THE official mt washington thread.

[wheeler]

I might be the only one here who ride this mountain on regular basis, but I'll keep posting everytime i go up there for anyone who cares.

Mt Washington opened today(july 13th) finally, me and my buddy ferg were the first ones up and got first tracks on big brother and the 4 cross course.


Besides there being some rebuilt jumps on big brother the trails are in pretty much the exact same condition they were in last year at closing, but had some issues with the work that has been done on big brother.

BIg brother has some jumps that are super sketchy with totally over built lips that go straight up and kick your rear end up. I think some people are gonna get hurt considering the trail only has a blue rating. And at the very top of BB there was huge hole in the middle of the trail where it looks like they dug out a big rock but never filled the hole.
THere were a few different spots where they tried to smooth out the trails with plain dirt and in the rain it jsut turned to pure sludge. made it super hard to carry speed and steer. They should have used gravel or something.

It's been said before, and i have to agree,Whover is building and maintaining these trails doesnt know what they are doing it seems.


I got some pretty good service from the newly expanded tread shed/mtn tek, when my rear break stop working and needed a bleeding. I was in there for maybe 25 minutes and 4 different kids came to ask if they could borrow tools, it was pretty funny.

All in all it was a super fun , and super wet muddy day, and i cant wait to get up there next week.

[dragonbones]

No new trails? I thought a good ski season was suposed to lead to extra trails and more mainteance... maybe in a month or so. Last year on opening day, none of the woodwork had any mesh on it and eventually it got done... after my buddy slipped and broke his finger.
Hopefully it happens sooner than later, I'll just have to be patient.

[GeoffG]

Im surprised they didn't hike up the price again:rolleyes:. There is no way Im paying $29 to ride the shittiest lift access riding in the world.

[Universe]

I heard a price hike is coming in order to 'maintain' the trails. Skifreak?

[skifreak]

that's the word on the street - the problem is management doesn't ride - so they really don't have a clue how bad it is out there.

I'm guessing they were charging full price? considering 6 of 16 trails were open...

I've no idea right now who is on the trail crew but I know the head guy from last year is the same one this year. I'm going to be seeing one of the resort operations managers tonight I'll see if I can buy him a beer and find out whats up.

[skifreak]

as such I'm gonna be sticking to the cumberland or forbidden trails.

[Universe]

Same thing every year. So much potential...such BAD management.

[skifreak]

They have their new "Trail Report" and it shows as such...

Big Brother - Trail modifications - take offs changed, landings longer. Look before you leap!

So just because they have shovels - doesn't mean they know how to use them.

Scratch and sniff - built by one of the lift maintenance guys is one of the best trails on the mountain... The ones built by the "trail crew" just seem to suck

[Bryce]

There is no way Im paying $29 to ride the shittiest lift access riding in the world.

:lol: is it really that bad? I've never been so I'll have to check it out this summer just to see it for myself.

You'd think some of these hills would either a) hire an experienced builder (kinda like Cypes and Digger) or b) get a local riding organization to review existing trails and make suggestions on how to improve. I suppose you'd still have to hire a trail crew for liability reasons

[GeoffG]

:lol: is it really that bad? I've never been so I'll have to check it out this summer just to see it for myself.

You'd think some of these hills would either a) hire an experienced builder (kinda like Cypes and Digger) or b) get a local riding organization to review existing trails and make suggestions on how to improve. I suppose you'd still have to hire a trail crew for liability reasons

I think they had Berreclothe building the trails last year, I don't know if he still is:S. It just has no flow at all. It's almost as if they just say "Uh, let's just put a stepup right in the middle of that big field."

[myster chron]

if u cant find the flow at washington- stay the fuck @ home. its not ur average paved to perfection n00b cradeling terrain- but if u cant figure out how ur suspension is to supposed to work for u ur not gonna have a good time. but if u can go balls out in chunder city ull b alright. sure the lips rnt a-line material but everything is doable- its jsut another challenge to try and rember which ones u need a speed chek for and which ones u can just send. i enjoy washington alot more because u have to actully work and think ur way through the mountain, then to just strait up go like a blind mouse for the cheese.
maybe what im trying to say is ride more- bitch less and if sumthing is really buggin u and a group of other people, go to the first aid and trail crew portable and put sum specific suggestions in, ever seen the workload board in there? all the time its full of specific areas that the trail crew has to work on. if they dont know what works and what doesnt get in there and tell them im sure they'll @least consider it and if enough people have trouble with that area it'll go up on the board.

where else can u get 25-30 runs in a day on the island?

[wheeler]

if u cant find the flow at washington- stay the fuck @ home. its not ur average paved to perfection n00b cradeling terrain- but if u cant figure out how ur suspension is to supposed to work for u ur not gonna have a good time. but if u can go balls out in chunder city ull b alright. sure the lips rnt a-line material but everything is doable- its jsut another challenge to try and rember which ones u need a speed chek for and which ones u can just send. i enjoy washington alot more because u have to actully work and think ur way through the mountain, then to just strait up go like a blind mouse for the cheese.
maybe what im trying to say is ride more- bitch less and if sumthing is really buggin u and a group of other people, go to the first aid and trail crew portable and put sum specific suggestions in, ever seen the workload board in there? all the time its full of specific areas that the trail crew has to work on. if they dont know what works and what doesnt get in there and tell them im sure they'll @least consider it and if enough people have trouble with that area it'll go up on the board.

where else can u get 25-30 runs in a day on the island?

I'm paying for their services, so i think i have a bit of right to bitch. THey expect to attract people to pay they should listen.

I still love it up there and have a super fun day everytime, but if everyone had your attitude the mtn would never get better and people would only come once and never again.
It had soo much potential but they need to get and ear to the ground and figure out whats up.

[skifreak]

if u cant find the flow at washington- stay the fuck @ home. its not ur average paved to perfection n00b cradeling terrain-

The problem with that statement - you're trying to allow a broad range of rider abilities to be on the same trail - it needs a lot more work.

the trail crew just needs to have someone in charge who works from a standard of construction like worca or imba have put together.

controlling runoff, mud accumulation before boardwalks and more is an important part of the whole thing.

[Universe]

where else can u get 25-30 runs in a day on the island?

WOW. You make suuuuch a good case.

Please. 28 bucks is a freaking rip off for what you get. When you think about it they hire 'friends' not true trailbuilders with skills and common sense. I applied, I got rejected. Check my work. If you are ok Chron with taking it up the ass then fine. Most people aren't. Yes...we know its a lift access hill where you can get lots of runs in. Thank you captian obvious. You don't go ride shitty, poorly thought out trails in your riding area, so when does paying for it make it ok?

PS: The suggestions have been made SEVERAL times with no effect. They have no competition, so they spend as little as possible and have the product to prove it.

[Wayne P]

The only time I rode Washington was during last years' BC finals. I liked a lot of it, like Mister Chron says, you had to work for it. I also liked how rough it was. Nothing smooth and really most of the mountain, any mountain, should be like that.

But there were the horrible tables and jumps that made no sense whatsoever.

[GeoffG]

the horrible tables and jumps that made no sense whatsoever.

:lol: YES! And the random wall rides in the middle of a field is cool , too:rolleyes:.

[Universe]

But there were the horrible tables and jumps that made no sense whatsoever.

Exactly what I'm talking about.

[skifreak]

there is no plan - other than they want to build it up and charge more. talk about racing down the highway without the headlights on.

[Bryce]

maybe they figure we're just a bunch of undiscerning tourists - way off. 2 years ago Silver Star was completely empty. Then they built some cool stuff and now their parking lot has triple the number of cars in the summer

[skifreak]

According to the "Alpine View" the trails are being buffed and hammered... that's the problem right there!

Mountain Bike Trail Report
The DH trails are shaping up nicely and more are opening daily. Our crafty trail crews are busy digging, building, buffing and hammering out a biking paradise for fans of the phat tire!

Are you looking to stay up-to-date on the trail conditions up here? If you are, surf to our swanky new trail report at our equally swanky new bike park website, you can find it all by clicking here.

[Cvripper]

They JUST opened 2 days ago the snow melted like a week ago theyve done good for the short amount of time theyve had between the snow melting and opening. i garentee once it drys up a bit more the trail crew will be out their. Theirs no Way its the worst lift acessed mountain....NO WAY! maybe not the whister you vancouver kids are used to but still. and yes darren is building the trails this year along with the slopestyle and dirt jumps(witch will probly rock if he puts the time into them)

[Universe]

They JUST opened 2 days ago the snow melted like a week ago theyve done good for the short amount of time theyve had between the snow melting and opening. i garentee once it drys up a bit more the trail crew will be out their. Theirs no Way its the worst lift acessed mountain....NO WAY! maybe not the whister you vancouver kids are used to but still. and yes darren is building the trails this year along with the slopestyle and dirt jumps(witch will probly rock if he puts the time into them)

If they are actuallly paying a trail crew, they have done terrible. Get someone up there with 1/2 a clue to build structures that dont suck. That includes Darren B. I'd be embarrased to put my name on 'the claw' structure that is up there.

[M@M]

If they are actuallly paying a trail crew, they have done terrible. Get someone up there with 1/2 a clue to build structures that dont suck. That includes Darren B. I'd be embarrased to put my name on 'the claw' structure that is up there.
I think it was named "the claw" before he took the name. it is an embarassing feature none the less.

[myster chron]

I'm paying for their services, so i think i have a bit of right to bitch.

bitchin gets a whole fuckload of nuthing done tho. making sum specific suggestions to the right people, refreshments in hand will go alot further.

