtn biking doesnt have that harsh of an impact on the environment. We need this sort of info.

At the next meeting whenever that is, we should be armed to the teeth with supporters and signatures on petitions.

ReCkLeSs RiDeR

02-13-2004, 10:48 AM

thats sounds like a good idea:)

the flying moose

02-13-2004, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
I was thinking the same thing Lance. Perhaps they dont really know about the cyclical process - or as you said they just dont care.

I'm thinking I'll talk to Sharon @ Esquires and Jon @ Boston Pizza and see if they figure riders in the shed bring in business. I usually see a few riders @ both. If we get <a few> local businesses behind us, that should help as well.

We need to get people outside of mountain biking who support us involved as well. Otherwise it seems we're just representing our own interests.

An idea regarding the petition, should there be 2 - one for riders and general supporters and one for local businesses.

We should also present them with info that trail building is beneficial to the environment. Perhaps that's been done already but forgotten. I know there was a study peformed in Ontario regarding impact from different usage groups and they all equaled the same result - mtn biking doesnt have that harsh of an impact on the environment. We need this sort of info.

At the next meeting whenever that is, we should be armed to the teeth with supporters and signatures on petitions.

all good ideas. and is there a local, established association like the nsmba involved in the shed? if we can get someone who is established and respected then it will be easier to get our foot in the door.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-13-2004, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by lancepaydirt
all good ideas. and is there a local, established association like the nsmba involved in the shed? if we can get someone who is established and respected then it will be easier to get our foot in the door.

There is the Shed Bike Club (shedbikeclub@hotmail.com).

This is why I mentioned SORCE (Surrey Offroad Cycling Entusiasts) - they have established themselves with the South Surrey Bike Park and are recognized. Ideally, even though the shed is in Delta, if we could SORCE to help represent us or even "consume" resonsibility for the shed, I think it would speak volumes. Hopefully.

Not sure how this would affect the Shed Bike Club however. I know there is membership fee's to SORCE whereas with the Shed Bike Club there is not to my knowledge.

At least I'm almost positive SORCE would have a vested interest in helping out with trail usage in the Shed.

bruiser d

02-13-2004, 01:45 PM

i just got off the phone with al boys.just finnishing my lunch then i will give you all an update on the massacre:mad:

bruiser d

02-13-2004, 02:31 PM

alright here is a massacre report as off 1230pm.bitchslapper up and over is gone and on the second log the bastards cut a section of log out. swivel teeters are fine as well as the log out but they cut out the two cross logs out to make it easier. thanks assholes.six seconds is still intact except fotr the drop at the bottom.the beginning of bender is gone, the log ride is still there but the a frame with the two drops is gone. level5,they tore out the new ladder step up,skinny log in, but left the log ride out alone.the treasured goat trail is no more.they chopped up the log ride and tore out the 6 footer at the end of the log.this prolly can't be fixed.the big goat stump drop is torn down but the stump is still there.could be rebuilt.the left turn ladder into the gap is still there.the beginning of the new simon's is still there but after the new swivel teeter the bastards chopped everything else down.this could not be fixed as they tore all the logs outta there but new ideas could be worked.lower bender still intact:???: but the frankendrop is gone.go figure.g bowl is still good as ofwhen i spoke to al, stairway, lower simons, and bm were still there.it seems there agenda was to take out anything made of wood over 1 metre and leave anything made of dirt alone.cub scout jumps were still there as well as the goat gaps.if this theory about the height is true then say bye bye to stairway and lower simons.some of our trails can and will be rebuilt asap with some sort of kamikazzi trail day.delta parks has made there point that they don't want to co operate with the shedbike club.i think this has been there agenda right from the start.i will hopefully head in there tomarrow to check it out myself and hopefully run into these assholes to find out who is in charge and gave the work order to do this well planned middle of the week ,nice weather,bretts in australia massacre.if anyone heads in there this weekend post up any new reports please.im going to the bike show to get my mind off of this bullshit. later boys, dave

grashopa

02-13-2004, 02:38 PM

:swearing: :swearing: :swearing: :swearing: :swearing: :swearing: too pissed to write anything else :swearing:

Biking Fiend

02-13-2004, 02:42 PM

lets just bushwack and make some sick shit, keep buildin

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-13-2004, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by bruiser d
.some of our trails can and will be rebuilt asap with some sort of kamikazzi trail day.

Kamikaze trail day, maybe

Kamikaze Dave's going to the City Council, i say hell yes.

This is apparently caused from some kid breaking his wrist on Goats and bitch mommy and jackass daddy suing Delta.

ReCkLeSs RiDeR

02-13-2004, 03:04 PM

bastards. *shakes fist*

grashopa

02-13-2004, 04:34 PM

Lets have a shed ride at city hall. Set up some portable booters and bridges on their or should I say our taxpayers lawn.

the flying moose

02-13-2004, 05:23 PM

i say dont do anything that looks like revenge. we have to make people sympathetic to us. we had a verbal agreement with them did we not? we just have to get some support and get the parks board to open their eyes. someone said in the other thread that even dog walkers were upset by this then its not just bikers that are affected.

just look at it this way:

our will to ride the shed is greater than their will to prevent us from doing that. we will do wahtever we have to so we can keep riding.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-13-2004, 05:39 PM

Lance see's the light. Unfortunately I only see a ray of it ;)

I think we should stick the plans on the previous pages - get the support we need to petition them to actually let us ride and build.

Life goes on.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-13-2004, 07:17 PM

I stopped by the shed on the way home so here's a little updatage for peoples. I didnt check out over by bender at all or anything west of the creek jumps.

Goats is hooped basically. The first log could be rideable with some ingenuity and wood. The second log seems to be missing in action. RIP. Same with the stump drop.

Stairway is luckily still here for now. I found it interesting they left Stairway intact but after the drop, the kicker is missing but the transition to the berm is fine. Same with lower simons - the initial log ride with the teeter is fine but the connected log to the lil kicker is gone. Bowel Movement is still there.

I got the impression someone (the workers?) respected the work enough to leave us something. Or are they just waiting for Monday.

When it all settles though, there's a fine looking fallen tree right beside the goat jumps. Its a prime log ride :rocker:

Rhubes

02-13-2004, 08:17 PM

I'm so mad right now...

We cannot do anything immature... But anything we can do, must be done with FORCE....

I feel like going in there one day when they're tearing shit down, and start building right in front of them...

Can we get EVERYONE we know together and just march to city/hall or parks board office???

Sending in petitions and stuff isn't going to open their eyes, we need a strong, adult based influence CONFRONTING THEM EYE TO EYE.....

I vote we get a SERIOUS meeting of some sort together...
Because WHATEVER we do, we MUST do it FAST, and it MUST BE DONE WELL....

I bet I could get my parents to come :D

Tool

02-14-2004, 02:17 AM

In terms of liability according to what Lee Lau was talking about, was that in terms of liability, the district is not liable for stuff as long as it is not physically dangerous and i mean spikes sticking up in the air with the ladders ready to break on impact and even then the district has to be proven that they knew about these hazards and didn't act on it. Most of the districts are just scared for no reason but who knows

So in terms of liability, it has nothing to do with paying fees or insurance costs, it has to do with being uniformed

Rhubes

02-14-2004, 02:31 AM

So can anyone agree to say that we need a meeting of some sort??

