Advice on durable wheels and tires...

[banjopete]

First off I've been reading and watching the topics in here and am happy there is a dedicated forum for the bike lovers on the board, not just the freeride bike lovers.

I have an older bike that was a nice ride when it was new (early 90's), but the wheels are set up for glue on tires, which I don't really care for despite (insert all advantages etc.). I want regular tubes and tires like my other bikes because this is what I'm familiar with and because I think they are easier/cheaper to repair in the likely event of a flat.

So my question is what rim or wheel is a good choice, and what tire. I am looking for durability, and ease of operation meaning as few flats as possible, and tough wheels. Since anything road is lighter than my mtb gear I am not concerned about weight too much, more durability. I'm hoping to spend maybe $400 for both wheels.

I have done some research on my own on roadbikereview, but I am curious to hear some personal experience from locals.

[adam45]

Hello there. Can't help much there but I suggest you copy this message, then delete it and repost in the Gear section youll get a lot more responses there. If you don't move this thread and it goes missing then look in the Gear section cause one of the Admins will likely move it there.

Good luck I'm sure someone will have advice for you.

[sprinter]

Campy or Shimano?

Try here

http://www.cycling.bc.ca/index.php?id=155

or the board at MEC

[Mattman]

I like the mavic open pro's 32 hole with the hub of your choice,I have a pair with a Ultegra rear hub Mavic front that started out as my race wheels 6 years ago and are now on my winter bike,the rear is just about done,hoping it lasts the winter.Go 3 cross.

[sanrensho]

If you're a clydesdale, you might think about going with a 36H rim.

Otherwise, a handbuilt 32H rim laced 3X with double-butted spokes and brass nipples should be fine. Since you're not concerned about weight/aero, almost any Mavic rim (such as the Open Pros mentioned above) should be fine.

You can easily do a build with Shimano hubs for well under $400. Even cheaper if you buy a prebuilt wheel from a US online retailer.

[Late Bloomer]

I'm pretty partial to THESE (http://www.mavic.com/ewb_pages/p/produit_roue_cosmic_carbone_elite.php?gamme=route) . I think they retail for $350/US. I have the model prior to those and they are great on the road as well as strong enough to withstand cyclocross racing.

Tires...that one's more of a personal preference thing, IMHO. During summer I run Vittoria Rubino Pros and for winter I am all about the Specialized Armadillos.

[sanrensho]

Also, double check the rear OLD (dropout spacing) on your bike. Could be 126 mm (6- or 7-speed) instead of the current 130 mm OLD. Although 4 mm is not a lot, it might make sense to rebuild on your current hubs. (You have other options, too.)

[banjopete]

Thanks for the tips about the spacing, I never thought it might be different. You are probably right too because I heard the bb size is unusual so the rear spacing might be too. I've got my eye on a set of open pro's with 105 hubs front and rear for $350, but if the hub doesn't fit I might just get the rear rebuilt.

Also in the original question I have heard the specialized armadillo is a tough tire any other ideas preferably cheap-ish if possible. I weigh 185lbs so no clydesdale but not like a feather either.

[Late Bloomer]

Ritchey Tom Slicks are a pretty decent & affordable tire. I used to roll those back in my courier days. Fairly durable and grippy.

[thewalrus]

You want strong... Durable wheels? How about this:

32 hole rims such as Mavic CXP22, CXP33, about 470-490g/rim

32 DT 14 gauge spokes, 3-cross pattern

Build with your choice of decent hubs. Depends on budget. 105, Ultegra, one of the DT 32-hole models, King Classic, etc.

Should come in around 2000g, my CXP22/32spoke/105 set is 2050. Very strong for winter use.

tires, hutchinson, continental or michelin kevlar bead in the 215-230 gram range, assuming you want 23mm. there's various models ranging from budget ($20/tire) to $55/tire dual compound such as the michelin pro2 race. If you want serious flat protection and don't mind the extra weight try something like a specialized armadillo (320 gram).

[banjopete]

Thanks for the help guys but I have gone against the best advice and bought these.

https://www.supergo.com/profile.cfm?LPROD_ID=25583

I checked around some roadie forums (maybe not the best place) but heard that these wheels are rebadged neuvation m28's which from what I've read are pretty good wheels. If they turn out to be not that great which I'm not really expecting, at least it's only $150cd(shipping and GST included) for a set which is pretty damn cheap. I did find some of the cxp22's at the sports junkies for pretty cheap but for a wheel set it was going to still be over 300 after all so half price just seemed too good to pass up. I'll let you know how they turn out.

[sanrensho]

I've heard good things about those wheels. Can't go wrong at that price.

If your dropout spacing turns out to be 126 mm, you have a couple of options including just forcing the wheel into the dropouts. If it's a steel frame, you can have it professionally spread or spread it yourself. There's also the issue of how many speeds you're running and cassette vs freewheel, etc. Can't comment on those without knowing more about your setup.

[Late Bloomer]

That's a good deal for sure. Those will hold up long enough to where you can build up a set to your own specs. You can also take some of the $$$$ that you saved on those and get some solid rubber to slap on 'em.

