Upper Body Armour

[partswhore]

Hey there, well I made a deal with my wife and I have to buck up for some upper body armour for her. Her part of the deal is she has to buy her whistler season pass so I think its fair.

Here's my question, what brand is the best for women? She's not flat chested and that's my concern, not gigantic either but the regular armour all seems to be geared towards men.

Any advice?

[DaveM]

Sorry to bud into the Ladies forum, but I just went through this with my wife.

She tried the Beastgear (not bad) Fox (fit ok, but really heavy) Troy Lee (1st runner up) and Dainese.

The Dainese fit the best and looked to offer the best protection without feeling constricted. I'm pretty sure it's the only one that was women's specific, all the others were just small mens. It's also the most expensive though, but sometimes you get what you pay for (except the their leg armour)

[corey@nsmb.com]

I'll second Dave's comments.

My wife also tried several, and nothing fits like Dainese. Kinda sucks, because it costs the most, but it is the number 1 product out there that everyone else is trying to compete with.

There is another product, that looks identical to Dainese, but it costs significantly less. I think it is called High Velocity Gear or something (do a search, it was on here somewhere in the gear forum I think). Supposed to fit the same as Dainese.

[apeshape]

Like anything its all about fit...

I know Gordo designs the Beastgear stuff with women in mind. He has a new suit coming out in a few weeks that is dramatically better than his past offerings when it comes to ladies fit and I think it will even be available in pink.

[cheryl@nsmb.com]

So far in my experience selling armour to women the Daniese is really the only good fitting option in our store. We try the ladies in all the stuff on the floor but soon as they slip into a safety jacket they are comfy.

[heckler's better 1/2]

If your wife plans on wearing her chest armour all day make sure it isn't too "flattening". I really liked the way the 661 pressure suit fit in the store but after about 3 hours of squeezing and bouncing the "girls" down the mountain, I am ready to rip it the suit off. I swear the same guy who invented sports bras has been busy designing chest armour under the same design theory --- IF ALL ELSE FAILS JUST SQUISH'EM AGAINST THE BODY TILL THEY STOP MOVING --- Ouch!

That said I loved the price $90 US! I can't justify the $400 - $500 for the Daniese.

Can't wait to see how the new Beastgear will fit...

[stuart@nsmb.com]

Also jumping in here...

My GF is petite but curvy, and found that the Beastgear - with some modifications - fit best.

Her problem was that even this armour rode up, and choked her. The solution was to sew some velcro onto the jacket and then onto the back side of the kidney belt. That held the jacket down.

She's quite happy with it now. BTW, she found the Dainese with the hard chest protector wasn't comfortable.

[Fluid]

That's the biggest problem I find with any upper body armour, is that it continually rides up. I'm finding that I'm having to keep pulling it back down all the time throughout my ride.

I don't know why people keep saying that Dainese is women specific either. Maybe stick women with small breasts specific. But referring to heckler's better 1/2's comment about the squishing effect, I too can't wait to rip the suit off after a few hours. It's definitely constricting in the chest area and I'm not even large chested. I always thought Dainese was made for guys, or unisex at the best, but not women specific. Was I wrong?

[corey@nsmb.com]

That's the biggest problem I find with any upper body armour, is that it continually rides up. I'm finding that I'm having to keep pulling it back down all the time throughout my ride.

I don't know why people keep saying that Dainese is women specific either. Maybe stick women with small breasts specific. But referring to heckler's better 1/2's comment about the squishing effect, I too can't wait to rip the suit off after a few hours. It's definitely constricting in the chest area and I'm not even large chested. I always thought Dainese was made for guys, or unisex at the best, but not women specific. Was I wrong?

I only read one person saying it was women specific.

Everyone else who commented on it just said it seems to be the best fitting armour, which arguably, it is.

It might just seem to work well with women who are smaller framed than most guys because Dainese is the closest, most ergonomic fitting armour on the market. For smaller riders, or less broad shouldered riders, this is going to translate to a better fit.

It sucks to be "swimming" in your armour. It can be bulky, uncomfortable, and it looks awful. Proper fit is the key.

Have any of the ladies tried heating up the plastic protection on the front of the Dainese to buy yourself a little more room? I bet a heat gun to warm the plastic up until it is maliable, followed by a blast of cold water would work well in getting a more personal fit.