We cannot sit twiddlin' our thumbs and not act...

the flying moose

02-14-2004, 03:18 AM

yes we should try and arrange something. someone who is local to Delta and is familiar with all aspects of the situation should try and arrange something. it dones do any good to have a meeting if it isnt going to be productive.

Tool

02-14-2004, 12:04 PM

the best way to deal with this whole issue IMO is for brett to get back from australia, get in contact with the city of Delta, then see where that goes.

Also, wait a couple of weeks after they have finished dismantling stuff then rebuild. I think this issue is going to turn into a bit of a war and i'm guessing they will eventually try and ban bikes if a battle of building/destroying ensues for a while, but i don't think that will ever happen cause there would be a huge public outcry about freedom of rights to have the parks accessable to all.

This sucks but it was bound to happen really with all the lack of support the city was claiming to give us:rolleyes:

Rhubes

02-14-2004, 01:40 PM

Can someone, or me?? Design a petition type thing stating our cause and reason why we are just in building/riding the watershed....

and then get people to sign it??

I'd gladly hang out around the watershed and gather signatures...

But that in itself does not carry enough teeth, as we had one before but it didn't do JACK...

Wouldn't it help if Bret had more support?? Like if instead of him and 2 other guys showing up to one of the Delta Parks Board meetings, he had like a DOZEN????

Just giving suggestions... Ideas.... something has to be done..

GottaBruiser

02-14-2004, 07:03 PM

Why dont you guys take the stunts that you think will be ruined and take them away, and when the workers leave put them back!

ITS INGENIOUS!

ive never been there so i dunno if its possible but its a thought!

ReCkLeSs RiDeR

02-14-2004, 07:21 PM

because they would find them anyway

Mike_Shore_rath

02-14-2004, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
I stopped by the shed on the way home so here's a little updatage for peoples. I didnt check out over by bender at all or anything west of the creek jumps.

Goats is hooped basically. The first log could be rideable with some ingenuity and wood. The second log seems to be missing in action. RIP. Same with the stump drop.

Stairway is luckily still here for now. I found it interesting they left Stairway intact but after the drop, the kicker is missing but the transition to the berm is fine. Same with lower simons - the initial log ride with the teeter is fine but the connected log to the lil kicker is gone. Bowel Movement is still there.

I got the impression someone (the workers?) respected the work enough to leave us something. Or are they just waiting for Monday.

When it all settles though, there's a fine looking fallen tree right beside the goat jumps. Its a prime log ride :rocker:

Omg it's all over. :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

dug

02-14-2004, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by GottaBruiser
Why dont you guys take the stunts that you think will be ruined and take them away, and when the workers leave put them back!

ITS INGENIOUS!

ive never been there so i dunno if its possible but its a thought!

The stuff is too big to move.

Mike_Shore_rath

02-15-2004, 02:29 PM

That gap jump kicker took a longtime to build. I hope that it's true that the workers have respect for what i've built. Damet i hate that this had to happen. What acctually happened to the kid that crashed bad? Broken leg then call ambulance? I broke both arms up on Air Supply and I rode out even so i was bleeding like crazy and broken. fuck this sucks big time.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-15-2004, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by Mike_Shore_rath
That gap jump kicker took a longtime to build. I hope that it's true that the workers have respect for what i've built. Damet i hate that this had to happen. What acctually happened to the kid that crashed bad? Broken leg then call ambulance? I broke both arms up on Air Supply and I rode out even so i was bleeding like crazy and broken. fuck this sucks big time.

Kid fractured his collarbone on the Frankendrop is the latest news. Parents sued. Brings us to where we are now.

Yes, it does suck ass... large ass.

rampage 01

02-15-2004, 10:11 PM

umm.... this "kid" goes to my school and i know him personally.... are you absolutely postitive that his parents sued the city? or is this just a rumour?

Tool

02-16-2004, 08:10 AM

ask him today at school

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-16-2004, 08:59 AM

And ask him why they sued. Like realistically why. Inquiring minds want to know.

Late Bloomer

02-16-2004, 09:46 AM

It just blows my mind how the act of 2-3 people can make the lives of hundreds or more completely miserable.
Best of luck in the resolution of this 'issue'.
Hoping to see a GOOD post in this thread very soon.

:friend:

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-16-2004, 10:07 AM

Thanks LB :)

Good post is : we're not giving up. At all. Hopefully, the general consensus so far is to get a trail together and rebuild something that fell.

I'd just like to see what Delta has to say regarding the matter. And what they want <if anything> from us. As I dont think we should just say fuck Delta and do it without them.

Late Bloomer

02-16-2004, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
I'd just like to see what Delta has to say regarding the matter. And what they want <if anything> from us. As I dont think we should just say fuck Delta and do it without them. Yeah, it would be best (& likely hardest) to go about it w/ their consent, etc. I'd bet if there was a 'professional' approach to the matter (i.e. - civil discussions/meetings), it would lend a TON of credibility to the cause. At least in comparison to having a huckfest @ City Hall...which WOULD be alot of fun, but not very productive towards the long-term goals you desire.
I'll send up some positive vibes your way, for sure!!

:woot:

ride24/7

02-16-2004, 11:28 AM

Well the chainsaws are out again today:( I was talking with the guys doing the work and they are totally bummed at having to be cutting shit down. They told me " We aren't going to cut down one thing we are not specifically told to cut " and " We are trying to leave you guys something to work with wherever we can get away with it " Of course they have to do what their boss tells them :rolleyes: so that means a lot of stuff is going down. I think that stairway will be gone today... at least the high part... these guys told me they were told to leave anything with a teeter on it:???: :???: :???: :???: I don't understand that one but hey thats why the beginning of simons and lower simons and slapper survived so I won't complain. Their suggestion was to " bombard council and the parks board with letters and phone calls etc" as that is the only way to get their attention they also suggested that we get in touch with the papers and generally make a huge public spectacle of the whole thing. Basically if the fat cats in council think it's going to cost votes they will take notice.

I'm going to talk to Brett as soon as I can ( He just got off a 24 hour flight from Australia so I don't imagine he's to coherent right now ;) ) He is the obvious choise to talk to the papers as he's the one that has all info on the lies the parks people told us about working together etc. If he can't do it I guess I'll step up to the plate and do the talking.

In the mean time Everybody start writing, emailing or calling delta council. Particularly if you are Delta residents. All you younger guys get your parents, friends parents, P.E teachers anyone and everyone to write or call as well. Tell them POLITELY but firmly that you are outraged at the destruction of the man made obstacles ( if you call then stunts they probably won't know what you're talking about ) That you are ___ years old live in delta ( if you do ) that you love the sport and ride all the time etc. All you young guys make a point of letting them know that it is hard or impossible for you to get anywhere else to ride. That it is a legitimate sport that takes fitness and dedication and skill. That it keeps young people fit and healthy and out of trouble.