[Darklord]

Sports Junkies on Broadway will do a quick and cheesy cold set on your rear end for $10 (if required). I know people that have had no probs at all with them.

[sanrensho]

Sports Junkies on Broadway will do a quick and cheesy cold set on your rear end for $10 (if required). I know people that have had no probs at all with them.

That's good to know. Are there specific tools involved or do they use a brute force method?

[thad]

That's good to know. Are there specific tools involved or do they use a brute force method?
You need a frame alignment tool to make sure that you spread the frame evenly.
http://www.parktool.com/images/products/productimages/spr_FAG_2BIG_20051222_63831.jpg
After spreading the frame, you use a dropout alignment tool to make sure the dropouts are parallel.
http://www.parktool.com/images/products/productimages/spr_FFG-1inuse_2005810_27025.jpg

As far as wheels go, I have 36h Velocity deep V rims, DT 14g spokes(of course), and campy veloce hubs. Bombproof. I ride trails on my road bike all the time, hop curbs, etc. I'm pushing 2 bills. The mavic cxp22 is very durable as well.
http://velocityusa.com/images/rim/rim-deepv-road-yel.gif

[sanrensho]

You need a frame alignment tool to make sure that you spread the frame evenly.


I agree. That's why I was curious about what kind of cold setting they are doing for $10.

[Darklord]

they use the Sheldon Brown method,

http://sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing.html

and it's an old guy with a ton of experience :)

I wouldn't use it for an Italian bespoke frame, but to prolong the life of a "family heirloom" it does the job a treat

As a thread crap, we pounded out to Point Roberts yesterday, a nice ride but a bit tricky to find our way over the Queensborough/Alex Fraser

So much fun, I sold my OCR this am, and am about to pull the trigger on this one (not a purists bike, but decent spec, kinesium/carbon stays, wcs wheelset, ultegra 10 speed etc):

http://www.bikesdirect.com/10dayspecial/rbr_gtwaypg_lec_jan10th.html

p.s. You'll love the Korso's, super deal!

[sanrensho]

not a purists bike


Do it! Those bikes are worth the price of the components alone. Who cares about the brand. You can always purchase your dream frame and more the components over.

[banjopete]

Yeah I'm not too worried about the spacing as the frame I have is a 56cm and I'm a little over 6'3 so it's a very "for the mean time" frame and is not fitted to me by any means. So now I'm on the prowl for a frame in the 60-62cm range so if anyone has one out there, I'm not picky about makes or models.

I will basically buy a complete bike by the end of this, but since time and not money is what I have right now (I'm at BCIT)I figured I'll just go part by part and make a bike how I want it, and keep my eyes open for unbelievable deals like the wheels, and now like that complete bike deal mentioned above. Maybe near tax time, they'll have my name on one of those boxes.

[banjopete]

Oops well I'm back on the market, the deal apparently was too good, and too many people beat me to it. They're out of stock and thus the deal ends.

It looks like I'll probably get one of the cxp22/105 fronts from sports junkies pomo, and be on the lookout for a open pro rear with the best hub I can afford, or the one I already have on the bike currently.

[Ned]

Don't sweat the Korso's, the front wheels are limp little noodles best ridden by flyweights or wives. Just rebuild your old hubs and keep it simple. I've burned up a lot of wheels and I've found those Velocity's a good choice for building a set of winter meatstick wheels.

[sanrensho]

Also, keep an eye on the CyclingBC classified site and Craigslist. This wheelset is a good deal, but is probably gone by now:

http://vancouver.craigslist.org/bik/121948963.html

[banjopete]

Thanks for the info sarensho, I picked up those wheels this morning for $100 what a deal, 2 open pro's on 105's and a set of tires and tubes. That's better than anything I could have imagined.

[thewalrus]

So much fun, I sold my OCR this am, and am about to pull the trigger on this one (not a purists bike, but decent spec, kinesium/carbon stays, wcs wheelset, ultegra 10 speed etc):

http://www.bikesdirect.com/10dayspecial/rbr_gtwaypg_lec_jan10th.html

p.s. You'll love the Korso's, super deal!

Those $1100 (USD) Motobecanes have been discussed a lot at the bikeforums.net road section, some people noticed that theirs arrived without any grease on the bottom bracket threads. Also double-check tightness of the stem and bar fastening bolts. You might want to take it completely apart and reassemble, the consensus seems to be that they're built in a hurry by people who aren't completely familiar with road bikes...

Great deal for the money, the guy who owns the Bikesdirect corporation sells the same bike, with a different paint job and badging, as a "Fuji Team SL" on ebay for $1095.

Try searching ebay...

[sanrensho]

Thanks for the info sarensho, I picked up those wheels this morning for $100 what a deal, 2 open pro's on 105's and a set of tires and tubes. That's better than anything I could have imagined.

Seriously smokin' deal.:smokey:

[Darklord]

Didn't go to with the Motobecane, yet.

Bought this one (40th bike/frame in 4.5 years) :

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7209127764&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

16.9 lb for $1095 still sounds good though. I'm not worried about build quality, as it's a mail order cheapie. You shouldn't be looking at them if you don't know how to fix em :)