Outdoor Show - Your Thoughts

[Pedal Power]

What Was Your Thoughts On It?

I think that there wasnt enough MTB booths , but the street ramps and ladders were pritty cool , Your Take?

[andyy]

riley was robbed

[Kyle "No Way" Wilcox]

alex stathis apperntly got pretty gnarly thats my thought

[BrianPark]

The announcer (Darren Butler?) sure likes to say athleticism, and doesn't know what a turndown is.

PS. Riley WAS robbed!

[IFO]

BOO... to all the LBS's and brands that didnt show up yet again...

8-(

this is the home of the North shore we deserve a fricken bike expo that suits this venue...

[Seal]

I Too was very disappointed at the lack of local Bike shop participation and lack of reperesentation from the bike manufactures. Very lttle variety of swag and stuf for slale etc.

[Flow]

alex stathis apperntly got pretty gnarly thats my thought
my thought is kyle wilcox never even looked to find me yesterday :nolove:

[Tom]

BOO... to all the LBS's and brands that didnt show up yet again...

8-(

this is the home of the North shore we deserve a fricken bike expo that suits this venue...

I'd bet the cost of the booth doesn't justify the business they'd receive because of it.

[Universe]

BOO... to all the LBS's and brands that didnt show up yet again...

8-(

this is the home of the North shore we deserve a fricken bike expo that suits this venue...

Don't get too greedy eh...

[DaveM]

I'd bet the cost of the booth doesn't justify the business they'd receive because of it.

I'll go with that one. I spoke to the Overtime guys about that last year, they said it was pretty rich to get a booth.

[Kyle "No Way" Wilcox]

my thought is kyle wilcox never even looked to find me yesterday :nolove:

yeah kyle wilcox crashed and busted his nose and stopped riding cuz hes a big pussy

[Bridges!!!]

Riley Was Robbed!!! He Deserved To Win Both Contests

[michelin man]

last years was way better

[ATN]

Found it interesting that Norco could afford to park both the truck and trailer in the expo area....

Demo area was a good idea, but I wish they cut the posts on the Specialized's.

[shirk]

What a freaking joke the was. Being new to Vancouver I expected way more.
Van has a huge riding community and tons of local manufactures. It has to be the largest bike market in Canada. I expected to see all the manufactures with booths full of gear. Norco was the only one. WTF. Is there an actual "Bike Show" at another time where all the manufactures and LBS go all out? The bloody Toronoto show is bigger and thar ain't saying much. I want my ten dollars back.

[Battlecat]

i think the jumps and coarse layout is much better then last year

[Dantes Inferno]

Since I was admited for only $3.25 I cant complain. But it was no where near as good as it was the years featuring the indoor shore. Watching kids to X-ups and tables a couple hundred times gets boring expecially since there were only a few bike booths and I got tired wandering through the norco maze. The only cool thing was I got to try out a couple Specialized Enduros and a Dark Cycles Scarab. The HUKK bike booth was also sweet.

[Taylor_P]

ive gotta say i was disappointed. there was a lack of manufacture presence and the whole event seemed to have a less then energetic feel that this sport should reflect. the jump set up was pretty good but the little street course was out in no where ville. i liked the demo track idea. all in all though each year it seams like the bike show gets smaller and smaller.

[buddylee]

I bet alot more companies would show up if the organizers fees weren't so high.Last year On Top paid $ 6000 for their space ! Kinda crazy for a 20 x 20 for 2 1/2 days !!! Small bike industry companies cant affod that !

[J.Duncan]

I thought the setup was good, I was to pussie to hit the first jump so i just messed around on the boxes. I agree that there should have been more shops with booths.

[Bridges!!!]

They really need to get rid of the skatepark and put the flow show back, as well as bigger dirtjumps.

[Rosscofat]

i did not go but hey sounds like I didnt miss much!

[biking_cam]

i think that the course looked fun but i didnt bring my bike:( although i enjoyed testing out some bikes. (norco six size small is actually really smooth)

[Jaysin]

I've been havin a good time

[Jaysin]

and I took pics of Brian Park:lol:

[knowles]

The 15$ for parking was ridiculous.

[Jaysin]

I took the bus into town, haha

[Trini-dad72]

Werd, I found Jaysin, and Amanda, Jim, and my friends Daen, and Billy. I met Troup, and a few others too. I had an allright time. Talked to Elladee, and Lisa for a bit at the Shimano booth. It is true though... There were not enough bike company's in attendance. I find that deplorable, and silly. Have we fallen "out of style" now? We need to have a much better show, we deserve one!!!

Jaysin, I'll call you tomorrow, Elaine really wants to hook up for dinner!!!

[atb]

there wernt enuf drops.

[.243racer]

Jaysin, I'll call you tomorrow, Elaine really wants to hook up for dinner!!!

;) sounds like you got some competition!



jokes. jokes.

[hooli]

you are all insane for going to a bike show when the riding is unreal....

[BrianPark]

Yesterdays word was "athleticism", and while that came up like a lot today, the word of the day was definately "manuellll" (not manual, manuellll).

[Emmens]

I miss Dangerous Dan. :(

-StuKen

[schoenrock]

you are all insane for going to a bike show when the riding is unreal....
thats how i looked at it, i was planning on showing up late afternoon but "another run" sounded better.

[seen44]

pretty sad i didnt see troup

[Desloc]

Were Brodie, Banshee, Devinci or Rocky there?

How about Giant, Trek, Cannondale and Kona?

Maybe Transition or Iron Horse?

All I hear is Shimano and Norco.


Well thanks for saving me the trip tomorrow... I'm going riding :)


Des

[Emmens]

I doubt that it's really worth it for the companies to pay $XXXX to have a bunch of kids ask them for free stickers for a couple days.

Friday was fun, saturday was not.

-Mark

[slang]

Friday was definately sweet. The riding vibe was amazing and everyone was having a good time.

Today (saturday), I hate to be negative about it, but it kinda sucked. Way bigger crowd, everyone was serious, less tricks. I dont like admitting this but watching people get really serious and afraid to fall infront of a crowd and do tables all day gets kinda boring. And boring doesnt help the sport publicly.

It took me 5 minutes to walk around all the booths and check everything out pretty much. By far the COOLEST booth was the chinese guy selling those heating pads where you press in a button and they heat up chemically. SO FREAKING DOPE. ask stuart!! the booth is near the main entrance, definately check his stuff out if you go tomorrow!