[Fluid]

This thread isn't the first place I've heard that Dainese is women specific. I've been told this by other people in the past as well.

And it's true, the Dainese does seem to be the best fit so far. Even with the problem of riding up and chest squashing taken into consideration.

[corey@nsmb.com]

This thread isn't the first place I've heard that Dainese is women specific. I've been told this by other people in the past as well.

And it's true, the Dainese does seem to be the best fit so far. Even with the problem of riding up and chest squashing taken into consideration.

People must just be having wishful thinking :lol:

The ladies should try heating that stuff up and reshaping it a bit..might be the answer to any fit issues.

[heckler's better 1/2]

yeah...my 661 rides up too even when I have the kidney belt done up as tight as possible. The spine protector usually ends up gabbing into the base of my fullface helmet and/or digging into the back of my neck.

Sizing it bigger or smaller usually does not help. Somehow it needs to be designed to allow for space upfront yet remain snug in the shoulder area, since most are designed with the shoulder width being the same if not slightly larger than the chest, we girls (who are blessed with a little something up front) are always going to run into problems with fit... I went with the smaller fit which works but is far from a perfect fit.

[stuart@nsmb.com]

For the ladies who are having problems with the jacket riding up, seriously - go get yourself a couple of inches of wide, industrial strength velcro, go to a shoe repair place, and have them sew it onto the jacket and kidney belt.

Makes a WORLD of difference, and prevents the jacket / chest protection from riding up. It'll cost you less than $20 and will be money well spent.

My girlfriend wears her jacket all day at Whistler, even in the middle of summer, and doesn't have a problem with it.

[enduramil]

Maybe this is a hint for some one to make a model for women. Or to make a name for themselves modifying armour for women. Though that won't make all women happy as you can't fit them all. Kind of like bike shoes, they are made to fit everyone but you.

[Testy]

My girlfriend picked up some Dainese and says its real comfy. Got it used and in pink and black colour at the North Shore sport swap. Awesome...

Also if anyone's lookin search Dainese on Craigslist, someone's selling Dainese arms and legs size small, in new condition for 60 bucks.

[blond_bomber_b]

I got a dianese suit. i tried on the one with the hard front and it rides up and just didn't fit in the chest area so i had to go for the soft front. it fits pretty well and doesn't ride at all. I had to get a small though and I am 5'8", so if you were a smaller girl you might have to look into the kids ones. It doesn't squish uncomfortably (because of the lack of hard front) but does make me pretty flat.
Some of the other girls i ride with have the mace suit and they seem to like it.

[partswhore]

Wow, thanks for all the replies! I'm off in search of a Dainese I guess, but we'll search others too. The Mace sounds intriguing.

She is short, maybe 5'5, 120lbs so we might be looking at kids sizes.

[bunny]

Wow, thanks for all the replies! I'm off in search of a Dainese I guess, but we'll search others too. The Mace sounds intriguing.

She is short, maybe 5'5, 120lbs so we might be looking at kids sizes.

i'm 5'6" and same weight and the soft front "grown up" size fits fine. :) and definitely not as squishy as the turtle type ones. it does ride up a bit but it's not a big deal... mind you i took off the spine protector which made a big difference.

[synchro]

Have any of the ladies tried heating up the plastic protection on the front of the Dainese to buy yourself a little more room? I bet a heat gun to warm the plastic up until it is maliable, followed by a blast of cold water would work well in getting a more personal fit.

i can just see it...

now being offered by corey@nsmb.com, free "fitting sessions" for women's upper body armour

[white ri0t]

i can just see it...

now being offered by corey@nsmb.com, free "fitting sessions" for women's upper body armour
women feel safe around gay men.

[corey@nsmb.com]

women feel safe around gay men.


:lol: is that what they tell you? :beer:

I bet they feel just as safe around married men. :)

Synchro could be on to something here with the "fitting" service!

All kidding aside, it has got to be only a matter of time until someone steps up and recognizes the female riding contingent and starts making them nice gear too. So many of the "womens" bike clothing is so lame that a lot of women end up buying smaller sized mens gear, which doesn't fit quite as well as it could. The womens clothes are more often than not lame patterns, lame colors and lame sizing. Drives my wife nuts, she has a hard time finding nice gear that fits right.

Then there is the whole armour issue. Upper stuff doesn't fit great and leg pads could use improvement.