Please. 28 bucks is a freaking rip off for what you get.

UMMM last i cheked riding difficult, hard to master trails for about a buck a run is far from a rip of, but thats jsut me. i agree there r sum shotty structures and poorly thought out trails on the mountain, and i know ur pissed of u got rejected, but what was stoping u from doing sum covert misions on the parts that really needed it. or stoping on one of ur many runs when u seen memebrs of the trail crew on a closed trail, and wlak down there and actully offer up sum knowledege to the guys in the trenches? and not jsut oh do this, but actully explain why doing this is a way better ,method+end result then what that was shaping up to b. give a man a fish and he eats for a day- teach a man how to fish and he'll b eatign fish all his life.
trail building is not sumthing that comes easy especialy when its in a high traffic area like a lift resort, and the guys who r doing it have less than ideal background knowledge and resources. sure it's less than proffesional for the mountain to b run like that, but unless one of u buys it i dont see the missmanagment changing any time soon, our best bet is to work from the bottom of the rung up. because thats were the changes happen from and u can bribe a bit of influence way easir there.

i asume if u were working there things would b running smoother but- thats the way the cookie crumbled.


unrelated- i am not saying the mountain is perfect or the resort area to look up to- far from it, but it has sum good things going for it. and alot of improvments need to b made for it to become appealable to the masses. imho the seaons they have is way to short to even get half of what needs to b done- done but if the feed back was alot more constructive and specific u'd at lest start seeing a step or steps in the right direction.


ok- edit... i re read the thread a little bit... and it came to me that there is aload of specific sugestions being made and not jsut random bickering, sorry for the over reaction. i can see that there is a load of frustration building- because every year the same things r being question and complained about and nuthing ever gets done. all i was hoping to do was get a bit of positives out there because if people jsut hear the negatives nobody will want to come there and maybe jsut maybe, if that happens the bike park project will get abandoned.
i'd hate to see the island loose the place because the potential is there, the execution just seems to disapoint over and over again.

[Cvripper]

whats the claw?

[Cvripper]

o and i dont think they do pay the trail crew

[wheeler]

whats the claw?

The claw isnt there anymore. It got taken down last season and replaced with a dirt jump.
http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/288790/

[Universe]

Chron, I'll put it this way. I offered to work there for passes....not cash...and they still said no. What kind of place would do that? Experienced trailbuilder WITH photos of all my stuff. They are a very screwed up place.

[myster chron]

Chron, I'll put it this way. I offered to work there for passes....not cash...and they still said no. What kind of place would do that? Experienced trailbuilder WITH photos of all my stuff. They are a very screwed up place.

in know way shape or form am i denying that fact/ and in no way shape or form am i denying that u dont do triple A quality work. it is a real shame that they turned down a volunteer of ur caliber ,but hey if they keep on making their bed the way they are eventually they are gonna have to sleep in it :crazy: :(

[Universe]

Well not really. The worst thing about Mt Washington is that they have no competition.

[dragonbones]

www.pinkbike.com/photo/288790

"The Flaw!" Haha.

[skifreak]

word on the street from a few riders I know - the management has stepped up their interest in the work of the trail crew and are implementing new work routines...

[myster chron]

Well not really. The worst thing about Mt Washington is that they have no competition.


hmm, if only i had a billion dollars :crybaby:

[McTB]

I've only been to Mt. Washington once and I had a blast. I'm a Whistler Season's pass holder and comparing the two, I wasn't disappointed. I wasn't expecting it to rival the world's biggest and probably among the best bike parks.
I actually thought Big Brother was the best trail on the mountain because the features were somewhat unique. You couldn't blast every one but that's OK. You can't blast every jump on A-Line either.
The more parks the better. Stay patient and positive. You want to talk not worth it, anyone ride Cypress' park last year?

[Bryce]

^^^ I rode cypes last year and even that seemed worthwhile. Maybe I need to ride less, bitch more. :lol: I got the $70 pass deal and it was decent just for rocking a few runs after work and then heading down other trails to the bottom. Not everyones cup of tea though. I hope they're building that shit up!

[noah]

yeah i liked cypress. they had some good tech trails going, an even some decent sized jumps near the bottom at the end of the season. plus being so close, i cant wait till next year.

[wheeler]

I'll be up there tomorrow. Hopefully it dried up a bit.

Anyone else?

[strahan]

Two coming from victoria...

[wheeler]

I was up today(wednesday), It has dried out alot. Pretty good day.
Wizard opened up today with some super muddy sections but still super fun. Rutted and bumpy, no new features
Same with lower helter skelter.

My favourtie trail on the mountain is still hustler, with it's big berms and tables. So much fun but i wish it was longer.

I cut off wizard where it joins onto big brother and went down the ski run around the corner and found some giant piles of dirt and some dj's with an exacavator. Looks like they have some plans for some sweet jumps. I hope they consult some real riders before they get too far into it.

ANother cool thing, I saw an elusive marmot today. Chilling on some rocks rigth under the chair. Watching the charilifters go by.

[M@M]

My favourtie trail on the mountain is still hustler, with it's big berms and tables. So much fun but i wish it was longer.


that is by far the best trail on the mtn. there arent really any real jumps, but, the berms, oh the berms! they are totally unspoiled, and smooth. not a sinlge bump. last year, I saw them from the chair for the first time, abosolutely had to ride the trail.

[strahan]

Skipped work today and checked out the mountain. It was good times! The trails are not yet as buff as two years ago, but worlds better than last year. Direct from PR, there is a new trail maintenance philosophy...which means smooth trails for us...we even cracked off a few shots between runs up the mountain on a high speed lift with zero wait in the lift line!

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h154/mega_destroyer/washington/wash_july19_01.jpg

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h154/mega_destroyer/washington/wash_july19_02.jpg

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h154/mega_destroyer/washington/wash_july19_03.jpg

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h154/mega_destroyer/washington/wash_july19_04.jpg

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h154/mega_destroyer/washington/wash_july19_05.jpg

[wheeler]

Skipped work today and checked out the mountain. It was good times! The trails are not yet as buff as two years ago, but worlds better than last year. Direct from PR, there is a new trail maintenance philosophy...which means smooth trails for us...we even cracked off a few shots between runs up the mountain on a high speed lift with zero wait in the lift line!




Nice pics.
I saw you guys up there. We ran into you on MMT. You guys were ripping it. HOw many runs did you fit in?

[M@M]

anybody ridden the blue vein yet? last year, i think it was blue vein, it was a really steep techy gnarly trail. Really fun, but one section was steep enough to scare you to bits.

[wheeler]

Blue vein was closed. It's good for a quick adrenaline rush. but scratch n' sniff is more fun. They did some good stuff in there near the end of last season.

[strahan]

Nice pics.
I saw you guys up there. We ran into you on MMT. You guys were ripping it. HOw many runs did you fit in?

No idea on the amount of runs...lots. I've never bothered to keep track. If there's dirt under my wheels, I'm happy!

[Universe]

Those dirt jumps where there last year. Some of Darren b's other large on hit wonders are also close by.

[cotty9]

Hi everyone.

I am almost always been a lurker on these types of forums but I decided to sign up so I could post on this sweet Mt. Wash thread.

I started riding downhill in early 2005. My (then) wife bought me a used Kona Stinky Primo for my birthday. Since that time I have been getting into riding more and more. I ride with wheeler69. This summer I plan to log many hours up the mtn.

Yesterday was my first day up and it was a pretty good day. Almost half the trails are open now I think and we only ran into a few really bad mud holes. We rode from like noon to 4pm with break and probably got 10 runs in.

Positives: No lift lines, my new fork rules - don't know how I would have survived the day on my old one, trannies on the two bigger wood drops I took were very smooth, chain only came off once, meeting the dudes from Vic and them putting sweet pics up on this thread.

Negatives: I still totally suck at skinnies and berms, we got minimal pics, the blister on my left hand (FROM RIDING), too many long tables with short run-outs and still NO GAP JUMPS, Helter Skelter not open yet, Monster Mile is only Eagle chair trail open and it is slippery.

Hopefully me and The Ferg will make it up for a few runs tonight and we can get some pics and post them here.

It would also be cool to like get some crappy video footage of a complete run and post it on youtube.com or some such. Does anyone know how to do that?

Better get out of here if I plan to ride today.

-=Cotty9=-

[strahan]

^ i've got quite a bit of helmet cam from two years ago, i should try to post it up.

[wheeler]

Hi everyone.

I am almost always been a lurker on these types of forums but I decided to sign up so I could post on this sweet Mt. Wash thread.

I started riding downhill in early 2005. My (then) wife bought me a used Kona Stinky Primo for my birthday. Since that time I have been getting into riding more and more. I ride with wheeler69. This summer I plan to log many hours up the mtn.

Yesterday was my first day up and it was a pretty good day. Almost half the trails are open now I think and we only ran into a few really bad mud holes. We rode from like noon to 4pm with break and probably got 10 runs in.

Positives: No lift lines, my new fork rules - don't know how I would have survived the day on my old one, trannies on the two bigger wood drops I took were very smooth, chain only came off once, meeting the dudes from Vic and them putting sweet pics up on this thread.

Negatives: I still totally suck at skinnies and berms, we got minimal pics, the blister on my left hand (FROM RIDING), too many long tables with short run-outs and still NO GAP JUMPS, Helter Skelter not open yet, Monster Mile is only Eagle chair trail open and it is slippery.

Hopefully me and The Ferg will make it up for a few runs tonight and we can get some pics and post them here.

It would also be cool to like get some crappy video footage of a complete run and post it on youtube.com or some such. Does anyone know how to do that?

