Cypress pricing up!

[yellowdogx]

Bike Park Tickets 2005

WATCH FOR OPENING SPECIALS!!!



4 Hour Session Additional 4 Hours
Adult (13 & Up) $32.00 $8.00
Adult 2004/2005 Passholder** $30.00 $8.00
Junior* (10 to 12) $24.00 $8.00
Junior* 2004/2005 Passholder** $24.00 $8.00
*10-12 year olds must be accompanied by a Paying Adult.
**Must show Winter 2004/2005 Pass in order to receive the Passholder rate. (no exceptions)

Prices are in Canadian Dollars. Taxes not included. All products are non-transferable and non-refundable. Products, Pricing and Hours of Operation are subject to change without notice.

The Cypress BikeCard 2005

WATCH FOR OPENING SPECIALS!!!

The Cypress BikeCard is the best way to save on the cost of Bike Park tickets with the maximum flexibility on when you can ride. With the Cypress BikeCard you'll receive your 1st bike ticket FREE, and save at least 20% off (regular rates) on your other days of riding.
Adult BikeCard (13 & Up) $49.00
Adult BikeCard 2004/2005 Passholder** $44.00
Junior* BikeCard (10 to 12) $31.00
Junior* BikeCard 2004/2005 Passholder**

$28.00
*10-12 year olds must be accompanied by a Paying Adult.
**Must show Winter 2004/2005 Pass in order to receive the Passholder rate. (no exceptions)

Upgrade your Day Ticket to a BikeCard! Come Ride the new Bike Park prior to purchasing your 2005 Cypress BikeCard. On your way down, stop in to the Bike Centre and upgrade your ticket to a BikeCard!!! Upgrade MUST be done on the same day as your ticket purchase, call Guest Services for further details.

Prices are in Canadian Dollars. Taxes not included. All products are non-transferable and non-refundable. Products, Pricing and Hours of Operation are subject to change without notice.

Bike Rentals 2005

Premium Bike:
Norco VPS A-Line / Rocky Mtn RMX R1
$99.00
High Performance:
Rocky Mtn Switch S1 / Norco VPS Six
$79.00
Park Bike:
Norco VPS Fluid 2 / Rocky Mtn Flow FS
$59.00
Hard Tail:
Rocky Mtn Flow F1 / Norco Sasquatch
$39.00
Junior Bike:
Norco Jammer
$29.00
Limited quantities of rental bikes available and based on first come first serve. (no pre-booking is offered).

Whats the deal with the "4 hour session??????"

It kind of sounds like they dont have that much room/terrain to accomidate that many riders.....

[yellowdogx]

Whistler prices for comparison

Tickets and Passes
Mountain Bike Park 2005: Pricing

Bike Park Day Ticket including lift. 10am-5pm
$41
Bike Park Day Ticket ONLINE Rate BUY ONLINE
$38
Bike Park Day Ticket for Winter Season Passholders* 10am-5pm
$20
Bike Park Day Ticket for Winter EDGE Cardholders
$31
Magic Chair Only (includes GST)
$10
Extended Play Ticket** valid 3:30 - 8 pm
$30
Extended Play Ticket ONLINE Rate BUY ONLINE
$28
Extended Play Ticket for Winter Passholders
$13
Full Day Ticket plus Extended Play
$50
Full Day Ticket plus Extended Play for Winter Season Passholders
$32

ITS THE SAME FREAKING PRICE AS WHISTLER!!!!???????

[.243racer]

wow i can't see why anyone would want to pay 130 bucks to ride for 4 hours on a rented norco a-line on those trails. i really hope cypress makes some more challenging terrain or they might miss a large group of target customers.

[yellowdogx]

Hemlocks pricing

Season Pass Pricing 2005

Season Pass $75.00
Season Pass with Winter Season Pass $50.00
Season Pass with Bro Card $50.00
Daily Mountainbike Ticket $15.00
Daily Mountainbike Ticket with Winter Season Pass $10.00
Daily Mountainbike Ticket with Bro Card $10.00
Single Ride Mountainbike or Sightseeing

$8.00

[jonny.zee]

I think the prices are way too high but I can't say I'm suprised.

IMO, whistler bike park is WAY better value, but people will probably fork up the dough since it's close to Vancouver.

[Couch_Surfer]

wow - 32 for a 4 hour session? That's stiff for an unproven mtb park. I'm surprised they didn't start lower, develop a following then crank up the prices season by season.

[yellowdogx]

sunpeaks prices



Lift Rates
Choose from 26 lift-accessed trails - from high speed DH runs, to sweet freeriding single track, to wide open cruisers. Come ride with your friends, or let the locals show you around!
age category day pass season pass
Adult (19 - 64) $28 $249
Youth (13 - 18) $24 $199
Senior (65+) $24 $149
Child (6 - 12) $14 $149
Family n/a $599

Lift Rates include Mountain Bike and Rider. The Sunburst Chair is equipped with bike racks. GST extra. Rates are subject to change without notice.

[Heatmizer]

I'm not real impressed with their pricing myself. I was really hoping for a local alternative to Whistler, but their mind set seems to be that we'll have to spend less time getting there so we can pay more.

No option for a season's pass

Buying blocks of time @ a premium price instead of a day pass, so if you decide you want to stay later, you get to go stand at the ticket line again - VERY LAME

Their own special bike park card that only offer discounts, no pass option so unlike Whistler you don't have a break even point, you just keep paying everytime.

It was a nice idea, too bad the greed is so openly obvious.

I like that you posted Whistler's rates to compare.

Cypress
8 hours = $64
Whistler (regular day 10am-5pm)
7 hours = $41 ($38 if you buy online)

An hour less riding time but it covers most of your gas money ::)

I don't know what Cypress' operating hours are, so not going to try an compare extended play etc.

I'd have to say that riding @ Cypress will be too rich for my scottish blood. 8 hours riding + gas & food will still be a $100 day or damned close. Or more riding time and a longer day for the same money @ Whistler.

[PhotoFyffer]

that is a rip they for sure willl not be, seeing me up there, sunpeaks is cheaper and has more trails and a way better riding sence. hemlock prices is were they should be for first year. well we will see.

[yellowdogx]

It was a nice idea, too bad the greed is so openly obvious.




My thought exactly!!!

I would pay that much if they had a alot of terrain and was not limited to 4 hours (WTF????)

You would think they would start out smaller and build up to whistler prices....

I am dissapointed, I will save some cash and ride Hemlock I guess..... Or persih the thought actually ride uphill GASP!!!!! :dead:

[yellowdogx]

I
Cypress
8 hours = $64


Should be
8 hours = $40

sorry if the first link was confuzing...still a rip IMHO.

Zach

[Seal]

Anyone know if Cam and the bunch have contacted Cypress re a possible Bro card deal?

[Couch_Surfer]

even at 8 hours for 40 bucks - 1 buck more (if you don't have a pass or an edge card or a bro card or whatever) and you are riding whistler. sure there is some gas money for the 2 hour drive from cypress, but let's call that an even trade for the 220 vertical feet of garbanzo.

We're gonna need an official IFO "No Sale" here pretty soon

Having said all that - I'll have to try it out, cause in the end I'm a sucker that way

[DaveM]

So Cypress will be the same for 8 hours (well $1 less) as Whistler?

As much as I'd like to defend them, that seems a bit out of line.

[sAFETY]

WOW I can't believe how badly Cypress dropped the ball on this one.

-$64 for a 5 hour session
-No option for a season's pass (though that's old news)
-a whopping $2 discount for those that bought winter passes and got screwed by the lack of snow (and cypress refunds).

They must think that they've got no worries with Whistler so far away, but they fail to recognize that their competition is the world's best trails all around them, and available for FREE!!

Cypress needs to fire their business unit for incompetence.

[Couch_Surfer]

how many huckwagon shuttles will 40 bucks get?

[Heatmizer]

Should be
8 hours = $40

sorry if the first link was confuzing...still a rip IMHO.

Zach

Ahhh ok, I see it. I saw the 1st number and didn't properly read the price break down.

This does make more reasonable, but still for that kind of money just drive to one of the local mountains (since you're there anyhow) and hike or shuttle up and save the money.

I was hoping for more reasonable prices as I was looking forward to being able to head up there on my fridays off, or if I wake up late on the weekend head up there for a few hours etc, but with no pass option that'll add up real quick.

The only possible reason/excuse I can come up with when comparing them to Whistler (and yes, they will be compared to Whistler in every way so they might as well get used to it) is that Whitler is private land vs this being provincial park land (or something like that) so the insurance might be more or some other fees associated with the use of public lands etc. It's a guess.

[Uncle Duke]

ah yes this is the cypress mtn mngmnt I have been dealing w as a snow junkie for the past 5-6 yrs (since the new guys bought in)..par for the course.

[Uncle Duke]

this however, does look interesting...


http://www.nsmb.com/shore_news/ranch_opening_06_05.php

[|2ipper]

im still going to whislter every chance i have

[freerider guy]

i agree that this is a little too much money for a fist year bike park. BUT, why don't we all ride the trails and then make the call. You all say that there are world class trails around here. That is true, a lot of the trails were made by a nice fella known as digger, so when he builds trails and actually gets paid to do it, like say on Cypress.... Oh My GOD!!! I bet he put more effort in so they are gonna be even better!!!! Also all the pictures we have seen lately were probly from one of the beginner trails, the ladder pictures put out last year were probly from a different trail which was a little bit harder. Another point is that cypress probly did some research into the bike park before they made the decition to make it and are consequently targeting it towards a certin demographic, so you don't think they are stupid enough to actually build only easy trails with the skills of riders around here and a builder like digger!! Ok, I'm almost done here so stick with me. The builders already have a line picked out and are clearing a path for their A-line type trail. And lastly, because of my volunteering at the mountain bike conference last year, I know that Whistler was and I belive still is helping cypress to get up and running for the first little while. So I'm sure it won't be the craps, and if it is. Just take your GF or family out there and introduce them to bikeing in a non threatening environment so you can take them to whistler eventually.

