Goats gully = the new a-line?

[Samg]

no its not full of jumps, just rental retards.

unfortunatly most people on this forum aint responsible for this. But since the no joke closure, things have got silly. it took me nearly 15mins to make it through goats gully this today, most of that time was spent sitting on my bike watching people fall off, carry their bikes down sections or enjoying a pleasant scramble up the stepup before goats gully.

there are two huge 4x4 signs at the bottom of garbo informing people that the lift accesses expert and advanced trails only, most of the people I encountered there today could be described as beginner at best.

before anyone starts, i didn't overtake anyone or shout "out of the way fuckwit" i just sat on my bike and sighed:crybaby:

I'd have no problem if it was no so blatently obvious what was up there, anyone with myopia so bad they cant read those signs could in no way ride a bike.

p.s yes not all people on rental bikes are retards.

[fitchy]

yea i had the same problem today. they were everywhere. like i was riding down goats gully and this guy just decided to stop right in the middle of the trail. and on the "used" to be hard goats gully corner every person i saw do it walked down.

[cervo]

selection "drop" at the entrance, maybe...

[mattj]

Sucks to hear. I can't believe it took this long for the noob hordes to find it...


-m

[HIBuLlitT]

selection "drop" at the entrance, maybe...
I 2nd that^

[FlipFantasia]

yeah a friend and myself were going through at a decent clip yesterday afternoon, and a bunch of people were standing on the side of the trail contemplating their situation.....we go by and I heard one person say "holy f_ck!".....there are clearly more people getting in over their heads in that section lately, and I sure don't know what the solution is.....a definite problem though is that the start of the trail 'appears' really easy and lures a lot of people who shouldn't be there in.....

[Shrew]

Why don't they just take original sin?

[cervo]

because after there is nothing else than just bear cub to in deep...

[motorp]

we have been looking for an alternate route around GG, but the terrain is realy dificult for a blue trail. We have ideas, but want VANOC finish their stuff before we build anything. Meanwhile, patience! The sign at the bottom almost closes the entrance to Garbo lift. You can't possibly miss reading it.

[cervo]

tom, did you ever thought about building some kind of path on bear cub? undurstood "raking" the big dangerous rock on the run and following some zig zag way, just to slow down people and making the line safer... a bit like what we done last year on the way to the big rock wall and rock hip after GG (morphine or something like that)...

[kookboy]

I agree. Throw a double track sidewinding down bearcub for the blue and a nice 5ft drop at the top of GG to make it blantanly obvious that this is a double black and not equivalent to a black ski run that you can slide down on your ass.

All double blacks on the mountain, in my opinion, should have a mandatory drop or difficult section to dissuade potential "It looks fine from the beginning" people.

I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about.

For the crew to build a small drop or skinny or something to that matter at the beginning of each double black will lower the injury rate and raise safety.

[motorp]

I agree. Throw a double track sidewinding down bearcub for the blue and a nice 5ft drop at the top of GG to make it blantanly obvious that this is a double black and not equivalent to a black ski run that you can slide down on your ass.

All double blacks on the mountain, in my opinion, should have a mandatory drop or difficult section to dissuade potential "It looks fine from the beginning" people.

I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about.

For the crew to build a small drop or skinny or something to that matter at the beginning of each double black will lower the injury rate and raise safety.

There is a huge cost to trucking dirt to Bear Cub and I don't think that it would last. That "trail" is all rock. We have some other ideas - new trail altogether.
The drop at the start of GG is a good idea. Peaple would still find a way around like they do on A-Line. Good idea though.

[GeoffG]

I think it's the same thing as A-line. The two foot drop at the start doesn't scare many people so they think that they can ride the whole trail perfectly. You can put up all the signs you want, but there will still be people who don't understand what it takes to ride up at Garbonzo.

[kookboy]

I think it's the same thing as A-line. The two foot drop at the start doesn't scare many people so they think that they can ride the whole trail perfectly. You can put up all the signs you want, but there will still be people who don't understand what it takes to ride up at Garbonzo.

