The Independent Bike Show Thread

[M_Dub]

Where?
When?
How?
Who?
Who else misses seeing guys like Mccaul, Simmons, Schley at the show?
Being able to Not only talk with these guys but ride with them as well.
Misses seeing Cove, Specialized, Rocky Mountain, and even wishes that companies like Knolly, transition and Dmr Would be there.

A show like Interbike on the floor and an attractive low pressure jam session on the side. How do you think it could be done?

*Edit:
What Happend to Ryan Leech trials demos?
Seems like every year we lost something and the OUTDOOR show is using the bike expo as a way to get people to come only to be disappointed by infomercials and ads and golf.

[Del]

Good thread!! It can be done!


I think it would be great if it was more of a festival atmosphere! Have some BBQ happening or something, affordably of course, and MUSIC!! How about a few sets from some up and coming local bands? Another easy thing to setup that would bring good vibes.

The key is going to be CHEAP space. That way cool small bike and clothing companies will all be able to go without having to worry very much about if they sell things
Mainly, I want to see more of the biking community getting stoked, the BC place event is crap.

Lets have it during the nice start of spring weather when everyone is ready to ramp up the season!!

[M_Dub]

Good thread!! It can be done!


I think it would be great if it was more of a festival atmosphere! Have some BBQ happening or something, affordably of course, and MUSIC!! How about a few sets from some up and coming local bands? Another easy thing to setup that would bring good vibes.

The key is going to be CHEAP space. That way cool small bike and clothing companies will all be able to go without having to worry very much about if they sell things
Mainly, I want to see more of the biking community getting stoked, the BC place event is crap.

Lets have it during the nice start of spring weather when everyone is ready to ramp up the season!!


good call... i personally like the indoor thing gives riders an oppurtunity to ride in a warm environment at the beginning of the season.. but a smaller venue would also suffice. and also to keep it local as easily accessible to all.

[.243racer]

I think Whistler could be a possible location?

I mean, it could be part of Crankworks? I'm sure Intrawest would be able to provide some floor space of some kind for an exhibition. The pro's would be there anyways? and it would give the companies the ability to show off the equipment (_insertnamehere_) used in his winning run.

[C.Lee]

simmons dindt make good impression.. on me taht is.. i was next to get my poster signed and he was tooo "busy" talking to his buddy i dont remember who taht woman xc rider was but yeah.. he made me wait there for a bit. =S I looked up to him but first impression.. naw.. shaums march is a great person though =)

[Del]

I dont think whistler is the answer. It is too far away for the average local and they already have crankworx and other bike related events during the season.
When we would want to have it it would still be ski season anyways.

[M_Dub]

ya the focus is big companies, local talent, whistler is too far needs to be skytrain accessible to keep the kids coming and getttin pumped
somewhere in vancouver.. pacific collosseum maybe?

[R.kelly]

you guys are retards bpottomline and if u got a prob with that danny the man brody can take up any issues. dangerous dan was there how many more pros do u need.. you selfish mtn bikers

[Del]

it would be better then BC place, but i think the key to a good show is CHEAP!
That doesnt necessarily mean small though.

[03stinkyrida]

it sounds like a great idea, i remember going to the outdoor show for the frist time about 3-4 years ago and each year it seems to go a bit more downhill. I think the demo track was a good idea but i would like to see more companies there...and more free stuff.

[Tom]

PNE Forum (aka the Showmart building)

[Trini-dad72]

PNE Forum (aka the Showmart building)

Werd, that would be a good location. It's on a major bus route, ahs lots of available parking, and it can be sized according to needs. Or, you can have one of the building used for the bike demo's and the flow show, IDNS, and DJ comp. The other building or buildings can be used for the booths and bike shop stores.

[slang]

kerrisdale arena? that's where they had metrojam in vancouver

[Madman]

Bring it to the Island :scream: .

[DaveM]

Lafarge would be a great place for something like that. Lots of space on the grass for exhibitors, lots of parking, bus route, and of course Pipeline bike park.

[SysCo.]

the show in my opinion sucked, compared to past years.
only upside was riding around nice bikes in the demo area well everything but the norcos..
i think they should have like a little slopestyle course, drop off the bleachers, alot like the gathering was....
and for god sakes, get some companies to show up other then norco. and more venders.