[yellowdogx]

The builders already have a line picked out and are clearing a path for their A-line type trail.


They are still charging too much if they dont have that much terrain open yet....


How long till they get it cut in and done September???????

[Smoke]

No way man.

This is the dumbest thing I've seen in a LOONNNGGGG time. How the hell could anyone misread the local market that badly?

$49 for the discount card? The Whistler one is $33 for crying out loud.

Man, I know that the bike industry is riddled with flakes, but this really takes the cake.

They should have had an opening month rate of $15 or something. I mean, everyone who rides the Shore thinks that they're some kind of rock star (except me---I know I'm one) so you gotta make it cheap enough that they can't be bothered with asking for free tix.

Pfffft, I'll keep riding the free stuff thanks.

[Heatmizer]

They are still charging too much if they dont have that much terrain open yet....

Totally agree

Cypress = 8 trails totaling 10km

Whistler = approx 50 trails totaling 200km

I got this info from the websites - I didn't bother counting all the trail names on Whistler's map, some of them are multi-section trails etc. I also have no idea if that 200km is all bike park or includes xc stuff too.

But can anyone say they looked at what they're offering and compared it to other mountains when they set their pricing???? I don't think so.

I will go up there for my 4 hours Freeride Guy, just to see what it's like. But the pricing has no incentive for frequent flyers, so I don't think they're going to get many regulars showing up.

[M@M]

I will for sure head up there sometime early in the season, but with those kinds of prices, I dont know if I will be continuing to do so. they could always knock me off my feet with the trails to deserve the lift cost, but to do so, i will need to feel more pumped then after a run at whister, and that could be a VERY tall order.

[Banshee Beast]

I'm thinkin' people will go once or twice and probably realize they're getting ripped off and either go to Whistler instead or just ride the free stuff (Cypress is my favorite mountain:) ) With low crowds they'll probably have to lower the price??

Maybe no one should show up for the first month and see what happens..I can wait!

[M@M]

how many huckwagon shuttles will 40 bucks get?
about 6 with currnet high gas prices

[Smoke]

about 6 with currnet high gas prices

6 runs @ 3000' per run = 15 lower Whistler runs, or one MF of a big day.

[rowdy01]

Also at Whistler you can rest for an hour......have lunch and a beer, then continue your riding. Buying a block of time would make this some what more difficult and more expencive.

Sounds lame....i predict things will change!

[Kevin26]

youch!

[Wayne P]

I'm all for supporting such a venture like this, but this is rediculous! I was on the hopeful side that Cypress would be a good park with great prices. Whether it is or not doesn't matter, because I'll only be up there once at those prices. Maybe not at all. Let's go hike it once.

[Dantes Inferno]

the money vancouverites will save on gas will make this way worth it, plus the bikecard or whatever that was looked killer sweet

[Taylor_P]

block of time = not cool! 4 hours for 32 bucks come one is that some kind of joke?

[skifreak]

the money vancouverites will save on gas will make this way worth it, plus the bikecard or whatever that was looked killer sweet

the bikecard will only get you the first day and then 20% off futher days... so that means...

49 - 32 = 17

32 x 20% = $6.40

17 / 6.40 = 2.66 day passes...

so you have to go 4 days before it pays itself off and you end up paying $25.60 per day still plus taxes...

and

if you go up with all intentions of riding will they limit how many riders are on the hill so that you don't waste your four hours waiting in lineups? which then makes you think - are they going to say when you get up there - sorry - no more room?

Thought I was gonna check it out but I think I'll pass on that one.

[yellowdogx]

Its really sad / to bad that they didnt seem to think this through.... the pictures on the websight, while I was saying give it a chance, dont really do much to justify the high cost to low trail number ratio.

I remember someone on this BB getting a "accidental" email from cypress that actually had substattinaly beter pricing on it than this??? Does any one have a copy???

Pagging Joffrey Koeman!

Would the BB member known as J Koeman please step up to the keyboard!!!!???

[Lady Gravity]

that's very disappointing for an unproven mtb park
that being said, i will likely ride it once...and then go back to riding the free stuff

[yellowdogx]

Silverstar pricing

ummer 2005 Mountain Biking Lift Rates

Single Ride Unlimited Day 2 Day 5pm-7:30pm* Summer Pass*
Adult (19+ years) $14 $33 59 $20 $229
Youth (13-18 years) $13 $30 54 $18 $229
Child (6-12 years) $11 $24 $43 $12 $149
Senior (65+) $11 $24 $43 $12 $149
Family $35 $77 $152 N/A $549

[safetee]

ok wow is all i can say. im working up there right now building the trails and let me tell you, what you see is what you get. All the trails are paved to the max. Not one speck of dirt is from the mountain either, its all trucked in and then wheel burrowed. Yesterday i asked a guy how expensive it was going to be and he said cheap. I thought to myself, ok, id pay 10 - 15 bucks to ride these trails, at least until the better ones come in, which they are planning to do at least. Although the fact it's a provincial park does limit them a frickin lot on what they can do. Basically they're not aloud to ride over roots and crap like that. So i donno, i guess an aline style trail is the only choice they have. Bottom line, 32 dollars is retarded to pay for the trails up there now.

[Brad Dawg]

Not a big look for cypress out there!! YIKES

[yellowdogx]

Comparison of Bc Lift accesd hills:

Mountain Pass trails Vert


Whistler $41.00 41 3239
Cypress $40.00 8? 1620
Silverstar $33.00 12 1600
Sunpeaks $28.00 26 2000
Kicking horse $25.95 27 3700
Hemlock $15.00 6 1000

they are in order of price......

$ to trail ratio

Cypress $5.00
Hemlock $2.50
Silverstar $2.75
Sunpeaks $1.07
Whistler $1.00
Kicking horse $.96


$ to vert ratio

Cypress $.02469
Silverstar $.02062
Hemlock $.01500
Sunpeaks $.01400
Whistler $.01265
Kicking horse $.00701


Not that I am bored or anything...

[mr_fungle]

What a huge downer - I was hoping it would be a great alternative for after-work rides, but this is ridiculous...

[ShoreIH]

Thats is so rediculous. Ill stick to free amazing trails...and whistler if I really want some lift time.

[JSinclair]

We approached Cypress with the Bro Card and they turned us down. They were not interested and gave us the line "We don't want to promote the park heavily in the opening stages"...

OK, Whatever.

Good luck making the Revenue Model work guys.

the local mountians should be 15-20 bucks...and open late so you can go rip after work...
I know if it was 15-20 bucks and I could get 5-8 good runs in after work I would consider it. But since I shuttle I can get 2 full laps in (At least) and it cost me 10 bucks in gas....
Why would I pay 40 bucks to ride a few trails?

[Universe]

Sound like the people managing Cypress are the same people managing Mt Washington.

[Keefer]

Shizzle, way too much.

I realize Digger is building these trails, but he's only spent a couple months on it vs a couple years spent on his other trails.
No sale here.

[yellowdogx]

"We don't want to promote the park heavily in the opening stages"...



No they want to over price it to death, build "paved" trails and watch it die a painful death... :dead:

Did they actulally talk to any mountain bikers before planinf/pricing it out!!!!???

[pakutrick]

I think I might see the reasoning behind this:
They know that they do not have enough trails/vert to support the huge riding community in vancouver so to keep the numbers manageable they are pricing this high.

The demand for lift accessed riding in the lower mainland is so great and they have so few trails that charging this much may actually be a good idea.

I am a little dissapointed but remember that this is still a "trial" type endeavour right now. I also will reserve all judgment of the quality of the park until after I ride it.

[Heatmizer]

Did they actulally talk to any mountain bikers before planinf/pricing it out!!!!???

Damn good question - the weird part is that apparently Whistler is "helping" them get up and running. Whistler started out small many years ago, I have no idea what their pricing was the 1st year but I'd bet it was no where near these opening prices.

I can only guess that the pricing is being dictated by government idiots at some level, in which case it'll be twice the price of Whistler when they double the number of trails :stupid:

[Moocowsia]

Shuttled/lifted riding around Vancouver for a day:

Seymour: $7 for Huckwagon, which you probably won't make more than 3 runs on. So probably about $21 max.
Burnaby Mountain: $2 / ride or $6 for all day.
Cypress: $32-40.

I'm just not seeing it. Might as well spend the extra 10 bucks on gas and get the real shit at Whistler.

[HeadOverWheels]

it will be a short lived attempt at opening a park for Cypress. For a trial year at the very least they should have had mega cheap prices rather than rediculously High prices just to show the support and get feed back from the high volume riders. Not the low experienced rich, low volume riders, oh well they have no other option but to change the prices ????

[Chief]

thats so dumb i might not even go up ill stick to whistler and to think i wasnt gonna buy a seasons pass at whistler to wait for this crap i am damn glad i bought a whistler pass. to have a time limit that is dumb what hapens if you want to have lunch or get a bike repair your gonna lose a lot of your riding time. whistler is definetly worth the extra time and money for the fact that your not getting screwed by the mountain!

[Rat]

Perhaps we are not the target market at all and theier shooting for the typical tourist who wants to say he went mountain biking on the north shore. More of a capilano suspension bridge/Grouse Mountain view type crowd. shit if they will pay 20 bucks to walk over a rope bridge im sure this kind of dough they are charging is peanuts.

My bet is there will be the odd fun little trail that most folks will buck up for once and a while on top of the tourist crowd.

[Dude]

Wow is all I have to say. That, and disappointed.

#1: Why wouldn't you want to promote a new venture?
#2 I was expecting to be able to pay $20.00 or so for lift access riding after 4:00 till close...a reasonable price point. But, at $30.00, I'm reconsidering. At $20, a case can be made for lift access vs. two drives up a hill. But at $30.00...now you're cutting into my beer money.

I'm a huge fan of the unsanctioned trails at Cypress, and was really looking forward to this, but at that price, I don't know if I'll find people to ride with up there. If my friends would rather shuttle up and ride 5th, or Paul Hogan, or coiler, or the Roaches, or Sexboy- you get the picture- I'll just shuttle. Those are already my favorite runs anyhow.