Better get out of here if I plan to ride today.

-=Cotty9=-

Were you the guy up there with the sweet beastgear and dresspants belt?

[skifreak]

went up tonight for a few runs - not too bad but really - not much of what I would suggest as trail maintenance or buffed grooming... anyways - the same old poorly designed berms and jumps were all there and one of the berm / boardwalks had a nice broken section to it...

[wheeler]

went up tonight for a few runs - not too bad but really - not much of what I would suggest as trail maintenance or buffed grooming... anyways - the same old poorly designed berms and jumps were all there and one of the berm / boardwalks had a nice broken section to it...

MMT. I rode buy and there was a bunch of boards lying on it with nails poking through. SO buddy cleared them off. I forgot to mention it to the liftys.

[skifreak]

MMT. I rode buy and there was a bunch of boards lying on it with nails poking through. SO buddy cleared them off. I forgot to mention it to the liftys.

what bike were you on last night - saw one guy on a black silver rocky but I thought yours was red?

[wheeler]

I was up on wednesday.

[cotty9]

Yeah he was not up last night. I was up on my black Kona. There weren't that many people up Thursday evening. I saw a couple younger guys airing it out nailing the tranny on the super long table at the very bottom of Big Brother. A guy who was probably their dad was snapping pics of them. Then a saw 2 french dudes riding with the guy who owns the Fireplace and his buddy. There was a family up there too and Emily bailed right by the lift. She had full body gear but no gloves. Oops.

I dicked around a lot because I had no one to ride with. I tried the long skinny on MMT a bunch of times to no avail. Confirming, MMT wood birm was still not repaired.I did the drop on wizard with the skinny ramp. I bailed at exactly the same spot on Monster Mile for the 2nd time in 2 days.

Solo mission so no photos no video. I think I only got 5-6 runs in but it was worth the fuel cost.

-=Cotty=-

[wheeler]

MAde it up tonight (friday) got up around 4pm and had time for 9 runs including 2 back to back trips up the blue for monster mile. ANd stopping for fries and a beer at fat teddy's.

There was a crazy amount of horseflies up there. Whenever you stopped they were all over you.
IT didn't feel nearly as hot up there as it was in town either. IT's drying out super fast up there and seems like the trail crew is working hard trying to fix problem spots. They should have a suggestion/trail report box up there so you can let them know what you would like to see or what you think needs work. That would be cool.

ALso looking forward to the kokanee thursdays downhill race series, ( i original heard it was lucky but whatever)
http://www.mountwashington.ca/summer/default.cfm?page=event_details&eventID=795
5$ gets you in and gets you a tasty beverage courtesy of kokanee. The catch is after you finish the race the clock doesnt stop until your done drinking you beer at the finish line. Thanks to dodge city cycles for this one. SHould be fun.
I have some pics from today that I'll post up tomrorow.

[skifreak]

Yeah he was not up last night. I was up on my black Kona.

Blue / white giro helmet?

I was on the Super 8 with Monsters and the Race Face jersey / oakley shorts - was ahead of you a few times on the lift I think.

[Kipp12]

I wanna head to wahington to check it out but ill probably wait a while till the slopestyle and jumps are done, hopefully things shape up and the trails get some attention, but does any one know where they are building this "slopestyle" park?

[wheeler]

cotty rides a black 01 stinky primo with black 888's, black helmet, black dress shorts with a fancy black belt and beast gear upper body armor. You can usually hear him coming from a mile away.

[wheeler]

I wanna head to wahington to check it out but ill probably wait a while till the slopestyle and jumps are done, hopefully things shape up and the trails get some attention, but does any one know where they are building this "slopestyle" park?

I hear lots of talk about a slopetyle course but have heard nothing official. Anyone have any info?

[Madman]

I remeber VPS fest last year... I hope they plan to maintain the trails a little better this season. I think the reason why the lift passes are so much is because there isnt exactly a ton of riders going up in the summer, I spent a whole weekend there last year and saw maybe 8 other people riding throught the whole weekend, which happends to be my favorite part about Mt.Washington in the summer, No waiting for lifts. The only time ive ever seen a line with more than 5 people for the lift was during VPS fest...even then it was maybe 10 people waiting for the hawk chair, I dont ever remeber waiting in line for the Blue lift in the summer.

[myster chron]

goin up there today to chek it out, ill report back, say hi if u see the sooke jersey's

[emeraldeyes_bc]

went up yesterday it was a lot of fun :) pretty much my first ride since i hurt myself and I am finding it really hard to get back into it :(
big brother was really bumpy as usual, but all the trails were dry. wizard is still my favorite I think. everything was open on the hawk except the top of helter skelter. good times :)

[Kroegs]

I was up today and was kind of disappointed. Its not like it wasnt fun and its still a lot cheaper than whistler but after being in whistler last week, its pretty clear that mt washinton needs a lot of maintenance. They need to work on getting all the trails cleaned up and the broken woodwork fixed before they start building new stuff. You would think after the awesome winter they had, they could put a bit more into getting the bike park to a bit higher standard.

[wheeler]

I was up today (sunday) had a pretty fun day. got 9 runs in before i had a sweet endo power bail onto my head and back on wizard.
Sore left forearm, shoulder knee, right calf totally swollen, and road rashed lower back adn i think my left middle toe is sprained. I dont even know how i did it, just all of the sudden i was ejected at full speed into a bed of rocks. Thanks to my fullface helmet I'm still pretty. That ended my day.

My and my buds sat at the newly licensed courtyard area. It was pretty sweet being able to get beer and food and still watch our bikes. The only problem was that there was some really really bad music. SOme weird tibetan hippy band was playing in the courtyard and i think it was chasing more people away than it was attracting.

IT was pretty busy up there though, busiest I've seen so far.

[2bit]

I was so close to going today, but the heat chased me away. My buds were up there though, hear they had a good time.

[myster chron]

ok. that was one fuckin wiiiiiiiiindy day today.kept the jumping trails contained anyways. so i cant comment to much on those. perfect day tho, not to busy, no mechanicals, not even a flat... proally got 10-12 runs in taking er easy.. not in park shape yet.

here are my suggestions that im gonna email them.
-the berms.... extened the exiting side longer and taller. as they r now they totlay dont work to potential
-the wood work make the ladders actualy crossing ditches and lips to tranny alot wider.. like make it suit the speed u can b carrying. saw 2 people jsut loose it of the side of the same ladder within 15 minutes today.
please stop making attempts at bermed wooden walls where they dont need to b and if they need to b there make them bigger and have more concave.. not like just one pinner lenght of wood.

other than that its jsut minor shit... those r my 3 biggest concerns with the place

[Madman]

Yay!

http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Mount-Washington-Canada-Cup-2006.html

[cotty9]

We waited in line once in a while last year on the weekends. Didn't we? I am sure we did.

-=Cotty=-

[Cvripper]

i was down in parsville riding at jordies the other day and he was telling me him and darren are building the slopstyle it will be located on the green chair and hopfully done in a couple weeks

[Kipp12]

^^^^
sick, im goin up there as soon as its ready to ride, and rip big bro and wizard.

[Madman]

I cant wait to go up, I would do go up this weekend but im doing some volenteer trail work down here. I dont think the bumps will bother me much this season..

04 season: hardtail, 4" fork, Must I say anymore?
05 season: 2003 Jr.T, 2003 FOX Vanilla R (Not even pro pedal)
This season: 2002 Shiver, 2004 Avalanche DHS w/ remote compression adjust..

[Universe]

i was down in parsville riding at jordies the other day and he was telling me him and darren are building the slopstyle it will be located on the green chair and hopfully done in a couple weeks

A couple weeks?

[Fluid]

I've never been to Mt. Washington before but hope to go soon.
They no longer have directions on their website on how to get there.

Can anyone provide directions, which ferry to take (is it from Tsawwassen or Horseshoe Bay?), and how long of a drive to and from the ferry terminal to get to the Mountain?

Is it possible to go there just for a day trip from Vancouver and have enough time to get in enough runs?

[myster chron]

I've never been to Mt. Washington before but hope to go soon.
They no longer have directions on their website on how to get there.

Can anyone provide directions, which ferry to take (is it from Tsawwassen or Horseshoe Bay?), and how long of a drive to and from the ferry terminal to get to the Mountain?

Is it possible to go there just for a day trip from Vancouver and have enough time to get in enough runs?

go horshoe bay to nanimo. from nanimo get on the highway and drive up for an hr hr and a half till u see strathcona parkway. hit that and follow it all the way to the top of the mtn. i believe its exit 130 of the highway.

if u hit the first ferry u should b at the lifts before they r open? open at 11 close at 7 30... so u should get mucho runs in and make last ferry back

[skifreak]

http://www.mountwashington.ca/resort_info/default.cfm?page=general_info

that has links for directions...

it's a long day if you do the ferry over and back the same day - do a two day trip come saturday ride the mountain and then stay in Cumberland at the Riding Fool. Ride the cumberland trails on the sunday and then cruise back over on an afternoon ferry - summer time you might want to make a reservation for the ferry as it can get over filled.

Also the duke point to tsawassen ferry has earlier and later sailings if you want to extend the day.

[wheeler]

We waited in line once in a while last year on the weekends. Didn't we? I am sure we did.

-=Cotty=-

Yeah i meant busiest i have seen this year.

[wheeler]

i was down in parsville riding at jordies the other day and he was telling me him and darren are building the slopstyle it will be located on the green chair and hopfully done in a couple weeks

I cant beleive it will be a couple weeks. I looked at the green chair and all it is is a couple of large piles of dirt. And I am assuming the jordie and darren will be busy with crankworx this week. WHich gives them 1 week to git'r done.