On the good news side I was looking at simons and goats and I already have some ideas to make things fun again. It won't be the same of course but it can be rebuilt into something fun and challenging. It will take some work and a lot of heavy lifting but there are enough long pieces of log left that the log rides can be re built.

and on a final note:fu: :fu: :fu: :fu: :fu: :fu: :fu: :fu: :fu: :fu: :fu: :fu: Delt

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-16-2004, 11:28 AM

Once we get it rebuilt, you should come for a rip in there on the way up or back from Whistler - assuming your going sometime this year.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-16-2004, 11:36 AM

I figured they were waiting for monday :(

in the meantime for anyone who reads this and wants to call up Delta, here's the link to their contact page. I'll be double posting this in the other thread as well.

to call and politely harass Delta City Council :) (http://www.corp.delta.bc.ca/sitebuilder.asp?topic=Contact+Us&rootname=Home) - contact page

Delta Parks Direct:
604-946-3293 - Tel
park-rec@corp.delta.bc.ca - Email

we need everyone.

the flying moose

02-16-2004, 11:46 AM

ok guys something is fishy here.

i called the parks dept for delta and asked them about the massacre. they said it was true that they were cutting stunts down and leaving others. i asked why that was and they said that they had some complaints (she wouldnt tell me from who). i then asked if it was because someone fell and broke something and then the city is getting sued. she said that she has heard nothing about that at all.

anyone have concrete info on some kid getting hurt? id hate to think that they would lie about that just to cut shit down.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-16-2004, 11:57 AM

Did she mention what sort of complaints?

And there's a general consensus among the shed heads I've talked to that they (delta) was waiting for a reason to cut shit up.

the flying moose

02-16-2004, 12:01 PM

nope. she wouldnt (or couldnt) tell me anything why shit was getting cut down.

and im sure if someone broke something riding the shed there are enough local shedheads that still go to school that would have heard something in school about that. im thinking its just made up by delta to get us out of there.

grashopa

02-16-2004, 01:15 PM

Just got off the phone with Jim Levine who is Manager of Parks. He said the stunts came to their attention after some "kid" crashed bad. He is not aware of any law suit. He said they are only tearing down structures that are vandalised or unsound ( a blatant lie ). He did say the order came from higher up and I'm assuming it was the "Parks and Rec Culture Commission" because that's who he said we should contact to try and hash out a written agreement with Delta regarding building. Which brings me to our "agreement" with Delta, which is we're fucked if nothings in writing. So, I think everybody should give Jim a call 604 952-3425 and have him explain Delta's decision and what we should do about it. I know I've just told you everything but he needs to know how many people this has affected. He was very polite and willing to answer all my questions. So again JIM LEVINE MANAGER OF PARKS 604 952-3425.

grashopa

02-16-2004, 01:25 PM

One more thing. We need to write a letter to the "Parks Rec and Culture Commission" voicing our anger, disagreement and asking for the opportunity to work with them and create a resolution. I think it would be a good idea to send a petition along with the letter so they have a better understanding of how many people this has affected.

grashopa

02-16-2004, 01:27 PM

Ohh, and I wasn't really serious about settin up a booter at city hall.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-16-2004, 01:31 PM

A blatant lie is right. All the trails *were* solid.

It seems the only unsoundness is the kid who bailed and Delta.

I'll be calling Jim soon and I'll be setting up a petition on the online petition site thing.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-16-2004, 01:37 PM

Any suggestions on the which site I should use?

www.thepetitionsite.com

www.petitiononline.com

thepetitionsite.com seems to be a little more easily navigatable and natural.

grashopa

02-16-2004, 01:54 PM

I'm thinking www.thepetitionsite.com

bruiser d

02-16-2004, 02:24 PM

Brett is already informed as to what happenned.We will be putting together a plan and all will be informed asap.keep emailing and calling delta to ask them why.tell everyone you know.lets drive delta council nuts with non stop complaints and questions.make as much noise as we can shedheads.enough is enough:fu: :fu: :censored: :censored: :flame: the stuffy stuck up pompous board can suck shit through a straw:fu: :fu: :fruit: :r:

grashopa

02-16-2004, 02:27 PM

On another note, what's up with your warranty Dave?

ride24/7

02-16-2004, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by bruiser d
[B.enough is enough:fu: :fu: :censored: :censored: :flame: the stuffy stuck up pompous board can suck shit through a straw:fu: :fu: :fruit: :r: [/B]

:werd:

ride24/7

02-16-2004, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by grashopa
On another note, what's up with your warranty Dave?

Word is 04 a-line frame the lucky bastard :P It's supposed to be on it's way soon:D

bruiser d

02-16-2004, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by grashopa
On another note, what's up with your warranty Dave?

i will be picking up my brand new shiny 04 aline this week from the studs at the bike zone.thanks to them and to the boys at norco.high fives all around.i say maybe a shore ride this weekend.lets start organizing now.:thepimp: i am a lucky bastard:thepimp: :thepimp: :D :cool:

grashopa

02-16-2004, 02:33 PM

I guess Dave has figured out a way to get a new frame every year. Bastard :D

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-16-2004, 02:36 PM

Hey Dave - what would you say to Squamish on sunday? I'm trying to set up a ride up there soon. If not, I'm up for the shore.

And nice work with the new frameee

bruiser d

02-16-2004, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by grashopa
I guess Dave has figured out a way to get a new frame every year. Bastard :D it's not like i planned it this way boys:D what if we could do that with our wives????j/k:P

bruiser d

02-16-2004, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
Hey Dave - what would you say to Squamish on sunday? I'm trying to set up a ride up there soon. If not, I'm up for the shore. squampton might be a little much but the shore might just work.we will discuss as the week rolls on.:thepimp:

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-16-2004, 04:55 PM

True enough.. not to mention I have no idea where the trails are up there. So the shore will work :rocker:

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-16-2004, 06:47 PM

Anybody surveyed the damaged the Parks and Wreck crew did today?

Dolph

02-16-2004, 07:05 PM

I really think that NSMB should either sticky this or post a warning all other riders of other communities.

I know that I've talked to others about putting up warning signs in the past, similarly like NSMBA has done on grouse as I and others have known that the potential for this was always there.

This frusturates me to no end guys.. I've given up weekends to come out and do trail maintenance and tree planting in support of delta allowing for safe structures being permitted in the park.

What has ruined this for all of us was a failure on our parts (riders and delta) to not take the necessary precautions in allowing this to happen ( ride at your own risk signs). I'm just as guilty as everyone else in not getting my ass in gear and pushing for warning signs to be posted on major stunt oriented trails.

If we are to ever be allowed to build structures in the shed, every trail with a stunt greater then waist high should have a warning sign. This way a parent has NO RIGHT to sue for any neglegence on the part of their children. Lets be proactive and mature and do what we can to restore the shed to a decent level.

peace

Dolph

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-16-2004, 07:19 PM

In the other thread Dolph about the shed being torn down, its mentioned that a good lawyer can get around liability signs - technically its common sense that you could hurt gapping a creek or dropping off an 8 foot stump. That kid from Richmond who sued Whister or Blackcomb and the Richmond School District is a prime example.