Someone who has the resources and means (ie: an existing manufacturer) should think outside of the box (pun intended) and come up with some fresh gear for the ladies who like to ride but don't want to look like someone fresh out of a 1995 MEC catalogue.

[synchro]

nice comeback corey!

score:

corey - 1
white ri0t - 0

[corey@nsmb.com]

nice comeback corey!

score:

corey - 1
white ri0t - 0


ahh, but I am still in the whole. Digs has burned me more than I can easily recover from. :lol:

[synchro]

ahh, but I am still in the whole. Digs has burned me more than I can easily recover from. :lol:

yeah, that bastard eh.

i take it easy on you because i don't like picking on the weak.

[corey@nsmb.com]

yeah, that bastard eh.

i take it easy on you because i don't like picking on the weak.


speaking of armour..I think I could use some in this thread! I'm taking a beating.

Look what we are doing to the ladies forum!

[corey@nsmb.com]

i take it easy on you because i don't like picking on the weak.

:lol:

OK , couldn't resist.

I try to hold back in my responses and not argue. When you argue with idiots they will drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience.

:lol:

"synchrowned"

[synchro]

I try to hold back in my responses and not argue. When you argue with idiots they will drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience.

exactly, that's why i never argue with cam or women

*reaches for flame retardent/proctective suit*

[skifreak]

in all the posts on these sites... why hasn't the industry come up with sizing for women and kids. Trying to fit armour to my gf and her kids is an exercise in futility. Finally found the mec armour to come small enough for her son, and fox arms/ dianese legs which don't cover the backs of her legs from pedal studs... to work for her - but we're out of luck for much else...

Race Face? Mace? anyone?!

just my two cents.

[Del]

in all the posts on these sites... why hasn't the industry come up with sizing for women and kids. Trying to fit armour to my gf and her kids is an exercise in futility. Finally found the mec armour to come small enough for her son, and fox arms/ dianese legs which don't cover the backs of her legs from pedal studs... to work for her - but we're out of luck for much else...

Race Face? Mace? anyone?!

just my two cents.


There is a new brand called SIXTY that some shops carry that finally makes proper mtb armour for kids. (sorry, i dont about women) They are one of those co's like axiom that caters to hardcore mountain bike parts on more of an affordable budget then raceface etc. I am using one of their seatposts right now.

Definitly worth checking out.

[blond_bomber_b]

i know this is a little off topic but someone went there. the thing about girls riding clothes, i totally agree that someone needs to make something. i bought these awesome sombrio shorts and then waited to get the jersey in. the shorts are medium and even a little to big, the large jersey barely fits over my armour (they make no XL) and i will probably only wear it when only wearing my arm pads, no dianese! so how am i supposed to be a fully armored chick and still look damn fine!

[Heatmizer]

Don't know why I came in here, but interesting topic. I think I may also have a partial answer as to why there's no real women specific armor out there.

Assides from the fact that women all have them and they're all in the same general location - front of the body between the shoulder and the navel - there is no other consistancy.

From my personal experiences with them - heavily supplemented by wayyyy too much exposure via the internet :lol: the simple problem is that womens' boobs (can I say that?) are all different. Never mind cup size, some sit high, other low, some close together others far apart etc etc

I'm sure if you found two women the same height/weight/cup size, their boobs would sit differently. I don't think there's any blame here, it's just a fact that bodies are all different. Most of the armor out there already doesn't fit flat chested men properly, so the companies have a long way to go before they get womens armor right.

The only way I could see to make women specific armor - other than Corey's "hands on" method ;) - would be either soft armor on the front, real pliable stuff like back catchers use (or did last time I played so many years ago). Or if you wanted hard shell it'd have to be articulating similar to a spine protector, and there'd have to be adjustments via straps or whatever down each side of it to allow the wearer to loosen and tighten the armor in the areas they need it. Unfortunately I expect this kind of design would be damned expensive.

Just my 2 cents.

[Karen]

Breast reduction=problem solved.

[Neo]

get women's specific hockey shoulder/chest pads. they come in a variety of sizes are are likely better protection anyways.

[Karen]

^^just joking with the earlier comment.

Try a motorcycle shop. Some can get women specific upper armour. It's pricey, though. And they don't usually carry it in stock. Good luck.