[Cvripper]

ya i noticed it was just piles today...maybe he ment a couple weeks after they get back

[strahan]

We were back up there on Saturday, it was super hot but still good times.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h154/mega_destroyer/washington/heat.jpg

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h154/mega_destroyer/washington/lucky.jpg

we really bought into the comox valley lifestyle!
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h154/mega_destroyer/washington/collar.jpg

[Kipp12]

ya, thats probly more like cumberland style, but i guess the whole valley gets in on that too.:fu:

[wheeler]

ya, thats probly more like cumberland style, but i guess the whole valley gets in on that too.:fu:

No cumberland style it would have a hole in the bottom and be squished on the ground.


ANyways i was surfin around the washington site and i found this.

THE BEARCLAW INVITATIONAL

Event Type: Mountain Biking

Date & time: Sep 2 @

What's happening?
"I'm inviting 20 to 30 of the world's best freeriders," says Berrecloth. "There's no doubt in my mind that all of the spectators will be blown away by this contest. The Bearclaw Invitational is the first Slopestyle built by riders, for riders. It's also nice to be able to pull this event off where I grew up riding."

Darren Berrecloth, who is better known around the industry as Bearclaw, is considered one of the leaders in the world of freeride mountain biking. Consistently raising the bar at each comp he enters, Bearclaw has helped set the new standard for freeriders around the globe.

More information to come!

[Cvripper]

haha ya jordies was talkin about that to they were also gunna anme it "clawworks" hahaha

[emeraldeyes_bc]

anyone not lucky enough to get to crankworx gonna be heading up this weekend?

[myster chron]

canada cup on sunday.. my friends and i 'll b there more than likely. duno bout saturday tho

[Cvripper]

ill be their sunday photoging the race

[emeraldeyes_bc]

i'm trying to convince my buddy jonny to go if I can I will be going up sat :)
I have to work 6am sunday :( so can't get up to the race :(

[wheeler]

Was up on thursday, it's nice and dry now except for a deep mudhole on wizard after a long bridge over a marsh.
I cant beleive helter skelter still isnt open how much work can it need?

I had another sweet bail on wizard, my buddy washed out in a berm and totally ate it so i powered past him and did the exact same thing in the next berm it sucked.

The canada cup race is this weekend so there was alot of dudes cruising around in the full on spandex xc gear, which is a weird site up there.

I'm going to be going up on sunday with my son and my wife to watch the DH action. MY good friend is goign to be racing in the sport class and is planning a no footer on the last jump before the finish line, so watch for that.

[Cvripper]

probly cya their wheeler, ill be playing my part as the small town photographer, if ya see me say hi, cant tell ya what ill be wearing but ill have a black camera bag one and i got curly hair haha

[myster chron]

sweet looks liek there ll b a bunch a nsmbers up there. ill b up there for when the lifts open tomorow (saturday) either b in the withe sooke shirt or my grey black and red sooke cycle jersey. most lilkly sum sombrio shorts and a blue and white full face. riding miss piggay (banshee scream, triple 8 and hope 4 pots) hope to get sum runs in with sum of u guys.

[bigredpig]

I cant beleive helter skelter still isnt open how much work can it need?

Well this is what it looked like on July 2nd when I saw it...

http://photos.nsmb.com/files/2/0/4/1/1/IMG_1065.JPG

http://photos.nsmb.com/files/2/0/4/1/1/IMG_1066.JPG

Not much actual damage to the ramp... it just took the last board off... but a big ass chunk off log to get off the trail and no way to get a machine near it...

[myster chron]

Well this is what it looked like on July 2nd when I saw it...
Not much actual damage to the ramp... it just took the last board off... but a big ass chunk off log to get off the trail and no way to get a machine near it...

awww shucks,:crybaby: thats like my favourtie put ur shell on type stunt up there. well sum luckys ,a comealong, and a chainsaw should get rid of that sumtime this season:agree:

[cotty9]

When I was riding down MMT I saw a maint. dude (SO HE'S THE ONE) raking in a strange spot so I asked him if he was building a new trail. He said they gave up trying to revive Helter Skelter(see above pic) and changed the route. He said it would be open "soon". I said "like tonight?". He chuckled and said "no, not tonight."

-=Cotty=-

[wheeler]

When I was riding down MMT I saw a maint. dude (SO HE'S THE ONE) raking in a strange spot so I asked him if he was building a new trail. He said they gave up trying to revive Helter Skelter(see above pic) and changed the route. He said it would be open "soon". I said "like tonight?". He chuckled and said "no, not tonight."

-=Cotty=-
Are you goign up on sunday cots? Ferg and danger dwayne are going up today.

[Cvripper]

i think ferg should do his tuck and roll thing over the last jump

[cotty9]

For those not familiar with The Ferg, his tuck and roll is supposed to come right after he looks like this:
http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/783856/

Hope the link worked. Never tried to post a pic b4.

-=Cotty=-

[cotty9]

Attempt #2...

For those not familiar with The Ferg, his tuck and roll is supposed to come right after he looks like this:

http://photos.nsmb.com/showimage.php?i=9722&c=7

Hope the link worked. Never tried to post a pic b4.

-=Cotty=-

[wheeler]

or this
http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/833892/

or
http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/773054/

or
http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/773050/

[cotty9]

No posts last night... Where are you sooke-guy?

Mtn is pure sun as of 8am this morning but questionable weather was in view in every direction earlier this morn. I am going to take my kids up today just for fun. Hopefully we will be there right at 11am - before the inevitable rain.

-=Cotty=-

[cotty9]

Made it up to the race today. The course was wet for the second year in a row. Maybe next year I will sign up just for fun and it will be dry. I got pics of over half the riders. I assume the full race results will be posted somewhere this week.

I am going to try to make it up on Monday or Tuesday. I sure hope Helter Skelter is open and I want to try the race course once it dries up a bit.

-=Cotty=-

[myster chron]

No posts last night... Where are you sooke-guy?

Mtn is pure sun as of 8am this morning but questionable weather was in view in every direction earlier this morn. I am going to take my kids up today just for fun. Hopefully we will be there right at 11am - before the inevitable rain.

-=Cotty=-

lol i was up there already and didnt have no conncetion. twas a sick course tho... saw fergs huge new footer, he was like 1 or 2 after me in the race run. my buddy also from sooke won the 19-35 sport catagory. pretty much pinned it like a fairy. with 2 dismounts he still got 6th overall. i didnt do that great but i had a clean run, just outside of the top 10.
loved the course, every time i head up sumthin on the mtn seems to get better. oh and btw scratch and sniff opened up jsut after the race. god dang is that a fun trail.

seen a buncha yous on saturday and sunday. never bothered to say anything tho.

[Crusher]

The problem with that statement - you're trying to allow a broad range of rider abilities to be on the same trail - it needs a lot more work.

the trail crew just needs to have someone in charge who works from a standard of construction like worca or imba have put together.

controlling runoff, mud accumulation before boardwalks and more is an important part of the whole thing.

The reality of the situation is that the trail crew is responsible for much, much more on the hill than just the trails!!!!!!!!!! You know who the head guys are on the hill and they know who you are, so stop hiding behind your keyboard and make a positive suggestion to the guys who are actually maintaining the trails. I can promise you that you have not done that to date!! If any of you guys want to make constructive criticism, then get in touch with the trail crew directly. The lift hut is where they live!! It is easy to jump on the band wagon. You guys have an oppurtunity to make change. It will be a better spot for everyone, if you want to step up to the plate!!!!!!!!!! Appreciate the feedback!

[Crusher]

Helter skelter is open!! Trails change and evolve, that section is not done because it has been changed!

[Madman]

Cant wait till September 2nd, Slope Style at Mt.Washington...what? whaaaaatttt?? yayyyya!. And! the Pipers music in the mountains on the same weekend.

[emeraldeyes_bc]

whats pipers music in the mountains?

[skifreak]

The reality of the situation is that the trail crew is responsible for much, much more on the hill than just the trails!!!!!!!!!! You know who the head guys are on the hill and they know who you are, so stop hiding behind your keyboard and make a positive suggestion to the guys who are actually maintaining the trails. I can promise you that you have not done that to date!! If any of you guys want to make constructive criticism, then get in touch with the trail crew directly. The lift hut is where they live!! It is easy to jump on the band wagon. You guys have an oppurtunity to make change. It will be a better spot for everyone, if you want to step up to the plate!!!!!!!!!! Appreciate the feedback!

You'll find that over the years there have been a number of us that have provided suggestions - not complaints but suggestions... and unfortunately have fallen on deaf ears. and the ears are those that should be able to make changes. I know it's hard to bring a whole trail crew to somewhere like Whistler in prime season, but there has long been requests for progressive jump options, ride arounds and traffic controls.

The tape and redirection of trails at the bottom of the hawk was a good addition this year.

I think there seems to be thoughts from some of us that a portion of the work that gets done up there is misdirected as it has to be done again and again rather than say - building armoured landings at the ends of ramps - instead of regular dumps of gravel / sand into the soft spots..

There are great resources from IMBA, WORCA, NSMBA and others. design specifications for boardwalks, techniques for water and erosion control and more. The mountain is still young but hopefully some good education will go a long ways.