You are right about being proactive and mature - I'm all for it. What would be ideal s a legally binding contractual agreement with Delta spelling everything out. Thats far fetched but it'd be nice to have and also something to remind them that they just cant rip shit up like they just did. It also beats the verbal agreement we had.

Also, Delta is denying the fact there's a pending law suit. They have received "complaints" concerning "unsound stunts". Or so the current rumour is.

Rhubes

02-17-2004, 02:25 AM

Yea, according to erik (rampage 01) who apparently knows the kid in question... who broke his collar bone.... what ACTUALLY happened was soon after the injury he ran into a Parks Board Employee guy IN the shed and told him what happened....

That's apparently ALL he did, and in no way did his parents contact/threaten the Parks Board...

Seems a little far-fetched to tear everything down without even so much as a threat from the kid/kid's family....

Who knows, maybe they give even less of a shit about us and were just looking for an excuse to tear everything down...

I totally agree with that s.o.b. blatantly lying to us about grafittied stunts.... (WHICH DON'T EVEN EXIST SINCE CHUCK WAS BANISHED FROM THE SHED)....

jeez louise...

Tool

02-17-2004, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by Rhubes

I totally agree with that s.o.b. blatantly lying to us about grafittied stunts.... (WHICH DON'T EVEN EXIST SINCE CHUCK WAS BANISHED FROM THE SHED)....

jeez louise...

:lol:

ride24/7

02-17-2004, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by Rhubes
Yea, according to erik (rampage 01) who apparently knows the kid in question... who broke his collar bone.... what ACTUALLY happened was soon after the injury he ran into a Parks Board Employee guy IN the shed and told him what happened....

That's apparently ALL he did, and in no way did his parents contact/threaten the Parks Board...

Seems a little far-fetched to tear everything down without even so much as a threat from the kid/kid's family....

Who knows, maybe they give even less of a shit about us and were just looking for an excuse to tear everything down...

I totally agree with that s.o.b. blatantly lying to us about grafittied stunts.... (WHICH DON'T EVEN EXIST SINCE CHUCK WAS BANISHED FROM THE SHED)....

jeez louise...

I think the quote was vandalized and structurally unsound stunts:rolleyes: Wich is still a complete lie as I was in there riding wednesday morning while they were in there looking at stuff and everything was in perfect shape.

grashopa

02-17-2004, 11:21 AM

Its complete crap, like they can say Goats was structurally unsound, or Slapper, or the new step up on level 5 or the drop on 6 seconds and even Stairway. The guy I spoke to yesterday (Jim) even said he hasn't seen the stunts in the shed. So who's dropped an email or given Delta a call so far?

ride24/7

02-17-2004, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by grashopa

So who's dropped an email or given Delta a call so far?

I have...polite but firm... I was only thinking the swear works ;)

things like ... voting and tax paying resident of Delta... exteme displeasure... promtes heath and fitness... helps prevent youth crime and obesity... blah,blah blah:rolleyes:

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-17-2004, 12:16 PM

Grashoppa

check the other thread about the dismantling of the shed. A few people have including an out of towner :)

I'll be working on mine when I get home from work tonight.

ride24/7

02-17-2004, 02:01 PM

The Revolution is Now!!!!!

I was in the shed this morning and met up with brett;

first we really need everyone and there families to tottally bombard the Delta Council and park and rec with emails and phone calls... hell call up the Mayor directly and ask WASSUP!!!!! So get on it... the sooner we get them to notice us the better.

second we are going to try to put together a public meeting as soon as pssible to get the masses out... give you all a chance to yell at the Council direct if we can convince some of them to show up. We will be letting everyone know when and where as details get figured out.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-17-2004, 02:12 PM

Is anything left in there Al?

cam@nsmb.com

02-17-2004, 02:23 PM

Start a new thread if you want it stickied. I'm not going to stick a 128 page thread.

Something has to be done. Let me know how I can help. I already have a call in to Jim Levine.
cm

bruiser d

02-17-2004, 02:29 PM

thank cam.we are going to make as much noise as we can.we are going to have a meeting soon and we need as many people emailing,calling, and writing delta council.the shed is a fun place to ride and i want to keep it that way so my kids can go for a rip with there dad:D good meeeting you at the show:thepimp:

dave:thepimp:

FullMonty

02-17-2004, 02:34 PM

I've sent my e-mail to the parks board. Now that I think about it, I shoulda CC'd it to a few different departments. Anyway, voiced my displeasure, asked for clarification on their reasoning, and my intent to spend absolutely no money in any Delta business. If they can take pointless and brash actions, why can't I?

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-17-2004, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by cam@nsmb.com
Start a new thread if you want it stickied. I'm not going to stick a 128 page thread.
cm

New thread created for that purpose :)

Thanks Cam :beer:

ride24/7

02-17-2004, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by cam@nsmb.com
Start a new thread if you want it stickied. I'm not going to stick a 128 page thread.

cm

We don't need a sticky anyway this thread is almost always on page one;) :P ;) Thanks for the support Cam :)

bruiser d

02-17-2004, 02:44 PM

i just called jim levine and told him to sort the shit out.i also told him if he didn't that i know where he lives and i would be comming over for a visit.after that i left him my name.........al stepaniuk and my number..........................;) :P jk al but i did call the sob to voice my displeasure.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-17-2004, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by bruiser d
but i did call the sob to voice my displeasure.

well foo, give us some details as to what he had to say in reply :P

Faithless

02-17-2004, 09:18 PM

just spam the email and his phonenumber, then he'll do something.

bluekey

02-18-2004, 08:37 AM

Heres the reply i got:

Jon Campbell

Watershed Park is a public park and like all other public lands requires the permission of the municipality for any type of construction whatsoever. There are a number of structures constructed within Watershed Park that have not had any municipal approval to be there.

Municipal approval requires a legal entity such as society or agency to come forward with specific plans that are reviewed and approved by Council including a full obligation to protect the municipality against all liability and damage claims resulting from that approval. Since neither approval has been sought or secured and there is no protection from the liability associated with apparatus the municipality has no choice but remove the apparatus and continue to remove it as it appears.

Last week a user of this apparatus was injured on an apparent booby trapped device. The rider was injured and notified the municipality in concern of other bikers asking the municipality to remove all apparatus as the only practical means of ensuring a safe park. The municipality took immediate action and will continue to remove any device as it appears.

Thanks for your interest in our park and if you have any other questions or comments please feel free to contact me.

Jim Levin
Parks Development & Operations Manager
Parks, Recreation & Culture Department
Corporation of Delta
5404 64th Street
Delta, B.C. V4K 3M6
Voice: 604-952-3425

ride24/7

02-18-2004, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by bluekey
Heres the reply i got:

Jon Campbell

Watershed Park is a public park and like all other public lands requires the permission of the municipality for any type of construction whatsoever. There are a number of structures constructed within Watershed Park that have not had any municipal approval to be there.

Municipal approval requires a legal entity such as society or agency to come forward with specific plans that are reviewed and approved by Council including a full obligation to protect the municipality against all liability and damage claims resulting from that approval. Since neither approval has been sought or secured and there is no protection from the liability associated with apparatus the municipality has no choice but remove the apparatus and continue to remove it as it appears.