[SysCo.]

Lafarge would be a great place for something like that. Lots of space on the grass for exhibitors, lots of parking, bus route, and of course Pipeline bike park.


Problem A unpredictable weather.

[DaveM]

the show in my opinion sucked, compared to past years.
only upside was riding around nice bikes in the demo area well everything but the norcos..
i think they should have like a little slopestyle course, drop off the bleachers, alot like the gathering was....
and for god sakes, get some companies to show up other then norco. and more venders.

Geez, you bitch about no bike companies showing up, then bitch louder about the one company that does step up big with a full display and demo bikes. Maybe you should just stop bitching.:rolleyes:

[Gimp Pimp]

Geez, you bitch about no bike companies showing up, then bitch louder about the one company that does step up big with a full display and demo bikes. Maybe you should just stop bitching.:rolleyes:

No he has a point. Besides the riding expo it is meant as a trade show, but how can it be a trade show when so few companies show up and of those even fewer are actually selling stuff

[Taylor_P]

ive been going for 4-5 years now, and i think that this will be my last. the lack of companies showing their product was a real disappointment. the show has become more of a chance for select LBS's to sell off their left over '05 crap.

[SkunkworkS]

My house.

BBQ, pool, sauna, we can build dirt jumps on the lawn and I have a field by my place where we can set up booths. Parking lot is a 30 second walk away.

[crazy_mtb_2005]

simmons dindt make good impression.. on me taht is.. i was next to get my poster signed and he was tooo "busy" talking to his buddy i dont remember who taht woman xc rider was but yeah.. he made me wait there for a bit. =S I looked up to him but first impression.. naw.. shaums march is a great person though =)
I wanted a poster signed by gary fisher last year for my local shop, i waited while he talked to the only person at his booth for a good 20minutes before i walked off, he never even acknowledged me.

This year was a disapointment, nothing exciting, it seems to be getting worse each year.

[Gidget@nsmb.com]

Geez, you bitch about no bike companies showing up, then bitch louder about the one company that does step up big with a full display and demo bikes. Maybe you should just stop bitching.:rolleyes:


THANKYOU!! sheesh...I totally understand people being dissapointed if companies didn't show...but then to turn around and take shots at one that does seems a bit foolish to me.

re: the original suggestion...I like it - it'd be rad to have something more 'festival'-ish that could attract more interest. I think some of the dealers have tried to do something like that with their Jump comps (like JH Days) - it'd be neat to have something along those lines that wasn't necessarily shop related.

[Shocker]

simmons dindt make good impression.. on me taht is.. i was next to get my poster signed and he was tooo "busy" talking to his buddy i dont remember who taht woman xc rider was but yeah.. he made me wait there for a bit. =S I looked up to him but first impression.. naw.. shaums march is a great person though =)

who fuckin cares...

[derwood]

No he has a point. Besides the riding expo it is meant as a trade show, but how can it be a trade show when so few companies show up and of those even fewer are actually selling stuff
not a trade show.....its one big infomercial,and you all paid to watch it.

[RiotGirl587]

haha i went last yr...bought 2 bikes from on top..i was happy..tried to get out there this yr didnt happen especialy when lots of people said it sucked ass...

[redsdisease]

Maybe do a trade show type thing with vendors and all that one day and have a big contest the next day, or the other way around. That would save space and would bring more pros too.

[Nelson]

THANKYOU!! sheesh...I totally understand people being dissapointed if companies didn't show...but then to turn around and take shots at one that does seems a bit foolish to me.

re: the original suggestion...I like it - it'd be rad to have something more 'festival'-ish that could attract more interest. I think some of the dealers have tried to do something like that with their Jump comps (like JH Days) - it'd be neat to have something along those lines that wasn't necessarily shop related.

I think the whole company booth thing loses it's appeal once the merchants start shooting you in the face with elastic bands.....

[trout]

not a trade show.....its one big infomercial,and you all paid to watch it.
Bingo!