Hence the reason .. 5ft drop on Goat's .. like the A-line rock drop.

I bet you my ride that if there was a 5ft drop (not a roll) that it would prevent 90% of unaware riders from going down.

Don't you agree ?

[Lady Gravity]

i think a 5ft drop is a bit much, how about the same thing as the top of dm? what about people that can do steeps (me) but aren't as comfortable on drops - my comfort zone for drops is about 2-3 feet. btw i roll the a-line rock drop.

in any event, is it THAT big a deal that n00bs are doing gg - it's a pretty fair bet they wont be doing it more than once. i've also seen people walking sections of no joke, are you going to say they can't ride it? perhaps next time they WILL ride sections that they walked previously. not everyone is a rockstar when they start out.

[big ben]

how about a 3 foot drop off a ladder with a little gap to the tranny. that way you couldn't really roll it but people could still do it who aren't confident on super hucks.

[kookboy]

i think a 5ft drop is a bit much, how about the same thing as the top of dm? what about people that can do steeps (me) but aren't as comfortable on drops - my comfort zone for drops is about 2-3 feet. btw i roll the a-line rock drop.

in any event, is it THAT big a deal that n00bs are doing gg - it's a pretty fair bet they wont be doing it more than once. i've also seen people walking sections of no joke, are you going to say they can't ride it? perhaps next time they WILL ride sections that they walked previously. not everyone is a rockstar when they start out.

I exagerated a little :)

I agree as well. I had to walk most of Clown shoes and GG's when I 1st started out.

I guess some kind of skill/roll/drop that would give a good indication of what's to come down the trail would be good.

When I 1st when down Rock city last year, I thought it was a piece of cake. Then came the nice parts. I love it now, but then it scared the crap out of me.

Can't make everyone happy I guess. dang !

[the_undertaker]

they need an entrance like the one into d1

[GeoffG]

It only takes one time for the less skilled riders to go up Garbonzo and realize it's way out of their league. I can ride Goats Gully, but it's not my cup of tea, so I generally stay away from it. The good thing about Garbonzo is that not very many people go up anyways. I rarely see people on the trails up there so I don't think it's that big of a deal compared to A-line.

[kookboy]

It's not a big deal until a beginner gets seriously injured, which happens. I saw it happen in front of me a GG last year and I'm sure that was not an isolated incident.

Shit happens and it happens more when you're starting out.

A difficult entrance that reflects the trail would make the people curious about the trail think twice before venturing into a double black when they're only skilled for a green or blue at most.


There's quite a few places up on Garbo where you have to be a very fit person to lug a bike out of.

I had to help a father and son out a few weeks ago and literally carry each of their bikes on my shoulders and hike it back up to a suitable place to get off the trail because they could barely hike out, let alone carry a bike.

[HIBuLlitT]

How about a 5' drop to get to the Garbo lift line. That way they can't even
get on the lift unless they huck some shit in front of the liftie...

[Dude]

Good morning.

The only reason GG is seeing more noob traffic this weekend is because upper No Joke and Freight Train are closed.

~Captain Obvious.

[Luudwig]

what about people that can do steeps (me) but aren't as comfortable on drops - my comfort zone for drops is about 2-3 feet.

.

Excellent point! I am in the same category...no problem rolling the steeps but not comfortable doing drops...2 feet my max. :-(
Don't mind noobs on GG (they gotta learn somehow) but they need to understand that they need to get to the side of the trail as soon as they sketch on a section of the (any) trail.

[kookboy]

This thread is going around in circles.

I'll say it again...

What about the people on who get on the trail and are way in over their heads ?

They can't ride out and can barely walk out, let alone carry their bike.

It happens and quite often.

They look at the entrance to the trail and think because it looks easy that the rest is just the same.