J Koeman: you have to get on this board and somehow justify this to the masses. You had no problem using the board for free promotions before, now it's time to explain the mountain's position on this.

[Dude]

thats so dumb i might not even go up ill stick to whistler and to think i wasnt gonna buy a seasons pass at whistler to wait for this crap i am damn glad i bought a whistler pass. to have a time limit that is dumb what hapens if you want to have lunch or get a bike repair your gonna lose a lot of your riding time. whistler is definetly worth the extra time and money for the fact that your not getting screwed by the mountain!

Less diplomatic than mine, but nailed. Cypress: this is your market survey. Treat it as such, and adjust.

[Uncle Duke]

J Koeman: you have to get on this board and somehow justify this to the masses. You had no problem using the board for free promotions before, now it's time to explain the mountain's position on this.




.....

[trillion]

ok wow is all i can say. im working up there right now building the trails and let me tell you, what you see is what you get. All the trails are paved to the max. Not one speck of dirt is from the mountain either, its all trucked in and then wheel burrowed. Yesterday i asked a guy how expensive it was going to be and he said cheap. I thought to myself, ok, id pay 10 - 15 bucks to ride these trails, at least until the better ones come in, which they are planning to do at least. Although the fact it's a provincial park does limit them a frickin lot on what they can do. Basically they're not aloud to ride over roots and crap like that. So i donno, i guess an aline style trail is the only choice they have. Bottom line, 32 dollars is retarded to pay for the trails up there now.
You work up there and this is how you represent them? This may be how you feel but if you like your job I wouldn't go posting stuff like this.

[bunny]

that is total crap. :(
but i agree with rat. i don't think they want the likes of us up there. they must be going for the tourists/seawall/b-line types. nobody could be so stupid to think people would pay that much with free trails and whistler so close.
if that's what they are after it's their choice... but it's a bummer.

[patrolskid]

seems pretty obvious they are not going after the local rider with this plan ; they must know we are all a bunch of cheap bastards anyway .

it would have been nice for them to have the support of the local crowd . you gvrd locals are the ones who could have been the bread and butter , bill paying clientele that keeps butts in the seats when the out of town tourists are slow for whatever reason .

i'm guessing their plan is to truck in busloads of said out of towners who are willing to pay premium dollar to ride " THE NORTH SHORE " on trails built by " THE DIGGER " .

hey , i hope it works out for them . . . .

oh , here's a point . . . since this venture is being carried out in a provincial park , and commercial ventures ( tenures ) can not take precedence over public use of said same resource , what will be the position on riders who choose not to use the lift system to access these trails ? do these trails not fall into the same access category as any other trail on cypress ?

[Uncle Duke]

seems pretty obvious they are not going after the local rider with this plan ; they must know we are all a bunch of cheap bastards anyway .

it would have been nice for them to have the support of the local crowd . you gvrd locals are the ones who could have been the bread and butter , bill paying clientele that keeps butts in the seats when the out of town tourists are slow f
oh , here's a point . . . since this venture is being carried out in a provincial park , and commercial ventures ( tenures ) can not take precedence over public use of said same resource , what will be the position on riders who choose not to use the lift system to access these trails ? do these trails not fall into the same access category as any other trail on cypress ?


they wont go for that.

[big ben]

I personally think this bike park is a mistake. I know I'm not from around there, but I've been to and ridden van/whistler many times, and the space that they have for this bike park doesn't seem enough for the crowds I expect will be drawn to cypress. lift-serviced trails will only further erode these trails that seem so delicate already, not to mention the possibility of over-crowded trails resulting in displeased riders. just my $0.02

[Uncle Duke]

I personally think this bike park is a mistake. I know I'm not from around there, but I've been to and ridden van/whistler many times, and the space that they have for this bike park doesn't seem enough for the crowds I expect will be drawn to cypress. lift-serviced trails will only further erode these trails that seem so delicate already, not to mention the possibility of over-crowded trails resulting in displeased riders. just my $0.02


^^nah , not true,,, a park up at cipes , that was affordable for the locals and had some good flowing gnar for entry to advanced riders, would be sweet!!

[amg]

Hemlocks pricing

Season Pass Pricing 2005

Season Pass $75.00
Season Pass with Winter Season Pass $50.00
Season Pass with Bro Card $50.00
Daily Mountainbike Ticket $15.00
Daily Mountainbike Ticket with Winter Season Pass $10.00
Daily Mountainbike Ticket with Bro Card $10.00
Single Ride Mountainbike or Sightseeing

$8.00

I don't think it's fair to include Hemlock as a comparison. It's out in the middle of nowhere, has few amenities, and is up a road that's hard on the average car, so they have to be really cheap.

[Silk]

Perhaps we are not the target market at all and theier shooting for the typical tourist who wants to say he went mountain biking on the north shore. More of a capilano suspension bridge/Grouse Mountain view type crowd. shit if they will pay 20 bucks to walk over a rope bridge im sure this kind of dough they are charging is peanuts.

My bet is there will be the odd fun little trail that most folks will buck up for once and a while on top of the tourist crowd.

I think you hit it exactly

Heaven forbid us locals actually grow some legs and ride up at a cost of $0.00. I feel that I don't deserve to ride down if I did not ride up, but then again im a fool....

[Dude]

Ben,

Building more trails for the users does not mean every user will go to the new trail. It means the current system will see fewer riders.

Besides, as Whistler has proven, a trail system supported commercially affords a crew to maintain the park.

In theory, this should be a win-win, but the pricing- not to mention a very quiet J Koeman- indicates that the park is aiming tourist revenue, not locals. Compare it to the "Downhill" bike rides down Mount Kaleakalah (sp) on Maui...complete cash grabs.

Again, it would be nice to get a responce from Mr. Koeman to clear this up...what is the target market here? Do they want local riders or no?

[Rat]

From a business point of view its not a bad plan. Id rather charge twice as much to a group half the size that require a 5th of the trails. These people will probably drop twice the cash on the place in terms of rentals/T-shirts and the like. that being said Im not so sure there are enough noob tourist that really want to ride a bike park but then again the whole capilano suspension bridge baffles me as well.

If they do want our buisness all they have to do is build some gnarly trails and drop the price and we would all go there anyway.

[patrolskid]

duke , i'm no expert on these issues , but they may have no choice . think of it like the parking ticket issue . we all know ( or should ) that they may have authority to issue parking tickets , but they have no authority to enforce ( collect / tow ) those tickets .

i don't think you'd see a parade of riders heading up there , considering all the other options . i raised this merely as a technical , somewhat hypothetical point for discussion .

from this laymans viewpoint , of course , the trails are built within a provincial park . that is public land , that already has a history of mountain bike activity on it . whether those trails are built by a public or private ( commercial ) party , my understanding is that no member of the public shall be prevented from using the resource . it would seem that as long as you are not using the lift to get to the top of the trails , you would just be another rider , riding another trail in the network of trails on cypress . . . .

[Rat]

well they stop people from driving up the road in the shoulder season so im sure they could stop people from poaching the trails.

[big ben]

I can't comment on this confidently as I don't ride the shore regularly, but does it not seem that, in the hub of the mountain bike universe, there will be too many trailusers for the given space they have for this bike park? on cypress' website, the trail system seems less than extensive in comparison to whistler. maybe I can't really tell from just an internet trailmap, but this appears to be true. now, with the huge population of bikers in the vancouver area, won't this park be overflowing with riders? plus, it's right in north van, so more people live near it than whistler, which could lead to even bigger crowds than whistler draws. we'll have to wait and see what happens, but I think there's a definite possibility of overly-crowded trails.

[sAFETY]

duke , i'm no expert on these issues , but they may have no choice . think of it like the parking ticket issue . we all know ( or should ) that they may have authority to issue parking tickets , but they have no authority to enforce ( collect / tow ) those tickets .

i don't think you'd see a parade of riders heading up there , considering all the other options . i raised this merely as a technical , somewhat hypothetical point for discussion .

from this laymans viewpoint , of course , the trails are built within a provincial park . that is public land , that already has a history of mountain bike activity on it . whether those trails are built by a public or private ( commercial ) party , my understanding is that no member of the public shall be prevented from using the resource . it would seem that as long as you are not using the lift to get to the top of the trails , you would just be another rider , riding another trail in the network of trails on cypress . . . .


I'm sure this issue has been adressed with skiing and snowboarding, does anyone know how that played out?

[Dude]

Ben,

AS you can see, the price point will solve the problem of over-crowding. I just hope that the place has "double black diamond", good old fashion Cypress gnarl.

At the end of the day, more trails in this area will help lessen overall erosion. On that particular hill, if the lines are too long, people will go elsewhwhere.

[a-d-s]

Even if this is a tourist money grab, they could have still given locals a break (such as a cheap seaon's pass or Bro-Card tpe deals). Look at what Grouse charges for the skyride in the summer: $22 for a day, or $65 for a seasons pass...so the tourist who is there for one day will pay the $22 (and get ripped) but the local who hikes alot buys the pass and it's a good deal. Someone didn't think this through. :???:

As for the numbers vs. small area...it's the same issue with skiing/boarding in the winter, it all evens out as the large crowds head to Whistler for more/longer/better runs and smaller lift lines.

- A

[big ben]

Ben,

AS you can see, the price point will solve the problem of over-crowding. I just hope that the place has "double black diamond", good old fashion Cypress gnarl.

At the end of the day, more trails in this area will help lessen overall erosion. On that particular hill, if the lines are too long, people will go elsewhwhere.
just wondering, how will this bike park affect older shore trails that are not lift-serviced? are they taking trails that have been on the shore for awhile now, or are they creating their own trails for the bike park alone?

[biopace]

I think I might see the reasoning behind this:
They know that they do not have enough trails/vert to support the huge riding community in vancouver so to keep the numbers manageable they are pricing this high.

The demand for lift accessed riding in the lower mainland is so great and they have so few trails that charging this much may actually be a good idea.