[ratherberiding]

the pacific collossuem would be a good location
i think they should have a product swap
it would be cool to see all the booths to be set up in the concourse, like they were at slam city jam(if anybody can explain, please do)
then have a competiton in the arena with a huge ski jump that comes off the bleachers and on into the course.

i think any product testing should be scheduled to take place on one of the mountains at a later date but still linked to the show.
i hope that made sense

[couch@nsmb.com]

Here is my feelings. The bike show as it now stands is horrible.

I think that a celebration of BIKES is needed. Lets get ALL the manufaturers, including, mt bike (XC, DH, Freeride), road, touring, custom builds, lowriders, trials and everything inbetween in a indoor/outdoor environment such as the plaza of nations. Mix in live bands, local celebs and a salmon BBQ.

Put on a best of "bike culture" photo contest and have a fundraiser and auction to support the NSMBA and say the North Shore Search and Rescue.

Invite the politicians that make land use decision and let them see who it is that makes up the "bicycle rider" demographic.

Have all the promoters for the years up coming races (bike and non) set up booths and advertise what they do.

Move away from the retail end of things and make it a celebration of the world's greatest invention - THE BIKE!

Couch

[Action Hero]

That's a very good idea Rich.

We need someone like you to spearhead it, get on it!

[knollybikes.com]

I totally agree.

Please see my post (#145) here:

http://bb.nsmb.com/showthread.php?p=1290710&posted=1#post1290710

Cheers!

[ratherberiding]

OR:
Have it a bc place
have a gear swap
an similar interbike theme
with a huge ski jump that came down the off the bleachers
and then when through the middle of the show with a series of overpass jumps and huge hucks (maybe a whistler style teeter step up)that continued until hitting the other side of the arena.
kinda like this
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e342/ratherberiding/kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.jpg

just like the other idea have product testing at a later day on a mountain bike still linked to the show.

*for the jump area, create a qualifying(open to the public, and pros) day before the public can access the show

*maybe have this on for a whole week during the summer
and have themes for each day. maybe a day for a conference similar to north shore credit union mountain bike confernce

edit : i love where couch is going with this

[couch@nsmb.com]

I totally agree.

Please see my post (#145) here:

http://bb.nsmb.com/showthread.php?p=1290710&posted=1#post1290710

Cheers!

I had not read your post but I feel for the small manufacturers and retailers. NORCO has the budget and magazines like NSMB can exchange ad space on the site for booth space but not the small guys like Knolly. It would be interesting if a biz model could be worked out that created free space for the exhibiters. I wonder if a large sponsor could suck up the cost of the venue along with an average entrance fee.

I am sure if the right minds got together and decided to think outside the box a plan could be put into place that worked. With the huge emphasis in the news lately on the obesity problem you would think that a government (provincial, federal or municipal or a combination of the three) grant could be found.

COuch

[knollybikes.com]

I had not read your post but I feel for the small manufacturers and retailers. NORCO has the budget and magazines like NSMB can exchange ad space on the site for booth space but not the small guys like Knolly. It would be interesting if a biz model could be worked out that created free space for the exhibiters. I wonder if a large sponsor could suck up the cost of the venue along with an average entrance fee.

I am sure if the right minds got together and decided to think outside the box a plan could be put into place that worked. With the huge emphasis in the news lately on the obesity problem you would think that a government (provincial, federal or municipal or a combination of the three) grant could be found.

COuch

Yup, something different would be nice. It doesn't have to be free - it just has to make fiscal sense - that's all. Interbike will probably cost us 4-5 times what the Advil show would have, but Interbike makes fiscal sense. Last year's Interbike was amazing - crazy busy and well attended.

Now, the Vancouver show could never be "Interbike", but it could be something different like Sea Otter. Here you have a bike festival that makes money every year, is very well attended, has an awesome race series and probably the second largest exhibitor show in the US after Interbike. It CAN be done - it will just need the right people to take the risks and make it happen.

Cheers!

Noel

[M_Dub]

pacific collossuem
get knolly, cove, norco, shimano, race face, specialized etc etc local bikes shops and stuff
a few local pros on our side
get some good local bands
possibly a radio station i.e cfox for coverage and stuff...
thats my idea

[ratherberiding]

Now, the Vancouver show could never be "Interbike", but it could be something different like Sea Otter. Here you have a bike festival that makes money every year, is very well attended, has an awesome race series and probably the second largest exhibitor show in the US after Interbike. It CAN be done - it will just need the right people to take the risks and make it happen.