Last week a user of this apparatus was injured on an apparent booby trapped device. The rider was injured and notified the municipality in concern of other bikers asking the municipality to remove all apparatus as the only practical means of ensuring a safe park. The municipality took immediate action and will continue to remove any device as it appears.

Thanks for your interest in our park and if you have any other questions or comments please feel free to contact me.

Jim Levin
Parks Development & Operations Manager
Parks, Recreation & Culture Department
Corporation of Delta
5404 64th Street
Delta, B.C. V4K 3M6
Voice: 604-952-3425

Sounds like bullshit to me:rolleyes:

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-18-2004, 09:07 AM

Yes it does Al.

I also like the use of "booby trapped device" so in effect things were sounds except by the work of our local "trail nazi".

If that is the case, a criminal investigation should've ensued and Delta has just destryoed evidence. As I remember last time a Delta Constable was involved in surveying the scene - or something to that effect.

This also contradicts what we've heard from the rider who knows the injured person.

bruiser d

02-18-2004, 02:41 PM

this is a generic response to our questions.wtf this is total bullshit.there were no booby trapped stunts or trails and we did have some sort of working agreement with them until they axed carol from the dept.what a bunch of f'in pussies:cougar: i know we are supposed to be civil but jim levin you can go :fu: :censored: :flame: :dead: :fruit: yourself

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-18-2004, 02:50 PM

I was afraid of the generic replies to the emails sent in.

We should print off the responses from the replied emails and see what they look like. Maybe even opt not to call since we cant print that out and if we wanted to use this information, it'd be a hard copy (what ever happened to that show).

Dave - have you talked to Darcy and Rob at the bike zone about this at all?

Anyone in Delta know if the local papers have an a segment on this yet?

the flying moose

02-18-2004, 03:31 PM

oh good a generic reply. what are the odds that this guy inst even getting the emails or someone has been told just to send out the generic reply to any email with this subject?

rampage 01

02-18-2004, 03:58 PM

lol booby trapped my ass..... the guy went off the franken drop, got bucked off, and hit a tree. hhaha, this is total bs

the flying moose

02-18-2004, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by rampage 01
lol booby trapped my ass..... the guy went off the franken drop, got bucked off, and hit a tree. hhaha, this is total bs

then if and when you write and email tell them that. you know th guy, you know what happened and their story doesnt match the truth. also do you know if there is a lawsuit against the city?

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-18-2004, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by lancepaydirt
oh good a generic reply. what are the odds that this guy inst even getting the emails or someone has been told just to send out the generic reply to any email with this subject?

My bet is someone is obviously receiving the emails; whoever it is just making up mailing lists and BCC'ing them all with the reply pasted.

Or given the fact that one previously posted generic reply (i'll use generic loosely for now) was addressed to the original sender that he's just pasting the said reply while formally addressing the sender in the reply.

Tool

02-18-2004, 04:49 PM

I don't know who is responsible for the order that went out
to staff, but I can tell you that someone is starting to get
way ahead of themselves in determining what should be a
Council decision. The destruction of these trails, without
reference to Council, is appalling. I don't know what to
say to Brett, simply because three members of this Council
(Engellund, McDonald and Huntington) appear to have no
influence whatsorever in what takes place within the Park
system. If would like to be able to say this will be
rectified, but I can't. At a mimimun, your club should be
recompensed for every dime spent during your "cooperative
partnership" with Delta.

I am so sorry for what has happened, and believe the members
of Council and / or staff who authorized the destruction of
the trail system, should be held accountable for the
decision. There is room in Watershed for all responsible
users.

Sincerely,

Vicki Huntington
Councillor

the flying moose

02-18-2004, 04:52 PM

wow simon. i take it that is what Brett received from city hall??

so basically this turned from a possible lawsuit from an injury to a few trigger happy councillors who dont want us there?

this is bs.

Tool

02-18-2004, 04:58 PM

:werd:

the flying moose

02-18-2004, 05:08 PM

so where does that leave us now? since everything is now torn down will we be allowed to rebuild with an agreement with the city? are we hooped cuz the damage is already done?

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-18-2004, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by lancepaydirt
so where does that leave us now? since everything is now torn down will we be allowed to rebuild with an agreement with the city? are we hooped cuz the damage is already done?

A bit of both at the moment - just reverse the order of the 2 questions and I think we'll see where we're left standing.

bluekey

02-18-2004, 05:43 PM

how does it work on the north shore?
thats government land too....

rampage 01

02-18-2004, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by lancepaydirt
then if and when you write and email tell them that. you know th guy, you know what happened and their story doesnt match the truth. also do you know if there is a lawsuit against the city?

email has been sent, and no, there is no lawsuit... parents never complained. Hell, even when he went to the delta hospital thing (near seven-eleven) he didn't even say that it happened in the shed.. he just said he fell of his bike

the flying moose

02-18-2004, 06:47 PM

Mayors email:
ljackson@corp.delta.bc.ca

council email:
mayor-council@corp.delta.bc.ca

email these people. lets get heard by someone who can do something. its obvious these parks people arent the ones to deal with right now.

here is a picture of those trying to screw us over.
http://www.corp.delta.bc.ca/sitebui...=Municipal+Hall

Incorrigible

02-18-2004, 07:52 PM

i am dumbfounded and speechless after reading the above comments from the alderwoman. a similar kind of thing happened here in Gatineau, when an old school was rented for a dollar a year to some business without council approval.

Jigsaw

02-18-2004, 08:01 PM

:mad: :mad: :( :swearing: Horrible, horrible news. I don't even know what to say.

I can't beleive they didn't consult the Shed Bike Club first. Obviously they don't give a $%#& about us.

I grew up riding the shed as have many of you I bet, and I can't stand to see it go. We need to fight this. Petitions, constant emails and phone calls, handing out fliers are all great ideas.

I'm going to put together an email tonight and send it off, and go phone around aswell.

I'll probably go in tommorow and check out the damage.

Scott:mad: :( :???:

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-18-2004, 08:55 PM

For anyone wondering what sort of shape the shed is in, I busted my ass over there with a digi cam after work and it was disheartening to say the least.

Again I only managed to jog through Goats to Stairway :(

Stairway has fallen :( Badly at that. They left the three teeters and the ladder work to where it split. The high road is chopped up and the ladder way to drop is just gone. Not a damn thing inbetween the split and the transitition. It looks digusting. Scarred. Barren.

As for the pictures, they didnt turn out at all. Even with the flash everything was black. But they wouldnt have been pretty.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-18-2004, 09:37 PM

I have just finished sending a letter (email) to the Editor of the Surrey Leader.

I informed him of the situation and our plight. The Shed Bike Club was CC'd so they have a full copy of it. I also had to include the letter from Vicki Huntington to show there was more at work here than angry bikers.

If anyone knows of a Delta speficic publication I can do the same with, please let me know.

Tool

02-18-2004, 09:40 PM

hey Dave, any chance BM was spared:???:

Jigsaw

02-18-2004, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
I have just finished sending a letter (email) to the Editor of the Surrey Leader.