[Universe]

The reality of the situation is that the trail crew is responsible for much, much more on the hill than just the trails!!!!!!!!!! You know who the head guys are on the hill and they know who you are, so stop hiding behind your keyboard and make a positive suggestion to the guys who are actually maintaining the trails. I can promise you that you have not done that to date!! If any of you guys want to make constructive criticism, then get in touch with the trail crew directly. The lift hut is where they live!! It is easy to jump on the band wagon. You guys have an oppurtunity to make change. It will be a better spot for everyone, if you want to step up to the plate!!!!!!!!!! Appreciate the feedback!

My suggestions and feedback have been completely 100% IGNONRED. I tried to make a change to my lift access hill. I even offered to work for free OR passes, so dont feed me that line of bullshit.

[Crusher]

You're talking to the wrong people!! Have you even been to the lift hut??????

[Crusher]

Time to relax Wheeler the trail crew is totally open to suggestions, and they have never turned down free work, I can promise you that!!! You are talking to the wrong people!! Go to the lifts and ask to talk to the head trail crew guys. The Tread Shed has nothing to do with trail maintenance!!!

[Adam West]

Time to relax Wheeler the trail crew is totally open to suggestions, and they have never turned down free work, I can promise you that!!! You are talking to the wrong people!! Go to the lifts and ask to talk to the head trail crew guys. The Tread Shed has nothing to do with trail maintenance!!!
is your name quinton by any chance?

[Crusher]

not even close

[Crusher]

Time to step up skifreak, its not the past and you definetly haven't talked to anyone this year. New ears are very receptive!!!!!!!!!!!

[DaveM]

You're not going to get far telling 2 people (Skifreak & Universe) that have gone out of their way to try and help and basically got doors slammed in there faces to "step up"

This might be a good time to ask nicely for help.

BTW, anyone riding there tomorrow? I'm going to be in the area and figured I'd check it out.

[Universe]

Time to relax Wheeler the trail crew is totally open to suggestions, and they have never turned down free work, I can promise you that!!! You are talking to the wrong people!! Go to the lifts and ask to talk to the head trail crew guys. The Tread Shed has nothing to do with trail maintenance!!!

Mt Washinton trail crew management made it clear 'he' would rather hire a chick with a fine ass and zero work ethic instead of a hard working trailbuilder with experience. Nothing you say to me is going to make a difference in my opinion of the mountain and its poor management. It is well known around the valley, so stop trying to prove it is any different. I do hope things change or already have changed, but I tried for 2 solid years to offer help and it was turned down. There is no arguing this.

[skifreak]

Time to step up skifreak, its not the past and you definetly haven't talked to anyone this year. New ears are very receptive!!!!!!!!!!!

Wrong again - I came down from my first run on MMT. Was a thursday evening and I found the wooden berm on part of the run was missing some boards. I rode around it fine, went to the bottom and told the first liftee that there were some boards missing on the first wooden section after the trail goes under the lift. Pretty easy to find from that ( and sounds like Wheeler and his bud might have seen it a day or so before )...

3 more runs - one on which I crashed as a dirt berm collapsed under my front wheel (the opposing berm was nicely rock armoured and solid construction) and no sign of anyone working on or marking the dangerous wooden structure. I heard some crew working as there was the Kubota vehicle on the road near the bottom of helter skelter, and a chainsaw running.

The liftee asked if it was changed about 2 runs later and I said - no...

SO - that leads me to think - obviously things haven't changed that much... now that was before I talked to Eric who "should be the right person" and there might have been some changes since then.

But overall if you really "know who I am" you would realize I have been around that mountain for a looooong time.

So don't get your panties in a knot but you might suggest to the trail crew that some riders are not so impressed by the way things have been done before. Prove us wrong with action.

We are the paying public - you are the "Trail Crew". You shouldn't have to rely on our finding you in the lift hut to tell you what are priorities and what are hazards above and beyond what we should accept.

How many years have you worked there btw? I was involved with the mountain over approximately 15 years.

[Universe]

But overall if you really "know who I am" you would realize I have been around that mountain for a looooong time.


This is a vast understatement.

[Crusher]

There Is Only One Way To Make Things Better And That Is To Work With The Hill And Not Against Them!! Keep Trying, It Will Work!!!

[skifreak]

oh yeah - if you read the posts back around #50 you'll see that Wheeler saw the broken boards on the wednesday, I was up thursday evening.

In that day and a bit when only MMT and Big brother were open, you are saying your trail crew didn't see the broken structure? But It was early in the season...

[skifreak]

If you are interested Crusher - I'm planning on coming up tonight to ride with the kids - if you're going to be there I'd be happy to offer a list of suggestions. I'd be more than happy if even a few of them would be taken care of.

[skifreak]

There Is Only One Way To Make Things Better And That Is To Work With The Hill And Not Against Them!! Keep Trying, It Will Work!!!


I have to admit - you have a lot more interest and desire than I've run into in the past.

[Crusher]

If Any Of You Want To Help Then Contact The Slopes Supervisor Or The Operations Manager. They Are Very Good Guys And Are Receptive To Feedback.

[skifreak]

If Any Of You Want To Help Then Contact The Slopes Supervisor Or The Operations Manager. They Are Very Good Guys And Are Receptive To Feedback.

If you read back - we have done in the past... I do know that Eric has taken a strong interest this year which hopefully is a good part of the "new ways"

[Crusher]

What Time Will You Be THere

[skifreak]

What Time Will You Be THere

Check your Private messages - (*click the link in the upper grey bar that says PM box)

[Universe]

If Any Of You Want To Help Then Contact The Slopes Supervisor Or The Operations Manager. They Are Very Good Guys And Are Receptive To Feedback.

Instead of telling me I have been 'hiding behind my keyboard' you should be begging me to come help and talking to your manager about the past, and why nobody was taken up on help. If you did that you would be on the right track.

[jpi]

This thread is exactly part of the reason I moved away from Courtenay.
I love snowboarding and Mt. Biking, and Mt. Washed is not evolving fast enough.

[skifreak]

Was up last night and I have to say - the trail crew is on the right track - not perfect yet, but a number of things I was expecting to run into were corrected.

MMT was groomed a bit making it safer and smoother

big brother was in decent shape although ride arounds will provide more safety

the new sections on helter skelter are ok - decent workmanship, but I do miss the two steep sections that were taken out in the process, and a couple of the corners seemed too sharp to carry enough speed to use them as berms...

overall I give it a B- with good effort

[Universe]

Good to hear.

[wheeler]

Was up on thursday for the lucky DH race. I popped my race cherry. Came dead last out of about 15 people. It was cool. Super fun too.
The race was on monster mile and i cant usually run the whole trail without stopping to rest my hands cause they get so tired, but in the race the adrenaline takes over and you cant feel shit. All's you feel is GO GO GO.
MY chain fell off and got jammed in between my tire and swing arm so i couldnt pedal for most of it i jsut let gravity take it's course.

THe next race, next thurday, will be on wizard. All you islanders should come out. There were more prizes than riders last time.

[Adam West]

Was up on thursday for the lucky DH race. I popped my race cherry. Came dead last out of about 15 people. It was cool. Super fun too.
The race was on monster mile and i cant usually run the whole trail without stopping to rest my hands cause they get so tired, but in the race the adrenaline takes over and you cant feel shit. All's you feel is GO GO GO.
MY chain fell off and got jammed in between my tire and swing arm so i couldnt pedal for most of it i jsut let gravity take it's course.

THe next race, next thurday, will be on wizard. All you islanders should come out. There were more prizes than riders last time.
fuck i might have to make that trip.

[cotty9]

Anyone up lately? I haven't been up since my weak inaugural race attempt on Thursday evening. Now that I have a bit of time to get up they are back to the SUPER LAME close time of 4pm for Mon, Tues, Wed. That is more annoying to me than the questionable trail prep we put up with in July. Trail work has really improved in August; just if the weekday hours would follow suit...

Hopefully I can sneak up to ride Wizard etc. on Wednesday.

-=Cotty=-

[skifreak]

waiting on a repair for my rear shock then I'll be back up - probably in a week.

[Scoobydoo]

I hit washington today.
weather was excellent and the mountain was dry.

Its the first time this year I've been up there and I think I figured something out.
Washington doesn't want to do any real trail maintence because it slows people down and less likely for liability issues, IMO.

the runs I hit up there don't look like anyone has down anything with them. Not grooming, not filling in holes...nothing. Some of the stunts have fallen apart and just pushed to the side or left there. It looks like yrs of riding with no maintenance.

There is suppose to be this Slope style competition at the beginning of Sept there..where is it going to be held? I didn't see any work or clearing for it.

Yes washington needs lots of work done and its costs money, but they at at least do a little each year and slowly it will be a nice mountain to ride and attract riders. We no maintenance, I think they will slowly drive riders away.

Driving 2 1/2hr from victoria to ride the mountain that beats the crap out of you...I'm better off riding in Cumberland or Port and I bet I would have a better time.

[bigredpig]

I hit washington today.
weather was excellent and the mountain was dry.

Its the first time this year I've been up there and I think I figured something out.
Washington doesn't want to do any real trail maintence because it slows people down and less likely for liability issues, IMO.

the runs I hit up there don't look like anyone has down anything with them. Not grooming, not filling in holes...nothing. Some of the stunts have fallen apart and just pushed to the side or left there. It looks like yrs of riding with no maintenance.

There is suppose to be this Slope style competition at the beginning of Sept there..where is it going to be held? I didn't see any work or clearing for it.

Yes washington needs lots of work done and its costs money, but they at at least do a little each year and slowly it will be a nice mountain to ride and attract riders. We no maintenance, I think they will slowly drive riders away.