And look where it would be, what i consider the mountain biking capital of the world, their couldnt be a better place.
this thing could be huge!!!

[ratherberiding]

pacific collossuem
get knolly, cove, norco, shimano, race face, specialized etc etc local bikes shops and stuff
a few local pros on our side
get some good local bands
possibly a radio station i.e cfox for coverage and stuff...
thats my idea
on a smaller scale*
it would be cool if all the shops from vancouver came together and put on a mini show, as long as they didnt get greedy and looked at it as a way to make a good buck instead of having a good time

[M_Dub]

Adopting the ideas and plans somewhat of a car show
festivalish, bbqs tents and booths and contests... easy access and a good time

[ratherberiding]

Adopting the ideas and plans somewhat of a car show
festivalish, bbqs tents and booths and contests... easy access and a good time
i think its a cool idea but its already been done if you
north shore credi union mountain bike festival

[cam@nsmb.com]

I definitely think this is worth thinking about.

Some thoughts - I don't think Whistler is the spot. I think this time of year is about right actually but maybe something at a smaller, less expensive venue and have it be bike only. Maybe even 20 and 26.

[brian]

Here is my feelings. The bike show as it now stands is horrible.

I think that a celebration of BIKES is needed. Lets get ALL the manufaturers, including, mt bike (XC, DH, Freeride), road, touring, custom builds, lowriders, trials and everything inbetween in a indoor/outdoor environment such as the plaza of nations. Mix in live bands, local celebs and a salmon BBQ.

Put on a best of "bike culture" photo contest and have a fundraiser and auction to support the NSMBA and say the North Shore Search and Rescue.

Invite the politicians that make land use decision and let them see who it is that makes up the "bicycle rider" demographic.

Have all the promoters for the years up coming races (bike and non) set up booths and advertise what they do.

Move away from the retail end of things and make it a celebration of the world's greatest invention - THE BIKE!

Couch

I think what you guys are talking about is something like this - http://www.cascade.org/EandR/expo/visitor.cfm

I actually thought more about driving down to this then going the 10 blocks to BC place. ( it was too nice out and went to neither).

I travel to a few trade shows and outdoor events each year and I think as far as events go the Ouray Ice Festival www.ourayicefestival.com in Colorado as it dialed. Good representation of companies, people can easily demo gear and a high caliber of athletes that compete in the comp as well as do free clinics for anyone who signs up. (they're usually sold out well in advance). Every night there's usually 1 or 2 slide shows after dinner followed by a party. $30 bucks gets who all the Fat Tire you can drink in a weekend.

[couch@nsmb.com]

I think what you guys are talking about is something like this - http://www.cascade.org/EandR/expo/visitor.cfm

I actually thought more about driving down to this then going the 10 blocks to BC place. ( it was too nice out and went to neither).

I travel to a few trade shows and outdoor events each year and I think as far as events go the Ouray Ice Festival www.ourayicefestival.com in Colorado as it dialed. Good representation of companies, people can easily demo gear and a high caliber of athletes that compete in the comp as well as do free clinics for anyone who signs up. (they're usually sold out well in advance). Every night there's usually 1 or 2 slide shows after dinner followed by a party. $30 bucks gets who all the Fat Tire you can drink in a weekend.

The Seattle Bike Expo is what I am talking about. Just make it Canadian and make a (much) better website.

[Trini-dad72]

You guys are totally on the right track, and I have to say that this needs to be done! The Outdoor show is done, a new show/expo needs to rise and prosper.

I know that it will take a lot of planning and work, if there is anything that I can do to help, I will. I'll be in school staring Sept, but untill then I can help out somehow.

[JCL]

simmons dindt make good impression.. on me taht is.. i was next to get my poster signed and he was tooo "busy" talking to his buddy i dont remember who taht woman xc rider was but yeah.. he made me wait there for a bit. =S I looked up to him but first impression.. naw.. shaums march is a great person though =)

I waited four months for a reply to an email I sent to Darren Beercloth. Finally his Mum replied and she said he was busy :???:

[connor]

I think what you guys are talking about is something like this - http://www.cascade.org/EandR/expo/visitor.cfm

I actually thought more about driving down to this then going the 10 blocks to BC place. ( it was too nice out and went to neither).