I doubt I'm gonna go back tomorrow, being inside at an "outdoor" show doesnt make sense.

[cdn_rider]

What about a race format ? little 4x indoors maybe a little dual slalom ? bmx style .... the show sucked to tell the truth... not takeing away from the sick jump session and one hit wonder contest but that would be there if only Norco and Shimano showed up .... they gotta have a way to make the show simpler maybe take it outta the super expensive BC place and put it into a smaller venue .... make it so the small guys pay like $400 for a standard booth and make the big guys who want the room pay for it as well ... but keep it real in price .... i would have loved to see Tranistion bike there or Cove or on top etc etc etc ... im sure they would come if it was 400 to $800 to have a booth ... what does that = well more fun for us ... more free stuff ... love getting stickers and swag ... im sure there would be alot more of that as well if it didn't cost $10,000 for a booth .... it ends up costing us which in truth ends up costing the bike industrie ... i love checing out the new product and info new magazines new videos ... cheap parts... sick riding... im not going next year if it doesn't shape up to be a better for the people type show .... i got a $25 headset a $25 idun hat and a couple free stickers ... oh ya a free power bar as well .... not impressed .... on the plus side i got to see my buddie Mark @ norco and found out his wife is Pregners .... congrads ....

[BrianPark]

i would have loved to see Tranistion bike there or Cove or on top etc etc etc ... im sure they would come if it was 400 to $800 to have a booth.
I don't know how the pricing works, but a small clothing company I know got a booth for a comparable number.

Anyways yeah, BC Place is lame. I had fun on friday though.

[SubPlop]

I'd bet the cost of the booth doesn't justify the business they'd receive because of it.

Ya Id agree with that too.

The jumping was sweet, nice to watch my buddies send er.

chad

[Emmens]

Today (saturday), I hate to be negative about it, but it kinda sucked.

Wasn't I telling you like an hour ago to stop being so negative all the time?

-Mark

[SubPlop]

Oh ya, seeing Brian Park with his due and that jacket on was a treat, kinda weird at the same time though.

Saw a lot of riders that I recognized through this site.

chad

[Emmens]

It took me 5 minutes to walk around all the booths and check everything out pretty much. By far the COOLEST booth was the chinese guy selling those heating pads where you press in a button and they heat up chemically. SO FREAKING DOPE. ask stuart!! the booth is near the main entrance, definately check his stuff out if you go tomorrow!



Dude, those things were soooooo cool. If only I could afford to spend more money. :(

-StuKen

[slang]

Dude, those things were soooooo cool. If only I could afford to spend more money. :(

-StuKen

$12.50 man!!!!!

[eryn]

i was really dissapointed.. although for me being in the adventure tourism industry i found the other half of the adventure show great for networking.. i just cant belive i forgot to bring business cards!!

Although i must say my view might of been altered by the sour dissposition i was in from having my bag with a change of clothes, hairbrush and toothbrush somewhere between the show and ladner.... nothing like still in the clothes you wore out to the bar the day before

[couch@nsmb.com]

Was PB there?

[michelin man]

ya overall it was very dissapointing

[IFO]

Was PB there?

NEGATIVE....

8-(

[stubz]

my thoughs were it was freaking sweet to ride, but alll the booths sucked..there was like 6 bike related ones and the rest were crap and there waasnt enough stickers but i had a blast

[Emmens]

NEGATIVE....

8-(


Yeah no kidding, I was really looking forward to throwing my shoe at Radek Burket.

-StuKen

[Gidget@nsmb.com]

personally, I always look forward to the show because it's a chance to see everyone after the winter (I board in the winter although I know tons of you ride all year round).

If you're coming down tomorrow and you haven't stopped by the Norco booth yet, make sure you stop by and say 'HI'. :D

[onepunch]

personally, I always look forward to the show because it's a chance to see everyone after the winter (I board in the winter although I know tons of you ride all year round).

If you're coming down tomorrow and you haven't stopped by the Norco booth yet, make sure you stop by and say 'HI'. :D
i did not see any one at any booth that looked awake enoughto say hi.....major disa pointment i did enjoy the norco line, and the dudes jumping. basically it was an hour that i will struggle to get back.

[M_Dub]

i met alot of cool people, not once was i called mike... only mdub :( lol...but thats cool, i had a really good time didnt do much of a walk around

[Lady Gravity]

personally, I always look forward to the show because it's a chance to see everyone after the winter (I board in the winter although I know tons of you ride all year round).

If you're coming down tomorrow and you haven't stopped by the Norco booth yet, make sure you stop by and say 'HI'. :D


those bikes were sweet, i sure hope i win that jersey :D

i was kind of disappointed at the show as well. maybe the venue is wrong? too bad we can't have something decent to rep the north shore.

[AnTi-TrAiL_nAzI]

i met alot of cool people, not once was i called mike... only mdub :( lol...but thats cool, i had a really good time didnt do much of a walk around
hey! i called you mike! god damnit! :rocker:

[Trini-dad72]

Gidget, I too look forward to the show each year as well, but this year was just pointless. Like I said before, I gott to see people and have some great chts with various folks but overall the show was just not what it could be, and that is dissapointing.

[M_Dub]

we need this years attention to bike show with 2-3 years ago bike booths

[Testy]

Cool Houseboat.

[axx]

i met alot of cool people, not once was i called mike... only mdub :( lol...but thats cool, i had a really good time didnt do much of a walk around


I said Hi...HI!!!!

[Skidmark]

I bought a couple of those chemical heating pads at last year's show. I think I've used them twice in the time, it's kind of a pain in the ass to get them ready to use again.

[baloom]

i always look forward to the show though sometimes i do wonder if i should just go riding.

Last year would have been a write-off if it had not been for the Danone yogurt guy giving away tastey treats like a madman. This year I stayed home and did go riding.

While it is expensive for exhibitors to be at these shows, their presence and some excellent entertainment should serve to get our collective "riding-stoke" on. If the whole thing works, we all ride more, break more stuff and part with more dough. Perhaps the present format isn't working anymore and needs to be dumped.