Driving 2 1/2hr from victoria to ride the mountain that beats the crap out of you...I'm better off riding in Cumberland or Port and I bet I would have a better time.

Scooby, Scooby, Scooby... sigh.

All those that have been to Whistler... don't go to Washington and expect it to compare.

It is what it is...

The Mt Washington crew have only started work at the beginning of July... are you expecting miracles?

Broken structures? Yeah, they got run over by their groomers or crushed by snow...

I rode there yesterday, and to be honest, I enjoyed myself. I saw a lot of work done compared to what I last saw last year. Some work HAS been done, smoothing some runs, a few reroutes done and frankly some dumb stuff removed.

Could more be done, sure. I pointed out a maint issue that has been there for two years and still not fixed (that i have seen two people crash on...).

Did I get 6 or 7 hours of lift accessed riding in? Yes.

Was it worth it more than a trip to Cumberland? YES.

If Mt Washington didn't live up to your expectations... maybe they're too high?

Seriously, all these people complaining... it's a little tired... Did you get a full day of riding in? Is there enough terrain there to challenge and entertain? Both were a yes for me so the cost was defintiely worth it for me.

Oh, and NO lift lines either... (To be honest with you, I can't believe they run the park for the amount of traffic they get... )

It's not Whistler, it never will be, enjoy it for what it is...

[strahan]

Sorry to hear that you didnt have a good time up there scoob-dawg. I'm interested to hear which trails you rode, because I spent all day on MMT, big brother, wizard, and found lots of maintenance had been done compared to 2005.

As BRP stated, it's definitely *not* whistler, for both positive and negative points.

[Adam West]

Sorry to hear that you didnt have a good time up there scoob-dawg. I'm interested to hear which trails you rode, because I spent all day on MMT, big brother, wizard, and found lots of maintenance had been done compared to 2005.

As BRP stated, it's definitely *not* whistler, for both positive and negative points.
for us island folk its good but i dont see anyone comign from the mainland to ride it.
for me washington is more fun cause its cheaper.

[Adam West]

not cheaper, local.

[Scoobydoo]

I've been coming up to Washington for over 6 yrs now. I started going up there on my rocky mountain element with v-brakes doing no more than 4 runs in a day and I had found.

2 yrs ago they openned up the other side of the mountian, add more trails and I was pumped to see them putting money into the runs and out there building and maintaining them, that was one of the best years they had up there. Runs were great but you can at least see them trying to make thing better.

Yes that winter it sucked and the $$ didn't come in, but last year was a good year, so why wait until July to start grooming the run. I finally understand Universe frustration with that mountain.

[DaveM]

for us island folk its good but i dont see anyone comign from the mainland to ride it.
for me washington is more fun cause its cheaper.

That's funny, I rode Washington on Friday and every time I rode the lift with someone they were from the mainland. I only rode up once with a local, he was getting in a few runs before starting work in the restaurant.

I liked Washington. I'm not much for jump/berm trails but I really liked Helter Skelter, Monster Mile, ScratchnSniff, and Hidden Alley. The top part of Hidden Alley doesn't look like it's been ridden in years, but it's nice steep, rooty rocky trail with a smattering of steep stunts. I remember liking Blue Veiner in the past too, but it was closed off. I surprised to still see a patch of snow near the top.

I gotta say though, some of the woodwork, while being sturdy and well built, reminds me of when some kid from from somewhere in the US midwest posts up pictures of his "Shore". Too much dimensional lumber with roofing paper stapled to it. It's pretty ugly.

There were trail crews all over the mountain working. Seems like a good step in the right direction.

[Scryder]

i sorta wanna ride there but not even that much

[bigredpig]

i sorta wanna ride there but not even that much

What about Sept 2? You gonna ride then? :P

[Cvripper]

yeyay ryder some shred our gnarly mountain we can go on a photo shoot (Y)

[cotty9]

All 4 members of Team J.A. Custom made it up for the race on Thursday night. We posted two pretty decent times and two weak times. My race and night of riding was the sweetest because I had a couple crashes, couldn't keep my feet on my crappy old pedals, hit wheel-to-wheel with a girl who shouldn't have been on the trail and then flatted right after the race and had to push my bike up to the lodge. Top that.

Trail work in August has been awesome compared to July. SNS is sweet and the top of Helter Skelter is so much fun. Several of the berms have been smoothed out but some are still too low and rocky.

I have given up on finding good jumps so I this week I want to start building some of my own. A friend of mine has some property near Cumberland and access to excavators etc. Anyone have any tips on the best way to start. The property is pretty flat so I assume we need to build an approach ramp first so we can get some speed. Then build 2-3 tables, hit them about 100 times, and then nuke the middle of them out so they look cool. Then ummm well I will actually be happy if I get that far.

-=Cotty=-

[Cvripper]

^^ well if you want any help digging(and riding them) ill be glad to help i know thing or to about building jumps, me and dan (from DCC) and a couple people ar going to to fencing of the cumberland jumps to keep out the motor vechicles then rebuilding them maybe have a little jump jam, but this wont be till spring when the dirt moisens up

[Adam West]

ill be there for vps fest probably even the friday before it. so 18th-20th anybody else goin?

[cotty9]

I will be in Whistler with Team J.A. Custom on Aug. 18 and at VPS fest Aug. 20.

-=Cotty=-

[wheeler]

I will be at VPS fest Aug. 20.

-=Cotty=-

Or nursing a mean hangover from given'r at jimmys wedding on the 19th.

Team JA was in full effect last thursday at the lucky race. I posted a horrible 3:08 on wizard. I think the guy that won got 2:12 or something like that.maybe i should disconnect my brakes before round 3.
Word must have gotten out about the free shwag cause there was alot more racers last week than the week before.
I still came out with a free t-shirt. Everyone I was up with got a prize.

[cotty9]

Posts have dried up again. Somebody must be up there. The Ferg was up there all weekend but he is a non-poster.

I wanted to go up Monday but got totally screwed over twice and didn't even come close to making it up. My relatives rented bikes and did the Finger Trail. All the way from Victoria to pay for bikes and lift pass to do the XC trail in the hot sun. And I was not there to put a stop to it. That is wrong. Do they really charge you for a full day pass if you go up the hawk, ride the finger, and then pack it in. That is beyond wrong. That is criminal.

Anyhow, pretty much all our bikes are going to be in the shop Wednesday so no riding that day. Race on Washington Thursday night. Whister Friday morning. THAT RULES.

-=Cotty=-

[cotty9]

Posts have dried up again. Somebody must be up there. The Ferg was up there all weekend but he is a non-poster.

I wanted to go up Monday but got totally screwed over twice and didn't even come close to making it up. My relatives rented bikes and did the Finger Trail. All the way from Victoria to pay for bikes and lift pass to do the XC trail in the hot sun. And I was not there to put a stop to it. That is wrong. Do they really charge you for a full day pass if you go up the hawk, ride the finger, and then pack it in. That is beyond wrong. That is criminal.

Anyhow, pretty much all our bikes are going to be in the shop Wednesday so no riding that day. Race on Washington Thursday night. Whister Friday morning. THAT RULES.

-=Cotty=-

[cotty9]

Holy crap. My computer just totally lagged and then posted my message like 5 times. THAT SUCKS.

-=Cotty=-

[Adam West]

i only count 3
and yes riding finger is a crime.

[Universe]

i only count 3
and yes riding finger is a crime.

The 'real' finger, is from another valley trail.

[Adam West]

The 'real' finger, is from another valley trail.
forbidden plateu or cumby?

[Shrew]

I'll be there saturday:|

[emeraldeyes_bc]

i'll be there sat and sunday :) third year in a row to go to VPS fest :D.......hopefully i will be able to ride this year

[bcbud]

My roomie has an Aline so we are coming to the Island, I get to ride the Monster Mile a week before the race, gonna be a nice weekend too....

[strahan]

I'll be there saturday:|

and the shuttle driver sunday right? :heart:

[Cvripper]

soo darrens got hom from nurenburge last week and is off the snowshoe today, has be been up their at all? ill be up tommorow friday and possibly saturday for a few hours (gotta work at 4)

[skifreak]

just waiting for my avy to return from the shop - damn usps tracking only updates each day...

if so I'll be up riding all of it, otherwise I'll be up riding the hard tail on the xc course :(

[skifreak]

soo darrens got hom from nurenburge last week and is off the snowshoe today, has be been up their at all? ill be up tommorow friday and possibly saturday for a few hours (gotta work at 4)

doubt it... and I don't think they have enough dirt still.

[Cvripper]

^^ ya they gotta get their shit together september 2nd is approching fast

[jro]

I will be up there on Sat and I just moved to Island and haven't really been able to ride yet and I need some friends. I live in Campbell river and will be moving to Nanaimo in Nov or Dec so if you want to go for a ride or want a 30 year old tagging along on a ride let me know. I will be on an orange SIX so say hi.

Johnnyrox

[wheeler]

I was gonna go up for the lucky thursday race but I opted out, so i can spend some time at home.
I'll be riding all day tomorrow at whistler anyways. So pumped

[Adam West]

alright ill be there today and tomorrow for sure if you see a skinny kid with a red helmet with a dangerboy sticker on it on a 05 4by say hi.

[skifreak]

No joy for me - f#!%&ing Canada Post / Customs / USPS are taking 3 days already to clear my avy shock after being returned from repairs!

Next time anyone does service with Avy - try to get Craig to ship it Fedex - they're always getting it through on time.

[skifreak]

busy times up there today - heard 750 riders today - also heard the builder who setup the Adidas slopestyle in Austria is building the Bearclaw invitational.... should be starting monday - figures 6 days to build it... and then a few more for buffing it in.

oh yeah - and a pretty nice run of the regular riders - 20 or so pros and possibly some locals...