I am a little dissapointed but remember that this is still a "trial" type endeavour right now. I also will reserve all judgment of the quality of the park until after I ride it.

I think this might be the most intelligent post I've read in this thread.

How many people just spent time slagging trails they haven't even ridden, let alone seen?

Cypress has what, 10 runs, and far less lift capacity than Whistler. They simply cannot accomodate huge numbers of riders right now. $20 lift prices would mean huge numbers, which would mean over used and thrashed trails (which looks bad environmentally, especially for a "trial" enterprise) and lineups (which gives the hill a bad reputation that is difficult to erase).

Plus, they're only going to be open for 2-3 months (as far as I know). It may turn out to be a good opening strategy: high prices keep numbers down for the first season. Riders post good reviews, as the trails aren't getting trashed by hordes of riders and they don't have to wait in line. Then next season they can advertise even more new trails with lower prices, once the operation is running more smoothly.

Annnnnnnd, for the conspiracy theorist in me, the Whistler connection brings up the possibility that in exchange for Whistler's help, Cypress had to agree to keep their prices in parity with Whistler for a specified period of time (to protect Whistler from having their market drained too much by Cypress).

Just thoughts...

[apeshape]

Lame. Those prices are sure to keep the repeat riders away. Whistler has 5+ years of inflation, multiple times the riding vertical and their pricing is still cheaper which is what shocks me the most. To be fair, I'll probably go to try it out for one day but with those prices I can't see myself up there very often when I can ride any of the local hills for the price of a few drops of sweat or a 1/4 tank of gas. It's a shame really because I think most of us were looking forward to the after work/school lift access. Kudos to Cypress for completely misjudging the market and the spending habits of the largest population of DH riders in North America. See you all at Whistler.

[Lady Gravity]

Plus, they're only going to be open for 2-3 months (as far as I know). It may turn out to be a good opening strategy: high prices keep numbers down for the first season. Riders post good reviews, as the trails aren't getting trashed by hordes of riders and they don't have to wait in line. Then next season they can advertise even more new trails with lower prices, once the operation is running more smoothly.

interesting points, however, do you REALLY think they would lower the lift price for next year? i think in the real world that is hardly going to happen.

also, someone mentioned gnarl trails...judging by the post from the one guy that is working on the trails at the moment, it appears that they are not allowed to have trails that erode roots and rocks and have to cover everything with dirt.

i'm with rat on this - the average mtnbiker is not their target market.

another 2 weeks and we'll hopefully see what the trails are really like.

[thewwkayaker]

Well with everyone saying they'll just go once Cypress should be OK in terms of making money! :-p

I'll wait for the reports from those who go to decide if it's worth my $32 or $40 - but I really doubt it will be. So in advance I'd like to thank those who plan to go and write up a report of their findings.

[whistler110]

That price set up is truly a disappointment.

I don't think the prices are too bad but to put a time limit and not offer a seasons pass just seems stupid. It is very dificult to raise prices once you open so it's better to start where they are and then not increase in the following year then to be too low losing money and try to play catch up. We do't know what the overhead in insurance and trail building is so these prices may be necessary to operate. My gripe would be with the time limit, what if I get a flat or mechanical and it takes time to fix or worse yet if someone in your party gets injured and you have to deal with that. Are they going to give you that extra time back or a refund?

The regional market is the only market worth targeting, you can see on any day at Whistler that the destination crowd is not what drives the numbers.

This park is smaller and may have some over crowding problems but with those lift prices that should keep things under control, and if they're realy worried about it just limit the number of tickets you sell each day. Private ski hills in the States do that and it works.

[APT]

I agree with Rat that it seems like they are targeting a different market with the pricing structure. I'd say it would work rather well for younger riders who rely on their parents to drive them up to whistler. When parents look at the pricing, they'll think its a good deal because it is still local and it is alot cheaper compared to the whistler trip (after factoring gas, food, etc.)

[skifreak]

Easy fix for them would be - get rid of the 4 hr time limit - otherwise if I was to wait 2 minutes to get on the chair or have it stop part way up I'd be expecting an extension...

I think most people could deal with the price as it stands if it was 32 for the whole day.

[j koeman]

To answer some of the questions in this Forum.

As many have mentioned capacity is an issue for the first phase of the New Bike Park.

We are not having season passes for the First Phase of operation for many reasons. As you know this is a late start and we really don't know how long the season will go to. Being the first season and limited number of trails we will have open for the July 1 start, we are also going to have capacity issue until we open further trails over the summer months. We simply can't hold a large number of passholders at the park everyday until we open our other trails. As we move out of Phase One of the park next season we will hopefully have the capacity to offer a Season Pass program and offer further discounts to the frequent users of the Bike Park.

If you do plan to come more than once this summer please have a look at the Cypress BikeCard, which offers the first time up Free and at least 20% off ticket rates every time you come after that. We are going to have a opening sale on the BikeCard so stay in touch with our website for special
offers as we get closer to July 1.

Thanks again for the amount of comments and feedback both in this forum and directly to Cypress. We hope to have enough trails open in phase 1 to get everyone enthused about the future of the New North Shore Bike Park.


Thanks
Joffrey

[apeshape]

Their reasoning is logical as far as season's passes goes. I just don't know if pricing their bike park out of the reach of sensible spenders is the best solution. I'm for limiting the number of tickets at a lower rate. We've all been to the movie theatres or bought movie tickets online so we as the buying public understand capacity. If they find that the bike park can support more people then they can increase the limit to accomodate more people.

[SkunkworkS]

I'm disappointed. Cypress sure won't see me up there.

Then again, if Cypress was trying to target the "Tourist" crowds, what was J Koeman doing on these boards in the first place?

[jace mace]

The irony is too great...proletariate greetings starts the thread:...when it seems the economics/business modus operandi is geared towards the extraneous bourgeois transients aka tourists with elevated remuneration by default...Other notes, how fast/ what type of chair are the using? Will the proposed West Van. municipal bike park be governed by the same (environmental) laws regarding roots/rocks etc.? Or as the property is just out of the provincial park, not be applied by the muni? More comments later.

[yellowdogx]

The irony is too great...proletariate greetings starts the thread:...when it seems the economics/business modus operandi is geared towards the extraneous bourgeois transients aka tourists with elevated remuneration by default...


:agree: good stuff!

[biopace]

As far as the "4hour pass for $32, additional 4 hours for $8" goes, I'm sure they have some reasoning behind it. Some ideas:

1. Perhaps their connection with Whistler availed them of the knowledge that a large percentage of riders don't actually ride all day - many are too tired after 3-4 hours of hard riding. In which case the scheme could make sense.

2. Try to think of it in this way: $40 for a full day pass, $32 for an afternoon pass. ie an $8 discount for those who get off work early and head up for the afternoon.




As far as the seemingly high prices: I bet the thinking is something like this:
- the trails on Cypress can currently only handle X number of riders per day.
- we estimate an average of X-y riders per day for the season.
- based on this estimate of average ridership, we need to charge $40 per full day ticket for this new enterprise to be at all profitable.

That doesn't sound so unreasonable, now does it?

[Moocowsia]

The irony is too great...proletariate greetings starts the thread:...when it seems the economics/business modus operandi is geared towards the extraneous bourgeois transients aka tourists with elevated remuneration by default...Other notes, how fast/ what type of chair are the using? Will the proposed West Van. municipal bike park be governed by the same (environmental) laws regarding roots/rocks etc.? Or as the property is just out of the provincial park, not be applied by the muni? More comments later.

Its a Doppelmayr High Speed Quad just like Whistler. I'm not sure about with bike carriers but they pretty much always run less chairs on the line than they could.

[mattj]

I'm personally ok with the pricing model. Think of it as $40 for the day of riding and $32 for half day. Since many of us expressed interest in riding after school or after work it seems like a bonus that they're offering us a discounted price when we don't ride all day.

The reasoning for no season passes is sound. They need real numbers based on sales to ever get anyhting more than Phase One.

As to why they would have turned away the bro card discount idea that's kind of crummy but maybe they felt it wasn't enough of a mutual benefit to justify it...

Not many of us here are MBA graduates and noone here with the exception of Joffrey are aware of all the business factors affecting Cypress bike park. So I don't think it's right for us to be complaining about their business model. They have a business to run and I'm certain they know more about the reasoning for their pricing structure than we do.

Jace Mace is Clockwork Orange your favourite book? I haven't seen such "verbal showing off" since I tried to grind through that book...


-m

[Bryce]

I was looking forward to riding Cypes in the evening after work... WAS. Very disappointing.

[Bryce]

They have a business to run and I'm certain they know more about the reasoning for their pricing structure than we do.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$

[S-Dawg]

If u plan on driving to the north shore u might as well ride seymour, If u can drive to cypress u can drive to seymour and its free. It better be good otherwise I cant see people paying when theres amazing shuttleable riding surronding them at no cost. But if it compares to other ski hills then i will still go, i was really hopeing to save some money though.

[dirty deeds]

Not many of us here are MBA graduates and noone here with the exception of Joffrey are aware of all the business factors affecting Cypress bike park. So I don't think it's right for us to be complaining about their business model. They have a business to run and I'm certain they know more about the reasoning for their pricing structure than we do.
-m

um, we're actually their core CUSTOMERS, and even someone who got their MBA from the back of a corn flakes box will tell you we're the 1st ones they should be paying attention to.

[mattj]

There's more to operating a business than addressing what customers WANT. That's the point I was trying to make. Yes of course we, the customers, all WANT it to be cheaper, and I'm certain they're aware of this fact.


-m

[biopace]

I'm not sure the pricing schedule had anything to do with what customers want.

For example:

Cost to run bike park per day: $5,000
Number of riders the trails / mountain can handle per day: 150
That would be $33.33 per person, just to cover costs.

(I have no idea what the actual numbers are, just trying to make a point as to how they might have decided on a ticket price)

You can't have unlimited riders on 10 or so trails every day, no matter how well they are built.