[C.Lee]

I personally hated the show too.. it really sucked comapred to alst year.. only really noticeable booths are norco / shimano / hukk and some .243 azonic kinda stuff.... i remember seeing haro too.. but not enough bike companies.. overtime did have some sweet deals same with bikeroom.. i picke dup fox jersey for 35 bucks.. show was ok but they just had too much of same tricks over and over and darren butler and his "athleticism" goign on and on.. on friday. I remember seeing M_dub for sure.. I never tested any of those bikes though.. this year is def dissapointing.. and nsmb was there... aweeeesome.

p.s. whats up with bikeroom and having lots of kids running the shop? and one adult

[BrianPark]

darren butler and his "athleticism" goign on and on..
DB at the ODC with CD.

[BrianPark]

i met alot of cool people, not once was i called mike... only mdub
I definately called you Mike. Thanks for remembering you jerk.

[M_Dub]

ya thats true, there were a select few that did call me by my name...
alot of you jerks are nicer than i thought
hahaha

[cameron]

ya thats true, there were a select few that did call me by my name...
alot of you jerks are nicer than i thought
hahaha

we yelled mike every 3 minutes. you couldnt have forgotten already.. :o

[M_Dub]

we yelled mike every 3 minutes. you couldnt have forgotten already.. :o


i toned you and ryan out after probably the 100th time

[cameron]

p.s. this years show was pretty limited booth wise, but it was a pretty chill time. i met alot of new faces.. :

brian park (oh man.. :lol:.. stuck in the 80's I see)
troop (um.. yeah. how old are you?)
jaysin (subway what?)
brent (met him last year, but still a cool guy)
david lang (looks exactly how i imagined him off nsmb)
axx (wasnt the first time, but chill guy)
axx's girlfriend.. (too many jokes made)
mdubs girlfriend.. (too many jokes to be had)
nelson (wasnt the first time also, but he's missing his cast :eek: )

then the normal people, but I was happy to meet all you new guys.

[cameron]

i toned you and ryan out after probably the 100th time

NOT nice.

you're in my bad books now.

[M_Dub]

atleast i brought my girlfriend cam!!
lol and ur jealous of my bike... enough of the mdub hating..
dont make me start with the jeet jokes

[axx]

p.s. this years show was pretty limited booth wise, but it was a pretty chill time. i met alot of new faces.. :

brian park (oh man.. :lol:.. stuck in the 80's I see)
troop (um.. yeah. how old are you?)
jaysin (subway what?)
brent (met him last year, but still a cool guy)
david lang (looks exactly how i imagined him off nsmb)
axx (wasnt the first time, but chill guy)
axx's girlfriend.. (too many jokes made)
mdubs girlfriend.. (too many jokes to be had)
nelson (wasnt the first time also, but he's missing his cast :eek: )

then the normal people, but I was happy to meet all you new guys.

Hey you leave my girlfriend alone! haha.. that goes for the fat one more than anything.

But on a serious note ive loved the show so far... the booths are boring.. other that annoying them and asking for free stickers and getting really excited when they have them.

The riding is what has made it for me.. Friday was definatley awsome, I also had lots of fun saturday too. But david is right, you guys need to start crashing more! I had two runs to the medical place in a row and it was pretty sick

[M_Dub]

Hey you leave my girlfriend alone! haha.. that goes for the fat one more than anything.

But on a serious note ive loved the show so far... the booths are boring.. other that annoying them and asking for free stickers and getting really excited when they have them.

The riding is what has made it for me.. Friday was definatley awsome, I also had lots of fun saturday too. But david is right, you guys need to start crashing more! I had two runs to the medical place in a row and it was pretty sick

"...*snifff* mike...theres...*sniff* dust, in my noothhhsse *sniff*"
*as blood streams down ur face*

haha that was classic

[Kyle "No Way" Wilcox]

The riding is what has made it for me.. Friday was definatley awsome, I also had lots of fun saturday too. But david is right, you guys need to start crashing more! I had two runs to the medical place in a row and it was pretty sick


ahhaha
did anyone see my crash earlyish on friday? no foot can to clip to direct faceplant with no hands to chafed up face/busted nose/double nostril bleeder?

[BrianPark]

p.s. this years show was pretty limited booth wise, but it was a pretty chill time. i met alot of new faces.. :

brian park (oh man.. :lol:.. stuck in the 80's I see)
troop (um.. yeah. how old are you?)
jaysin (subway what?)
brent (met him last year, but still a cool guy)
david lang (looks exactly how i imagined him off nsmb)
axx (wasnt the first time, but chill guy)
axx's girlfriend.. (too many jokes made)
mdubs girlfriend.. (too many jokes to be had)
nelson (wasnt the first time also, but he's missing his cast :eek: )

then the normal people, but I was happy to meet all you new guys.
Unless my memory is missing, you definately did not meet me.

[Emmens]

Andy Chung had his pants removed by the medical staff in a secret room.

-Mark

[DangerBoy]

I didn't go

[BrianPark]

ahhaha
did anyone see my crash earlyish on friday? no foot can to clip to direct faceplant with no hands to chafed up face/busted nose/double nostril bleeder?
http://tuff.alienrhino.com/indoorshow06/12indoorshow.JPG

[cameron]

Unless my memory is missing, you definately did not meet me.

my defination of "meet" is watch you walk past me.

[Emmens]

my defination of "meet" is watch you walk past me.

That's known as "saw."

-Mark

[Faithless]

I heard there was some kid walking around with brass knuckles.

[BrianPark]

I heard there was some kid walking around with brass knuckles.
Was it Dylan King? ahaha

[shane_s20]

brian this is my new background

http://photos.nsmb.com/files/2/3/4/9/4/02-11-06008.jpg

haha

[Kootenay Hack]

The announcer (Darren Butler?) sure likes to say athleticism, and doesn't know what a turndown is.

PS. Riley WAS robbed!

Dude, I'm just trying to give credit to all you guys. The crowd thinks you are all a bunch of thugs. Remember, one day I could be calling your shots...

I am completely aware of a turndown Brian, just as I am aware of a real bad attempt at attention.

We are all just doing the best that we can, as volunteers.

DB

[BrianPark]

Dude, I'm just trying to give credit to all you guys. The crowd thinks you are all a bunch of thugs. Remember, one day I could be calling your shots...

I am completely aware of a turndown Brian, just as I am aware of a real bad attempt at attention.

We are all just doing the best that we can, as volunteers.

DB
Whoah it's DB in the NSMB with BP.