[GeoffG]

I was up at Mt. Washington. However, I was not there to ride. We stayed up for the night and hit skateparks all day. Much better than riding a mountain filled with Norco riders:lol:.

[roasterthetoaster]

busy times up there today - heard 750 riders today - also heard the builder who setup the Adidas slopestyle in Austria is building the Bearclaw invitational.... should be starting monday - figures 6 days to build it... and then a few more for buffing it in.

oh yeah - and a pretty nice run of the regular riders - 20 or so pros and possibly some locals...


I was up there yesterday it was packed. We did 12 to 15 runs, the trails were in pretty rought shape and were kinda tough on a hardtail.

The builder that built the Adidas slopestyle in Austria was Riley MacIntosh, I believe. However; 6 days seems like a very short amount of time to built a slopestyle course and have it dialed in.

[skifreak]

However; 6 days seems like a very short amount of time to built a slopestyle course and have it dialed in.

6 days to build and then another week to buff it in

[skifreak]

just in - the builder is Jim Deas... not riley.

[cotty9]

Rode Whister on Friday and it the sheer amount of riding up there is unimaginable. Freight Train -> Dirt Merchant -> A-Line is paradise to anyone who likes to air it out. I still managed to screw up lots of them it was still a blast nail hit after hit after hit. I really hope I can get up one day in September with someone who rides knows the terrain. I did not come across any wood stuff like Seymour but apparently it is up there somewhere. Near the end of the day I made my first attempt at a double black called Rock City. I did a huge endo and face planted in the rock. Thank goodness for full face helmets. I cracked my visor.

I was up Washington on Sunday afternoon with 3 friends from the lower mainland. Before I met up with them I was on the lift with a guy (06 Team DH) and his girl. He told me they live in Van and ride Whistler primarily and said that it was a treat to get away from the madness and ride Mt. Wash. And then my buddy said pretty much the same thing. I guess Whistler is like Christmas, it is so much fun but it would be lame if you did it every day.

I said hi to emerald_eyes today. She was totally bummed at the time because her bike was in the shop but I saw her riding later which was good.

We rode the hawk all afternoon and it was fun. We almost did the whole tour including Wizard X 2. They liked Wizard. We didn't ride lower HS or Hustler but covered the rest.

I did the wood drop that is closest to the bottom of the Hawk. It was fun but I landed a bit hard. I bottomed out my 888 so then I cranked up my compression knob. I want to hit it again now and see if I still bottom out.

-=Cotty=-

[wheeler]

I was pretty stoked that i didnt get passed on A-line. IT was super fun. It was like christmas. It was so surreal being there, after only seeing it on tv and videos being there was weird.

It totally ruled except for when i got stuck on easy does it some how. That was a waste of a run.

[emeraldeyes_bc]

.

I said hi to emerald_eyes today. She was totally bummed at the time because her bike was in the shop but I saw her riding later which was good.



-=Cotty=-
that was you was it :) i never got your name :P ......did you fill in the survey how i said??? :)

I had a pretty good time. I seem to have really bad luck when it comes to riding at vps fest though. sat i waited around for 3 hours while they installed tires on my bike that still aren't right, but they gave up.....I really didn't mind though i was so hung over running on 2 hours sleep. I ended up the Bomber Girl for most of the day. I did end up getting 6 runs in though not to bad for a hang over :P
then today (sunday) I brought a bunch of friends up that had never been riding, and after all the trouble we went through to get there, there was no rental bikes left. we finally managed to get some at 3 and i spent the rest of the day being an instructor that was kinda fun.
I didn't get to the party this year cause i had to get home for the night, but i was told it was pretty good other than being a total sausage fest (i got shit for that....like it's my fault they can't get girls) but i'm told that they crashed a wedding trying to recruit girls and were kicked out pretty fast with no luck :P .......
and i have to say that the guy that won the DH had better plan a trip to vegas really soon. He was also the guy that won the Kokanee trip to crankworx 5 days like a king with everything paid for rentals, lifts, vip into everything, spending money, travel expense...etc etc etc. He now walks away from VPS fest with a $2600 bike frame!

[Shrew]

That was fun, forbidden plateua on sunday was even radder!

[myster chron]

yeah twas aight.. what i dont get is y the factory support truck left saturday or early sunday... fuckin bullshit. blew my "loaner" on the last run of the day on saturday. they were jsut in the process of packing up but pretty much gave me the politest fuck off they could. stripped out my crank bolt too... muck fuck.
so i spent sunday volunteering sum time on monster mile and the new connecter. almost got eaten by the bear lol.
if anybody knows simon, pls tell him i brought his saw to the lifty hut and theyknow its his. thnxs

[cotty9]

Last line on my survey: MORE SHIRTLESS LADIES! (Angie got a kick out of it)

Whistler ran out of bikes on Friday and Washington ran out on Sunday. What's up with that?

I was also disappointed that there were 0 factory trucks onsite on Sunday. I was coming home from Whistler / attending a wedding on Saturday so I was screwed.

Are you talking about young Simon or older Simon?

-=Cotty=-

[cotty9]

What would you do? (Feel free to move this post)

You are on your first run ever on Whistler and you are totally stoked. You are with 5 friends so there is 6 riders in total. First run and 5 of you stop but one guy keeps going. Then you 5 head out to find your missing friend and the person now leading is someone that never leads your group. You are riding 2nd now. You come to a small clearing and you see your missing friend off to the left in the pullout, just as you look at him and yell "hey buddy", you hammer the bottom of your fork into the leaders brake rotor doing serious damage.

Total bill for new rotor and pads, labour, and tax is $130.

How much do you give the person your rearended?
a) $0 Sorry dude but when you lead you never stop in the middle of the trail with no warning.
b) $60 I should have been looking ahead but if you want to know why you only got 60 refer to a) above
c) $130 I live my life by ICBC rules.
d) Other

Comments?

-=Cotty=-

[Adam West]

a rotor and pads cost 130? holly fuck.


the kid not winning the fork was priceless.

[Madman]

I was at VPS fest, got 15+ runs in, I was laughing my way down the trails while the majority of the people were waiting at the hawk lift, the eagle was pretty much empty which is weird. Scratch'n'sniff was my favorite, I hit the new drop under the Hawk aswell, bottomed my fork pretty harsh on that one. I took a beating on Monster mile + Scratch'n'sniff but a couple of runs on MMT and my knees were feeling better, that trail is nice and smooth. My bike had no problems, didnt even drop my chain! and I must say the Nevegals are amazing in the dry, no traction problems what so ever running at 25-30 psi but the mesh on some of the stunts really eats them up. I got a DT Swiss shirt and a shit load of free shwag after most people left. Im still laughing about the kid that got screwed out of the 66vf2, Jay took it away after the kid said he rides a Rocky.

Anyone else see Darren B. rippin around on his Baby blue demo 9? Not sure if it was him or not?

[myster chron]

young simon i believe he couldnt b much older than 30.. sorry if im wrong but hes about 510 blond hair glasses, rides a slick red devinci or transition/ one of those designs(either grand mal or bottle rocket, or flat 8) races a bunch of the island cups ect.

im talkin this guy
http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/851228

oh yea that is gonna b one awsome new section for the dh course. congrats to who ever scouted that

[emeraldeyes_bc]

.

Anyone else see Darren B. rippin around on his Baby blue demo 9? Not sure if it was him or not?

i'm gonna guess that it wasn't Darren since he doesn't fly in until tonight??

[cotty9]

Red Devinci 8 flat 8 is young Simon. Like not old enough to drink beer yet Simon. Older Simon is my age and now rides a Green Santa Cruz with a 10 inch Boxxer up front.

-=Cotty=-

[myster chron]

hmm yeah, young simon tis then.. i duno him that well personaly. just see him aorund every once in a while. fuck sumone shoulda told me that he's not of beer age yet. lol i always thought that he is older than me...

edit is he on the board?

[strahan]

That was fun, forbidden plateua on sunday was even radder!

Sick trip, in the top four this year for sure!

signed,
your tire change champion.

[cotty9]

Simon is young but he sure can ride. I will bug him to get on this board next time I see him riding.

How many times did you guys shuttle Forbidden on Sunday. I am assuming at least twice so you could do Jake the Snake at least once and then start one ride on Two Sheiks and the other on Rudy's Revenge. But maybe you shuttled again and did some crazy stuff I have never done like Red Rotors or ????

-=Cotty=-

[skifreak]

Red Devinci 8 flat 8 is young Simon. Like not old enough to drink beer yet Simon. Older Simon is my age and now rides a Green Santa Cruz with a 10 inch Boxxer up front.

-=Cotty=-


That's Simon Stevenson. I'm pretty sure.

[Adam West]

Sick trip, in the top four this year for sure!

signed,
your tire change champion.
you won that kayak race thats for sure.

[jpi]

That's Simon Stevenson. I'm pretty sure.

Pretty sure Simon Stevenson is not riding a green santa cruz. He's a good buddy O' mine.

[strahan]

you won that kayak race thats for sure.

I think I rattled my competition when I called dibs on the tire that the previous two people had been unable to dismount...

[counterpoint]

actually jer, simon does have a v10 now. He bought it off one of the pinkbike guys.

[Kipp12]

Red Devinci 8 flat 8 is young Simon. Like not old enough to drink beer yet Simon. Older Simon is my age and now rides a Green Santa Cruz with a 10 inch Boxxer up front.