I travel to a few trade shows and outdoor events each year and I think as far as events go the Ouray Ice Festival www.ourayicefestival.com in Colorado as it dialed. Good representation of companies, people can easily demo gear and a high caliber of athletes that compete in the comp as well as do free clinics for anyone who signs up. (they're usually sold out well in advance). Every night there's usually 1 or 2 slide shows after dinner followed by a party. $30 bucks gets who all the Fat Tire you can drink in a weekend.

^^ that's some tasty beer. Actually all New Belgium Brewing beers are awesome.. http://www.newbelgium.com/

[BrianPark]

I waited four months for a reply to an email I sent to Darren Beercloth. Finally his Mum replied and she said he was busy :???:
Poor lil fella. Did you count the hours?

[C.Lee]

I waited four months for a reply to an email I sent to Darren Beercloth. Finally his Mum replied and she said he was busy :???:

his mom did..? lol tahts pretty gay.. anywyas... yeah.. simmons thing was pretty disapointing. but tahts ok. shaums march made up for it =):rocker:

[Couch_Surfer]

When Grouse had the MTB World cup, we had a good shot at a cool festival type thing going. I remember the year we (my wife, me, several friends) met at the yellow gate and rode the switchbacks all the way to the top. Parked the bikes, watched the downhill, had some lunch, saw the Ryan Leech demo, watched some downhill and generally hung out with 'the crowd'. Spent the whole day at that and it's still something I remember fondly (even the frigging Vancouver Monsoon that killed everyone)

Bring that back. Open it up to small and large companies and get the vibe again... that's where this thing needs to head to make it cool again. It's biking. Make it outdoors, make it chill, make it fun. I don't want to drive to a friggin indoor arena, eat a shitty hot dog and think about the 20$ parking all day.

[knollybikes.com]

When Grouse had the MTB World cup, we had a good shot at a cool festival type thing going. I remember the year we (my wife, me, several friends) met at the yellow gate and rode the switchbacks all the way to the top. Parked the bikes, watched the downhill, had some lunch, saw the Ryan Leech demo, watched some downhill and generally hung out with 'the crowd'. Spent the whole day at that and it's still something I remember fondly (even the frigging Vancouver Monsoon that killed everyone)

Bring that back. Open it up to small and large companies and get the vibe again... that's where this thing needs to head to make it cool again. It's biking. Make it outdoors, make it chill, make it fun. I don't want to drive to a friggin indoor arena, eat a shitty hot dog and think about the 20$ parking all day.

The main problem with that venue (from a manufacturer's perspective) is the poor placement of the industry area. It needs to be between the parking and the gondola to catch the foot traffic. Being after the gondola, very few people ventured there.


You guys are totally on the right track, and I have to say that this needs to be done! The Outdoor show is done, a new show/expo needs to rise and prosper.

I know that it will take a lot of planning and work, if there is anything that I can do to help, I will. I'll be in school staring Sept, but untill then I can help out somehow.


And, the other problem is that something like this takes a MASSIVE amount of organization. One person putting in a few weekend hours won't make it happen. it will pretty much be a full time job for someone or several months of work for a small group of people. And, who's going to quite their job and not make a salary to do this? That's the problem. If you want a demo area, you need insurance. You need someone to build the demo area, you need security to ensure that the bikes don't leave the demo area and you need first aid on hand. Then you need a place to put the exhibitors. If it's outside, then you better make sure that everyone has tents, probably power (for music, lights, heaters, etc...) and other resources. You need food and beverage providers. You need show security and a way to get people in and out of the show.

Something that doesn't cost much for the exhibitors or the attendees would be very cool, but then how do the organizers get paid for their work. It is a very tough thing to pull off. I have no doubt that the right people can do it - it just takes the right people to do it!

And yes, New Belgium beer is yummy - especially their 1554 black ale!

[Rat]

why not take it outdoors where we actually ride bikes. sometime in may would be good.

Big tents to keep people dry, Bike races, bands.....

perfect location would be the the demonstration forest by capilano.

[CraigH]

What about moving a festival similar to the Grouse WC to the newest NS mountain with lift access, Cypress?