Anyways, it's cool that you volunteer, but I thought my head was going to explode if you said manuelll, ATTACK THE COURSE, or athleticism one more time. Next year I should announce. ahaha

Oh also, I'm pretty sure the crowd is right. We are a bunch of thugs. Especially me, I kill people on an hourly basis for drug money.

PS.
"Well today I leave the psycho ward
Cause my sentence did conclude:
I had killed a man with my bare hands
Because he called me dude"

PPS. Shane, hell yeah. ahahaha

[R.kelly]

brian park... wow

darren did a great job and if anyone is gonig to co-announce its brad mckay. if your stepped to the mic im pretty sure half the place would walk out, not to mention think everyone was a complete joke.

[MOUNTAIN BIKEING!]

Mountain biking is a pretty intence thing actualy eversince they decided to take there front breaks off everyone has been replacing a fun smile with an angry grin to get it done. And im pretty sure if brad mckay was on the mic i would stay there for the rest of my life because hed throw down some silldybilldys and THESE GUYS! but at least he wouldnt make refences to shock towers. FRONT BREAKS SUCK! im gonna buy a mountain bike and take the front break off it this summer for whistler living

[BrianPark]

brian park... wow

darren did a great job and if anyone is gonig to co-announce its brad mckay. if your stepped to the mic im pretty sure half the place would walk out, not to mention think everyone was a complete joke.
I think your predictions are about right.
So I have the job? Cool.

[BrianPark]

Mountain biking is a pretty intence thing actualy eversince they decided to take there front breaks off everyone has been replacing a fun smile with an angry grin to get it done.
Apparently you didn't see Ian Nelson out there.

[C.Lee]

I forgot to buy bro card... damn.

[MOUNTAIN BIKEING!]

Apparently you didn't see Ian Nelson out there.

no i only see preston blackie in videos so i dont see anyone else other than him and like some guy named the hacksaw jim nugget

[.Robinson]

Willy Troup!!!!

[R.kelly]

im pretty sure jc took care of troup.

"TROUP"
turns around.
"FUCK YOU !"

[.Robinson]

im pretty sure jc took care of troup.

"TROUP"
turns around.
"FUCK YOU !"
aAHAHHAHAH

[slang]

I bought a couple of those chemical heating pads at last year's show. I think I've used them twice in the time, it's kind of a pain in the ass to get them ready to use again.

what do you have to do to get them ready again?

[BrianPark]

im pretty sure jc took care of troup.

"TROUP"
turns around.
"FUCK YOU !"
I never thought I'd be saying this, but that's actually kinda mean.

[connor]

what do you have to do to get them ready again?

Are those the ones with the little disc in them? If you you have to boil the shit out of them for like 10min in a pot of water..

[michelin man]

my question is where is cove?
if you looked at the comps a good share of the riders where riding coves.
MTB booths <or lack there of>were pretty bad
i have to agree with IFO this is the frickin northshore why is the bikeshow crap.

[slang]

Friday was definately sweet. The riding vibe was amazing and everyone was having a good time.

Today (saturday), I hate to be negative about it, but it kinda sucked. Way bigger crowd, everyone was serious, less tricks. I dont like admitting this but watching people get really serious and afraid to fall infront of a crowd and do tables all day gets kinda boring. And boring doesnt help the sport publicly.

It took me 5 minutes to walk around all the booths and check everything out pretty much. By far the COOLEST booth was the chinese guy selling those heating pads where you press in a button and they heat up chemically. SO FREAKING DOPE. ask stuart!! the booth is near the main entrance, definately check his stuff out if you go tomorrow!

I doubt I'm gonna go back tomorrow, being inside at an "outdoor" show doesnt make sense.

i've just remembered what jsinclair has taught me abt giving problems and not solutions:

i think biking should seperate itself entirely from the outdoor show in general. the attendence at the show was hopeless (probably cuz of high entrance fee and parking fee etc) and really didnt do THAT much for getting the public into biking. we need a show seperate from all this corporate crap to call our own, held in an open air area. there's a risk of it raining, but i still think it makes more sense to have an "outdoor biking" show... outdoors.

dont charge people a ridiculous entrance fee. make it open space, and even if the location isnt as awsome as the bc place, i'm pretty sure people will still come. cheaper rent = cheaper booths = more shop/company attendence = actual deals and people who will spend money.

in terms of the riding, even with 2 kickers, a wallride, and piles of dirt with mats on top for landings, pretty much everyone who was riding was having fun. you dont really have to give that much to the riders, just a decent, rideable set up and they'll be happy. theyre more stoked on riding with people they've never ridden with before and having their levels pushed. plus, if the event is held outdoors, trucking in/manipulating the dirt will be easier.

yes, i really hate having to be indoors on blue bird days.

[andyy]

Darren Butler did a wicked job of announcing because he made fun of riley's pants. Rawk on.

[slang]

Whoah it's DB in the NSMB with BP.

Anyways, it's cool that you volunteer, but I thought my head was going to explode if you said manuelll, ATTACK THE COURSE, or athleticism one more time. Next year I should announce. ahaha

Oh also, I'm pretty sure the crowd is right. We are a bunch of thugs. Especially me, I kill people on an hourly basis for drug money.

PS.
"Well today I leave the psycho ward
Cause my sentence did conclude:
I had killed a man with my bare hands
Because he called me dude"

PPS. Shane, hell yeah. ahahaha

Dude, Butler isnt an announcer by trade, and honestly, I thought he did a pretty good job, especially for a volunteer. think about it, it could be way worse, like he could've not been a rider.

i know this because i've experienced bad announcing... at crankworx... last year... the horror....

[BrianPark]

Darren Butler did a wicked job of announcing because he made fun of riley's pants. Rawk on.
Okay fair enough, I was excited about that too.

I think Darren Butler was really upset with Riley.

[BrianPark]

Dude, Butler isnt an announcer by trade, and honestly, I thought he did a pretty good job, especially for a volunteer. think about it, it could be way worse, like he could've not been a rider.

i know this because i've experienced bad announcing... at crankworx... last year... the horror....
Ahahaha, I don't care. Just because it was better than the atrocity that was Crankworx, doesn't mean it was good.


PS. Whatever they do next year, I suggest rider "groups" for the best trick contest (just give each group of four or so riders 10 minutes with the course). That way the crowd doesn't have to wait while the rider walks back and catches his breath.

[.Robinson]

Ahahaha, I don't care. Just because it was better than the atrocity that was Crankworx, doesn't mean it was good.