[Rat]

bottom line, sell you product at whatever the market will bear.


the other major ski hills want to bring you up to thier resorts to spend money on lodging, beer, real estate. Its all about having a four season resort these days so they may have a differnt formula when it comes to pricing lift access biking.

[dirty deeds]

For all their 'sharkiness' you've got to give intrawest props for having the sense and vision to develop a long term concept and being very sharp in understanding the customer and offering fair pricing for the product as it develops.

The BIG difference between WBP and CBP; is that Cypress doesn't have the luxury of spin off benefits and revenue that WBP does. Intrawest can afford to run the bike park at break even or a loss because they benefit in so many other areas - food, beverage, real estate, hotel rooms.

Cypress has to justify their bike park as a bike park. That is going to be tough, but ultimately doable given the strength of the local riding community.

However, I think they are doomed if they scare their core customer base away with overpricing an underdeveloped product in the first year or two. Cypress management has to convince Cypress ownership that they have to lose money for the first couple of years until they can develop the product.

[TheRob]

ok wow is all i can say. im working up there right now building the trails and let me tell you, what you see is what you get. All the trails are paved to the max. Not one speck of dirt is from the mountain either, its all trucked in and then wheel burrowed. Yesterday i asked a guy how expensive it was going to be and he said cheap. I thought to myself, ok, id pay 10 - 15 bucks to ride these trails, at least until the better ones come in, which they are planning to do at least. Although the fact it's a provincial park does limit them a frickin lot on what they can do. Basically they're not aloud to ride over roots and crap like that. So i donno, i guess an aline style trail is the only choice they have. Bottom line, 32 dollars is retarded to pay for the trails up there now.Can Mr. Koeman comment on the techniques being used to build the trails up there? Are they "paved"?

I more than likely will be up for at least one after work evening. Maybe even two depending on whether I like it or not. Yes, $32 is a little high, but until I try it out and see what it's like and if it is worth it, I won't complain about it.

[trout]

First the trails weren't hard enough, now it's too expensive.

Ride more, bitch less.

[Rat]

9 more trails to add to the hundreds within 45 minute drive of my house. anouther Lift access mountain in BC. boy we have it rough

[Wayne P]

Its perfectly fine to bitch when there's a reason to bitch. How else are you going to effect change? Takin' it like a man does solve anything sometimes.

Jace Mace, I have no idea what you said.

[Smoke]

To answer some of the questions in this Forum.

As many have mentioned capacity is an issue for the first phase of the New Bike Park.

We are not having season passes for the First Phase of operation for many reasons. As you know this is a late start and we really don't know how long the season will go to. Being the first season and limited number of trails we will have open for the July 1 start, we are also going to have capacity issue until we open further trails over the summer months. We simply can't hold a large number of passholders at the park everyday until we open our other trails. As we move out of Phase One of the park next season we will hopefully have the capacity to offer a Season Pass program and offer further discounts to the frequent users of the Bike Park.

If you do plan to come more than once this summer please have a look at the Cypress BikeCard, which offers the first time up Free and at least 20% off ticket rates every time you come after that. We are going to have a opening sale on the BikeCard so stay in touch with our website for special
offers as we get closer to July 1.

Thanks again for the amount of comments and feedback both in this forum and directly to Cypress. We hope to have enough trails open in phase 1 to get everyone enthused about the future of the New North Shore Bike Park.


Thanks
Joffrey


Let's be straight here. Besides, I'm never one to beat around the bush.....

You're an idiot. You're sitting on a million dollar concept and you're going to nickle and dime it to an early grave. Don't give me that MBA crap. You want success? Put lots of riders on the mountain.

"Oooooh! I'm scared of succeeding. Let's price it out of reach."

"Capacity is an issue." So.....you put a premium price tag on it. "This car only has three out of four wheels right now....but later it will have all of them, so you should just buy it at full price and deal with it." Do I have sucker in big fat letters all over my forehead? Let me check....nope, just some zits from my stinky helmet.

I hear that you did "extensive research" before coming up with that pricing. If I was your boss, you would be so fired right now. It's a joke, and a slap in the face to the whole industry. The figures quoted earlier are generous towards you. It's 5 trails, and only 300m (1000') of vert. in the park. If you are able to sell this crap to your superiors, what the hell are you wasting your talents in the recreation industry for? You should be pimping Enron deals on Wall street with balls like that.

4 hours for that much money? That's a big incentive to hurt people. Gotta get my money's worth, no time to rest. Welcome to the world of the compound fracture. I predict at least 6 bones sticking out of the skin on opening day.

Hardtails in the rental fleet? Jr T's on the big bikes? You'll lose your shirt on the mechanical repairs, let alone the first aid staffing. Chris is going to be one busy camper this summer if anybody can be bothered to show up.

Your discount card is 67% more than a Whistler Express card! Are you insane or just stupid? Again, if you did the research, you should be fired....and maybe fined too. For that matter, whatever school you went to should be closed, burned, paved over, and never allowed to "teach" another sentient being again.

That response was worthy of a Liberal explaining the sponsorship scandal. If you can sell me on your little bike park BS, then you'll succeed. So far, you're not doing so good.


...and your spelling and grammar suck too.

[yellowdogx]

Let's be straight here. Besides, I'm never one to beat around the bush.....

You're an idiot. You're sitting on a million dollar concept and you're going to nickle and dime it to an early grave. Don't give me that MBA crap. You want success? Put lots of riders on the mountain.

"Oooooh! I'm scared of succeeding. Let's price it out of reach."

"Capacity is an issue." So.....you put a premium price tag on it. "This car only has three out of four wheels right now....but later it will have all of them, so you should just buy it at full price and deal with it." Do I have sucker in big fat letters all over my forehead? Let me check....nope, just some zits from my stinky helmet.

I hear that you did "extensive research" before coming up with that pricing. If I was your boss, you would be so fired right now. It's a joke, and a slap in the face to the whole industry. The figures quoted earlier are generous towards you. It's 5 trails, and only 300m (1000') of vert. in the park. If you are able to sell this crap to your superiors, what the hell are you wasting your talents in the recreation industry for? You should be pimping Enron deals on Wall street with balls like that.

4 hours for that much money? That's a big incentive to hurt people. Gotta get my money's worth, no time to rest. Welcome to the world of the compound fracture. I predict at least 6 bones sticking out of the skin on opening day.

Hardtails in the rental fleet? Jr T's on the big bikes? You'll lose your shirt on the mechanical repairs, let alone the first aid staffing. Chris is going to be one busy camper this summer if anybody can be bothered to show up.

Your discount card is 67% more than a Whistler Express card! Are you insane or just stupid? Again, if you did the research, you should be fired....and maybe fined too. For that matter, whatever school you went to should be closed, burned, paved over, and never allowed to "teach" another sentient being again.

That response was worthy of a Liberal explaining the sponsorship scandal. If you can sell me on your little bike park BS, then you'll succeed. So far, you're not doing so good.


...and your spelling and grammar suck too.


HOLY F!

Someone with enough balls to call it like it is!!!
I forse a future new signature for me in the above post THANKS!!!
See you on Seymore this summer Smoke!!

[brentomatic]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[trout]

This thread is comic genius. We all live sorrounded by trails built by volunteers, the majority of these trails are on crown land, owned by the province. We ride bikes worth over 3k and have time to post on computers worth at least a grand more. Yet the man is bringing us down. lol.

PS Chairlift mountain biking is bourgeois.

[big ben]

Let's be straight here. Besides, I'm never one to beat around the bush.....

You're an idiot. You're sitting on a million dollar concept and you're going to nickle and dime it to an early grave. Don't give me that MBA crap. You want success? Put lots of riders on the mountain.

"Oooooh! I'm scared of succeeding. Let's price it out of reach."

"Capacity is an issue." So.....you put a premium price tag on it. "This car only has three out of four wheels right now....but later it will have all of them, so you should just buy it at full price and deal with it." Do I have sucker in big fat letters all over my forehead? Let me check....nope, just some zits from my stinky helmet.

I hear that you did "extensive research" before coming up with that pricing. If I was your boss, you would be so fired right now. It's a joke, and a slap in the face to the whole industry. The figures quoted earlier are generous towards you. It's 5 trails, and only 300m (1000') of vert. in the park. If you are able to sell this crap to your superiors, what the hell are you wasting your talents in the recreation industry for? You should be pimping Enron deals on Wall street with balls like that.

4 hours for that much money? That's a big incentive to hurt people. Gotta get my money's worth, no time to rest. Welcome to the world of the compound fracture. I predict at least 6 bones sticking out of the skin on opening day.

Hardtails in the rental fleet? Jr T's on the big bikes? You'll lose your shirt on the mechanical repairs, let alone the first aid staffing. Chris is going to be one busy camper this summer if anybody can be bothered to show up.

Your discount card is 67% more than a Whistler Express card! Are you insane or just stupid? Again, if you did the research, you should be fired....and maybe fined too. For that matter, whatever school you went to should be closed, burned, paved over, and never allowed to "teach" another sentient being again.

That response was worthy of a Liberal explaining the sponsorship scandal. If you can sell me on your little bike park BS, then you'll succeed. So far, you're not doing so good.


...and your spelling and grammar suck too.
you're my hero

[Rat]

If in two years the park is finaly rocking and they maintain thier price at 40 bucks or even raise the price. I doubt many folks will be avoiding it because they felt they were gouged a couple of years ago.

I also wouldnt be supprised if insurance costs shut down alot of our lift access bike parks in the future.

[Couch_Surfer]

I suppose putting Smoke's entire post into my sig would be a little excessive... so I'll simply give up a resounding "You Magnificent Bastard!!"

[theweev]

Let's be straight here. Besides, I'm never one to beat around the bush.....

You're an idiot. You're sitting on a million dollar concept and you're going to nickle and dime it to an early grave. Don't give me that MBA crap. You want success? Put lots of riders on the mountain.

"Oooooh! I'm scared of succeeding. Let's price it out of reach."