They have the parking area & most of the infrastructure is already there.

Are there any DH races scheduled up there this year that could be tied into a expo/festival type event?

[DaveM]

What about moving a festival similar to the Grouse WC to the newest NS mountain with lift access, Cypress?

They have the parking area & most of the infrastructure is already there.

Are there any DH races scheduled up there this year that could be tied into a expo/festival type event?

I was just thinking that same thing Craig. Cypress (if/when it re-opens) would be perfect. Tons of room, bike park right there for demos. Food, beer, washrooms. I can't really think of a better place. Get the Flow Show up there, and some temp DJ's built. It's win/win for Cypress.

[Kootenay Hack]

I think Couch is really onto it here. Here we are, in arguably the mountain bike mecca of the world and we can't even get the community to come out and celebrate the bicycle and our way of life. This show should be huge for cycling in general and there is no reason why it can't be!

I won't criticize companies for not coming out, as we know the logistics don't add up, but I can't help but wonder what we have to do to have Rocky, Kona, Cove, Banshee, Knolly, Brodie, Race Face, Hoots, Beastgear, PDC, Transition, and any other local companies to be at the show. These companies should be there and the show organizers need to figure out a way to get them there.

As someone with a little bit of a different perspective, particpating in the events to some degree and having a booth, I have a question. Why is it that at 6pm, EVERYONE gets kicked out? I know they have security but it sure would be nice if some of the industry people who throw down the money to be there were able to stick around and hang out, rather than get kicked out like everyone else? We get together with all of these people from the industry and we don't even get to spend any time together.... This needs to be exlpored. So... back to Rich's points.

Why don't we change the show from a daytime family thing, that competes with the weather and little Johnny's soccer practise, to a 3-9pm show, with a beer garden for adults, VIP lounge for industry to schmooze and some live bands for everyone to enjoy? This way we can enjoy the weather AND the show! We have enough cyclists here to have a bike only show. It's kind of pathetic that we are partnered with Golf and Adventure Tourism. I see some ties, but c'mon. We live in THE best place to ride bikes in the world and we have to rely on golf. No wonder we are still spinning in circles. Time for a leap of faith....

my two cents.

DB

[CraigH]

Myself along with a bunch of other local riders drove almost 20 hours each way to go to the Fruita Fat Tire festival last year. Some of them have been going down for almost all of the 10 years this festival has been going on.

I had so much fun last year that I'm heading back down there again this spring and taking my wife.
(Pics from the trip http://photobucket.com/albums/y213/outridingmybike/2005_FFTF/ )

There was even a crew from the UK who had made the trip over for the festival.

I've also heard good things about the Moab Fat Tire Festival in the fall, although I haven't been to that one.

Do something like these events and people will be coming from all over the world to attend.

As others have mentioned, hooking this event up to the North Shore Mountain Bike Festival would help everyone.

PS, Fruita has a population of ~6800 as of July 2004.

[Bryce]

someplace indoors, thats cheap to rent in March, thats on or near a skytrain stn would be ideal. It could even be in surrey or coq if that would lower the rent

[Couch_Surfer]

Craig's on the right track - make it about riders coming together to ride (and party) and the sponsors will want to be there to hawk their wares.

Bryce - Couldn't disagree more. Part of the problem with the current show is that it's indoors and not interesting - how does moving it to another indoor location (just less centrally located) change the prospect?

[CraigH]

Hey, a new game, where is Couch Surfer?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/outridingmybike/2005_FFTF/Day_8_Saturday_Grand_Junction/A564797-R1-023-10.jpg

For bonus points, spot the UK guys.

[BrianPark]

Bryce - Couldn't disagree more. Part of the problem with the current show is that it's indoors and not interesting - how does moving it to another indoor location (just less centrally located) change the prospect?
While Bryce's idea is silly IMHO, this kind of thing needs to be indoors. This like, the rain capital of the world. Something that will require a ton of planning can't rest on hopes of clear skies and warm weather.

[knollybikes.com]

Hey, a new game, where is Couch Surfer?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/outridingmybike/2005_FFTF/Day_8_Saturday_Grand_Junction/A564797-R1-023-10.jpg

For bonus points, spot the UK guys.

