New ramp on upper corkscrew

[heckler]

The 3 foot wide ramp that just replaced the 8 inch wide plank is great (if you like riding down sidewalks). It's the 3rd roll down from the entrance off the road.

However, when you pulled the 10" spikes out of the log that were meant to hold the plank in for eternity, you also shifted the log a couple inches, and it now has a gap that water will pour down and wash out underneath the log.

That plank has been there for the last 5 years (although has fallen out a couple times because of the puny-a$$ nails used in the past). I thought I was fixing it permanently 3 weeks ago when I put in the 10" spikes.

Please get out there and fill in the gap with gold so it doesn't wash out and create more problems.

Thanks.

PS. I hope the spikes were a bitch to get out.

[Zedbra]

What a crafty way to whine.

Kudos to the trail builders.

[derwood]

Im with Heckler....if it aint broke,please dont fix it!

[synchro]

k, here's a sticky situation. work was done to supposedly help the trail but has in turn upset a few riders. imo any trail work done on exisitng trails by the non-original builders should consider two factors:

1. the original intent of the trail

2. the current use of the trail

as trails erode they become more technically challenging and also more fun in the eyes of some riders. repairing this erosion will often ellicit howls of protest from a certain segment of the riding population because their favorite section has been made easier. unfortunately as the level of traffic (and erosion) on the trails increase the trails are going to change. and not always in the way that you may think is the best.

when doing trail maintenance, it can be very difficult to create a balance between the above two circumstances. if you really think about the term maintenance, it means repairing things to their original state. while this is not always possible, we would like to adhere to this idea as much as possible.

if you're going to make something more difficult, you should place it off the original line or at the very least provide and easier line around the more difficult section.

i personally do not agree with making things easier than they were originally designed, but unfortunately it is sometimes necessary due to the way the trail has worn. like derwood said, if it ain't broke then don't fix it. if the 8" wide ramp had become worn to the point of not being able to be repaired then it should have been replaced with something equally as challenging.

while trail work is always appreciated, it should be carried out in a manner that is durable, safe, fun and when possible consistent with the original design of the trail.

[heckler]

Let me clarify.

The 8" wide plank that's been there for the last 5 years I've been riding corkscrew had fallen out a few weeks ago, and was laying by the side of the trail.

I spent an evening putting it back in it's original place, and made damn sure that it wasn't going to fall out again for a long time. It was held in with 5" rusty nails. I used some serious 10" spikes, and cut the rotted end off the plank, and also rested it on top of the log so riders weight would actually push the ramp into the log, rather than try to pull it out.

Then, last night, I find that someone has torn out the plank, and replaced it with a wide ramp.

[heckler]

Stupid computer...

as I was saying....

In replacing the ramp, the log that's in the ground has now been moved a little, and I'll bet the water is going to run between it and the ground, eroding a big gap. Time will tell.

Whining?

It was broke, and I fixed it. Then two weeks later, someone broke it. :(

[heckler]

while trail work is always appreciated, it should be carried out in a manner that is durable, safe, fun and when possible consistent with the original design of the trail.


That is my point exactly.

Whining done. I'll move on now.

[Silk]

k, here's a sticky situation. work was done to supposedly help the trail but has in turn upset a few riders. imo any trail work done on exisitng trails by the non-original builders should consider two factors:

1. the original intent of the trail

2. the current use of the trail

as trails erode they become more technically challenging and also more fun in the eyes of some riders. repairing this erosion will often ellicit howls of protest from a certain segment of the riding population because their favorite section has been made easier. unfortunately as the level of traffic (and erosion) on the trails increase the trails are going to change. and not always in the way that you may think is the best.

when doing trail maintenance, it can be very difficult to create a balance between the above two circumstances. if you really think about the term maintenance, it means repairing things to their original state. while this is not always possible, we would like to adhere to this idea as much as possible.

if you're going to make something more difficult, you should place it off the original line or at the very least provide and easier line around the more difficult section.

i personally do not agree with making things easier than they were originally designed, but unfortunately it is sometimes necessary due to the way the trail has worn. like derwood said, if it ain't broke then don't fix it. if the 8" wide ramp had become worn to the point of not being able to be repaired then it should have been replaced with something equally as challenging.

while trail work is always appreciated, it should be carried out in a manner that is durable, safe, fun and when possible consistent with the original design of the trail.


I might add it is also in the persons best interest to find out who the builder of that trail is, contact them and do a walk through and ask the builder what he would like done.

This way everyone is happy and for the few riders who are not well you can just tell them your only doing what you were told to :)

[switch]

I might add it is also in the persons best interest to find out who the builder of that trail is, contact them and do a walk through and ask the builder what he would like done.