A rock or a ladder that's steep and around 5ft that you can roll down, however many beginner or unaware people will think twice before doing it.

How's that ?

[socal rider]

yeah but the problem is more Whistler's fault than everyone elses.

What I mean by that is on Sat. the very top of Orig Sin was Closed as was the very top of No Joke. The only way down was Freight Train to the tunnel (Treetop) Beginning of the next section of Orig Sin. So everyone, and I mean everyone had to be funneled that way. w/o knowing where Bear Cub goes or how hard/difficult Goats Gully can be, they...the unknowing, veer down Goats Gully following everyone else.

I was there on Sat and was pretty pissed off that from the top your choices were pretty limited. Also to get to the next section of Freight Train you have to access it via Bear Cub after Goats Gulley. Pretty bunk in my opinion.

My main question is, what is Whistler going to do over the next couple of years before the Olympics in terms of trails? It seemed as if most of the closure was due to the trails/runs they are making for the Olympics.

Maybe I'll have to pass on next years trip.......nah!!
SCR

[kookboy]

Considering the turnout at Crankworkx and the increase in bike shops, sales and passes sold, there is a huge increase in riders in the last 2-3 years and it will be getting better and better.

I cannot see WBP slacking in the trail creation/maintenance area in the next few seasons due to the olympics.

There needs to be a green/blue run at the top of Garbo that is clearly marked and not a ski run or service road.

If that will happen in the future, I have no idea. I'm not sure what it would take to accomplish that.

I know what you're saying. I saw the herd up there on the weekend as well funnel into Freight T.

I think WBP should seriously consider placing a mandatory task to roll/drop/jump over at the beginning/trailhead of each double black trail.

If they do that, EVERYONE will be happier and more importantly, safer.

[Jon-boy]

BTW I have seen people walk/jump down the drop at the top of A-line a number of times.. so not everyone takes notice of it.

[Jasper]

Kookboy, some of your ideas are great....i.e. making the entrance more difficult. However putting a green or another blue is probably not what you want. But if you combine your green/blue trail idea with your exit route idea then that makes more sense. But wasting all that time building a green/blue trail could be put to good use elsewhere building another No Joke or something even better. I have no idea regarding this next statement but considering the terrain for Garbanzo area it would take way more effort making a green trail (more manicured trail) or blue (slightly less manicured trail) than say another GG or Too Tight, even Fatcrobat. Granted I would assume Freight Train took tons of time to create. This is getting way to long. Basically combine your ideas & there may just be a win-win there.
Peace

[LIPS]

no its not full of jumps, just rental retards.

Did you ever stop to think that you got in someones way when you were pushing your boundaries (that is how we learn) They paid there money, they have the same rights you do. Maybe instead of bitching you could help someone out with some instruction. I mean it's not like you're going any where with all those stupid "noobs" in front of you. Just a thought.

[schoenrock]

i think they should hire snipers and place them in the trees, first person to get on a trail that is beyond there skill level gets one right between the eyes.

[James_315]

If we make harder stunts at trail entrances to the double black diamonds, the groups of new riders who do not know what they're getting into will pass that trail by. The stunts would reflect the style of trail - ie, skinnies with teeters on them, drops, extended steeps. Those who know what they're getting into and and are stepping up for the first time might walk the first stunt and give'r on the rest, walking occassionally. That would keep the "masses" away. That's the main goal - to keep the majority of unknowing people from flailing down double blacks and hurting themselves. That would be great. But wait a minute. Where will all these riders go? At this point they've already taken the Garbo up....