[Lady Gravity]

i know this is a little off topic but someone went there. the thing about girls riding clothes, i totally agree that someone needs to make something. i bought these awesome sombrio shorts and then waited to get the jersey in. the shorts are medium and even a little to big, the large jersey barely fits over my armour (they make no XL) and i will probably only wear it when only wearing my arm pads, no dianese! so how am i supposed to be a fully armored chick and still look damn fine!

sombrio makes some great looking womens jerseys, unfortunately, they're not something i'd wear on the trail. i pretty much only buy the guys jerseys (of any brand) to wear riding as the venting and sizing is a lot roomier. as for looking damn fine..LOL..we're bikers. looking good is for the after parties :D

as for armor, when i wear it all i use is the motox plastic chest protector (in addition to the usual armpads) and i have no complaints.

[partswhore]

Thanks for the input girls and guys. I just ordered a Six six one SP2 Pressure Suit off the net, size small and only a hundred bucks!


The price was right that's for sure, I'll let you know how she makes out with it.

[SIDESHOW]

http://www.transworldmotocross.com/mx/product_reviews/article/0,13190,1193795,00.html


I don't think moto protectors are the answer, but its a step in the right direction.

[Kerensa]

Also jumping in here...

My GF is petite but curvy, and found that the Beastgear - with some modifications - fit best.

Her problem was that even this armour rode up, and choked her. The solution was to sew some velcro onto the jacket and then onto the back side of the kidney belt. That held the jacket down.

She's quite happy with it now. BTW, she found the Dainese with the hard chest protector wasn't comfortable.



I totally have the problem of choking on my chest plate - I have tried every brand of armour - right now I have a ridge jacket - in Xtra small and it seems to work OK (mostly because it is way too small and that keeps it from moving too much) - but it is far from ideal - I rarely wear it when I am not racing -it just keeps riding up - breasts and chest plates just don't work together very well ....

where exactly would you sew on the velcro? I can't picture it? but if it works I totally need to try it....

[Northshore Chica]

Ah, Time to add my two cents!
I was thinking about this thread as I armoured up on Sunday. I wear a small Dainese safety jacket. Soft chest. (the hard one was terrible !) but as a D cup girl, I do believe it's all about the sports bra underneath!! ie. flatten/squish the girls and the jacket fits much better, rides up less! But, jeez, there has GOT to be a better way than a side zipper to close that thing! Makes for a bit of a struggle! (not to mention a minor show at the drop in!)
Just my thoughts. Anyone?

[Fluid]

I always wear a good sports bra when I ride, especially when wearing armour, and yet the Dainese (and other brands) still ride up :(

[synchro]

i have the same problem with my upper body armour, it rides up. i find the velcro waist belt doesn't help much either. a possible solution that has crossed my mind is to use suspenders from between the armour and my shorts.

please note, this was a serious post

[enduramil]

i have the same problem with my upper body armour, it rides up. i find the velcro waist belt doesn't help much either. a possible solution that has crossed my mind is to use suspenders from between the armour and my shorts.

please note, this was a serious post

Syncro, I think you have found a new career. Women's armour fitter and modifier.

[Fluid]

i have the same problem with my upper body armour, it rides up. i find the velcro waist belt doesn't help much either. a possible solution that has crossed my mind is to use suspenders from between the armour and my shorts.

please note, this was a serious post

Do you have man boobs? Have you tried a good sports bra? :D

[stuart@nsmb.com]

I'll post pix of my GF's modified jacket in the next couple of days. Sorry, can't remember how we did it - but she said it was night and day. Completely solved the problem.

[Fluid]

That would be great if you could, Stuart. I couldn't really picture what you meant and when I described it to my husband, he interpreted it as something similar to what Synchro mentioned - as in velcroing the armour to the top of the shorts.

[synchro]

Do you have man boobs? Have you tried a good sports bra? :D

no man boobs, but i do have something known as pectorals. oddly enough htey are developed as a result of heavy strength training.

[enduramil]

no man boobs, but i do have something known as pectorals. oddly enough htey are developed as a result of heavy strength training.

Heavy Strength Training? I thought it was your Flintstone Vitamin's that helped.:D

[heckler's better 1/2]

God!!! the idea of having my chest armour velcroed to my shorts has me a little concerned... I can see it now, after every ride I'll be trying to find out where my undies went! It's a good way to guarantee that you end each and every ride with a spectacular wedgie.

I agree a good sports bra does help.