Hey Craig:

Do you have a picture of Mark (?) who pounded back that mickey of Jack Daniels after riding his single speed UP and then DOWN the ribbon trail?

Here's another one of Couch Surfer doing his best to convince us he doesn't have an alcohol problem :)

[knollybikes.com]

Here's some other nice desert riding pics from last year's Fruita Fat Tire Festival in Western Colorado. Notice how nice and sunny it is in the desert!

[synchro]

lol - pic number two, that's shamefull.

[knollybikes.com]

lol - pic number two, that's shamefull.

Ha ha - do you think the BC crowd joined in the walk down?

(open the pic for the answer :)

This picture is from pete fagerlin's site:

more from the trip here:

http://www.petefagerlin.com/fftf05.htm

Cheers!

[BrianPark]

http://www.petefagerlin.com/images/fftf05/_PSF1518.jpg
Damn.... (This is my positive hippie brah moment of the week. Shut up Mark.)

[Couch_Surfer]

Hey, a new game, where is Couch Surfer?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/outridingmybike/2005_FFTF/Day_8_Saturday_Grand_Junction/A564797-R1-023-10.jpg

For bonus points, spot the UK guys.

LOL - uh oh, it's break out the bad photos of board members time again.

[synchro]

aha! much better. i think if all those seats came down tho people might be surprised what they could do on their bikes.

thanks for the link noel


bwahahahahahah for the "mad hucking canadain" ken.

mr neave would shudder in his boots to be called that.

[Couch_Surfer]

Here's another one of Couch Surfer doing his best to convince us he doesn't have an alcohol problem :)

REBUTTAL:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Couch_Surfer/el_working_time.jpg

[knollybikes.com]

REBUTTAL:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Couch_Surfer/el_working_time.jpg


Ya, sometimes you just have to love being your own boss :)

Thanks for being my pusher!

[Couch_Surfer]

you think you are your own boss do you? i'll wager your wife doesn't see it that way.

[CraigH]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/anothermelbournite/derail.jpg


Do you have a picture of Mark (?) who pounded back that mickey of Jack Daniels after riding his single speed UP and then DOWN the ribbon trail?


No, apparently he spent the Clunker Crit sleeping it off in Pete's truck before they drove back to SF.

Edit: he is the guy on the right in this pic.
http://www.petefagerlin.com/images/fftf05/_PSF1609.jpg
& this pic:
http://www.petefagerlin.com/images/fftf05/_PSF1613.jpg

[synchro]

no doubt craig. what's with this knolly guy thinking he can derail a thread like that?

[CraigH]

http://www.mwnews.net/assets/images/Marquette-RR-derail-lg.jpg

LOL - uh oh, it's break out the bad photos of board members time again.

Okay, so I'm not playing favourites, which one of these guys is Dr.KnollyBikes.com ?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/outridingmybike/2005_FFTF/Day_8_Saturday_Grand_Junction/A564797-R1-025-11.jpg

[Tonestar]

I think Whistler could be a possible location?

I mean, it could be part of Crankworks? I'm sure Intrawest would be able to provide some floor space of some kind for an exhibition. The pro's would be there anyways? and it would give the companies the ability to show off the equipment (_insertnamehere_) used in his winning run.

Intrawest provide space, that's a good one. The cost for a 10x20 pit area in the big gravel parking lot was huge, let alone space at the bottom of the mountain, for Crankworks.

[DaveM]

Okay, so I'm not playing favourites, which one of these guys is Dr.KnollyBikes.com ?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/outridingmybike/2005_FFTF/Day_8_Saturday_Grand_Junction/A564797-R1-025-11.jpg

I'd wager it's the guy just about to tilt one wearing the Sombrio jersey. Not that I've ever met Noel, it's just that its the exact same riding apparel he was wearing in the T.O.M. when I got a shot of him a couple years ago. Don't you ever change that stuff?

[Couch_Surfer]

I'd wager it's the guy just about to tilt one wearing the Sombrio jersey. Not that I've ever met Noel, it's just that its the exact same riding apparel he was wearing in the T.O.M. when I got a shot of him a couple years ago. Don't you ever change that stuff?

If he asks you to smell his arm-warmers, back away quickly.