"Capacity is an issue." So.....you put a premium price tag on it. "This car only has three out of four wheels right now....but later it will have all of them, so you should just buy it at full price and deal with it." Do I have sucker in big fat letters all over my forehead? Let me check....nope, just some zits from my stinky helmet.

I hear that you did "extensive research" before coming up with that pricing. If I was your boss, you would be so fired right now. It's a joke, and a slap in the face to the whole industry. The figures quoted earlier are generous towards you. It's 5 trails, and only 300m (1000') of vert. in the park. If you are able to sell this crap to your superiors, what the hell are you wasting your talents in the recreation industry for? You should be pimping Enron deals on Wall street with balls like that.

4 hours for that much money? That's a big incentive to hurt people. Gotta get my money's worth, no time to rest. Welcome to the world of the compound fracture. I predict at least 6 bones sticking out of the skin on opening day.

Hardtails in the rental fleet? Jr T's on the big bikes? You'll lose your shirt on the mechanical repairs, let alone the first aid staffing. Chris is going to be one busy camper this summer if anybody can be bothered to show up.

Your discount card is 67% more than a Whistler Express card! Are you insane or just stupid? Again, if you did the research, you should be fired....and maybe fined too. For that matter, whatever school you went to should be closed, burned, paved over, and never allowed to "teach" another sentient being again.

That response was worthy of a Liberal explaining the sponsorship scandal. If you can sell me on your little bike park BS, then you'll succeed. So far, you're not doing so good.


...and your spelling and grammar suck too.


well that pretty much does it then .lock up the store turn out the lights and turn in your MBA at the door. god love you man.

[SkunkworkS]

I :heart: Smoke. *hug*

[Uncle Duke]

duke , i'm no expert on these issues , but they may have no choice . think of it like the parking ticket issue . we all know ( or should ) that they may have authority to issue parking tickets , but they have no authority to enforce ( collect / tow ) those tickets .

i don't think you'd see a parade of riders heading up there , considering all the other options . i raised this merely as a technical , somewhat hypothetical point for discussion .

from this laymans viewpoint , of course , the trails are built within a provincial park . that is public land , that already has a history of mountain bike activity on it . whether those trails are built by a public or private ( commercial ) party , my understanding is that no member of the public shall be prevented from using the resource . it would seem that as long as you are not using the lift to get to the top of the trails , you would just be another rider , riding another trail in the network of trails on cypress . . . .


I agree w your point..I only base my opinion on the fact they dont let hikers ride down the ski hill in the winter,,,same concept Im thinking.. :greedy:

[Wayne P]

I guess Smoke really is hung like a horse with those kahooooonas.

[Freestyler]

'Rough' to say the least, but you nailed it

I find it hard to believe that any *real* market research occurred. The 4hr time block idea and whislter pricing is great is proof of this. The competetion is not really between whistler tho (as cypress will not be able to compete on their level for many years) but instead, the competion is all of the NorthShore. To which i'll add is priced at zero dollars per run with unlimited access to trials that have been around for decades. Seems kinda a funny doesnt it? The only thing thus far proven to me, is that the Huckwagon is an amazing deal.

Let's be honest. When/if the other phases occur, the prices will not drop, regardless of intent. the costs and increased services from the other phases wont see a drop in price. to say so is absurb... "hey look! i'm spending money developing something, increasing operating costs and competing against literally free riding... yet i'm planning to drop the price".
dont dangle that carrot.

It sounds to me that the worry is capasity. An underdeveloped service, should have underdeveloped prices to reflect the quality and maturity of said service. the hill hasnt even opened, and your worried about capasity? sounds a-bit presumptuous to me, no? your assuming that your going to have capasity worry about in the first place.
Well, until something changes, i'm going to be one less rider filling that capasity. See you'all at the yellow gates.

*my 2 cents*
A

[Big Dipper]

Perhaps we are not the target market at all and theier shooting for the typical tourist who wants to say he went mountain biking on the north shore. More of a capilano suspension bridge/Grouse Mountain view type crowd. shit if they will pay 20 bucks to walk over a rope bridge im sure this kind of dough they are charging is peanuts.

My bet is there will be the odd fun little trail that most folks will buck up for once and a while on top of the tourist crowd.

Bingo! Just like skiing the mass market is the beginer/intermediate people who go for hot chocolate between runs. Us double black brown bag lunch types are not as desirable. Issue is that Cypress will have to create that low end market.

Truth is Cypress has no clue what their market is. Expect them to adapt to what works for them. That's the point of the 2 month trial as well as proving environmental sustainability to their landlords and NIMYs. They need to test the trails out before going full boar. Enticing the MTB hords to show up right away may make management feel good but cause fear in the eyes of Firends of Cypress and BC Parks.

Also you can't compare value of HuckWagon to Value of Cypress as Huckwagon is subsidized by all the efforts of volunteer trail builders like the NSMBA and absent land owners - while private land owners have major construction, operation and insurance overhead.

Another point with Cypress is that they have to spend a lot more $$ to build their trails than Whistler or Sun Peaks did because they are in a provincial park with stricter permits. IMO they are doing the right thing given the limited terrain of Black Mtn by building the trails right the first time instead of just slashing them in like Whistler and Sun Peak where they will inevitably have to abandon some lines.

Cypress will succeed - there are sure to be enough low skill bike whores to fill the lift. Question remains whether this will decrease these riders from the local trails or invitably increase their numbers as the bike park draws more people into the sport.

[Uncle Duke]

hey smoke cmon man I know you are on the down low and correct in this matter ... but still calling a guy an idiot and all? That doesnt help a whole lot..IMO..

not to rumble w mr smoke as I enjoy 98% of yer postage..



Let's be straight here. Besides, I'm never one to beat around the bush.....

You're an idiot. You're sitting on a million dollar concept and you're going to nickle and dime it to an early grave. Don't give me that MBA crap. You want success? Put lots of riders on the mountain.

"Oooooh! I'm scared of succeeding. Let's price it out of reach."

"Capacity is an issue." So.....you put a premium price tag on it. "This car only has three out of four wheels right now....but later it will have all of them, so you should just buy it at full price and deal with it." Do I have sucker in big fat letters all over my forehead? Let me check....nope, just some zits from my stinky helmet.

I hear that you did "extensive research" before coming up with that pricing. If I was your boss, you would be so fired right now. It's a joke, and a slap in the face to the whole industry. The figures quoted earlier are generous towards you. It's 5 trails, and only 300m (1000') of vert. in the park. If you are able to sell this crap to your superiors, what the hell are you wasting your talents in the recreation industry for? You should be pimping Enron deals on Wall street with balls like that.

4 hours for that much money? That's a big incentive to hurt people. Gotta get my money's worth, no time to rest. Welcome to the world of the compound fracture. I predict at least 6 bones sticking out of the skin on opening day.

Hardtails in the rental fleet? Jr T's on the big bikes? You'll lose your shirt on the mechanical repairs, let alone the first aid staffing. Chris is going to be one busy camper this summer if anybody can be bothered to show up.

Your discount card is 67% more than a Whistler Express card! Are you insane or just stupid? Again, if you did the research, you should be fired....and maybe fined too. For that matter, whatever school you went to should be closed, burned, paved over, and never allowed to "teach" another sentient being again.

That response was worthy of a Liberal explaining the sponsorship scandal. If you can sell me on your little bike park BS, then you'll succeed. So far, you're not doing so good.


...and your spelling and grammar suck too.

[superman_4]

Hehehe you suckers live on the wrong side of B.C. Im ripping up 3700" big feet of vertical at Kicking Horse tomorow for FIVE BUCKS!!! Thats right bitches, assuming I do 5 runs (and I'll have to GIVER to do that) I'll be paying $1 per run, or 0.027027 CENTS per foot of vertical. 27 trails to ride, and Mount Seven is only a few minutes away!

[Uncle Duke]

Hehehe you suckers live on the wrong side of B.C. Im ripping up 3700" big feet of vertical at Kicking Horse tomorow for FIVE BUCKS!!! Thats right bitches, assuming I do 5 runs (and I'll have to GIVER to do that) I'll be paying $1 per run, or 0.027027 CENTS per foot of vertical. 27 trails to ride, and Mount Seven is only a few minutes away!



now thats the way to do it..

finally golden can run those lifts for something... :dizzy:

[sAFETY]

Also you can't compare value of HuckWagon to Value of Cypress as Huckwagon is subsidized by all the efforts of volunteer trail builders like the NSMBA whole private land owners have construction, operation and insurance overhead.

As a rider (not an investor) that's exactly what you have to do, consider the VALUE you get for your $$ when spent one way or another. When deciding what you're going to ride for a day you don't think to yourself

"Well, Huckwagon is cheaper, lets me ride better trails, and offers more variety. However, in spite of their inferior trails, the lift lines, and the fact that they cost significantly more, I'll choose Cypress because they have greater overhead costs."

This will all become a moot point when we come to accept that Cypress doesn't want the local riding community's support for the time being.

[bunny]

like i said before. they don't want the likes of us on their mtn. i think that's fine. their logic DOES make sense and it is their business to run however they want. i've been critisized a lot for my business practices (turning away a lot of business that i just don't want). in the end i'm happy and i'll assume so is cypress. i/we may not like it but we are so lucky to have all the other riding so close. i also agree with rat again that in 2 years when they have better trails the whores (including myself) are going to be up there standing in line to give them our money.
that said smoke gets best post of the year. :)

[Tom]

Also you can't compare value of HuckWagon to Value of Cypress as Huckwagon is subsidized by all the efforts of volunteer trail builders like the NSMBA and absent land owners - while private land owners have major construction, operation and insurance overhead.

So true. Huckwagon doesn't have to pay for a crew of trail builders, nor do they have to send out the bike patrol to scrape you off the hill if you eat it.
I'll pay $32 to go ride after work once, and then decide how I feel about it.


Cypress will succeed - there are sure to be enough low skill bike whores to fill the lift.