I do not think that easier "bail-out" trails are the solution. The real novice/intermediate riders should just NOT be at the top. The trails at the top should be the most difficult on the mountain, ridden only by skilled riders. Maybe it's time to create some sort of security/safety access pass to be able to get onto the Garbo at the bottom, BEFORE beginners get stuck and BEFORE they get hurt. The pass shouldn't cost money but be earned through a quick riding clinic or something to show you've got the basic skill to just survive up top. WBP could post a couple mountain-employed riders at the bottom of the Garbo, after a reasonable number of riders show without clearance to go up, he/she takes them down something like Schleyer, Crack Addict, or Joyride and rides behind them to guage the riding level of the riders in the group. All it costs people is one sweet run back down to the Fitz, then, if they can show they're competent enough to ride a hard trail, their pass is validated so that when scanned at the bottom of the Garbo they'll be good to go up forever. If Whistler is dedicated to reducing the number of inexperience-related injuries on the top section of the mountain, I really think this could work. It would definately make inexperienced riders think twice before waltzing past the "EXPERT RIDERS ONLY" sign at the bottom of the Garbo "just to see what's up there".

On another note, this could reduce WBP's motivation to "dumb" down the hardest of the hard sections of trail at the top. If the true gnarl is only accessible by experienced riders with a baseline level of proven skill, fewer injuries will occur and the top of the mountain and trail builders will be able to let their imaginations go a little more. That way "paving" the difficult/dangerous Fitz-accessible trails could be justified, as these trails can be ridden by anyone.

[LIPS]

i think they should hire snipers and place them in the trees, first person to get on a trail that is beyond there skill level gets one right between the eyes.

Not to sound "Canadian" but your response sounds very "American":lol:

[Taylor_P]

i think they should hire snipers and place them in the trees, first person to get on a trail that is beyond there skill level gets one right between the eyes.


awesome john :lol:

[kookboy]

Yankee bean !

[Samg]

Did you ever stop to think that you got in someones way when you were pushing your boundaries (that is how we learn) They paid there money, they have the same rights you do. Maybe instead of bitching you could help someone out with some instruction. I mean it's not like you're going any where with all those stupid "noobs" in front of you. Just a thought.

Im still learning, i occasionally screw up that right hander on GG for example, so when im riding that trail i'll make sure theres space behind me for things to go wrong and not mess anyones run.

Regardless you've completly missed the point of my thread, Its about making sure people get to the right trails. Im sure alot of those people I encountered falling on their asses really did not want to be there.

For the record I think garbanzo should stay an expert only zone, after all beginners have the magic park so why shouldn't the people with some skills have their own area. One Blue trail (complete top to bottom and not a fireroad) would be good to keep those people who feel that they just have to go up there out of trouble.

[HIBuLlitT]

^So a lot of people think that Garbo area should have no blue runs on
it to keep people off the double blacks, and the blue people should go
to Blackcomb to ride. How about married couple, BF/GF couples that
enjoy riding to the top together, riding different trails and meeting back
at the bottom for the ride back up?

I for one love the top section, GG, FT, NJ (RIP) etc. As it stands she does
a run and we try to meet up at one of the skills centers, but they get boring
for both of us so I ride AL/DM etc more than I want.

So how about a blue run (a la CIU, HOD...her fav) so couples could ride
together more and she/he doesn't feel like a mtb widow when they go
to the happiest place on earth...:woot:

Back on topic...how about an entry stunt you can't go around (barb wire
on either side and a gap w/ aligators and snakes).

[rider1313]

Back on topic...how about an entry stunt you can't go around (barb wire on either side and a gap w/ aligators and snakes).

i think that may present some safety concerns...

[peachy-B]

i was reading this and thought... something like the entrance of sexboy! unfriendly enough to say what's coming up but not ridiculously hard.

i, too, can't make that corner... i have a hard time turning to the right. somehow left is more do-able for me. that's it W should only do left turns. :D

[peachy-B]

Maybe instead of bitching you could help someone out with some instruction. I mean it's not like you're going any where with all those stupid "noobs" in front of you. Just a thought.

i wouldn't do something like that if i don't have a clue to his skill level... u need to at least ride a run w/ that guy before u could safely judge what he/she can/can not do. i'm all for instructions... heck i need 'em too but if u don't know the skill of the rider it could get even more dangerous for them.