I informed him of the situation and our plight. The Shed Bike Club was CC'd so they have a full copy of it. I also had to include the letter from Vicki Huntington to show there was more at work here than angry bikers.

If anyone knows of a Delta speficic publication I can do the same with, please let me know.

Delta/Surrey Now would be another local paper to get in touch with. I doubt the Sun or Province would bother, but it may be worth a shot to send in a letter and see if maybe it gets published. I might.

I just get more and more angry and upset everytime I think about it:(

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-18-2004, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by Tool
hey Dave, any chance BM was spared:???:

Oh yeah. I meant to mention that it was :)

Since its been a few days since Stairway went down, I'm guessing they either dont know about it or left it alone thankfully.

ride24/7

02-19-2004, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
Oh yeah. I meant to mention that it was :)

Since its been a few days since Stairway went down, I'm guessing they either dont know about it or left it alone thankfully.

as of the other day the stuff down by twister was all still there as well... I realize it was some of the easier stuff but het it is still there.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-19-2004, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by ride24/7
as of the other day the stuff down by twister was all still there as well... I realize it was some of the easier stuff but het it is still there.

I dont think that met their height requirement to be taken down.

Its pretty fugly isnt it Al?

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-19-2004, 10:12 AM

As I just posted in the stickied Public Outcry, I've contacted the Editors of the Surrey Now And Leader as well as the Delta Optimist.

Late Bloomer

02-19-2004, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
As I just posted in the stickied Public Outcry, I've contacted the Editors of the Surrey Now And Leader as well as the Delta Optimist. Best of luck w/ them...sending postiive vibes up that way for everybody.

:fro:

Rhubes

02-19-2004, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
As I just posted in the stickied Public Outcry, I've contacted the Editors of the Surrey Now And Leader as well as the Delta Optimist.

sigh... I just read that stairway's gone too... What a damn shame..

It's sort of seems strange to me that Vicki Huntington actually wrote that letter??

Full of 9th grade language and mis-spelled words! :???:

Oh, by the way... Thanks a lot Dave (shogun) for all the work you're putting into getting some attention on this stuff... It's much appreciated!!

I have so much school right now it's not even funny :(

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-19-2004, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Rhubes

Oh, by the way... Thanks a lot Dave (shogun) for all the work you're putting into getting some attention on this stuff... It's much appreciated!!

I've been riding the shed for so long, I almost owe it to the shed :D

and the people I ride with, and the people who built the trails.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-19-2004, 04:21 PM

excerpted from the Public Outcry thread

Alright - from what I've heard from solid sources, Jim Levin did NOT give the order. Essentially, no one actually knows who or how this happened within Delta.

I think it'd be best right now to form emails constructively as we've been doing and other than that, we cant do much else right now. The last thing we want to do is ruin the relationship between the Shed Bike Club and Delta or even help the deteriotation there of - and yes there is a relationship there. Council member Huntington's letter showed that. Positive results will depend upon positive feedback from us.

I'm still waiting to hear back from the 3 local newspapers in regards to this matter. As tragic and emotional a subject as this may be, we just cant allow ourselves to start slandering Delta, or its employee's or municipal members. We do need them. They technically dont need us when it comes down to it.

Remember no matter what, the matter is being dealt with. Its the slow wheels of politics <essentially> in progress. We cant expect too much in such a short period of time. Its been a week to the day from Al's (ride 24/7) first report of the first things being torn down which was the rebuilding of the peir on the drop trail. And honestly, I'm amazed at how many people have written in or commented on this so far. Things are promising for the long term. Which is what really matters. The shed was rebuilt previously and it will be again!

Bare with us as frustrating as this is :)

Thanks again,

Dave

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-19-2004, 09:37 PM

http://bb.nsmb.com/newforum/showthread.php?s=&postid=624084#post624084

check it out.. damage

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-19-2004, 10:15 PM

anybody up for a rip on the shore and then a stop at denny's in NV to hit up some grand slams and help out Trinity?

I can take one person and probably 4 bikes total?

Late Bloomer

02-19-2004, 10:16 PM

Sad. Never been there. Looks like a good area for riding for sure.
Hope this fiasco is a memory fairly soon and I'm positive the next edition of The Shed will not dissapoint!
:thepimp:

ride24/7

02-20-2004, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
anybody up for a rip on the shore and then a stop at denny's in NV to hit up some grand slams and help out Trinity?

I can take one person and probably 4 bikes total?

Can't do saturday but...
Me and Bruiser were going to hit up fromme on sunday but i don't know if he'll have a bike. I will be going for a ride anyway though so anyone who wants to hook up let me know.

ride24/7

02-20-2004, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
excerpted from the Public Outcry thread

Remember no matter what, the matter is being dealt with. Its the slow wheels of politics <essentially> in progress. We cant expect too much in such a short period of time. Its been a week to the day from Al's (ride 24/7) first report of the first things being torn down which was the rebuilding of the peir on the drop trail. And honestly, I'm amazed at how many people have written in or commented on this so far. Things are promising for the long term. Which is what really matters. The shed was rebuilt previously and it will be again!

Bare with us as frustrating as this is :)

Thanks again,

Dave

I really think that this time the rebuilding should wait until after we have seen what parks and rec and council are going to do about us and the situation. If we can work with them and get some guidelines for building etc then we can re build knowing stuff is safe from the chainsaws... if we can't work with them well we'll deal with that later. In the mean time lets be patient and see how things shake down.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-20-2004, 11:18 AM

If it wasnt clear in my essay there, I was trying to convey that what you said Al. We need to wait until an agreement has been reached.

ride24/7

02-20-2004, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
If it wasnt clear in my essay there, I was trying to convey that what you said Al. We need to wait until an agreement has been reached.

No I understood I was just adding my agreemant as it were... just backing you up buddy.;) I mean really having the stunts gone for a little while is a small price to pay if we can get an OFFICIAL agreement this time.

bruiser d

02-20-2004, 02:14 PM

we need you guys to get along so we can make the shed work for all of us once again.quit being so selfish dave and al.;) :P or you both be bruisered:thepimp:

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-20-2004, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by ride24/7
No I understood I was just adding my agreemant as it were... just backing you up buddy.;) I mean really having the stunts gone for a little while is a small price to pay if we can get an OFFICIAL agreement this time.

thats a big 10 4 buddy

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-20-2004, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by bruiser d
we need you guys to get along so we can make the shed work for all of us once again.quit being so selfish dave and al.;) :P or you both be bruisered:thepimp:

hey dave

al pm'd me and said to just bring it :P

Rhubes

02-22-2004, 07:05 PM

So what's the latest d00ds?? Let's not let this issue become second page news!!!

Tool

02-23-2004, 06:18 AM

we'll see tonight

bruiser d

02-23-2004, 02:04 PM

i called dangerous dan and we will be setting up the flow show on the front lawn of the delta legislative buildings.we will be having a group ride this weekend there.