Do you know me? :P

[Heatmizer]

Bingo! Just like skiing the mass market is the beginer/intermediate people who go for hot chocolate between runs. Us double black brown bag lunch types are not as desirable. Issue is that Cypress will have to create that low end market.


I don't agree with that. My (lack of) skills definitely fall in the beginner/intermediate level. I haven't ridden on over a year and won't be back on the bike until the last half of July.

I was hoping for a reasonably priced local mountain so I can get in as many runs as I can on fridays and most weekends, to get back in the groove (ok so there never was one) so to speak. It would be easier and safer than solo riding up whatever local mountain.

If I go every friday and once every other weekend for full days:
6 days x $40 = 240.
Yes I can offset that a bit with their discount card, but that's only 1 month, then I'll have to spend that same amount the next month if I want to keep going (and can afford it)
Luckily I already have bikes, otherwise it's almost a dis-incentive. Parents buying bikes for their kids will compare it directly to golf. "Hmm, so I gotta buy you a $3k bike, and then it'll cost $32 for 4 hours every time...."

I don't see them getting a lot of the beginner/intermediate market - for the money they're charging, in my case I rather sign up for a course with some locals and really learn something instead of just spinning my wheels. There's lots of local guides/schools, and I think less advanced riders (me) would see better return on their money going to a free mountain and paying for instruction than paying Cypress.

Maybe some of my remarks are a bit off the mark when comparing costs, but it's just my opinion.

PS - Yellowdogx, if you update your sig please remove that quote from PureCanadianHoney - makes me cringe every time :damn:

[Smoke]

hey smoke cmon man I know you are on the down low and correct in this matter ... but still calling a guy an idiot and all? That doesnt help a whole lot..IMO..

not to rumble w mr smoke as I enjoy 98% of yer postage..


Well, I could have been a lot more pc about it, but ahhh fuckit. That was wayyy more fun.

Besides, IMO he is an idiot. There is a successful model just up the highway. I see that Whistler has been consulted in this plan. Maybe they were just throwing a short circuit into the plan from the get go to protect THEIR market.

[derwood]

As an individual who has been involved in the biking aspect of 2 different Ski areas........

-Dont expect "shore trails" at CBR.BC parks standards would never allow that.....If any of you were at the BC Cup at Seymour in 98 or so,the dual slalon course had to be completley removed and rehabed after the event.If you raced the XC you will remember a 300 meter long temporary ladder bridge at the bottom of the old Ridge chair that we had to install just because of the POTENTIAL of the odd frog or salamander being run over(on and old access road at that!)

-Hemlock.....ahh Hemlock.....

A few of us that worked up there in the summer of 03 convinced the owner that there was a market for a commercial biking venture.

We were granted a budget that would allow us to run the chair,pub and first aid.

Thankfully,Cory Adsit and friends had built a DH course on site and a guy named Mike from Hope had started another trail.....

The rest was up to us,so we spent the spring trying to repair the winter's damage to the DH,quickly finish Mikes trail,rough in an easy line down the access road and rough in some better camping spots....we spent about 500 bucks of our own money for tools.

We all discussed pricing......it came down to $15 day.....that summer we at least broke even every single operating day.

Moral of the story is....CBR is fully intent on emptying your pockets.

I hope the lift is all worked out over at Hemlock.....besides WB,they will get my lift ticket money for at least doing it.....still with very limited resources.

[fr33k]

i think smoke summed up my thoughts on this bike park crap. so theres little need to add more thoughts than " to bad, so sad. NO SALE !!!!!" cant believe there pricing . I will more than gladdly pay 20-30 bucks more on gas and head to Whistler. Or maybe hemlock. By the way how is hemlock Derwood ?

[derwood]

Not sure how Hemlock is....but at least they are trying.....on a slim budget( no ski season revenue).....and I see they have put in some trails...

When we started it though,if I could go back in time.....

[fr33k]

well hemlock will get some cash from me this season. probably even Sun Peak's. Whistler for sure. Cypress................they can survive without my money ( it would seem ) Not to sure on a seasons pass this year for Whistler. Fucked up hand and a new job ( sure hope it goes thru ) might limit my summer time enjoyment

[Sharon]

Considering how Cypress screws skiers in the winter, the pricing should come as no surprise.

They don't care about the local market. Too bad.

[Del]

Smoke is officially my favorite poster of all time.
The only way im going is if i get free passes through the shop like when whistler was ramping up, but it doesnt look like that sort of stuff will be happening with the management strategy this park has.

Atleast it will take some of the yuppies off the real shore.

[yellowdogx]

I hope the lift is all worked out over at Hemlock.....besides WB,they will get my lift ticket money for at least doing it.....still with very limited resources.


See you there!

http://www.hemlockvalleyresort.com/images/clientpdfs/newest%20taril%20map%20dhill%20May%2019%2005.pdf

[Lady Gravity]

Not sure how Hemlock is....but at least they are trying.....on a slim budget( no ski season revenue).....and I see they have put in some trails...

When we started it though,if I could go back in time.....

hemlock is for sale though - saw an ad in the paper - who knows whether the new owners (if any) will be interested in keeping the bike thing going. maybe a consortium of bikers should get together and buy it :agree:

[derwood]

hemlock is for sale though - saw an ad in the paper - who knows whether the new owners (if any) will be interested in keeping the bike thing going. maybe a consortium of bikers should get together and buy it :agree:
It is going for chump change from what I hear.....

[cruzer]

i don't think they get they are in the middle of some of the best trails in the world which cost nothing to ride - if i'm spending to ride i'm heading up the sea to sky for some garbanzo action.

on such a small mountain you'll spend a lot more time in a line up just like in winter.

[Wayne P]

The funny thing about the environmental sensitivity BS in BC parks is that

CYPRESS IS A SKI HILL!!!!

Are they protecting the few remaining trees they have? The "delicate" grasslands? The ancient boulders found only on service roads?

This is even worse than MoniKKKa Craver's stand on protecting the fragile ecosystem that is a 60 year old forest. This city has its head up its ass. Good luck to you people who are staying - I'm moving. Hard to believe that Kamloops is more progressive than North Van. Sheesh!

[LeeLau]

congrats wayne on the prospective move. juniper will be fun. I know some gorgeous lesser-known stuff in sun peaks area too.

btw - Present Solutions in downtown has amazing furniture if you're into the made-in- BC stuff.

The funny thing about the environmental sensitivity BS in BC parks is that

CYPRESS IS A SKI HILL!!!!

Are they protecting the few remaining trees they have? The "delicate" grasslands? The ancient boulders found only on service roads?

This is even worse than MoniKKKa Craver's stand on protecting the fragile ecosystem that is a 60 year old forest. This city has its head up its ass. Good luck to you people who are staying - I'm moving. Hard to believe that Kamloops is more progressive than North Van. Sheesh!

[gearwh0re]

wow, looks like cypress lift access biking will be a one year thing. i cant imgaine people are going to pay that to ride there.

really silly. they really should have offered deals, 2 for 1s, etc

i hope all the people who are complaining in this thread will put their money where their mouth is and not ride there. i certainly won't

put if anyone is rich enough to try and stpid enough not to just go to whis, please let us know how it is

[the flying moose]

i remember about 6 months ago how stoked i was to hear that one of our local mountains had finally opened up to lift-accessed riding. i eagerly awaited some pics and was even more stoked to see what looks like quality building. i also eagerly awaited to see how much this would cost and today i received a slap in the face. they dont care about the riders at all. they care about the money and are trying to attract the same tourists that will ride a fully rigid down A-Line just to say they rode a famous trail. its so sad that they have such a potential goldmine in their hands but chose to throw that away. im sure glad i picked up the whister seasons pass instead of waiting for this bullshit.

[gearwh0re]

contact@cypressmountain.com

every poster hear should let them know that unless things change they won't be biking there

[NV73]

Am I missing something? This is a ski resort we're talking about here. With the amount of moaning and griping going on about Cypress, this thread is making Intrawest sound like saints.

Be happy Digger has been involved in the trail setup; slap down your paper route money at the counter, take a spin when it opens and then make up your minds and demand a refund if you don't like the product.

[switch]

I will more than gladdly pay 20-30 bucks more on gas and head to Whistler.There's a (good) point that could be looked at a different way.

You'll save $20 to $30 in fuel cost, and 2 hours of driving time by going to Cypress. For some people, that may have some value.

[Ozver]

Even if Cypress is not targeting the local bikers with this park, they will have to rely on us for the first little bit of time. No tourists will be landing in vancouver during the month of July with the express purpose of riding the Cypress Bike Park. Any tourist that is coming here to ride from somewhere else will not have planned their vacation around Cypress. Their has been no news of the Bike park in the international press. If the bike-specific tourist is coming to BC this year they are coming for the shore, and Whistler, if they can afford to travel to BC, they can probably spend that extra hour and a half up the highway to go to whistler. What i am getting at is that we as a group do have the ability to make an impact. This is probably the only opportunity we will have to make this sort of an impact, as once they have the ball rolling as a tourist attraction it will become another $20 foot bridge so to speak. If for the first week, or even the first month we as a group didn't show up WHO would. I see so many different people on these boards, and we all talk to people we ride with, whether it is a trail day, or on the lifts at whistler, biking up fromme, or one of the hundreds heading down CBC on a weekend, spread the word. Lets boycott Cypress, lets see what happens when they have no one come the first month. This is a one time opportunity for the locals to voice their opinion and show their collective strength in this issue.

By the way i still respect Digger, and wish there was a way to support him without supporting a business that has no care for us.

[Dude]

i remember about 6 months ago how stoked i was to hear that one of our local mountains had finally opened up to lift-accessed riding. i eagerly awaited some pics and was even more stoked to see what looks like quality building. i also eagerly awaited to see how much this would cost and today i received a slap in the face. they dont care about the riders at all. they care about the money and are trying to attract the same tourists that will ride a fully rigid down A-Line just to say they rode a famous trail. its so sad that they have such a potential goldmine in their hands but chose to throw that away. im sure glad i picked up the whister seasons pass instead of waiting for this bullshit.