This way everyone is happy and for the few riders who are not well you can just tell them your only doing what you were told to :)For Corkscrew, there is no builder of the trail.

Sven, the work you suggested will get done; just requires some daylight.

That top part of Corkscrew needs some loving, and it will get it. It's the only feeder trail for a lot of lower trails and sees a lot of traffic. There's no ride around for that plank; in fact, there's only a much more difficult line.

That plank was sketchy to ride for a lot of people. Of about 100 riders going by that place, about 20% don't use the plank - they launch over it. Of the other 80%, maybe 1/3 ride it, while the rest walk it. So the launchers can keep launching, and the skinny riders can keep flowing, while the walkers can now ride keep riding. Only people "adversely" affected are the small minority of riders who liked riding a plank at that section.

Funny thing, most people riding by commented on how they disliked the plank because it was sketchy. Sketchy because it's a plank, or sketchy because it moves around.

[bunny]

i don't know what plank you are all on about... but i'm pretty sure EVERY plank on corkscrew has a ride around (or at least a ride right beside). it's fun to mess people up that are following me. :P

but really i think it's great that people are bickering about who does what work. it would be nice if everyone knew what the other builders were doing.. but i see this as a WAY smaller problem than those people that just whine that nothing is being done. :)

so thanks to all of you.

[AnTi-TrAiL_nAzI]

lower corkscrew kicked my ass :(

[Lady Gravity]

i don't know what plank you are all on about... but i'm pretty sure EVERY plank on corkscrew has a ride around (or at least a ride right beside). it's fun to mess people up that are following me. :P

you still ride?

[derwood]

i don't know what plank you are all on about... but i'm pretty sure EVERY plank on corkscrew has a ride around

Is there another Corkscrew I dont know about?

[switch]

i don't know what plank you are all on about... but i'm pretty sure EVERY plank on corkscrew has a ride around (or at least a ride right beside). it's fun to mess people up that are following me. :PThe plank, at the top of the trail, right after the two small rock bluff rolls. The plank, that you wouldn't ride, but instead would roll the 2-3 foot drop.

They should put you in a freeride video. No one can roll the stuff you do. :thepimp:

[Mr Ripper]

The plank, at the top of the trail, right after the two small rock bluff rolls. The plank, that you wouldn't ride, but instead would roll the 2-3 foot drop.

They should put you in a freeride video. No one can roll the stuff you do. :thepimp:


That plank gave me a concussion early this year.

[Uncle Duke]

guns dont shoot people, people shoot people.

[Mr Ripper]

guns dont shoot people, people shoot people.

too much speed in the pouring rain, i blame it on the roots, yes the roots. :agree:

[Uncle Duke]

speed+pouring rain+roots ...can= :hurt:


personally I dont even need those ingredients...lack of attention was all I needed...(that and endoking blibber blabbering at me about the superiority of hayes brakes vs shimano.)

[switch]

That plank gave me a concussion early this year.Even the 1 foot planks at the end of Corkscrew are sketchy. If they weren't there, it would be safer.

[heckler]

That plank gave me a concussion early this year.


And broke my best friends wrist, but I still loved riding it.

Oh well, I guess I'll have to learn to launch past the bridge!

[Mr Ripper]

And broke my best friends wrist, but I still loved riding it.

Oh well, I guess I'll have to learn to launch past the bridge!

or the crazy skinny line next to it :idea:

[switch]

or the crazy skinny line next to it :idea:I watched about 40 riders go by, and only two tried the line. One was on a big bike, and had just a bit of problems. The other was some 12 year old on a hardtail, and he blew down that thing faster than most riders do the trail. It will be amazing to see what the kids of today will be doing on their bikes when they hit 20.

[Bryce]

i have a hard time with the corners on the skinny line, I don't think I can make it around without hopping the back wheel over (something I suck at). I'll bet I can RULE the 3 foot wide ramp though

[Rat]

Im think im shooting about 3 for 50 on the skinny line.

[LeeLau]

Im 31 for 38 cartwheeling off the skinny line

[dirttorpedo]

That plank was a real challenge. I think I cleaned it once. My biggest beef with it was that you couldn't see the line until you were right on top of it. I'm mixed in my feelings now that its removed. I like the idea that there is an easy bail there, but I'm disappointed such a challenging stunt is removed.

[yellowdogx]

That plank was a real challenge. I think I cleaned it once. My biggest beef with it was that you couldn't see the line until you were right on top of it. I'm mixed in my feelings now that its removed. I like the idea that there is an easy bail there, but I'm disappointed such a challenging stunt is removed.