[Kerensa]

God!!! the idea of having my chest armour velcroed to my shorts has me a little concerned... I can see it now, after every ride I'll be trying to find out where my undies went! It's a good way to guarantee that you end each and every ride with a spectacular wedgie.

I agree a good sports bra does help.


hahaha - you had me laughing out loud with that one and I must agree !! eeek !! I don't even want to think about it -

yes a good sports bra or two or three ( I double up ) works wonders but still there must be a better solution. I like the idea of a molded chest plate molded to the shape of my breasts - how crazy would that look - you could make the cups pointed like a madonna bra....

[synchro]

God!!! the idea of having my chest armour velcroed to my shorts has me a little concerned... I can see it now, after every ride I'll be trying to find out where my undies went! It's a good way to guarantee that you end each and every ride with a spectacular wedgie.

I agree a good sports bra does help.

to solve that problem just velcro your shorts to your socks.

i might have to try the sports bra idea.

[enduramil]

to solve that problem just velcro your shorts to your socks.

i might have to try the sports bra idea.

Now picture that and try to get to sleep tonight. Forget arousal, it's run off to hide.:lol:

[heckler's better 1/2]

..the image of Syncro wearing a "mansiere" is way too much for this little girl to handle. I'm going to have to sleep with the lights on tonight.

[Knnn]

Thanks to H's>0.5 and syncro for brightening up my lunch time, I have not laughed that much in a long time.

I also have the problem that my Dainese upper body armour rides up, so am interested in the velcro cure, which I presume connects the bottom edge of the upper armour to the top of the waist belt?

[SRH]

I bought a 661 pressure suit off the internet as well. I got the Small thinking it would fit...Well it turned out to be HUGE. So I swapped it for Hoots upperbody armour. Better, but still too big. I had to sew some straps on and make some adjustments also. It rode up and would get caught on my helmet and bruise my neck. I have recentlty tried on the Dainese an even with a D sized chest I find it fits better than anything else. I have to wear a good sports bra and do a little sucking in to get it on...but it works. I have found that most armour doesn't fit well in the shoulders. Most of us have narrower shoulders than ther guys...It's always nice to have everything shift to the side when I crash to expose all the stuff that was protected only a moment earlier...

[Lady Gravity]

to solve that problem just velcro your shorts to your socks.

i might have to try the sports bra idea.

:lol: oh god, trying to laugh quietly at work is REALLY hard - i'm picturing synchro in madonna style body armour :lol:



as for the belt idea, why wouldn't you just sew wide elastic to the bottom of the jacket, and attach some velcro in the front so you can wrap it around? i can definitely see this. maybe people should all complain so the jackets are made longer, shorties only suit one body type - skinny!

[SRH]

I'm with Kerensa on the good sports bra thing too...I've been known to "double up" also...LOL!

I think you get what you pay for. Yeah you can get cheaper armour than the Dainese...but it's doubtful that it will fit as well...and when you're eating it in the rocks, I would rather have the armour that stays put than the cheaper stuff that shifts and leaves you exposed...what's the point in even wearing any at that point?

Would you skimp and get a cheap helmet that was too big?

[enduramil]

:lol: oh god, trying to laugh quietly at work is REALLY hard - i'm picturing synchro in madonna style body armour :lol:



as for the belt idea, why wouldn't you just sew wide elastic to the bottom of the jacket, and attach some velcro in the front so you can wrap it around? i can definitely see this. maybe people should all complain so the jackets are made longer, shorties only suit one body type - skinny!

Sounds more like you are suggesting Synchro would be better off with a straight jacket.

[DARTHYOGA]

I havent tried the Dainnesse but I ride with my small Fox armour and once I broke it in it was awsome. It has the wide straps around the hips that keep it where it should be and it keeps my ample bubblies in line. I bail alot ( ALOT ) and the girls are always in the right place at the end.
I accidently bought a realy small UnderArmour brand shirt thinking it was for under armour and it works great. Its wicks sweat away and the armour just slides around on it so it doesnt bunch.

[Sharon]

does everyone use a camelback?

I have the Hoots upper body armour and it doesn't ride up if I wear my camel back which I always wear.

I find it very comfortable.

[partswhore]

Hey this turned into quite the discussion, I'm impressed.

Well we got the small 661 Sp2 pressure suit, it turned out to be huge. So sent it back and the X-small fits like a glove! She really digs it and the price was right at $109 US. The sizing chart said she would be a small but nope!