Another post that sums up my thoughts...disappointment. I was fully committed to buying a season's pass, now I question how often I'll be up.

But, I will give it a try, and I will buy the discount card so that, if it is good, I can end work early on occasion and just head to Cypress for some lift access riding.

If it is no good, I'll just consider it a bad investment, and not drink beer that week.

[TheRob]

and not drink beer that week.You're a stronger man than I.

[Dude]

You're right...who am I kidding. I may as well just burn the $50.00 right now...

BTW...that deal for your engineering services in exchange for the Cypress BP season's pass if now off. Not pleased with your follow-up...

[Rat]

The price dosnt bother me to much if the hill has some decent trails. I rarley have the ability to get away for a full day to ride whistler, Work + Kids dosnt leave alot of time for full day getaways. If I can get 4 hours of decent park riding in a couple times a month without having to drive up to whitler for $32 bucks its value to me. Then again I have been known to hire the odd shuttle driver so I could get my vert on.

Its 10 bucks overpriced for the convience of having it in your back yard, big deal. In the end though they have to have trails to keep ya comming back.

[Luudwig]

"The BIG difference between WBP and CBP; is that Cypress doesn't have the luxury of spin off benefits and revenue that WBP does. Intrawest can afford to run the bike park at break even or a loss because they benefit in so many other areas - food, beverage, real estate, hotel rooms.

Cypress has to justify their bike park as a bike park. That is going to be tough, but ultimately doable given the strength of the local riding community."


Folks, with all due respect the above point goes to the heart of this issue.

For Whistler, the Bike Park appears to be ... how should I put it diplomatically : "An absolute Piss in the Ocean" as far as a revenue source is concerned and appears to be one hell of a "loss leader". Hell, even their ski business (mega compared to the bike park effort) is probably very marginal as a profit contributor. Whistler appears to be a real estate marketing and selling business PERIOD(i.e. the proverbial cash cow in business parlance!) The rest is just mostly window dressing (i.e. the folks have to have something to do after they buy their million plus condos:-)).

Cypress on the other hand appears to have NONE (I stress NONE) of these advantages and has to make it on every line of business (because it has no cash cow businesses to subsidize anything). So let's remember that when we do comparisons. Apples to Oranges comparisons don't cut it IMHO. (Same goes for the Huckwagon comparison).

Having said all of the above I am sure glad that Whistler Bike Park is there, that Huckwagon is there...and yes that Cypress is stepping up to the plate. I now have more choice and that's what its about for me.

[Rat]

I find it Ironic that so many riders piss money away on the latest greatest toys, Carbon Fiber Helmets, New Bikes every year and everyone bitches about having to fork over a little extra for a lift ticket. and you guys wonder why Cypress would target tourists and noobs.

[gearwh0re]

It turns me on when you get emotional about biking geawhore.

"Hi Cory,

Thanks for the email and interest in the Cypress Bike Park.

First and foremost, we will have all sorts of special deals and promotions for opening and throughout the season, including ticket and bikecard online discounts, 2 for 1 days and all sort of stuff, so stay in touch with our website for updates.

We have also read and are up to date with the forum from the start and have even posted information. We did expect this type of reaction. The issue is of capacity. We simple don't have the space to have season passholders or too many people in the park everyday. As you as well aware the demand for lift accessed riding on the North Shore is huge and with the amount of trail we will have open in the first phase of this park we are going to "sell out" too quickly

We are not having season passes for many reasons for the first phase of the Bike Park. As you know this is a late start and we
really don't know how long the season will go to. Being the first season and limited number of trails we will have open for the July 1 start, we are
also going to have capacity issues until we open further trails over the summer months, we simply can't hold a large number of passholders at the park
everyday until we open our other trails. As we move into phase 3 of the park next season we will have the capacity to offer a season pass program and also more than likely be able to forgo the time restrictions on our tickets.

If you plan to come more than once this summer please have a look at the Cypress BikeCard which offer the first time up Free and 20% off ticket rates
every time you come after that. As the website mentions, we are planning to have a BikeCard Sale for Opening. So please stay in touch with the website for updates as we move closer to July 1.

Please don't hesitate to reply with any further questions.


Best Regards,"

They responded quick, i will give them that. it says right in the email that they are worried about capacity and with the late open they arent sure how things will go. and because of those things they are charging an arm and a leg :lol:

brutal

[gearwh0re]

There's a (good) point that could be looked at a different way.

You'll save $20 to $30 in fuel cost, and 2 hours of driving time by going to Cypress. For some people, that may have some value.
it would if what you were biking closer to home was comparable. cypress has made it clear it will not be.

[theweev]

".....and we
really don't know how long the season will go to."

let's see. Whistler has closed in late October for the last 2 years and if the "market research" was done or if they even asked the riding community, I would suggest that most would agree that the season would run till the first 2 weeks of October. We alll live in Van and all know that the riding is ussually fine till Halloween. Then then rains come and we all sit around aimlessly waiting for the snow.

[patrolskid]

GW , i read that letter a couple of times over . . . .







and i'm beginning to think that smoke guy isn't so crazy after all . . . . .







worrying about too many customers when you haven't even opened yet ?





that is the first business i've ever seen that is trying to discourage customers . . . .





get as many butts in the seats as you can , create some buzz , get the word out .





took the saying " build it , and they will come " and put a new twist on it .




mountain bikers don't want to plunk down cash every time they go for a ride . there are too many variables , ( friends , weather , transport to the hill , etc ) , to make it easy NOT to go up there , so if you add the every time cash outlay , you won't see the traffic you might .
also , mountain bikers are loyal . they like to feel they are a part of something , especially something new . a seasons' pass would establish that ' local ' following that helps to " sustain " ( did i just use that word ? ) a business .



all the best to them in this venture . . . . let us know how it goes

[gram]

Weev you may sit aimlessly in the winter but remember some ride year round and love to get out in the snow/mud/rain on their bikes....xmas day rides??? remember??

[Uncle Duke]

I think the time limit thing is the worst of it...there will be people trying to crunch as many runs in and not wanting to take food breaks etc..

drop the price by even 6 bucks..make it $32 for the day though not for 4 hrs..just like its been said nobody actually does 8 hrs of shredding, but I like to know the option is there..chances are I will do 4 hrs of shredding + 1 hr of lunch + 2 hrs of apres celebration * read guzzling roadpops in the lounge*...folowed by mad posting on the NSMB web site of the glory of chasing all my homeboys down diggers greatest public access creation.. I smell money honey..

[Sharon]

worrying about too many customers when you haven't even opened yet ?

that is the first business i've ever seen that is trying to discourage customers . . . .


They are being consistent with their winter operations.

It costs $42.00 for a full day pass, $36.00 if you come after 4:00 for night skiing.

I can only ski there - on tele skis - for about 2 hours before getting bored.

Why they don't offer cheaper rates during the day to get people up there filling up the slopes and increase the buzz is beyond me.

Sovereign, in Utah, offers a cost per run option!

You buy a card and everytime you take the lift it deducts $X.00. Pay as you go! What a concept!

[gearwh0re]

$29 for a full day would be high but passable. if they are worried about too many riders have a limit.

[Nelson]

Sovereign, in Utah, offers a cost per run option!

You buy a card and everytime you take the lift it deducts $X.00. Pay as you go! What a concept!

That's actually pretty awesome, though I suppose the better you get the more it ends up costing.....

[yellowdogx]

$29 for a full day would be high but passable. if they are worried about too many riders have a limit.

I agree. But it has to be a FULL DAY no 4 hour bullshit!

[gearwh0re]

For Whistler, the Bike Park appears to be ... how should I put it diplomatically : "An absolute Piss in the Ocean" as far as a revenue source is concerned and appears to be one hell of a "loss leader". Hell, even their ski business (mega compared to the bike park effort) is probably very marginal as a profit contributor. Whistler appears to be a real estate marketing and selling business PERIOD(i.e. the proverbial cash cow in business parlance!) The rest is just mostly window dressing (i.e. the folks have to have something to do after they buy their million plus condos:-)).

if you were joking that would be really funny, but it sounds like you are serious.

my word, if lift accessed riding at whistler is a loss leader, i would love to run a business of loss leaders!!!!!!!!!!!!

half hour line ups with guys and gals paying 40 bucks a pop a loss leader. :lol:

any side business is icing on the cake, but believe you me, the bike park is making loads of cash on its own.

[Bryce]

Hehehe you suckers live on the wrong side of B.C. Im ripping up 3700" big feet of vertical at Kicking Horse tomorow for FIVE BUCKS!!! Thats right bitches, assuming I do 5 runs (and I'll have to GIVER to do that) I'll be paying $1 per run, or 0.027027 CENTS per foot of vertical. 27 trails to ride, and Mount Seven is only a few minutes away!

have ya SEEN kicking horse trails? Or did ya hear how "ripping" it is on Pinkbike?

[Luudwig]

"my word, if lift accessed riding at whistler is a loss leader, i would love to run a business of loss leaders!!!!!!!!!!!!"


Ok prove me wrong.
Provide me with audited segmented income statements (with all in expenses) for that line of business.
Anyway I don't wanna debate this too much more. My point was that a comparison between Whistler and Cypress is just plain stupid IMHO.

[*Pepe*]

Ok prove me wrong. Provide me with audited segmented income statements (with all in expenses) for that line of business.

do you know what you're talking about? you may want to re-read that textbook.

[Luudwig]

do you know what you're talking about? you may want to re-read that textbook.


I think you know what I am getting at. Anyway enlighten me and save me the lecture.

[*Pepe*]

yeah, i do know what you are talking about. i guess your last post (and this thread) was so full of conviction that i thought i'd point it out. no need for a lecture...

[dirty deeds]

This horse is well and truly whipped

[*Pepe*]

Cypress will succeed - there are sure to be enough low skill bike whores to fill the lift. Question remains whether this will decrease these riders from the local trails or invitably increase their numbers as the bike park draws more people into the sport.

Finally, the voice of reason. You don't belong here, obviously.