-=Cotty=-

Dont forget his wicked Giant ACID!!!

[bigredpig]

I think I rattled my competition when I called dibs on the tire that the previous two people had been unable to dismount...

I wasn't rattled... I KNEW I didn't have a chance against you two sandbaggers. I only went in because I had to kill time while my pack went up the hill to deliver beers with my credit card that I needed to pay for lunch. Dumb idea though... who knew a tire change race was so tiring?

[cotty9]

So none of you dudes want to talk about rearending your buddy for $130.

-=Cotty=-

PS. Holy did that line ever come out wrong. Oh well.

[Universe]

actually jer, simon does have a v10 now. He bought it off one of the pinkbike guys.

Yes but where did he get a 10 inch boxxer?

[myster chron]

well imho.... shit happens lucky nobody got hurt. id maybe feel inclined to offer up some beer money and maybe sum spare parts i got kickin around if it was totaly avoidable and my fault i rear ended buddy. if he coulda found a better place to stop he'd b lucky if he got beer money from me

[bcbud]

Went to the VPS Fest with my roomie and a friend on ALines, and I must say that the whole time was a blast. I don't care what they say MT Washington has some quality trails, Magical Mystery Tour was my favorite, smooth wood and rough corners, mmmmm.......

[cotty9]

For those of you keeping score, so far the score is rearender 1 and dude that never ever leads our group down the hill who stopped right in front of the rearender 0.

Re: Simon: I said "whoa that fork looks big" and he said "ya it's ten inches"; but I don't know where he found it. I heard he built the bike from scratch in Mission late Friday / early Saturday for the Bear Mountain BC Cup race. Apparently that weekend the podium went Cove Cove Cove and the runner up was Cove.

-=Cotty=-

[bigredpig]

So none of you dudes want to talk about rearending your buddy for $130.

-=Cotty=-

PS. Holy did that line ever come out wrong. Oh well.

Did it happen at Mt Washington?

Cuz I am not sure how it is relevant to this topic and maybe that's why you haven't got any feedback.

Maybe you shold rear end yer buddy in another thread... try the Whistler Forum, maybe start a survey to see how many other rider's have rear ended their buddies and what happend after...

[wheeler]

I witnessed the rearender, I'll post a poll in NBR so all the lurkers can vote too.

[cotty9]

Got 5 hawk runs + fries'n'gravy break in today in just under 2 hrs. Best conditions since opening week I think; it rained up there last night. Wizard, BB, and MMT have all had sections smoothed out. GOOD WORK TRAIL CREW. The material they used is too dusty right now but if it rains a bit this week and then gets busy Saturday, those sections should smooth out real nice soon. Helter Skelter is still all good. The lip on the very last jump on Big Brother is worn down now making it difficult for average riders(me) to reach the tranny. I was reaching the tranny last week but not today. The jumps on Huster under the Blue Chair might just be the biggest disgrace on the entire mountain. And yes I thought that even before I was spoiled with the Whistler jumps on Friday.

Final Lucky/Kokanee Fun Race goes tomorrow night at 6pm on Monster Mile. I have to miss it which sucks. Good luck everybody.

-=Cotty=-

[hard_core_biker]

me likes the 2 jumps at the bottom of monster mile, sessioned them up at VPS fest


-brett

[DaveM]

me likes the 2 jumps at the bottom of monster mile, sessioned them up at VPS fest


-brett

me too, probably the 2 best tabletops on the mountain when I was there a few weeks back.

We're coming back this weekend, although they'll probably be off limits to all but the racers. Should be fun, we're do some riding on Saturday, and watch the races, take some pics at race time on Sunday and do some riding afterwards.

[counterpoint]

ok - does anyone think that mount wash is really going to have a top level slopestyle course in one week??? Anyone seen anything on the green chair?

[cotty9]

I really want to nail the last table on Monster but I never have enough speed and/or lift.

I got pictures of Darren and the boys working on the slopestyle today. It is a LONG course to build in 9 days but they got a shot. Also got pics of the new wood stunts near the Hawk chair.

Now I just have to figure out how to imbed the pics in a post.

No race related posts from Team J.A. Custom tonight I see...

-=Cotty=-

[cotty9]

Pic of me.2985

-=Cotty=-

[cotty9]

DB and a guy I know standing on the wallride-in-progress. Notice the excavator building a the first big gapper and the course starter wood drop in the background.

2986

New wood stuff in top secret location. After this there is one more little wood ramp and drop and then you get out of the woods and there is like 6 or 7 tables. Flat landings will be easy to come by as they at first glance they are all built too short. I didn't get a pic of them because I was late for work. Somehow I made it from ass-on-chairlift to ass-at-work in 30 mins.

2987

-=Cotty=-

[VancouverIslguy]

DB and a guy I know standing on the wallride-in-progress. Notice the excavator building a the first big gapper and the course starter wood drop in the background.

2986

New wood stuff in top secret location. After this there is one more little wood ramp and drop and then you get out of the woods and there is like 6 or 7 tables. Flat landings will be easy to come by as they at first glance they are all built too short. I didn't get a pic of them because I was late for work. Somehow I made it from ass-on-chairlift to ass-at-work in 30 mins.

2987

-=Cotty=-

care to elaborate where these are, or are they too top secret?

[bigredpig]

Pic of me.2985

-=Cotty=-

Anybody think that they should have moved the two bigger drops back from the top of the transition so you have half a chance of landing on it and not free falling to the bottom if you go off with any speed?

[jpi]

I wish Simon would quit racing and do more freeriding.

[Cvripper]

soo i emailed the mountain asking about when the slopstyle would be ready to ride and they said it wasent gunna be open to the public, i was pissed to say the least, soo i emailed them back saying what was on my mind, ill post up what they say when they return my email.

[DaveM]

I was just wondering what the expense of building a Slopestyle course vs. the payback would be, and can't help but think that money would be better spent on making the public trails better.

Really, how big of a crowd will this draw, and what, financially speaking, will it bring to the mountain for more than a single day?

[jpi]

It's Mt Washington. WTFBBQ do you think is really going to happen here?

[Cvripper]

I was just wondering what the expense of building a Slopestyle course vs. the payback would be, and can't help but think that money would be better spent on making the public trails better.

Really, how big of a crowd will this draw, and what, financially speaking, will it bring to the mountain for more than a single day?

exactly why bother spending all the money to build the course for 1 day use, it would make way more sence to make some extra cash of it by having it open for their last mounth of riding, they said in the first email it was because no one was good enuff to ride it, like WTF:flame:

[emeraldeyes_bc]

mt washington I have found to be extremely unorginized, with no intrest of PR. when I brought my friends up last weekend to ride, they needed to rent bikes. we tried the website and it said that there were LOTS of bikes available to rent. we still attempted to call to reserve but with no answer on any of the extensions. when we get there, they tell us sorry but they just rented the last bike an hour ago! we said that we had called several times and they basically said oh well shitty for you wait around till 3 we might have some available. when we asked about the website and that it said they had lots of bikes and the signs. he said "just cause it says that doesn't mean it's true" then the guy in the rental shop said "we reserved more bikes than we have, we just write it down we don't count" ........obviously the customer isn't high on the list of priorities for them. when we said that we were really disapointed that we came a long way to get there and arranged time off work etc, they just said sorry it's not our fault you didn't make a reservation. :(

[Universe]

I was just wondering what the expense of building a Slopestyle course vs. the payback would be, and can't help but think that money would be better spent on making the public trails better.

Really, how big of a crowd will this draw, and what, financially speaking, will it bring to the mountain for more than a single day?

Hey calm down buddy. Mt Washington knows best! I mean, they are the leading lift access resort on the island...

[skifreak]

Where's Crusher when they need him!

[skifreak]

mt washington I have found to be extremely unorginized, with no intrest of PR. ........obviously the customer isn't high on the list of priorities for them. when we said that we were really disapointed that we came a long way to get there and arranged time off work etc, they just said sorry it's not our fault you didn't make a reservation. :(

It's the same thing summer or winter - asked them a while back when I worked there - could we setup something to inventory the equipment and allow online reservations?

"well - that's gonna cost money and too hard to organize."

mostly they just figured - it's good enough - and leave it as is.

They even use an accounting program for the point of sale - and no way to inventory or track what size of ski or boot or such was a popular seller - we always ended up with lots of odd sizes at the end of the year... and then ordered the same wrong sizes the next season too.

Until a big corporation such as Intrawest (before they got swallowed up) with investors and shareholders comes along to buy them they will keep running as they are.

[skifreak]

I was just wondering what the expense of building a Slopestyle course vs. the payback would be, and can't help but think that money would be better spent on making the public trails better.

Really, how big of a crowd will this draw, and what, financially speaking, will it bring to the mountain for more than a single day?

I think the sponsors are coming up with some of the build costs, and the materials are already milled onsite - the excavator is owned by the resort.

but still!

definately silly that they "assume" that no-one but the pros could ride it....

[cotty9]

If nothing else, at least this event has got lots of people round here to stand up and be counted. Some go for the macho approach and then there is the extreme sarcasm contingent and we round it out with the negative but I got evidence to back it up crowd. I elect to just break it down in my head to super simple 'is it cool' yes/no questions: Is it cool that...
- sweet riders are gonna do sick stunts at our mountain. YES.
- they are gonna knock the course flat on Sunday morning due to liability issues. Not really.
- they are passing up the opportunity to build and leave some Whistler style 5-10 foot stuff for normal riders. NO and this is the biggest piss-off.

So even though I don't agree 100% with how they are handling the event I am forced to support it. I can only hope that if enough people support