Dont get me wrong I love the Dainese, wear one myself, but I got a bro deal on it well in the past that has since disappeared. At a third of the price the suit looks good, and she's pumped because its got blue on it and it matches her bike.

Girls will be girls I guess.

[Smoke]

..the image of Syncro wearing a "mansiere" is way too much for this little girl to handle. I'm going to have to sleep with the lights on tonight.

http://photos.nsmb.com/files/2/0/0/1/7/synchrochestpro.jpg

Sweet dreams ...

[cheryl@nsmb.com]

As a mod I may need to delete that picture. The line was wayyy back there.

[CraigH]

... leg pads could use improvement.

Check out the Mace leg armour, it is similar in design to the Roach/RaceFace stuff, but in a smaller size that fits women.

[CraigH]

One other comment, there was a bunch of posts about good sports bras.

My wife loves the Champion brand, but I can't remember the model, but it works well. Actually got the recommendation from a co-worker of mine who is stacked and plays womens hockey. The women's sports store on 4th near Alma stocks them.

[stuart@nsmb.com]

Here are the photos I was talking about, with the velcro mods to hold the top down. Sorry it took so long to post - kept forgetting to take pix. Post if you've got questions...

http://www.nsmb.com/stuart/images/beast_mod1.jpg

http://www.nsmb.com/stuart/images/beast_mod2.jpg

[skifreak]

you're rather handy with the needle and thread eh! - interesting idea - might have to try it...

[stuart@nsmb.com]

Go to a tailor and get them to do it. You need an industrial sewing machine to get through all that plastic.

The whole project should cost less than $20, and it's well worth it if your armour rides up.

[SkunkworkS]

Any girls out there looking for upper body armour,

661 SP-2 pressure suit.

Chest is soft and quite adjustable with a bunch of straps. Comes in XS for the more petite women. I'm small and bought the small size (5'6 and 130 lbs), this fits me like a glove. I don't see how the chest area would be overly restrictive, lots of room to expand into.

[ralph]

Wow, thanks for all the replies! I'm off in search of a Dainese I guess, but we'll search others too. The Mace sounds intriguing.

She is short, maybe 5'5, 120lbs so we might be looking at kids sizes.


I'm that size and I wear a dainese small, I wouldn't recommend the kids size only because the spine protection doesn't go down below the tailbone. It is cheaper and it fit more snuggly, but I just didn't feel as well protected in it. The size small does not move around on me and I don't really have any problems with squishing or wearing it all day long... I think the biggest problem I have with it is getting out of it at the end of the day!

I used to have 661 and I couldn't wear the spine protection b/c it rode up so high it would hit my helmet and push it down in front of my eyes, and I know of some smaller guys who have had this problem as well. I recently saw a girl wearing a Fox suit that did this same thing, she wasn't very happy about it.

I haven't tried a lot of the other brands b/c they're not as readily available and I was tired of crashing hard and not having any spine protection- so I just spent the money.

[newgirl]

what about wearing a moto chest protector? I have seen a coupla gals using that and it seems less restricting, you can put it over your jersey so more comfortable.....any advice?

[Lady Gravity]

what about wearing a moto chest protector? I have seen a coupla gals using that and it seems less restricting, you can put it over your jersey so more comfortable.....any advice?

that's what i wear, with a backpack, and it has definitely saved me a few times. not that comfortable though (more so without the backpack) but i'd rather suffer a little discomfort and be a little safer. the only place i wear it is whistler and the bmx track.

[newgirl]

I would be wearing it up whis and N.Shore...no backpack for me so sounds like the way to go. Now where to buy.....

[Lady Gravity]

I would be wearing it up whis and N.Shore...no backpack for me so sounds like the way to go. Now where to buy.....

try overtime in coquitlam. sometimes sports junkies has them as well. they're made by Fox and Shift.

[enduramil]

try overtime in coquitlam. sometimes sports junkies has them as well. they're made by Fox and Shift.

Check out Carter Honda for new.

Might also check EBay and Craigslist Vancouver.

[Lady Gravity]

I would be wearing it up whis and N.Shore...no backpack for me so sounds like the way to go. Now where to buy.....


oh and no backpack? either you ride with people that carry your tools or you just bat your eyes at passing bikers when you get a flat

[newgirl]

you have to own tools??!!

[enduramil]

you have to own tools??!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanks. I really needed that.