[Dude]

Back on topic...how about an entry stunt you can't go around (barb wire
on either side and a gap w/ aligators and snakes).

Come on man, this is a serious topic. Besides, climate is too cold for aligators, and where would we put the tank?

Suggest lasers. And snakes.

[surfinguru]

I agree with most of the other posters that there should be a more "intimidating" entry to the trail. In fact, the beginning of every trail at the top of the mountain is very easy and misleading to the less talented. I don't think you should "ban" anyone from going to the top of the mountain and pushing their limits because how else is one to progress?

Maybe create something like the entry to D1 with the big ass sign saying "Pro Level Trail" and the challenging 1st drop-in section would be appropriate. Just my $.02....

[DUDEONABIKE]

i like the idea of the special pass to go up to garbo, but i wouldnt want to wait for other people who dont have passes. but i thin there could be a sign or person at the top of the runs asking the begginers/intermidiate riders to stay away. the only problem is that theres likely no one who will do that.

[LIPS]

[QUOTE=Samg]
"Regardless you've completly missed the point of my thread, Its about making sure people get to the right trails. Im sure alot of those people I encountered falling on their asses really did not want to be there."




I don't think I missed the point at all. Do you think the people you speak of just took there first run on Easy does it and then decided let's give GG a try? I'm almost positive they saw the the black/double black sign at the lift.

[Mark-R]

I'm gonna add my 2 cents on this recurring theme:

I sense some elitism and don't like it:
from Wiki: situations where a group of people who claim to possess high abilities or simply an in-group or cadre conspire to give themselves extra privileges at the expense of all other people. This form of elitism may be described as discrimination.

My little sister will be visiting and she's intermediate and progressing well.
She'll probably ride 75% of Garbanzo, for sure she'll walk GG and stuff like that, but she paid a flight across the continent, brought her bike, bought her lift tickets and I'll be damned if she doesn't get to see how beautiful and long the Garbanzo trails are, the nice skinnies on Fatcrobat, the view of original sin, etc.

I'm the first to tell someone in a way they'll remember, to get out of the way when they're cluelessly blocking the trail. So don't worry, we won't be in anybody's way. Maybe this should be made clear with noobs and "rental retards"

Just remember, this great bike park we have is because of the masses who come here and pay to get the Whistler experience.

[Banshee Beast]

I'm with Mark-R. And why even give a crap about someone "walking" down a trail. We have ALL walked some parts of a trail that may have been over our heads or might have been the first time down them. Even pro racers walk the course to check out lines. Relax, there's always gonna be other runs where you can speed racer. Remember, the persons whos skills you disrespect today will prolly come to kick your fat ass some time in the future!

[Dude]

I sense some elitism and don't like it:
from Wiki: situations where a group of people who claim to possess high abilities or simply an in-group or cadre conspire to give themselves extra privileges at the expense of all other people. This form of elitism may be described as discrimination.

My little sister will be visiting and she's intermediate and progressing well.
She'll probably ride 75% of Garbanzo, for sure she'll walk GG and stuff like that, but she paid a flight across the continent, brought her bike, bought her lift tickets and I'll be damned if she doesn't get to see how beautiful and long the Garbanzo trails are, the nice skinnies on Fatcrobat, the view of original sin, etc.

I'm the first to tell someone in a way they'll remember, to get out of the way when they're cluelessly blocking the trail. So don't worry, we won't be in anybody's way. Maybe this should be made clear with noobs and "rental retards"

Just remember, this great bike park we have is because of the masses who come here and pay to get the Whistler experience.

Someone is taking the board a bit too seriously. Tissue time.

Did somebody put skinnies on Fatcrobat? Last I looked it was a bit, wooden sidewalk carved out of a big, round log???

[Lady Gravity]

Someone is taking the board a bit too seriously. Tissue time.