PS. Whatever they do next year, I suggest rider "groups" for the best trick contest (just give each group of four or so riders 10 minutes with the course). That way the crowd doesn't have to wait while the rider walks back and catches his breath.

just curious,why do you complain about everything?

[BrianPark]

I was abused as a kid.

[andyy]

I'm autistic

fixed

[MOUNTAIN BIKEING!]

Darren Butler did a wicked job of announcing because he made fun of riley's pants. Rawk on.


darren butler made fun of something some one was wearing holy smokes never thought id hear about that day ever happening that guy is just HIGH MTB FASHION life!

[BrianPark]

I know, next time Riley has to wear his Roach pants, Dianese suit, and Fox jersey. Also, Raceface gloves and a Nixon watch. Maybe a ballercap for good measure.

He was totally robbed.

[Gimp Pimp]

I went to the show because i needed some parts for cheap. Turns out that the booths that were selling stuff didn't have what i needed and the booths that had what i needed weren't selling stuff. That pissed me off:mad: :swearing:

[SubPlop]

-Not near enough booths
-Super session was too slow-paced
-Test track was cool but I shinned myself h-core
-North Shore indoor must be resurrected
-Saw tons of NSMB people:

-Brain Park :mullet: , Axx, Moult, Scully, Gully, just to list a few.

Question of the day: was Nick Nimmo there?

Austin

[BrianPark]

-Super session was too slow-paced
Whatever they do next year, I suggest rider "groups" for the best trick contest (just give each group of four or so riders 10 minutes with the course). That way the crowd doesn't have to wait while the rider walks back and catches his breath.
Solution.

[C.Lee]

how come i never saw marzocchi at the show on friday.. i saw their truck painted with their skull and fork logo thing.. but didnt see their booth..

[Smoke]

I know this is going to sound overly negative, but here's why the North Shore Indoor show is doomed.

It sucks.

From a retailer point of view, why bother? It's very expensive. Way more so than an ad on the radio or even rent for a month at their usual store. They have to staff both locations, incurring more costs. And when people do show up to your booth, all they want is free stickers and below cost deals on parts. The term "bottom feeder" describes your typical consumer at the show. Shops and bike companies are businesses, and they have to be aware of the bottom line. It doesn't make monetary sense to invest in the show, as it's the cheapest segment of the market which is represented (this is a general statemennt, I'm sure there's a few high rollers dropping by, but in general its the cheap S.O.B.'s that frequent the show). At least with trade shows like Interbike there's a substantial amount of actual buying going on to justify the expense.

For the pubic...uhhh I mean public, the show is expensive and inconvenient. You gotta find and pay for parking, the food licks wet bag, and oh yeah...it's INDOORS. Have you looked outside? It's freakin amazing out there. Why the hell would anyone who spends all week cooped up in an office or classroom want to spend a gorgeous sunny weekend inside? Screw that, there's almost nothing on display that you can't see by just dropping in on the shops.

The first couple of years it was pretty good, mostly because it was new and much smaller (when it was at Plaza of Nations). Back then you could get a good deal because everyone had a good stock of old crap lying around to blow out, and it was such a novelty to check it out in the middle of winter. Now, everyone rides year round, the shops are locked in a death grip struggle against high overheads and low margins, and the consumers are all pretty market savvy.

The only thing that is alright is the dirt jump contest, but unfortunately it's so niche that there's only limited appeal. Mountain biking is really diverse, and the jump contests only include a tiny fraction of the cycling community. Can you imagine trying to fill the stadium for the contest? That's 60 000 seats. Lucky to get a couple of hundred, and most of them would be the participants (who incidentally all want their bikes/parts/clothes/gack for nuthin'). For the average person (like the kind of person who would drop the cash to go to such an event) it's an interesting diversion but it's not as intersting as "Skating With Celebrities" or whatever other crap is on cable currently. Honestly, if you take a few steps back and look at it objectively, most of the tricks that are being performed look, for lack of a better word, really gay. It's a lot like baseball. Fun to play but lame to watch.

For mercys sake kill it. It's suffered enough.

[David Parenteau]

We come over from Nanaimo every year to see the show.Frankly the show was a big dissappointment this year.It's just not worth the $100 for ferry fare and bus fare to come and see a few bike displays.If I wanted to see a travel show(which is what it's becoming)I'd go to a travel show.I gave up a $600 overtime day for nothing.We won't be coming next year.
Dave

[Wayne P]

Smoke, I totally agree. I've been saying this for years.

A retailer, I believe, will not benefit one itoa from attending that show. I don't even believe most big bike companies would benefit from the show. If they did, they'd be there right? A bike shop owner told me that it was a money-losing venture to attend.

It was more interesting to more people when it was just a head to head race. They can see a result. But that's just my humble opinion.

[Heatmizer]

I have to agree with Smoke and Wayne, and a a lot of others. I went down on friday and I was in and out in less than an hour, and I spent 10 minutes of that watching the kayaker's.

Only one major bike manufacturer, a few retailers, and a lot of fluff. The parking prices are financial rape, the food prices equally bad, not to mention you'd find better quality food in the dumpster behind McDonald's.

The show is a nice idea, but based on the fact that it's prohibitively expensive for a booth, it seems to me that the organizers don't want mtb @ the show. Maybe it's time for the industry to organize their own smaller, more affordable show.

[slang]

The show is a nice idea, but based on the fact that it's prohibitively expensive for a booth, it seems to me that the organizers don't want mtb @ the show. Maybe it's time for the industry to organize their own smaller, more affordable show.

Bingo!

Also, it's a ploy. Bad, dry air makes Andy thirsty. Andy goes to the vending machine to realise that a can of coke will cost him $3.25. Andy spazzzz

[M_Dub]

Bingo!

Also, it's a ploy. Bad, dry air makes Andy thirsty. Andy goes to the vending machine to realise that a can of coke will cost him $3.25. Andy spazzzz

vending machines back where the rider registry was behind the fork lifts were 1.50 for a bottle of water or iced tea lemonade, powerade... regular prices.

the dry air sucked ass, not enough food and drink booths... they should have supplied the riders with water... get evian to sponsor the event or something...

but the idea for a bike show all together would be good. but if you think about it... if the bikes go out of the show, the show flops. On the radio and on Tv and such, what did they advertise the most? the golf? the giant yacht? NO! they played the entire show off the dennys bike expo. the course was great and lotsa fun. but there needs to be more bike booths, to not only give the ppl something to see, but to experience and get to know the entire riding scene rather than just the punks they thought were supposed to be breaking into there cars.