Just drop it.......I used roll it now I try and drop it with the new wide ladder

[mrraulduke]

a 3' wide ramp there is overkill....the origional ramp was fine where it was and just needed to be hammered in. it is the shore, which had alway been technical and hard, and that's it's beauty. I'm not saying let's keep the shore at an elite riding level, but that plank was harly an elite stunt. as for "dumbing" down the shore, which is always a discussion after a trail day, i'm fine with it when it has to do with fixing an eroded out section, or bridging over a swampy mess. but when replacing a rotted out stunt, let's build it the same as the origional, not easier.

[EndoKing]

The current ramp sux. It's way too wide & eliminates any challenge that little section ever had. You can still just drop it though, which I prefer anyway.

[Sunday Rider]

You can now write your suggestions and complaints on the new suggestion box they are erecting at the top of corkscrew.

[KING-OF E-VILLE]

as for "dumbing" down the shore, which is always a discussion after a trail day, i'm fine with it when it has to do with fixing an eroded out section, or bridging over a swampy mess. but when replacing a rotted out stunt, let's build it the same as the origional, not easier.

I agree completely. It seems like every year the existing old school trails get a bit easier. Pretty soon they will all be sidewalks. and the new lines guys are cutting are all about speed and air time. so where are us old school tech singletrack guys supposed to go next.

As for that little skinny ramp. I loved it, I knew the line perfect and hit it every time (theres a few skinny planks on Corkscrew that should stay.

I am a trail builder, and its tough to fixa trail from a trail builders point of veiw. when you're walking it, it looks tough and rough and you have a natural tendance to make everything look smooth. I'm trying to let big bad rocks lie. cause thats what makes the shore fun. If it all looked like A-line, I would find a new sport. You know what rocks, Ladies and Lowr Ladies and expresso. those trails have that old-school un groomed look that makes them exciting, you never know if the line your on is gonna dump you right into a babyhead, and it keeps you on your toes.

To all the builders out there, lets fix the drainage issues, build bridges where required, but keep the singletrack Gnarly (Seventh is too smooth now, its now an intermediate ride IMO) no offence PM and Redneck, your work is awsome.

[heckler]

To all the builders out there, lets fix the drainage issues, build bridges where required, but keep the singletrack Gnarly (Seventh is too smooth now, its now an intermediate ride IMO) no offence PM and Redneck, your work is awsome.

Amen, brotha! But how do you do armouring of a trail AND keep it knarly? That's the question of the day.

Maybe we need to rock in the trail smooth with lego rocks, and then pile loose babyheads and sticks on top of the smoothness.

[KING-OF E-VILLE]

I don't have the answers man, Just the complaint.

I'm dealing with this demon on my little section of trail.
The more I rock in the eroded sections, the more new problems show up. In one year, sections that looked like they did not need work have been cut into the forest floor by about a foot. the only thing I can see would be to put in huge friken rocks (which I can't find any of in the proximity of my trail), and let them lay as they may. I mean, to lego them in within some reason, but not so fetishistic as to make it look like a roadway. then throw the Gold over the top, and let it age.

the other comment I have is about trail width. our tires are 3"wide, most reasonably ridable skinnies are about 12"-14" wide, So why do guys rock in 3 foot wide sections of trail. I'm trying to narrow down the trail I'm working on, I keep moving the edges in a bit each time I work a section. its called Singletrack, so it should be thin IMO. I'm planting ferns and small trees close to the trails edge to help reduce the width (soft-methode) so riders are more apt to stay in the center of the line.

I can't believe the size (width) of that rocked in new section on CBC. the workmanship is beautiful, and should last for ever, but the same amount of Rock and effort could have been made the section twice as long if Half as wide.

[heckler]

Yeah, the big berm you mean? It took 4 or 5 weekend mini trail days for Jeremy to get that massive project done, with 5-10 volunteers each day, but I sure love riding it! It's my fave section of CBC, mostly because I put some sweat into it. That got me and my wife hooked on building too, so all is good.

[heckler]

But, yeah, I always try to narrow down the trails with logs and sticks when I see new lines happening.

[bunny]

You can now write your suggestions and complaints on the new suggestion box they are erecting at the top of corkscrew.


:lol: that's a good one

[Sunday Rider]

They are building something up there....maybe a map?

[biking_cam]

ya i saw it and thought wtf???

[Sharon]

A new sign board has been built on the top of corkscrew for a map of seymour and a closed notice board.

New maps will soon be posted at Old Buck and P1 ( CBC Parking lot)