;) :P wouldn't that be fun eh!
walked through the shed this weekend with my kids and was totally disgusted by what i saw.it just got me more pissed off:mad:

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-23-2004, 02:21 PM

is that the first time you saw it all dave?

bruiser d

02-23-2004, 02:28 PM

yeah it was . i saw your pictures and that pissed me off but when you actually go i and see it,it just rips you apart:mad: goats especially.

see you tonight , dave

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-24-2004, 04:09 PM

yea i havent seen connectable logs that have both fallen inbetween other tree's like that <on goats>.

ride24/7

02-24-2004, 06:18 PM

if anyone is wondering I went into the shed today and took down and hid all three swivel teeters. After hearing from Brett that they were probably going back in for the kill on what was left I decided to try to save them. If we don't get a promising resolution from Delta I guess I'll pack them up to fromme and put them in somewhere. They are certainly too good to let Delta parks throw them in the garbage. If things go well it's only a half hour job to put them all back in again.

P.S. everyone may as well stay off bitch slapper it is pretty much un ridable exept for the last log now.

Mike_Shore_rath

02-24-2004, 06:49 PM

Yesterday(monday feb 23) on channel 3 they showed Delta council talking about the Water Shed about what's going to happen. They basically said that everything will be taken down since the Water Shed is now in their budget. Some person will walk through the shed once a week to see if anything new is under construction. They showed pictures of all the trails saying how massive the structures are saying that we are destroying the forest painting a picture implying that mountain bikers are all bad. They basically don't give a shit about anything we say or do. I was in the shed on Saturday, ran into Dave and his children we both saw the damage. I was heartbroken to see all the stunts just chopped up into shit where we put countless hours to build stunts for our pass time. It's time I start biking on Grouse and go to trail days where my time won't be chainsawed into oblivion.

I don't have any time to save the teeter totters on Stairway but if anyone is willing to spend some time to save them that would be better than throwing them in the garbage.

FullMonty

02-24-2004, 06:57 PM

Well, I got my cookie cutter reply to my e-mail regarding the 'Shed. I think I'll send my e-mail to the mayor and the council, too.

ReCkLeSs RiDeR

02-24-2004, 09:49 PM

fromme is awesome I spent like 2 hours on air supply on saturday it was great so I think I'm going to try and ride there even more:)

Tool

02-25-2004, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by Mike_Shore_rath
They basically said that everything will be taken down since the Water Shed is now in their budget.

I'm pretty sure that the residents of Delta would like their hard earned tax dollars put to something else:rolleyes:

Maybe they can buy more $45 shovels. Why is it that when orginizations like government or even some buisnesses have a bit of money they spend it on friveless(sp?) shit

bruiser d

02-25-2004, 02:31 PM

simon those were $45 gold painted shovels.not just regular shovels.delta council is classy you know:rolleyes: as i have said many times......................delta is so far behind in the times..................wake the F'up delta.we will see how bretts meeting goes tonight with that felture kuntz.

grashopa

02-25-2004, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by bruiser d
simon those were $45 gold painted shovels.not just regular shovels.delta council is classy you know:rolleyes: as i have said many times......................delta is so far behind in the times..................wake the F'up delta.we will see how bretts meeting goes tonight with that felture kuntz.

I can always count on you cheering me up with a laugh. Felture was a perfect description :D

ride24/7

02-25-2004, 04:49 PM

It looks like some NS trail may be getting some pimp swivel teeters:rolleyes:

Cheech

02-25-2004, 05:00 PM

this is so stupid the shed was the one close spot that was close enough that most people could go for a quick ride. now we have to go all the way to the shore to ride. not saying the shore is bad but it takes longer to get to. Delta really needs to build a mountian bike park or somthing.:censored: :cry: :censored: :flame:

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-26-2004, 10:01 AM

I've received a few updates through emails with Brett Armstrong, here's the highlights:

in regards to how their meeting with Mr. Kuntz: "It would be an understatement to say that the meeting went well. We went into the meeting expecting the worst and we left feeling that we had covered some very crucial ground."

"We have been in contact with the head of Parks and Recreation, and they support us fully. With there help we are making a Draft Proposal to Mayor and Council to try and restore riding in the Shed to it's original glory."

Kuntz "knows that mountain bikers aren't going anywhere and he WANTS TO WORK WITH US TO FIND A PERMENENT SOLUTION to biking in the Shed. The works crews will be advised this afternoon that they are not to cut up anymore naturally fallen tree's, they are only to remove dangerous stunts."

Brett also stress's the fact we need input from EVERYONE. I've already suggested we invite a Rep from the Fire Hall located on 64th/Kittison Parkway since they deal with our more severe injuries. If anyone knows the name of the Equestrarian group by Joe Brown Park, please let me know as I'd like to formally invite them more or less.. at least let them know that they're welcome. Same with the family of students @ Pinewood.

Anyone know how to reach Scouts Canada and find out which branch usually camps in the Shed? Perhaps they should be there to offer input as well.

Late Bloomer

02-26-2004, 10:19 AM

Damn! That's definitely encouraging news...thanks for the update and keep up the GREAT JOB!!!

:clap: :clap: :woot: :clap: :clap:

bruiser d

02-26-2004, 02:19 PM

hey dave the cub scout leaders don't like mtn. bikers as i have been yelled at before for riding around the camp:rolleyes:

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-26-2004, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by bruiser d
hey dave the cub scout leaders don't like mtn. bikers as i have been yelled at before for riding around the camp:rolleyes:

Thats what I remember - just riding along the outskirts of the camp and some guy was yelling something like ' better not be comin in here'.. and I think he even had a hatchet in his hands :eek: just kiddin, it was a machete ;) j'k again.. .. I'll stop now.

I figure that will give them their 2 cents and then they go back to hating on us... or maybe if we work with them it can change. We wont know unless we do.

Late Bloomer

02-26-2004, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by bruiser d
hey dave the cub scout leaders don't like mtn. bikers as i have been yelled at before for riding around the camp:rolleyes: Likely they're pediphiles and don't like to be barged in on. They should be happy we're out there and not some crackheads, predators or psychopaths (the literal kind).:)

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-26-2004, 04:19 PM

yikes.. I never said it LB - thats almost a scandal.. perhaps its time to add a J on the end of those LB initials ;)

on the note of the psycho's - the female joggers that jog in there are happy we are there riding b/c they feel a lot safer with the frequency of riders encounters inside the park.

Late Bloomer

02-26-2004, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
yikes.. I never said it LB - thats almost a scandal.. perhaps its time to add a J on the end of those LB initials ;)

on the note of the psycho's - the female joggers that jog in there are happy we are there riding b/c they feel a lot safer with the frequency of riders encounters inside the park. Almost. It's all hypothetical, of course. ;) What would the "J" stand for?
We get the same reception from alot of the people in the park where we ride down here. They are happy to see us out there, even if we do shock/stun them @ times. They'd rather it be us than PURE deranged lunatics.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-26-2004, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Late Bloomer
Almost. It's all hypothetical, of course. ;) What would the "J" stand for?
We get the same reception from alot of the people in the park where we ride down here. They are happy to see us out there, even if we do shock/stun them @ times. They'd rather it be us than PURE deranged lunatics.

