Pangor Maintainence

[dwicks]

As I have been working on Pangor the last few months, there have been several people riding by asking me how they can help out with the trail maintainence, some want to start building ladders and other stuff. I have got no problem with people helping out putty and I, I only ask that they try and do it with with one of us. I'm not saying that putty and I own the trail, but we have walked up the trail several times together and have scoped out and planned most of the things that we want to do. Also, we'd like to try and keep the quality high.

So if you want to help out on pangor or you have any suggestions or ideas reply to this post. The trail needs losts of work and I don't think that putty or I would object to any help.

BTW, for those who want to, there are several large mudholes throughout most of the trail. Piling rocks next to any of them would be a great help.

If someone is looking for a trail to adopt an easy trail to get to that is in desperate need of some attention and is not too long is Slash. I would get to it but I have got my hands full. Get ahold of Sharon or LeeLau and I'm sure they could hook you up.

DW

[m33p]

Same goes for Neds. Any help on any trail by anyone is greatly appreciated.

[wilkez]

what ever happened with the monster ladder up the hill? is that a go yet?

[Putty]

its coming...i've been busy.

nobody build crap up there though...

[m33p]

Originally posted by putty
its coming...i've been busy.

nobody build crap up there though...

heh, me too, I haven't been up on Ned's for close to a month and a half now. Stupid school an Job hunting getting in my way. Tomorrow!

[switch]

Dave,

I road Pangor a week ago, and the trail conditions were almost summer-like. I rode it Tuesday night, and it was very boggy. I piled a few rocks, but I think it's going to take a lot of rocks.

I would suggest that you plan the trail day as best as possible in terms of pointing out where people should be working. I say this because at some trail days there's a good turnout, but insufficient direction and management for the people turning out to work. Having a prioritized list of what to be done and then assigning people, with at least one person being knowledgeable on the work to be done, will make the days work much more efficient. I'd also suggest drainage and rock work - when it rains, it's amazing how much the top section of the trail pools up. Which is so sad, because when the trail is dry, it has a great flow to it. Pangor is going to be Seymour's newest gem. :)

Another suggestion for the current state of the trail. Somewhere around the top to middle of the trail, you come across a log that's 3 feet high and blocking the trail. The log has a down ramp on it, but no way to get up. It would be nice if an on-ramp onto the log was put on (making a mini a-frame) - even if it's just temporary. The length would only be a few feet. It would make the flow much better. Immediately below that, there's quite a large area that fills up with water when it rains, and there's also a ladder onto a log that's has nails sticking out. Those nails are a bit of a hazard - I saw someone try to ride the ladder to log a couple weeks ago and they slipped and caught a nail. I believe the nails should be removed. I would have done it, but I'm always keep forgetting to bring a hammer. The ladder could go to, as it leads onto the sketchy section of log.

One other thing about the trail. I rode the trail a few weeks ago with Jim (PD), and he had a pretty good idea about getting out of the swamp at the bottom. You should talk to him about it; not only does it sound like a good plan, it would probably be a lot easier than previous suggestions I've read/heard.

Major, major kudos on the work done so far. On Tuesday night I tried to ride a bit faster right off the start, and the berms (both regular and wood) as well as the new wood to log ride were super fun. It's sweet, and I'm hearing nothing but positive and happy comments about it. Very nice work Chris - CBC grade, or better.

And the lower section is such an improvement over last year. A guy I was riding with rode the rock face (right at the start of the lower section), and he really liked it - filling in the cracks definitely helped. That drain box on the pond is working great - not much water there at at all. Great work Dave.

[Sharon]

The trail day should definately focus on filling in the mud holes. Perhaps the next time you , Dave or Chris, hike up the trail flag the sections that need to be filled in. On the trail day we can direct people to go to those areas to start collecting rocks.

The trail is so old it's essentially sunken below the rest of the area, the puddles are even deeper. The low areas need to be filled in and recontoured so they drain.

We rode it last week, when it was dry, the potential sure is there!

[dwicks]

Originally posted by putty
its coming...i've been busy.

nobody build crap up there though...

Exactly no "crap." But if you do build crap make it easy for Chris and I to tear it down.

Chris, I might go up tommorrow. What about finishing the swamp monster re-vamp?

DW

[bullit_kid]

there is one section that is mudpits, its where there has been a new route vut by someone riding off the trail, i think the only way from stopping people making there own trails around the mud is to make an elevated bridge ( cbc style ) a foot high 2-3 feet wide, younger riders and older riders who may not be up to riding a skinnier bridge will find this appealing, plus a younger or older rider who is inexpirenced as to the unoficial rules of a trail

ie: dont cut trails around something

i also think that it will be much quicker to build a boardwalk, on the section im talking about, and i think that it will last longer than the rock work ..

[switch]

Rock work in that section would be a huge amount of work. Plus, drainage would be very difficult - it's flat there.

But it sure would be nice to see that section fixed up. As I keep saying, Pangor is a sweet trail, and getting sweeter all the time.

[bullit_kid]

Originally posted by switch
Rock work in that section would be a huge amount of work. Plus, drainage would be very difficult - it's flat there.

But it sure would be nice to see that section fixed up. As I keep saying, Pangor is a sweet trail, and getting sweeter all the time.

as i said before

a boardwalk bridge

less work

[Sharon]

actually, its more work since you'll have to fix it regularly and replace it eventually.

Rock lasts forever ( or at least our lifetime...)

That section can be recontoured. Yes it would be a lot of work. Impossible? only you can answer that :)

Originally posted by bullit_kid
as i said before

a boardwalk bridge

less work

[Putty]

berms,
berms,
berms,

all i see is berms,

big ones,
small ones,

dirt ones,
wood ones,

berms

thank you

[Sharon]

We need to figure out a way to put in a burm that will drain.

My thoughts are to build the burm high enough that water can puddle on the downside so the puddle won't be an issue for riders.

[Niggz]

yah you just need a big hole at the bottom and eevrything will collect in the hole.

[Putty]

Originally posted by Sharon
We need to figure out a way to put in a burm that will drain.

My thoughts are to build the burm high enough that water can puddle on the downside so the puddle won't be an issue for riders.

I have made a berm with a cedar "pipe" (cedar log with the top 1/4 cut off, the center cut out, and the top replaced, and it seemed to work quite well. I was going to make grates, but then we figured out that water was not an issue in the area, and covered them over.

Man, you sure carry speed through those 2 dirt berms on top now...

Flow makes me happy.

[switch]

Originally posted by putty
Man, you sure carry speed through those 2 dirt berms on top now...

Flow makes me happy.

I tried them at a good clip last week, and they work awesome. :thepimp:

[Putty]

Originally posted by switch
I tried them at a good clip last week, and they work awesome. :thepimp:

yeah you can really keep up your speed now...we finished off the second wooden berm near the end of the first bridge yesterday. it looks like that whole section will just scream now...

i wish i didn't have to be at work right now...

[bullit_kid]

sharon, i am all for helping rock the puddles,

but it will take forever to get rocks for that section ..

bridge
-the trail can get slowly thinner because the bush isnt being trampled

but i will help rock the puddles

its only my suggestion

[dwicks]

On Sunday the 2nd, PD and I did a temporary build of a new log ride on Pangor.

It was formally the spot with all the nails sticking out. It is by no means finished, but at least it is ridable now. It will also give us a chance to see where the new line will end up. Switch will be a little happier.

Putty, I left your hammer hanging on a nail where we said we would leave it. If you get a chance to work on that spot go ahead and give the log a clean up using the chainsaw. Make the big bad ____ proud! We also checked out the hike a bike again. Still looks like the mega ladder bridge of death is the answer. However, we might try routing it a bit differently to keep the grade nice and easy (i.e. we don't have to stay exactly on the old trail.

dw

[Putty]

Originally posted by dwicks
On Sunday the 2nd, PD and I did a temporary build of a new log ride on Pangor.

It was formally the spot with all the nails sticking out. It is by no means finished, but at least it is ridable now. It will also give us a chance to see where the new line will end up. Switch will be a little happier.

Putty, I left your hammer hanging on a nail where we said we would leave it. If you get a chance to work on that spot go ahead and give the log a clean up using the chainsaw. Make the big bad ____ proud! We also checked out the hike a bike again. Still looks like the mega ladder bridge of death is the answer. However, we might try routing it a bit differently to keep the grade nice and easy (i.e. we don't have to stay exactly on the old trail.

dw

yeah, when we hiked up it that day, i did not see a miracle solution, but i don't think it will be that bad...a month worth of weekends for 2 guys i think. once i get my chain saw running properly, i will be up there shaving.

boogie has a hike a bike too after the log, so if we can avoid it completely on pangor that would be a good thing.

i will get the hammer.

[Sharon]

Can you tell people who ride down Pangor that Empress is closed!

We need to make sure nobody rides down that trail until we get the bridge in, probably not until June or July.

thanks!

[Putty]

Originally posted by Sharon
Can you tell people who ride down Pangor that Empress is closed!

We need to make sure nobody rides down that trail until we get the bridge in, probably not until June or July.

thanks!

I will, but it looks like the Empress entrance is severly closed, I don't think you could get in there the way they have it blocked off.

Will pass along the message when I am up there though.

[Cucumber Jones]

Props guys - very nice work... That fixed log ride where you removed the nails is much better. I can see it being lots of fun.

What ideas have you been working on for new sections of the trail?

[switch]

We rode Pangor last night, and the new log ride is great. Nice work.

And I have to say again, the berms are fun. Hit them, then hike back up and hit them again. :)