[slang]

Yah but MDub, what does the outdoor show do for riding then?

bike show without outdoor show = something, probably better

outdoor show without bike show = nothing

I say leave the outdoor show behind.

And drinks from the regular vending machine were $3.75, not $3.25. my bad.

[Jaysin]

drinks were rediculous!

Im still glad I came down though, I had a good time

[M_Dub]

Yah but MDub, what does the outdoor show do for riding then?

bike show without outdoor show = something, probably better

outdoor show without bike show = nothing

I say leave the outdoor show behind.

And drinks from the regular vending machine were $3.75, not $3.25. my bad.

ya i know what ur saying

im serious... lol..i dont know where u went, but the vending machines tucked in the corner by the fork lifts in the east airlock back entrance corridor cost me 1.50 thats ridiculous 3.75

[ATN]

With a transit daypass ($6), 93 cent pizza at Seymour @ Pender, and half price tickets, it wasn't that bad of a deal.

Now that Red Bull is in Canada, why aren't they sponsoring anything?

[BeggarsBanquet]

i was workin at the test track and i guess i can't complain about being able to ride the sick bikes for the last three days. There were a bunch of norco bikes, three specialized and a dark cycles bike. Too bad specialized didn't have a booth.

[|2ipper]

i think it sucked.....riding was good when people actually rode....but that took way to long

i saw like 4 mtb boths
taking photos ended up being me taking pics of girls lol
and setting off peoples remote flashs (yes that was me...and i dont care)


the best part was the wine booth which i seemed to get into :lol: being 18 and all

[Gimp Pimp]

the dry air sucked ass

The dry air made the static electricity worse. I walked around for ten minutes, found the Marzocchi booth walked in...

Me: Hey is that a DJII? *touch* AAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!

[Hip Hop!]

Question of the day: was Nick Nimmo there?

yes. he was wearing a red fox hat and a black and white special blend jacket

[Trini-dad72]

i was workin at the test track and i guess i can't complain about being able to ride the sick bikes for the last three days. There were a bunch of norco bikes, three specialized and a dark cycles bike. Too bad specialized didn't have a booth.

BB... was that you that was at the waiver table. Were you there on Saturday? Curly hair?

[cameron]

edit: post deleated. :lol:

[SkunkworkS]

Glad I didn't miss much.

[DangerBoy]

Sick!!

[crazy_mtb_2005]

I must agree, this years show wasn't very exciting.
Snapping my chain right before take off on the first dj never helped either, seeing as how i had to pedal as fast as i could to hit it anyway.
I resulted for fun, to search for free goods, and stickers.
Even that turned to be a disapointment;
Carabeener key chain from the golf, few other things from the golf side. (bored)
Then a 243 sticker, storm surf shop sticker, and dirty girls sticker.
Sadly i had more fun raiding the free breakfast room at the hotel, walking away with an advil bag full of individually wrapped apple strudles, cinn. buns, muffins, and packets of honey and peanut butter.
That should be a nice lunch during work this week.

It was alright, better then doing nothing, but more big name companies should have set up like last year. And more of a fun atmosphere

[Shocker]

was pretty boring !

[seen44]

was pretty boring !

you seemed depressed

[derwood]

I must agree, this years show wasn't very exciting.

I resulted for fun, to search for free goods, and stickers.
Even that turned to be a disapointment;

Then a 243 sticker, storm surf shop sticker, and dirty girls sticker.

Sadly i had more fun raiding the free breakfast room at the hotel, walking away with an advil bag full of individually wrapped apple strudles, cinn. buns, muffins, and packets of honey and peanut butter.

It was alright, better then doing nothing, but more big name companies should have set up like last year. And more of a fun atmosphere


I cant figure out why the bike industry doesnt take this seriously,like interbike or the toronto show?!?!?!

[white ri0t]

Whoah it's DB in the NSMB with BP.

Anyways, it's cool that you volunteer, but I thought my head was going to explode if you said manuelll, ATTACK THE COURSE, or athleticism one more time. Next year I should announce. ahaha

Oh also, I'm pretty sure the crowd is right. We are a bunch of thugs. Especially me, I kill people on an hourly basis for drug money.

PS.
"Well today I leave the psycho ward
Cause my sentence did conclude:
I had killed a man with my bare hands
Because he called me dude"

PPS. Shane, hell yeah. ahahaha

this begs the question:
why didn't you give DB these words of wisdom in person instead of flaming him on the internet?

wait, I already know the answer.

[BrianPark]

I'm pretty sure I like, pointed and laughed a lot when he screwed up. I also yelled MANUELLLLLL a lot. Does that count?

[Troup]

p.s. this years show was pretty limited booth wise, but it was a pretty chill time. i met alot of new faces.. :

brian park (oh man.. :lol:.. stuck in the 80's I see)
troop (um.. yeah. how old are you?)
jaysin (subway what?)
brent (met him last year, but still a cool guy)
david lang (looks exactly how i imagined him off nsmb)
axx (wasnt the first time, but chill guy)
axx's girlfriend.. (too many jokes made)
mdubs girlfriend.. (too many jokes to be had)
nelson (wasnt the first time also, but he's missing his cast :eek: )

then the normal people, but I was happy to meet all you new guys.
Who were you?

[Troup]

im pretty sure jc took care of troup.

"TROUP"
turns around.
"FUCK YOU !"That was supposed to be...intimidating?

[Scoobydoo]

This was the first Outdoor show that I've checked out. Being from Victoria its starts costing money and time to come over to this event...actually any event.

I was lucky as I didn't have to drive over, pay for parking or pay to get in.

I've heard and read highlights of past shows so I was excited to check out.

My over all opinion..it was...lame. It was good to meet a bunch of people and check out everything but I found this show was more directed at the golfers more than anyone else. Basically the bike area was the second biggest area in the place. Then you has small pockets of other sports.

I was dispointed not to see a lot of manufactures with bikes on displayed and for testing.

On the ride back on the ferry I was able to sit back and totally understand why they didn't go. Like Smoke said..it costs a lot of money. You have to pay for the booth, plus if you want to have power to your boooth..that's extra...oh a telephone jack...yeah that's extra to, plus staff and you can see the amount of stuff you have to sell to breakeven..that's just breakeven for the event. Calculate how many people go to the show each year, % of that total look at bikes and the % who actually buy stuff...you can see that its really not a very good marketing decision to go to the show when their are many other events during the year which the audience are more biker oriented.

Personally, I think there there are enough smaller venues around Vancouver that you could actually put together a biking event showcasing all types of bikes and that would be more successful.

[the Master Plan Dan]

I was so stoked to go to this seeing as I love seeing new stuff in teh fleah all at one place.

First I was surpirised that it was attached with the Golf and Travel Show. Secondly I was blown away how small it was. Thirdly as discussed in many threads previously, there were little to no local shops, and the bike companies were non existant as well... except for Norco. Where was Rocky Mountain, Cove, Specialized and all the others? This is the birthplace of the sport and this is how it is treated. Also there should have been some sort of market or something, where you could buy discounted goods.

I moved to this province for one reason only... proximity to outdoor activites... Riding and Boarding. This is the outdoor capital of Canada and that is the only stuff that could be scrapped together? I mean honsetly, that show should have been 3 or four times the size that it was. Having gone to shows in other cities, they were more informative and offer a better selection of activities and more products.

The ramps and demo area were the coolest part.

Now working other shows I know how much it costs to rent the floor space and I understand that people don't want to work these thinsg as it is very time consuming and it can get very borring. But this is the sport that you love, show the general public that you still love the sport. It realy disheartens someone to hear that company 'X' is not going to set up a both because it is not cost effective or that not enough people go to these shows.

From what I can tell you the numbers looked pretty good for attendence. I am rambling at this point but I thnk that there should be more effort on peoples part to go to the show, to set up shop at the show and to promot the sports better.

When I left I was really disapointed that is all.

[thedude]

Well I visited the outdoor show this week (Friday Night). It was nice to see the NSMB booth!!!. I picked up a bro card, got a free NS calendar, shirt and FRESH DVD (cool vid).

Overall not too much different than last year except for the bike test track. All I can say is that every bike manufacturer should be jumping all over this idea.

I tried out some new Norco's that I have never ridden, some Specialized and a Astrix. I have a new found love for Juicy brakes and the DHX Air feels friking amazing and I will soon have some Sram triggers on order. The test track offers consumers the ability to try brands they would not normally ride or try different components.

On the negative side of things, I too was disappointed that there were few shops there, but really why would a shop go if the booth space is so damn expensive.

It is the manufacturers that should be there. Rocky, Banshee, Kona, Norco, Cove, Santa Cruz, Devinci, Specialized...etc.

And as I stated, the test track was a great start. More variety next year would rock!!!!! Have tech guys there with each bike to explain or answer questions about the bikes.

It is really easy for everyone to bitch about what was wrong with the show.....now make some suggestions on how to improve it.

[rowdy01]

Why doesn`t the bike industry get together and put on there own show in a smaller/more appropriate venue? Make it into an experiance, a family type thing with demos and shows (trials etc...). And it doesn`t have to be held in downtown Vancouver. Make it possible so that ALL THE LITTLE GUYS could get a booth and thus truly get a real representation of the biking community in BC.

[brian]

I cant figure out why the bike industry doesnt take this seriously,like interbike or the toronto show?!?!?!

interbike is a totally different beast. It's for the retailers and manufactures to go over what's new and place orders for the year. It's why it's closed to the public. It's busy enough to be a trade show dealling with shops and if you through in the public it just adds another layer.

sounds like a good option for shops is to work with the bike companies to go in on a booth, have a demo fleet and rep there and drive business to the store.

[derwood]

Soooooooo......

Somebody tell me why a bike company should go to the expense of setting up a booth at a "show" where nobody is going to buy anything.

They already showcase their products at their retailers shops.....wht blow 10-15 G's ay BC place?


Its all about stickers,isn't it?

[knollybikes.com]

... but Smoke's post was BANG on. As a small manufacturer, we have a limited marketing budget. Attending the outdoor show would have cost well into the 5-7K range to do it properly (and we won't do something half-assed). The show fees alone would have been close to 2K, plus draage, shipping, booth design and setup, and the expense of building demo bikes. The real revenue from the show would have been about zero.

The outdoor show isn't organized by the "North shore riding community". It's organized by a company that makes money from having a trade show. Pretty much ALL trade shows are like that - the show is a business into itself and the goal of the organizers is to make money off the show. It's not a charity for the exhibitors nor the attendees.

The problem is that when a show becomes too expensive and offers very little return, it is just BAD BUSINESS to attend it. This can be a bad downward slope. If exhibitors stop exhibiting, then the attendees start to not attend because the show sucks. Next year, there are less attendees so more exhibitors pull out. Eventually you have what happened this year: a paltry showing of exhibitors and pissed off attendees.

Frankly, for a company like ours, exhibiting would simply be a waste of time and money. For the same cost, Knolly could advertize on NSMB, Pink bike or mtbr.com or any other large readership MTB site for quite some time. For the same cost as the Advil outdoor show, we could buy a year's worth of half page ads in Decline. That would be money spent helping the riding scene, not putting it into someone's pocket that has no idea what the difference between an 888RC2X and a Marathon fork are. Instead of exhibiting at the outdoor show, we're going to become a corporate member of NSMBA, support NS S&R, probably start advertizing on NSMB and other venues, are getting dealers set up for 2006, are ensuring that our manufacturing processes are up and running so that we can ship frames, and are saving our pennies for the Toronto and Vegas shows.

Sorry, but it is the truth. Any anyone in the business who says otherwise, is frankly not being honest abou the situation.

The show needs a different venue, different feel, different vibe, needs to be really affordable if you want the smaller manufacturers there and needs to be relatively cheep to attend. That's a pretty tall order. No one is going to take this on on their own, unless they're getting paid. And now, we're back to the same situation: how can it be profitable for everyone involved? Not an easy task.

Regards,

Noel

[King of Fasia]

i rode salvation, sweet trail by the way, outside in the sun, it was much more fun.

[hobo man]

That was supposed to be...intimidating?
not indimitating i was justshowing that i really do hate you. if u wanna question me again it can be more than a fuck you next time

[Troup]

not indimitating i was justshowing that i really do hate you. if u wanna question me again it can be more than a fuck you next timeYou shouldn't hate on people you don't know...

[hobo man]

You shouldn't hate on people you don't know...
you called me a bitch, and when i said not to, you said " i 'll do whatever i want" u cant say stuff like that and expect to be liked

[Kyle "No Way" Wilcox]

you called me a bitch, and when i said not to, you said " i 'll do whatever i want" u cant say stuff like that and expect to be liked

were you there on friday. like earlyish?

[hobo man]

were you there on friday. like earlyish?
nooppe

[baloom]

where are the mods? This thread needs to be put to death.

Intelligent and thought provoking contibutions including ones from industry folk followed by pure drivel and inanity.

I'm checking out.......

[Moocowsia]

What I dont get is how the air could be so dry but the landings in the test track were like mud. The dark cycles test ride was pretty awsome though, although the gearing confused the heck out of me.

[wyper]

Whoah it's DB in the NSMB with BP.

Anyways, it's cool that you volunteer, but I thought my head was going to explode if you said manuelll, ATTACK THE COURSE, or athleticism one more time. Next year I should announce. ahaha

Oh also, I'm pretty sure the crowd is right. We are a bunch of thugs. Especially me, I kill people on an hourly basis for drug money.

PS.
"Well today I leave the psycho ward
Cause my sentence did conclude:
I had killed a man with my bare hands
Because he called me dude"

PPS. Shane, hell yeah. ahahaha

ok heres what i think i think u and lots of other people on this fourm are hipocrits. i am a die hard pinkbike user, and i alwaws see posts on here about how pinkbike is dumb b/c we flame noobs for not noing what they are doing, or for dumb posts. wile u guys are over here flaming a pro rider who has done so much for the sport of biking. with out db we would have had mud lips again as it was him who helped out j with the wood ramps. also he is one of the nicest guys you will ever meat. and u guys are flaming him b/c he said 3 things to much come on guys. have some respect.
and bd should have a right to be mad at u i think alot of people should be just b/c there are people ther dont mean u need to act like an ass
just like u do on the fourms.

good day
wyper

[schoenrock]

wile u guys are over here flaming a pro rider
i didnt read any flaming, just honest criticism

[Couch_Surfer]

Saturday I went for a quick rip on Seymour - damn that weather was sweet.
Sunday I went shopping for sheets, pillows and a new duvet with my wife.

Both were better options then attending a show that has sucked for several years.

[crazy_mtb_2005]

What I dont get is how the air could be so dry but the landings in the test track were like mud. The dark cycles test ride was pretty awsome though, although the gearing confused the heck out of me.

The mud isn't dug up in bc place:duh:

[Hip Hop!]

ok heres what i think i think u and lots of other people on this fourm are hipocrits. i am a die hard pinkbike user, and i alwaws see posts on here about how pinkbike is dumb b/c we flame noobs for not noing what they are doing, or for dumb posts. wile u guys are over here flaming a pro rider who has done so much for the sport of biking. with out db we would have had mud lips again as it was him who helped out j with the wood ramps. also he is one of the nicest guys you will ever meat. and u guys are flaming him b/c he said 3 things to much come on guys. have some respect.
and bd should have a right to be mad at u i think alot of people should be just b/c there are people ther dont mean u need to act like an ass
just like u do on the fourms.

good day
wyper

ok mom

[switch]

I went Friday evening. The "bike" portion wasn't large, but there were a lot of other expositions that I enjoyed visting.

I thought the test track was a great thing. How often can you go an test ride a bike?

Didn't see the jump biking show on Saturday, but on Friday night it was quite enjoyable. Some pretty damned skilled young riders were struttin' their stuff very well. Darren Buttler did a great job announcing - why all the criticism is beyond me. Guess I was watching a different event.

Got some good information from the Marzocchi, Shimano, and Norco booths. Overtime had some great prices (as usual), as did Bikeroom, but unfortunately there wasn't anything I needed.

A lot of the non biking related booths were great. I was glad to learn that there are GPS units now available that take mini SD cards, and that there are decent topo maps of the lower mainland.

Best booth was probably McWilliams wines, but there wasn't much Shiraz left after Cam had been there. ;)

[knollybikes.com]

Best booth was probably McWilliams wines, but there wasn't much Shiraz left after Cam had been there. ;)

That's so funny - I just cracked a bottle of McWilliam 2004 Shiraz this evening! I had never heard of them until a couple of months ago, but I guess they're making a push into the BC market!

[switch]

That's so funny - I just cracked a bottle of McWilliam 2004 Shiraz this evening! I had never heard of them until a couple of months ago, but I guess they're making a push into the BC market!This morning I stocked up on half a dozen bottles myself. Figured I should get to the stores before Cam does.

[Tom]

ok heres what i think i think u and lots of other people on this fourm are hipocrits. i am a die hard pinkbike user, and i alwaws see posts on here about how pinkbike is dumb b/c we flame noobs for not noing what they are doing, or for dumb posts. wile u guys are over here flaming a pro rider who has done so much for the sport of biking. with out db we would have had mud lips again as it was him who helped out j with the wood ramps. also he is one of the nicest guys you will ever meat. and u guys are flaming him b/c he said 3 things to much come on guys. have some respect.
and bd should have a right to be mad at u i think alot of people should be just b/c there are people ther dont mean u need to act like an ass
just like u do on the fourms.

good day
wyper

Pinkbike users are usually flamed for their incomprehensible spelling and grammar.

[Scryder]

my thoughts even tho i wasnt even there becuz im way too cool and have no money.....it was bunk looking in my opinion....aswell as i cant be in the same with danny brody without getting pissed off. danny brody im calling you out! get your act to gether and get to the flippin island....but if your saving up for my birthday then thats alloud. Overall i wasnt seeing enough great stuff from people....like really where were the 360 nac nacs? or the tuck nohanded tire grabs? like for real people we dont need to see stathis truckdriver an air time....we need to see more inovated chausters out tehre like freeride joey....you know what it is,.. 2 SIXXXXX!

[switch]

Pinkbike users are usually flamed for their incomprehensible spelling and grammar.:lol:

[DaveM]

:lol:

We really need a Pinkbike-English translator.

I, like most everyone else was disapointed in the turnout, but completely understand the reasons. It was really dead in there when I went, early Sunday morning, since I didn't want to battle crowds of groms while on crutches. I did consider buying a boat just so I could get my boating license from the girl at the booth.

I was impressed with Norco's huge display.