Protect your stunts, protect yourself

[menehune]

Builders:
I am about six weeks from releasing samples of a wood seal that will add grip to the wood as well. As builders, does this product make sense? While hauling a bunch of seal deep into the woods does not make much sense, I am curious if there is any interest in something of this nature. Leave your thoughts on the thread and e-mail me if you'd be interested in a sample sometime in the next month or two. If this whole concept seems stupid, let me know that as well.
Cheers,
Julian

[Hip Hop!]

cedars got enough grip and lasts long enough. will this stuff you're making be harmfuil to the environment?

[TheGiggler]

cedars got enough grip and lasts long enough. will this stuff you're making be harmfuil to the environment?


yup, here on the coast people would shit on ya for hauling in some nasty chemicals.

properly built cedar work can last 10-20+ yrs here.

maybe in locales where the wood sucks it might make sense...

[*GiMpY_jR*]

here in the okanagan that would be cool to try atleased

[menehune]

The product is oil based/oil born and is not exactly environmentally friendly, so it would be terrible to haul out into the woods for application. Not having built with cedar (not abundant in the area I build in southern Oregon), I do not know about its natural gripping properties. How ridable is it when wet? I'm envisioning the most realistic application for the product will be at private (backyard) and public (lift assisted) bike parks, where the wood can be treated and dried in a safe and central area before being taken to the building site.

[TheGiggler]

cedar is grippy when the grain is not parralel the riding direction. so rungs on ladders are grippy. it's only when you get a flat milled piece of cedar where it gets slippy.

most of the woodwork on the shore is just straight cedar with no chicken wire/tar etc for extra grip and it's almost all fine in the wet...

[mattj]

I'm glad that you're responsible enough to admit that the product can be harmful and that you're encouraging proper use. Best of luck with it!


-m

[Cobster]

yea that true i dont see the point in putting lots of grippy stuff on wood i ride the shore in the pouring rain and i dont have any problems on wood stuff plus all the chicken wire and shingles make it look crappy my advice it just leave the wood alone and build it well and you wont have any problems
plus riding stuff thats slippery makes u a better rider

[Cobster]

The product is oil based/oil born and is not exactly environmentally friendly, so it would be terrible to haul out into the woods for application. Not having built with cedar (not abundant in the area I build in southern Oregon), I do not know about its natural gripping properties. How ridable is it when wet? I'm envisioning the most realistic application for the product will be at private (backyard) and public (lift assisted) bike parks, where the wood can be treated and dried in a safe and central area before being taken to the building site.

yea but what hapens when the park is done with the wood are they gonna bring all of it down and dispose of it in an enviromentally freindly way?

[wilkez]

it would be good anywhere that there isnt cedar i think, becuae anytime i ride a stunt not made of cedar it is slippery. i think you have the right idea with the bike park idea tho, good luck

[menehune]

Thanks for the input. As far as disposing the treated wood the environmentally friendly way, I believe there are bigger fish to fry. If this is a genuine concern of someone, I hope that they: a) do not shuttle; b) commute on their bike to work; and c) operate a biodiesel vehicle. The wood at parks is treated to begin with (think insurence here), and they more than likely burn it at the end of every summer. If the parks are willing to store the sealed wood during the winter, the individual slats could be reused for a number of years. Even exposed to the elements, the seal would add three-four years to the wood. It sounds like anyone in a coastal environment in the Pacific NW is doing allright with natural cedar, though.

[seand]

i know here, we have enough cedar to avoid such a solution/problem as using sealant.

there really is no place for chemicals in the woods...esp ones that are going to damage the soil and potentially kill trees if introduced at the root level...

in the words of IFO...no sale.

[menehune]

Our sport inherently "damages" the soil and oftentimes affects trees at the root level if a trail is not built properly. The product is not meant to be applied "in the woods."

Here's what I'm interested in:
-As a videographer, wet stunts not ruining any filming days.
-As an event promoter, having one more safety precaution to include in my proposals, as well not having wet stunts be a reason to cancel an event.

And as far as wet stunts making you a better rider? Maybe with skinnies, but not 20-40 foot gaps with wooden lips and landings.

[Niggz]

soil erosion is much different than biological damage

[Uncle Duke]

The product ... is not exactly environmentally friendly...





NO SALE !!

[Mr Ripper]

The product is oil based/oil born and is not exactly environmentally friendly, so it would be terrible to haul out into the woods for application.

If this product you are developing isn't safe for the environment who the hell is going to use it? I am with Duke, NO SALE! We want to keep woodwork as "natural" as possible. If it is slick add rubber!

[Uncle Duke]

I am with Duke, NO SALE!




werrrrrrd.

[diddler]

I don't think hauling a bunch of oil or stain into the bush and applying it to stunts is a good idea. There are enough people out there building crappy structures because they don't know what they are doing let alone having them dumping and spilling a bunch of strain or oil.

[menehune]

diddler- thanks for the feedback- I hear what you're saying about the number of irresponsible builders out there. While I can promote respnsible use, I cannot ensure the product will be used responsibly. From the sound of it, I'll be using this product for my own park and my own events. I'll let y'all know how it works.

[Uncle Duke]

taking non-biodegradable products up to the woods and leaving them there is a :nono:

[menehune]

Maybe I wasn't clear: I'm not going to push the product after the feedback from this discussion. I will however use it at a private site (where it won't simply be left, but removed when finished), as well as for events (where the stunts will be torn down afterwards).

[Uncle Duke]

i'm glad you liked the smiley.

you claim you will use it responsibly so here's hoping you do.

I just dont like the idea of introducing crap like that to the woods period.

[Farmer]

it sounds like good stuff for what you are going to use it for but not good for in the bush

[Dantes Inferno]

If you were to paste each peice of wood with this stuff, which must be in the hundreds, could take you a very long time. You would be better off sneaking into the BC woods and raiding stashes of cedar to bring back to whereever you live.