Did somebody put skinnies on Fatcrobat? Last I looked it was a bit, wooden sidewalk carved out of a big, round log???

be nice, not all of us are comfortable on wood that's raised off the ground. i find the fatcrobat "highways" a challenge - laugh if you want, i'm ok with that.

[apeshape]

Get over yerselves, we've all walked around something at some point in our riding history and many of us will continue to do so. Some may even hike back up and do it twice. Put up some better signage if something is to happen but there will always be some people that have less common sense than others. Its part of the process of natural selection.

[Mark-R]

Someone is taking the board a bit too seriously. Tissue time.

Did somebody put skinnies on Fatcrobat? Last I looked it was a bit, wooden sidewalk carved out of a big, round log???


What ever "Dude", count my posts, that'll tell you how serious this board is to me.

[Dude]

Relax man. I wasn't actually being serious when I wrote "lasers and snakes" at the trailhead. It's called Sarcasm . I may have the meaning wrong...maybe you could look it up, and post it? Thanks in advance.

I'm having a good natured go at you, that's all. Pulling out the "discrimination" card? Come on...weak sauce.

I'm actually in your corner...everyone has had to walk a section at some point. Just be courteous, and get well to the side at first warning of "rider up". Easy peasy lemon squeezey.

Ms. Gravity: I'm right there w/ you. Skinnies are in my past, right there with feathered hockey hair, and Levis bean huggers. Thankfull for the sidewalk as well, but they ain't no skinny. ;)

[HIBuLlitT]

Mark-r, I hear you up to a point. I for one will not take my wife up garbo.
That would be over her head, she might get hurt and I would feel bad. I
don't think it's too much to have a entry stunt. They do that to reduce
liability, to let people know whats coming, to stop people from getting in
over their heads. You are taking your sister up, you know the trail, you
know her ability, you are taking responsibility for her safety in many ways.

As said before, many people look at a black diamond and relate it to skiing.
I don't too many people mentioned that walking a stunt is bad, or walking
past a section (we've all done it). I think the original poster saw people that
looked like they didn't want to be there anymore (in over their heads).

Wow, there are some grumpy people on the board today. :beer:

[Mark-R]

Mark-r, I hear you up to a point. I for one will not take my wife up garbo.
That would be over her head, she might get hurt and I would feel bad.

Wow, there are some grumpy people on the board today. :beer:

Totally agree, I think she'll be up to it if not on the first day, then after a week of riding, at least 1 run on Garbo.

I'm not against entry stunts, I think they're a good idea. I want to show lil sis A-line/DM, but if lil sis ain't up for those entry drops, no go. I'll have to see, haven't ridden with her yet this year, but she's progressing fast.

And for my "elitist" reference, I just read a bunch of "righty" sounding posts like taking tests/special tickets to access parts of the mountain, so I felt like adding something totally "lefty". It's all good. I actually wasn't aware that they did this in the winter (never saw it back east). Maybe one day when mountain biking catches up to winter numbers, it'll happen. The day it does, we know the sport is good and healthy :D

[bcbud]

They only have a special pass in the winter for the black park on Blackcomb, under the Catskinner Chair. They did this mainly in response to the lawsuit from the kid in Vancouver who came up here learned to snowboard in one day and his friends dared him to hit the Shack booter, consequently breaking himself, then the lawsuit, which the WB was found liable for 2/3 of the damages. Now you pay a little more money for your black pass, sign your life away on a special waiver (which I beleive is smaller then the mountain bike one) and you can get into the black park, which intirely fenced off from the rest of the hill, one entrance at the top. This has thinned out the traffic in the park and also made for some stupid big jumps and rails being built due to his restriction. Anyone who rides the WB can attest to this.
In theory they COULD do this to certain parts of the bike park, the Boneyard comes to mind, and Aline. But that would mean fencing off lots of terrain and hireing some shmoes to check passes. I wouldn't want to see it, but it could happen if someone who is in over their head get serious hurt and threatens a lawsuit.

[Bryce]

How about married couple, BF/GF couples that
enjoy riding to the top together, riding different trails and meeting back
at the bottom for the ride back up?

seriously?

[enduramil]

selection "drop" at the entrance, maybe...

*picturing Lemmings*

[enduramil]

I'm with Mark-R. And why even give a crap about someone "walking" down a trail. We have ALL walked some parts of a trail that may have been over our heads or might have been the first time down them. Even pro racers walk the course to check out lines. Relax, there's always gonna be other runs where you can speed racer. Remember, the persons whos skills you disrespect today will prolly come to kick your fat ass some time in the future!

Part of the problem with people walking down trails is lack of awarness and attention span. Especially in large groups as they tend to clump and gather in bad places or on the trail.

Years ago when Whistler just started doing the MTB came down after going up Khyber. came around a corner at 70KMH got a shock. 15 people in a group walking bikes. 2 still walking to the group right down the middle 2 abreast while the group blocked the path.

It comes back again to a overwhelming lack of simple basic trail education.

[Team2K]

Next time i'm up, i'm bringing a lawn chair and a cooler and camping out at the bottom of the three humps all day!

[fenge]

Part of the problem with people walking down trails is lack of awarness and attention span. Especially in large groups as they tend to clump and gather in bad places or on the trail.

Years ago when Whistler just started doing the MTB came down after going up Khyber. came around a corner at 70KMH got a shock. 15 people in a group walking bikes. 2 still walking to the group right down the middle 2 abreast while the group blocked the path.

It comes back again to a overwhelming lack of simple basic trail education.

It's not even trail education. It's common sense. You see exactly the same thing at whistler (or any mountain) in the winter. I almost landed right on top of a kid sitting in the middle of a transition. Missed him by about 3 feet, yelled a few choice words. Even after having me almost decapitate him, I look back up the hill, and sure enough he's only moved a few feet off the landing and is still sitting there gabbing with his friends. :stupid:

[muddygrl]

*picturing Lemmings*

Thanx, enduramil, for a much needed laugh...

[chauncy]

And snakes.

They should have samuel jackson stand infront of the trail!

[kookboy]

Next time i'm up, i'm bringing a lawn chair and a cooler and camping out at the bottom of the three humps all day!
Reminds me of the guy eating a hot dog standing at the bottom of the rock drop on a-line.

Probably pulled it out of his ass.

Common-sense apparently is non-existent in many people on the mountain.

Regardless, walking is fine as we all do it.

I still think a skilled section at the BEGINNING of each double black diamond trailhead should be there not just to filter out ignoramus's, but should be mandatory to prevent/lower injuries.

[shirk]

i think they should hire snipers and place them in the trees, first person to get on a trail that is beyond there skill level gets one right between the eyes.

I vote for this solution.

The one and only time I have rode WBP was on opening day of Garbo this season and every fricking n00b ahead of me screwed up in that right hander on GG and casued me to either blow the corner myself. Damn posers on big ass couch DH bikes and full moto gear and walking a simple tech corner.

[kookboy]

Damn posers on big ass couch DH bikes and full moto gear and walking a simple tech corner.
That would have been me at the beginning of last year.


We all have to go through it at some point in the beginning ... don't you agree ? :ohthedrama:


Or are you one of the jaded one's who started out as a pro from day one ? :|


You picked the day when they opened up Garbo. What the hell did you expect ? A quiet picnic in the park ? :rolleyes:


Filtering out the noob's by a skilled section at the beginning of the trailhead that reflects the trail's difficulty level should be mandatory , however pointing the finger at slow/new riders is not the solution to this issue, now is it ?


I didn't think so.

[DaveM]

i think they should hire snipers and place them in the trees, first person to get on a trail that is beyond there skill level gets one right between the eyes.

Then they'd have to hire more people to drag the bodies off the trail.

Could you imagine the outrage if Dave Watson tried to bunny hop one of the bodies and clipped a toe?

[snipes_rider24]

The enterence to D1 is a good way to keep lower level riders out IMO.

Just a nice techy little roll.

[kookboy]

The idea is not to keep people out, but to warm potential riders of what's to come.

If you want to keep all lower level rider out, then where would they go to raise their skill level ?

I went down GG's last year when it was past my skill level. I needed something to work up to, however when I was off the bike or really slow, I always pulled way off to the side for others to ride on by.

That is the way it should be.

Plus the skill/tech entrance.

Can't keep people out, but you can limit who goes in there by the beginning of the trailhead.

[shirk]

The idea is not to keep people out, but to warm potential riders of what's to come.

If you want to keep all lower level rider out, then where would they go to raise their skill level ?

I went down GG's last year when it was past my skill level. I needed something to work up to, however when I was off the bike or really slow, I always pulled way off to the side for others to ride on by.

That is the way it should be.

Plus the skill/tech entrance.

Can't keep people out, but you can limit who goes in there by the beginning of the trailhead.

This is why a sniper is needed to keep the kooks out. Or maybe some land mines just off the trail builders intended line. You braid or dab and BLAMO a mine explodes and takes off your foot. That should keep the kooks off.

[kookboy]

The kooks are the reason why you're not paying the same amount a seasons pass is in the winter.

Think about that.

All we need is a D1 entrance to all the dbl black's.

<---- Simple as the t*ts on my google girl :)

[Cakewalker]

This thread was an interesting read, as I just returned from a few days in Whistler. I have only ridden No Joke in the past, and was sorry to see it closed. I was always hestitant to ride Original Sin, because on the map (Bear Cub is not on the map) it shows to do so means having to ride GG and In-Deep, and I wasn't sure I was ready for double-black runs. Anways, there were very few people up on Garbonzo last week, so I gave it a try. Original Sin and Facrobat were no problem, just like No-Joke. GG and In-Deep were challenging for me, but after a few runs I could ride everything but the optional drops. I was careful not to get in anyone's way. Like some others, the one right-hand switchback (about an 160 degree turn) still has me stumped, but I'll keep working on it.

So I have a few comments on some of the earlier discussions. If beginners are on these trails after all the well marked warnings, it's because they are the type of person who ignores the warnings (and if WBP installs hard stunts at the start, they will just walk around). As for putting a 5 foot drop to dissuade "Non-experts", there are no mandatory 5 foot drops on those trails? There isn't even a mandatory 3 foot drop? Like Lady Gravity and others, my limit is about 2.5 feet (I'm 43 and have only been free-riding for 2 years) but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed on GG and In-Deep. Indeed, the 8-10 runs I did last week really helped progress my riding (all while keeping me off A-line and DM!). I agree that the Pro-Line sign on D-1 is very effective - it worked on me and I stuck to Too-tight.

[hard_core_biker]

when i encounter beginners on 'expert' trails, walking or being noob-ish i ask them if they saw the 'experts only' sign.

98% of the ppl say 'i didnt know it'd be this hard..', then make some lame excuse.
this pisses me right off!!

if they make a 5'+ drop at the top, make an 8' chain-link fence all around it, no walking down the side...

but this is just my opinion,
-brett

[LIPS]

That's one of the things I think Whistler is really missing - chain-link fencing:crazy:

[M@M]

i think they should hire snipers and place them in the trees, first person to get on a trail that is beyond there skill level gets one right between the eyes.
http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/swift_modest_proposal.jpg

[SkunkworkS]

And in the end, nothing is going to change.

So,

Ride more, bitch less.

[kookboy]

And in the end, nothing is going to change.

So,

Ride more, bitch less.

Just came back from riding.

Gotta love it :)

[muddygrl]

http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/swift_modest_proposal.jpg

Love this, M@M...you have an English Lit degree, too?

[M@M]

Love this, M@M...you have an English Lit degree, too?
nope, still in the gong show known as high school, for one more year.