Of course it is - Not sure what the J would actually stand for - just referring to your former pres Lynden B Johnson. You know how it works - scandals, presidents.

Rhubes

02-26-2004, 09:45 PM

so true... *sigh*....*wheep*

Late Bloomer

02-27-2004, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
You know how it works - scandals, presidents. :lol: scandal & president are almost synonymous:lol:
I've come to the conclusion that the "J" will stand for 'Jebediah'. Because. (there's a period after because)

:fro:

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-27-2004, 12:50 PM

has anyone been in lately to see if BM made it?

bruiser d

02-27-2004, 02:18 PM

sorry dave i don't know:???: prolly will go in for a rip this sunday am then i will let you know.al and i are hittin' up fromme sat. are you into that?

later, dave:thepimp:

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-27-2004, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by bruiser d
sorry dave i don't know:???: prolly will go in for a rip this sunday am then i will let you know.al and i are hittin' up fromme sat. are you into that?

later, dave:thepimp:

yes... yes I would be into that. Any idea which trails? I might just have to throw the pedals on the big hit... and also, there's no way I'm riding up.. just cant do it right now.

The other dave :thepimp:

Tool

02-27-2004, 05:13 PM

sunday, what time:o :???: :D

bruiser d

02-27-2004, 06:36 PM

sunday morning in da shed and sat on fromme.we ARE RIDING UP YOU WUS:P

ReCkLeSs RiDeR

02-27-2004, 08:00 PM

I wanna ride somewhere:)

somewhere where I can huck the meat' :rawr:

Ralph Wiggum

02-27-2004, 09:28 PM

aShogunNamedMarcus
are you the dave who used to work at rocky cycle?

ReCkLeSs RiDeR

02-27-2004, 11:01 PM

ralph wiggum are you crazy?

Ralph Wiggum

02-28-2004, 12:17 AM

ummmm i guess so
i want to ride

Tool

02-28-2004, 03:47 AM

Originally posted by bruiser d
sunday morning in da shed and sat on fromme.we ARE RIDING UP YOU WUS:P

that sucks cause i was thinking of hittin up the shore on sunday

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-29-2004, 03:44 AM

Originally posted by ReCkLeSs RiDeR
ralph wiggum are you crazy?

No he's not actually.

aShogunNamedMarcus

02-29-2004, 03:44 AM

Originally posted by Ralph Wiggum
aShogunNamedMarcus
are you the dave who used to work at rocky cycle?

Yep. That would be me.

Dolph

03-01-2004, 02:35 PM

seems like bender is totally raped now.. last weekend at least you could ride the log, they've removed both ramps on either side..

bruiser d

03-01-2004, 02:39 PM

dolph are ya comming on friday to the meeting?

dave:thepimp:

Dolph

03-01-2004, 03:52 PM

yup.. I have volunteered way too many weekends doing tree planting and trail maintenance for the municipality of Delta for them to just go and f*ckin trash everything..

Rhubes

03-01-2004, 07:36 PM

roger, copy that..

Jigsaw

03-01-2004, 10:35 PM

Anyone catch the Delta Public Meeting on Channel 4 that's curretnly going on?

Anyways, they were talking about the Shed. They made mention to the fact that many letters have come in regarding the park. Also, alluding to Corey's letter, regarding the business that the park generates for Delta businesses.

Positives from the meeting:
-They seem to be taking it fairly seriously (the letters are being heard loud and clear)
-Councillors were sympathetic of us. htey mentionned that they should have been notified before the destruction had occured
-It SEEMS that they want to make mountain biking part of the park.
-Said that there talking with Surrey, Langley, and West Vancouver to see how they are developping mountain biking

Negatives:
-There are still the guys that don't see where were coming from (Kuntz and some other guy)
-They said that a couple years ago they made attempts to work with us (Shed Bike Club) and WE didn't make it happen. BS?
-Some of them seem hellbent on the idea that mountain biking poses too many risks.

The more people we get out to the meeting on Friday the better. They seem to be listening so we can't stop taliking about it until they do something.

Tool

03-01-2004, 11:35 PM

Mtn biking does pose certain risks, but so does Krispy Kreme:rolleyes:

As for the co-operation part:???:

bruiser d

03-02-2004, 02:24 PM

tell everybody you all know that has ridden in the shed to come out to friday's meeting.we seriously need the numbers as that equals more power.nice comment about trying to work with us.did you guys read the van. sun article.......more bullshit.:rolleyes:

ReCkLeSs RiDeR

03-02-2004, 05:15 PM

dave p. did you pick up your surprises for the meeting from the bikezone yet?:love:

bruiser d

03-02-2004, 07:03 PM

yes i did chad:thepimp:

ReCkLeSs RiDeR

03-02-2004, 07:05 PM

ooooh I know but I won't tell :shhh:

Rhubes

03-03-2004, 03:21 PM

I wish to know what it is that you two are talking about!

ReCkLeSs RiDeR

03-03-2004, 05:44 PM

surprises:shhh:

the flying moose

03-03-2004, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by Rhubes
I wish to know what it is that you two are talking about!

you dont wanna know. i heard it is a autographed pic of bruiser d in a provocative position. :fruit:

drop74

03-03-2004, 06:06 PM

Anybody see the article in the Leader. It pretty much said it is our fault that everything is getting torn down, because we failed to form a group to work with them. They said they told us to do it over 2 years ago. I thought that is what the Shed bike club was doing, I guess they are just trying to make themselves look better.

ReCkLeSs RiDeR

03-03-2004, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by lancepaydirt
you dont wanna know. i heard it is a autographed pic of bruiser d in a provocative position. :fruit:

sitting on his new a-line frame :shhh: no more

Cheech

03-03-2004, 08:17 PM

hey when and where is this meeting I would like to go see what is happening or going to happen with the shed.

ReCkLeSs RiDeR

03-03-2004, 08:33 PM

Delta.

Pinewood Elementary

March 5, 2004

7:00 PM

Wes

03-03-2004, 10:28 PM

Holy cwapperz!!! this shed has gotten Hugen!! so pointless too *sigh*.

-Wes

ride24/7

03-04-2004, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by lancepaydirt
you dont wanna know. i heard it is a autographed pic of bruiser d in a provocative position. :fruit:

here it is:D

grashopa

03-04-2004, 12:14 PM

ahahahahahaha :D

ride24/7

03-04-2004, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by grashopa
ahahahahahaha :D

I'm glad you like Bruisers new bathing suit.:D It's his new favorite.;)

grashopa

03-04-2004, 01:26 PM

Are you guys riding fromme Sunday? I'm in for a ride, got the clearance already. I hope Dave wears his new bathing suit. :lol:

ride24/7

03-04-2004, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by grashopa
Are you guys riding fromme Sunday? I'm in for a ride, got the clearance already. I hope Dave wears his new bathing suit. :lol:

Yup, be ready to rip cuz the new ride is fast.. I don't know if you know but I got a new ride. 03 shore, 04 super T, race face splined DH cranks, 8" hayes... lots of goodies. SWEET!!!! And the beauty thing is it wieghs and climbs the same as the old launch.:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D I am a happy biker:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp: