Burke thread

[Trail Rider 1.0]

Aright, theres like 4 Burke threads going on so i thought i would make a new one where all Burke/flywheel issues could be talked about.

I scanned my topo map of Burke and drew a couple things on it that might be of help. Someone had mentioned that we should GPS map flywheel and then compare it to a city map regarding devellopment on burke. the black line i made is a VERY rough outline of flywheel, so if someone knows how to get ahold of a map showing the planned devellopment, we could compare the two.

Second, the red circle is where triple crown crosses the powerline. If a n access trail were to be built from the road to lower red R, it would be very steep, and/or require alot of switchbacks. still do-able, just a bit more difficult:(

heres the map:
Burke map (http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=66190)

[ATN]

Alright... all we need now is the other 4 threads closed! Good work Paul!

BTW, check ur pm's

[LostBoyScout]

Those are very handy! Good work!

Now there are 5 Burke threads :P But I agree with combining them here. I've had a hard time remember which thread was what conversation etc :D

As for the connector - I think the best thing to do would start the connector above the powerlines a bit on the access road, so it could cut across the hill. You're gonna have to go up either way, might as well be on the road instead of the trail :) I do think a connector is a great idea.

[Trail Rider 1.0]

Does any know where you can get that bright colored tape we could use to mark a path before we start clearing? I might go up there one day and explore through the forest to try and find a good route.

Another thing, I'm gonna do some searching on the net for how close to flywheel devellopment will be, but I wonder if anyone thinks it would be easily obtainable info from Coq. city hall. i was talking to The ATN Machine and he said they have to give us the information if we ask, but they could take as long as they want to give it to us:rolleyes:

[ATN]

Originally posted by Trail Rider 1.0
Does any know where you can get that bright colored tape we could use to mark a path before we start clearing? I might go up there one day and explore through the forest to try and find a good route.

Another thing, I'm gonna do some searching on the net for how close to flywheel devellopment will be, but I wonder if anyone thinks it would be easily obtainable info from Coq. city hall. i was talking to The ATN Machine and he said they have to give us the information if we ask, but they could take as long as they want to give it to us:rolleyes:

they can also charge whatever they want. however, they usually post it in newpapers before they build.

[LostBoyScout]

It's certainly worth asking. It's in the best interest of the park land, after all!

I too think I may go up and check things out. I was considering checking parallel to Upper Galloway to allow the trail to heal a bit by lessening the usage? Who knows.

[ATN]

Originally posted by LostBoyScout
I too think I may go up and check things out. .

Saturday?

Doesn't matter if the mule comes.

[LostBoyScout]

Probably Sunday for me. If ya wanna go up Sunday we can figure somethin out :)

[Trail Rider 1.0]

SCORE!

look what I found:D http://lwbc.bc.ca/applying_for_land/images/OCP_map.pdf

It's kinda hard to read, but i suggest you look at it and see what you can figure out. I've figured out where flywheel is, but i'm slightly color blind, so i can't figure out exactly what all the colors mean. if someone could help me, that'd be great:)

another thing I found is that the company that developped westwood plateau was "very interested" in acquiring the land that was for sale. could we be looking at million dollar homes in the area?

[Trail Rider 1.0]

a head start on the map:

you can make the map read-able by finding the button that says "rotate view clockwise"

if you can see where it says "Harper Rd.", you should be able to find the sharp corner where flywheel starts.
I believe flywheel then comes out on victoria in "Freemont Park"

[ATN]

:google: = :thepimp:

[ATN]

Originally posted by LostBoyScout
Probably Sunday for me. If ya wanna go up Sunday we can figure somethin out :)

Come to think, Sunday is better for me too.

[ATN]

For the map, it looks like they are going to develop right next to Fremont Park. Obviously, any veering to the west will be paved.

The red squares are probably areas to be developed later. if they are, we are totally screwed.

[LostBoyScout]

Hmm, yeah, looks like pretty much Flywheel in its entirety fall into the 'Optional Land Offerings'.... that sucks. I don't know if Upper Galloway is in or to the left of section 09? Hopefully to the left, so it will be protected.

Man you guys are finding some good stuff :)

ATN - and according to mybc.com, Sunday should have the best weather!! :thepimp: What time is good? I'm thinking morning but not too early, like 10:00

[Trail Rider 1.0]

I'd say upper galo is in section 09, but only the very bottom of the trail. You see "East smiling creek"? I think that's what you cross when you go from upper galo to flywheel.

This is my idea for the whole situation. If a little bit of upper galo is torn down, not a biggie, it can easily be re-routed to the east, into parkland. as for flywheel, i think some "surveying" of our own needs to be done towards the east. it might not be as steep as flywheel, but a trail MIGHT be do-able through that area withh all the creeks. If the area is a complete bog, we can make "a walk in the clouds pt.2":lol:

[ATN]

Originally posted by Trail Rider 1.0
I'd say upper galo is in section 09, but only the very bottom of the trail. You see "East smiling creek"? I think that's what you cross when you go from upper galo to flywheel.

This is my idea for the whole situation. If a little bit of upper galo is torn down, not a biggie, it can easily be re-routed to the east, into parkland. as for flywheel, i think some "surveying" of our own needs to be done towards the east. it might not be as steep as flywheel, but a trail MIGHT be do-able through that area withh all the creeks. If the area is a complete bog, we can make "a walk in the clouds pt.2":lol:

The lower part is one that could do with some rerouting anyway.... we could try and get a new line/route running through the lower part but to the east... kinda like the abyss.

[ATN]

Originally posted by LostBoyScout
ATN - and according to mybc.com, Sunday should have the best weather!! :thepimp: What time is good? I'm thinking morning but not too early, like 10:00

10 sounds good. I will be there fo sho, hopefully paul can be there. can you paul?

I was thinking a TC ride stopping to survey/clip out the new access under the powerlines.

[Trail Rider 1.0]

I say after the 175 foot log ride, it could vear off east, and maybe upper galo could just continue all the way to victoria out of reach of the devellopment... i think we may have a start to something here.

edit: about sunday, I'm not at home right now, but i think i may have a family dinner sunday, so i'd probably be leaving around 2-3. i'll pm you in a bit when i'm home and know whats happening.

[ATN]

hey, find area 16 on the map, and look to the bottom right of it. or down on the left half of it... no development....

we could build through there perhaps

[Trail Rider 1.0]

ahhh, the map is confusing me:( i thought that area were all those creeks are was the color of "environnementally sensitive" which i assumed meant it couldn't be developed. but then i see those are red boxes... but how could you build anything with all those creeks? i'm confused, can someone un-confuse me:(

[ATN]

my map is grainy and I can barely read the text. maybe it's cuz i printed it out.

[ATN]

The creeks do seem to be in an environmentally senstive area. if we stay by them we should be fine. There are a couple of creeks farther east then flywheel that would be suitable.

One thign is: creeks are lowlands, so we need to take care to keep the trail dry.

[KamaKazi]

Originally posted by Trail Rider 1.0
Does any know where you can get that bright colored tape we could use to mark a path before we start clearing? I might go up there one day and explore through the forest to try and find a good route.

Another thing, I'm gonna do some searching on the net for how close to flywheel devellopment will be, but I wonder if anyone thinks it would be easily obtainable info from Coq. city hall. i was talking to The ATN Machine and he said they have to give us the information if we ask, but they could take as long as they want to give it to us:rolleyes: you can get caution/surveyors tape at KMS TOOLS in coquitlam. the store is right across the street from the new ikea.

[KamaKazi]

if we want to make a fun trail. there is one thrail that i almost forgot about. and it CAN NOT be touched by the city for developing. have any of you heard of the trail named MUD MONSTER or LOWER FALLS. it is the trail that comes off of the PoCo trail, runs past the great wall of Coquitlam)and up to the falls. it runs along the bank of the coquitlam river and because of that it can't be used for development. we could/should do some work on that trail. it would also be an easy trail to elevate

[billop]

Originally posted by Trail Rider 1.0
I say after the 175 foot log ride, it could vear off east, and maybe upper galo could just continue all the way to victoria out of reach of the devellopment... i think we may have a start to something here.

edit: about sunday, I'm not at home right now, but i think i may have a family dinner sunday, so i'd probably be leaving around 2-3. i'll pm you in a bit when i'm home and know whats happening.

Good idea on the whole Galloway thing. We could use the nectar connecter to bring up all the supplies and reroute the trail more to the east. Should be fun.:thepimp:

[LostBoyScout]

Originally posted by KamaKazi
if we want to make a fun trail. there is one thrail that i almost forgot about. and it CAN NOT be touched by the city for developing. have any of you heard of the trail named MUD MONSTER or LOWER FALLS. it is the trail that comes off of the PoCo trail, runs past the great wall of Coquitlam)and up to the falls. it runs along the bank of the coquitlam river and because of that it can't be used for development. we could/should do some work on that trail. it would also be an easy trail to elevate

It's exceptionally boring and permanently muddy is my take on that trail. The Coq River connector is really quite fun but i hate the fact you have to ride out on that crap. I don't know if the mud can even be fixed short of paving the thing. And while there are opportunities to build on it, there's so many non-enthusiast users of the trail, I wouldn't think any built stuff would last 2 weeks.

That's my opinions on it, sorry :S

[Trail Rider 1.0]

yeah, the connector is a cool trail, but i think we're talking here more of an alternative to flywheel and as a last trail for the TC run.

[ATN]

For now, Flywheel should be OK until after the upflat-down-flat-down skinny thing. After that, there has been surverying done for a new school. That area needs to be rerouted.

As for lower down.... I believe we should either wait for the surveyors to come any give us hints that part is about to be paved over.... or just continue our first reroute down.

If we want later, we can hook the reroute up to galloway, or even the TC replacement john (vps sucka) is working on.

[LostBoyScout]

Word to that. So 10:00 at the gate Sunday? I'll be there!

Shooting Flywheel over onto Galloway could work well! Is there any built stuff on Galloway that could be taken over to Flywheel (or elsewhere) if it seems it's not going to be able to be reopened? Maybe we'll check out building that proposed connector to lower Red, and I'll bring some tools to do any repairs. I'll bring my saw, a hammer and some nails. That should get use started at least!

[ATN]

So we will ride the whole triple crown run? stopping at the top of lower red and riding flywheel looking for oppertunities?

I'm there.... not sure who else is though.

[LostBoyScout]

Sure, works for me! That or ride up till just past the powerlines and look for a good spot to start the trail, but I imagine finding the road between the Red's will be damn near impossible :D

If anyone else wants to come but not go that far up, we don't have to go all the way up..

[Trail Rider 1.0]

it should be no problem finding the existing road, as long as you're under the powerlines, the road can't be far away

[LostBoyScout]

LOL good point. I forgot aboot that. :o

So we'll only go up if ppl want to.

[Trail Rider 1.0]

so as not to turn this into a chat room, i sent you a pm LostBoyScout:)

[ATN]

I jsut got back from galloway and flywheel. galloway is ok, but there's a helluva lot of water of flywheel. I endoed into a puddle :rolleyes:

[sdubfid]

on my way up harper there was a coquitlam city truck parked on the hairpin, i suspect they were looking at the bridges etc.
i rode up to the powerlines by lower red r on the dirtbike, and followed the trail beneath them. it was good for the firstbit but then it just stopped. and i turned around to go back up and i got stuck so it took me about 30mins to get up a puny little hill.

[Pioter]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
I jsut got back from galloway and flywheel. galloway is ok, but there's a helluva lot of water of flywheel. I endoed into a puddle :rolleyes:
Yea, flywheel is all puddles of mud and there's no point of draining if its going to be torn down.

I'm up for sunday:). Are we going to use the mule, hack away to the access road mabye:???:. Are we going to have to walk up to TC or can someone give us a ride in the mule?

[LostBoyScout]

No Mule this weekend unfortunately. Kinda gotta get a key first, or well we can look at making a path while we're at the gate in the morning too, maybe bring it the next time :)

Sure would be nice for doing work up on wellgood or something WAY up there!!! :)

[billop]

I'll have you remember that making a path around was one of my ideas in the first place. Of course you guys misunderstood and thot I meant tear the gate down.:mad: :thepimp:

[LostBoyScout]

Sure sure.... :rolleyes:


Hhaha jk.. calm down man, I believe you!! ;) :P

[sdubfid]

the path around the gate is about 50 inches wide if i can remember, you guys could probly go around the narrower trees

[ATN]

Originally posted by Szymon
I'll have you remember that making a path around was one of my ideas in the first place. Of course you guys misunderstood and thot I meant tear the gate down.:mad: :thepimp:

It was kinda hard to understand your post about the torque and shit, cuz it was 4 mis matched sentences, and you don't need torque to cut cown a tree to make a path.

[Pioter]

Of course you dont need torque to cut down a tree, but he said to pull a big rock out of the ground and that does require torque.

[ATN]

Moving rocks in plain view will make it very obvious.

[billop]

Thats why we make a secret path man.:high: :thepimp:

[billop]

Hey that gets me thinking, maybe there is a secret path already?:thepimp:

[LostBoyScout]

There's a path for ATV's but it goes over the rocks right before that covered map thing. We just need to reroute it so it comes out behind the map somewhere.

But for the lower trails it's not much help anyway.. doesn't get past the trailhead :) I went up for a little bit today, did a bunch of little stuff on Upper Galloway and a little on lower Red. I enjoy upper gallo.

The new drop (well two i guess) need more rugs, and the second one was plunked right in the middle of the trail with no path around which was kinda silly. That can be fixed though :)

And for tomorrow:

9:00 am at the gate by the gun club - Sunday Feb 2

I really hope that it won't matter but just in case I am not there by 9:15 or so, if you guys have some work you want to do on Upper Galloway, start without me and I'll meet you on galloway. I only say this because I've already commited to plans tonight that involve me getting home mega late - the alarm clock should work, but who knows :P

See you guys tomorrow mornin

[Pioter]

:cry::cry::cry: I wont be goin, my rear brake isn't working, whenever i use it it makes a clicking and a skreeching noise that viabrates my entire bike. Gotta check out what it is :cry::cry::cry:

[ATN]

Me, LostBoyScout and Trail Rider 1.0 went up today.

Upper Red R was in good condition, a bit of surface mud, but no puddles.

Then we checked about that access trail. It is very steep and overgrown.... it does not look possible.

Lower Red R - we took the new abyss line and it is awesome. Major props to all the builders. Good condition.

Galloway - Not as wet as friday, but bad in places. We did some work on the downramp from the 175... and LostBoyScout did some work yesterday.

Flywheel - Flywheel is full of running water, puddles and mud.

[LostBoyScout]

Yeah twas a fun ride. Abyss is freakin awesome, I love it. Wish I could ride more of it :D

Barely made it home i was so hungry, then ate 3 sandwichs, 2 bananas and other assort fruit :eek:

[ATN]

Originally posted by LostBoyScout
Yeah twas a fun ride. Abyss is freakin awesome, I love it. Wish I could ride more of it :D

Barely made it home i was so hungry, then ate 3 sandwichs, 2 bananas and other assort fruit :eek:

The uphill was quite quick today. I guess that's because we didn't try to ride anything but the flat stuff after the 2nd gate. Usually I hop on and off the bike.

[LostBoyScout]

Yeah I found that too.. I usually try to ride a bunch of it too, maybe it's better not to - last time i went up was with a few XC riders and they rode the entire thing :eek: And well same here but made a bunch o stops.. that was on my Chameleon though, climbs much nicer

[billop]

Hmm. I'd like to see this Abyss(no pun intended). Maybe next we can check it out, I might even have my disk BRAKE by then.:thepimp:

[burke_rider]

new trail on burke
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=67071
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=67070
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=67069
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=67068
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=67068
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=67063
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=67062
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=67061
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=67060
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=67059

[LostBoyScout]

Definitely low down on the mountain!

I don't think the nature folk are gonna like all the unnatural wood and nailing into trees and stuff though! I don't care personally... but with all that great cedar around, I'm not sure why you guys didn't use that for the rungs? Gives a natural look :thepimp:

Looks like fun though!

[Brad Dawg]

some dangerous stuff, thats what makes the city tear stuff down. I needs to be built heavy duty.

[Millstone]

When I saw that on pinkbike the first thing I thought was that will be gone in 2 days or less.

[ATN]

I'm loving the "ladder" sign.

[davet]

It's too bad some of those fallen logs couldn't have been used for log rides instead of building an ugly trail of ladders up and over everything. I don't think it will last long. It's too bad the builders couldn't put that time and skill into maintaining and repairing the existing trails.

[ScottO]

some parts of that look pretty skechy

[LostBoyScout]

I took a bunch of pics of Abyss, Lower Red, and some of Upper Galloway today on my ride. Man what a beauty day, there was almost NO mud!!!

http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=list&keyselect=1&keyword=jason+fuller

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

Everything on the abyss is made of deadfall cedar or cedar extracted from wood. You run into problems with live trees when you scar them and leave them bleeding. A few nails here or there are not going to kill the tree. I have come across many trees with old nails in them and I have yet to see one fall. In regards to the dangerfactor it is inevitable that the province (not the city) will eventually show their concern. With proper advocation and organization we will gather as a group and tackle that problem when the time comes. Right now Burke is a very multi-usage destination that is enjoyed because it not over policed. The only stunts on the abyss that may be seem excessive are the two stumps. Not every rider will contemplate those stunts. personally I feel the building is top quality and that I would rather be scared of the difficulty and not the building of the stunt. Lets stay together as a group of users that enjoy the mountain. Every effort will made to make the trail accessible to all skill levels.

[LostBoyScout]

The cedar work is really awesome. I am a huge fan of using strictly natural wood for any trail and you guys were able to make them as smooth as ramps of 2x4s without the ugliness :)

Also what I love about Abyss is the fact I can ride more stunts than not, while keeping me pushing myself. Unlike some trails, where I find myself walking around every stunt! Again, great work Phantoms and others who built Abyss.

[hiphophero]

i road that trail a week or so ago. Might i pust this comment in. Nice work but also very dangorus work. Building a trail like that off sutch a popular tail is not a good idea. Abyss is going to put biking on burke in jepordy. Also on a side note im guessing no ones hit the big drop cause they will severaly over shoot it. and maby some tranys here and there could work i no its not done but yeah

[ATN]

Originally posted by hiphophero
i road that trail a week or so ago. Might i pust this comment in. Nice work but also very dangorus work. Building a trail like that off sutch a popular tail is not a good idea. Abyss is going to put biking on burke in jepordy. Also on a side note im guessing no ones hit the big drop cause they will severaly over shoot it. and maby some tranys here and there could work i no its not done but yeah

IMO, the stunts on abyss are all bypassable (stay on ryan's) and built well. The most dangerous stunt is one that looks innocent, but poor building fucks you up as you hit it. The abyss stunts are all extremely well built, so we won't have to worry about that.

[hiphophero]

what i was trying to say is, that the building of trails sutch as the abyss off a very well used trail is not the smartest move for the whole burke mtn scence. How i see it if u want to make a trail like the abyss why not make it some where hidden or a new completle line.

[ATN]

Originally posted by hiphophero
what i was trying to say is, that the building of trails sutch as the abyss off a very well used trail is not the smartest move for the whole burke mtn scence. How i see it if u want to make a trail like the abyss why not make it some where hidden or a new completle line.

I'm sure burke phantoms has reasons.

[billop]

I'm not going to judge the trail until I ride it myself but if ATN sais it's good then it's probably good.(he's pretty picky) As for the location. I have no problem with it. It can easily be avoided and would first timers go all the way up to Red R/Ryans/Triple Crown or whatever you wanna call it? That's MO.

[hiphophero]

I dont think you guyes realy get it. So what if it can be avoide'd its gonna end up getting twice as mutch trafic as it would if it was hidden or built else where. And right once some one falls and gets hurt thats it for burke riding. Good work on the trail but i dont agree with its location

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

I appreciate the comments regarding location those first two stumps are both intimidating. We will work in the very near future to mark very clear trail lines around the stunts. I have friends that do not ride often and they able to ride many parts of the trail. The stumps are by far the most agressive stunts on the trail. In regards to the very big stump(17ish feet) my friend and one of the builders did it three times before we even built the tranny. Our nex effort will be hidden and it will located above the entrance to triple crown with a hidden exit designed to be invisible. We will also be installing a wood ladder berm on the corner before the last gap to make the run up smoother. We are not going to please all people all of the time and we expect criticism. We have made a commitment to build all of our trails high enough that you have to climb substantially to get to them. I find this is a fairly succesful deterrant to riders who are not serious about the sport or aware of the danger. And from personal experience as many would agree I have had way more harrowing experiences trying to ride poorly built stunts that fall apart underneath you. So, enough said and thanks for all the positive feedback

[hiphophero]

cool good job any way there are gonna be trannys add'd to the jumps? and that weird curvy drop or that launch after the speed section? or are u guys into flat more the trannys either way good work. I also build on burke

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

I am a big fan of tranny's and yes I believe there will be tranny's added as my bones don't like the flat landing. I am sure the tranny building will start with all of the upper jumps and rocks first. As for the curvy drop and the gap after the speed section we will be fixing both to make them more flowing because it is all about the FLOW Thanks

[ATN]

Phantoms: are you guys going to shave/mesh any of the logrides?

[LostBoyScout]

Originally posted by hiphophero
what i was trying to say is, that the building of trails sutch as the abyss off a very well used trail is not the smartest move for the whole burke mtn scence. How i see it if u want to make a trail like the abyss why not make it some where hidden or a new completle line.

I disagree completely!! Triple Crown is a technically challenging trail, those who ride it are bike enthusiasts. You don't get beginners on it. Most of Abyss is balance lines - pretty easy to figure out if you're good enough for those or not. All the big drops are built so that they cannot be innocently hit - you KNOW it's a big drop, just looking at it. As ATN said, all the stuff is well built. I don't see how it's dangerous at all - well any more than any advanced trail.

Building big stunts on trails like flywheel are where the danger is! the lack of cedar down there makes it kinda wierd to put stunts there anyway.

[LostBoyScout]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
Phantoms: are you guys going to shave/mesh any of the logrides?

The log that's right before that wide bridge with the teeter (sweet btw) definitely needs something as it's really really rotted. Probably cedar rungs are about the only way to save that guy.

Mesh would be great on the rest.. you guys may already be planning that though. Where do you guys get your mesh? I'll try to bring a bit with me each time I'm up there and add it on bit by bit... only on the ones that need it of course :)

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

Totally cool comments. Yes we are going to mesh a few of the log rides. Specifically the log after the skinny drop. I would like to mesh that and build up a bit of ladder. One of the reasons why we have built things like the bridge across the creek at the top is because we are trying to make sections of the trail convenient for hikers seeking dry passage over swampy and wet areas. We did this because an elderly hiker was stoked on what we were building and he really appreciated the hiker safe crossings that we constructed. We are planning to bring our mesh up in a roll. Hopefully this will take place in the next few weeks. Enjoy

[ATN]

Originally posted by BURKE PHANTOMS
Totally cool comments. Yes we are going to mesh a few of the log rides. Specifically the log after the skinny drop. I would like to mesh that and build up a bit of ladder. One of the reasons why we have built things like the bridge across the creek at the top is because we are trying to make sections of the trail convenient for hikers seeking dry passage over swampy and wet areas. We did this because an elderly hiker was stoked on what we were building and he really appreciated the hiker safe crossings that we constructed. We are planning to bring our mesh up in a roll. Hopefully this will take place in the next few weeks. Enjoy

The new creek crossing in awesome.... I love it. One area of concern for meshing is the balance line the the top of ryan's before the start of abyss. That will recieve both the abyss traffic and the ryans traffic.

Also, how about a sign saying "abyss go right, ryan's stay straight" as it is kidna confusing.... however no matter which way you choose you will end up at the bottom of ryans.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

We could do that and yes wire might add integrity to the upper balance stuff. Look for new stuff by next weekend.

[billop]

I'm yet to ride the trail. People at school are saying it looks like an awesome trail...however they think it's called:???: "abias":???:. I tried to explain to them but they just didn't listen:( . They're goin up this saturday and want me to come but I'm not. Not untill i get at least one disk brake.

[Pioter]

:lol::lol: abias... that's great. I might ride "abias" sunday but first i gotta actual take a look at my brake to find out whats wrong:o

[billop]

I'm not gonna go untill next weekend. I'd sugest no one else goes if its wet or damp. A lot fo unmeshed wood work. That could turn our pretty bad.:hurt: Plus I'm gettin a disk brake next week so there's another reason to wait.

[ATN]

Originally posted by Szymon
I'm not gonna go untill next weekend. I'd sugest no one else goes if its wet or damp. A lot fo unmeshed wood work. That could turn our pretty bad.:hurt: Plus I'm gettin a disk brake next week so there's another reason to wait.

If the wood ain't ridable you just ride Ryan's instead.

[LostBoyScout]

Me and about a half dozen buddies are going to ride Triple Crown/Abyss this Sunday, we're meeting at Galloway/Coast at 10:00, if anyone wants to join!! :)

*Our group contains aggro-XC riders for the most part, no crazy guys.

[Pioter]

Sounds like fun, I'll go if some of my friends go. Will the aggro-xc riders ride all the way up to triple??

[LostBoyScout]

Originally posted by Pioter
Sounds like fun, I'll go if some of my friends go. Will the aggro-xc riders ride all the way up to triple??

hopefully not!! lol.. nah, probably be on and off. i went up with one of them the other day and we walked the whole thing - which was a good sign

[twofortythree]

thats ver "agro":fro: :announce: :banana:

[billop]

Pioter. Unless you have gotten about 10 times better at going uphill you'll never be able to keep up. XC riders remember? Not trying to be a bummer but he will only hold you back. Did you get those brakes checked? Feel free to totally bash me on this post.

[Pioter]

:swearing::cry: Always before a ride i wanna go on... :swearing: I looked at my brake and the pads are worn out, it was cuttin into the metal even. The :censored: part is i got the brakes a month ago. I'm gonna get pads tomorrow afternoon so i wont ride in the morning :swearing:

[Millstone]

Originally posted by LostBoyScout
Me and about a half dozen buddies are going to ride Triple Crown/Abyss this Sunday, we're meeting at Galloway/Coast at 10:00, if anyone wants to join!! :)

*Our group contains aggro-XC riders for the most part, no crazy guys.

So what then? Do you guys park a car at the bottom of coast? Or? How do you guys normally do this?

[Millstone]

Oh, and while I'm here... PACK IN WHAT YOU PACK OUT. There was trash in the parking area when I left today, I took what I could - If you see someone leaving trash around, SAY SOMETHING.

I also found a shitload of Subway garbage that I ALSO cleaned up.

Some fucking people.

Edit: Another thing.. how about instead of a "trail day", we have a "clean up the crap in the bush by the parking lot day?"

Also, when you're driving on the main road, you are not a rally racer. DO NOT DO 100+ KM/H ON THE ROAD. If my dog gets hit, needless to say you will not be leaving the mountain for at least 24 hours. If a person gets hit, you're going to jail.

[ATN]

Originally posted by phlegm
Also, when you're driving on the main road, you are not a rally racer. DO NOT DO 100+ KM/H ON THE ROAD. If my dog gets hit, needless to say you will not be leaving the mountain for at least 24 hours. If a person gets hit, you're going to jail.

I know.... I always ride up, and I'm always getting passed by morons doing 70 clicks. That's the thing with an area as unregulated/unenforced as Burke.

[ATN]

Originally posted by phlegm
So what then? Do you guys park a car at the bottom of coast? Or? How do you guys normally do this?

I'm not in their group.... but I live on Lincoln so I simply don't use a car.

[Millstone]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
I know.... I always ride up, and I'm always getting passed by morons doing 70 clicks. That's the thing with an area as unregulated/unenforced as Burke.

I drive. But I keep my speed down.

Another thing (lol) - Dirt bikes, and ATV's. What the hell? When did these guys become such obnoxious retards? They are EVERYWHERE they SHOULD NOT BE. Every small path or trail on that mountain is now an eroded mud pit with tire tracks running through it, I passed two streams that had been chewed to shit.

Oh, and why is the road so damn wide now? (I was going to ask this a long time ago)

[billop]

Originally posted by phlegm
If my dog gets hit, needless to say you will not be leaving the mountain for at least 24 hours.

So you make the dog run behind your car? You drive right?

[ATN]

Originally posted by Szymon
So you make the dog run behind your car? You drive right?

drive to gate, ride Triple crown, come out of Galloway, ride to gate, drive to house


geez

[billop]

So then how will his dog get hit by a car?

[Millstone]

:rolleyes: My dog is outside of the car when I'm getting ready to ride.

I can dumb it down a notch if you need me to.

[ATN]

Originally posted by phlegm
:rolleyes: My dog is outside of the car when I'm getting ready to ride.

I can dumb it down a notch if you need me to.

We never have dogs or cars so we don't really think these things through.

[Millstone]

lol, ok.

[billop]

I know I'd be major pissed if my dog got hit by a car. Ever noticed how dog spelled backwards is god. Maybe there's a connection? Anyways I'll be heading up next week doin abyss. I'll be leaving around 11. Hope to see someone up there.

[Pioter]

Wow. You're thinkin about next week already:rolleyes:. I'll go if I dont have any other important plans or if my bike doesn't crap up like it has been doin before rides:mad:, damn bike.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

I guess the best thing to say as far as comments about THE ABYSS. It was built by us, for everyone. It's ridden by us,if
you figure it's in the wrong "SPOT" where is THE RIGHT SPOT?
(ATTENTION- hiphophero) the way i see it is if it is built in a rideable way whether you can ride it now or in the future, as long as it is built right, what is your beef? In the wrong place. If it scares you DON'T RIDE IT! If you don't challenge yourself and attempt things that might "scrape yer shin" if it doesn't go well,
i figure you should maybe take up another sport. Maybe this is coming across a little bit harsh but hte way i see it riding is a challenge. a challenge against yourself. Scare the shit out of yourself once in a while(more often than not) and it's amazing
how much your riding will progress. It's funny how there is some riders that are full of opinions on how to do this and "make this section easier to ride" but all i can say is challenge yourself.

[sdubfid]

Originally posted by phlegm
I drive. But I keep my speed down.

Another thing (lol) - Dirt bikes, and ATV's. What the hell? When did these guys become such obnoxious retards? They are EVERYWHERE they SHOULD NOT BE. Every small path or trail on that mountain is now an eroded mud pit with tire tracks running through it, I passed two streams that had been chewed to shit.

Oh, and why is the road so damn wide now? (I was going to ask this a long time ago)


I agree with you pack it in pack it out. I mountian bike and dirtbike on Burke. I am not an obnoxious retard. I slow down for hikers and mountain bikers. Many of the creeks were washed out and not eroded by dirtbikes/atvs. I have put in time on flywheel, woodland walk, and various other trails. Dirtbikes keep many trails from getting overgrown. Dirtbikes aren't the only thing contributing to the mud. Mountain bikes don't go unnoticed either, look at flywheel. Not all dirtbikers are obnoxious retards. It sucks to have a few bad apples ruin the bunch and be included in an awful stereotype.

[Pioter]

I've got no problems with dirt bikers and ATVers(?) as long as they dont go rippin up and down trails, if they want speed then they should be cautious and go on the roads.

What BurkePhantoms said is good advice, scare your self. Fear will keep you awake and cautious.If you crash then you have an idea of what you did wrong and how to fix it.

[Pioter]

Out of curiosity, who has dropped the "volkswagon" drop on galloway? I've heard it was put into the bushes also, anyone know why?

[ATN]

I have not had a bad experience with motorized vehicles.... but that may be the trails I use to climb up. I saw more dirtbikes on the first left the only time I went up that way, compared to the second left, the preferred road to Triple Crown. The cars on the second left are going slow, or slow down, and the only ATV'ers I saw slowed down as well. Good job to all!

[davet]

Originally posted by Pioter
Out of curiosity, who has dropped the "volkswagon" drop on galloway? I've heard it was put into the bushes also, anyone know why? I've never heard of this???

[ATN]

Originally posted by davet
I've never heard of this???

We headed up Galloway to construct a roll down from a drop, but Dion decided that we should build another drop. I didn't want to, but we built it anyway. It blocked up the trail.... although you could get aroubd if you tried. Sometime between Tuesday and Friday, someone agreed with me and the drop is now in the bush.

It was about 2 feet.

[davet]

Oh sorry, I'm not up to date on this thread. I was imagining dropping off an abandonded volkwagen, which I'd never seen.

I agree with you, drops shouldn't be created without a good ride around, especially that low on the mountain and on that trail. Galloway is an all levels trail. It is used alot by instructional classes and a 2 foot drop is huge for some people just getting in to the sport.

[ATN]

Originally posted by davet
Oh sorry, I'm not up to date on this thread. I was imagining dropping off an abandonded volkwagen, which I'd never seen.

I agree with you, drops shouldn't be created without a good ride around, especially that low on the mountain and on that trail. Galloway is an all levels trail. It is used alot by instructional classes and a 2 foot drop is huge for some people just getting in to the sport.

IMO, every trail's intensity is created by one feature. Vics has lots of roots, etc. Ryan's has a combination of steep terrain and flow. Galloway has the beginning of the trail. It's best to build to keep the trail's "vision" alive.

[Pioter]

I call it the volkswagon drop because there is a volkswagon hub nailed into the tree before the drop. 2 feet is small, that drop was like a meter something after you actually land it and there was a path to the left of it for people to take incase they didnt want to do it.

[LostBoyScout]

People who leave garbage on the trail are definitely idiots. I have never ever littered on my bike riding escapades, I can proudly say. Packing the junk out is a very respectable thing to do. Blaming people randomly isn't though.

I rode Triple/Abyss/Flyhweel today, good fun. Lots of carnage though. The first part of the ride I was really stoked because I did every balance line on Abyss, and all the drops cept the big ones.

I rode that steep rollout off the log after that super-tech log ride, no problem, did it a few times last time - then my buddy slid out and wiped out hard. For some reason I decided to try it again, and well.. front tire washed out at the top and I did a superman faceplant into the trail below - SUCKED hahah.. That thing was MAD slippery, I think it should be a prime candidate for mesh!

I had another bad bail on that balance thing near the top of Flywheel - lost it right on the final downramp, frontwheel left the thing and I endo'd hard.. heh.. I'm pretty crippled now

Good ride though, not too much mud.

Phantoms, I was thinking that I'd like to go build some rollout ladders (pretty steep ones) on those drop/jump ladders near the bottom of the trail, so they could be ridden by more people - would you object to that? I want your approval before I do anything. Of course, they would be built to the level of quality you've put in the rest of the trail!

[billop]

I tried Abyss today. Very good job on everything!!! It was a really fun ride today untill I got half way down Galloway and my face was suddenly pulled to a log on the ground by gravity. I could have stopped it too if my bike hadn't decided to help gravity by nailing me in the back of the head. One word.....fullface.

[Millstone]

Originally posted by sdubfid
I agree with you pack it in pack it out. I mountian bike and dirtbike on Burke. I am not an obnoxious retard. I slow down for hikers and mountain bikers. Many of the creeks were washed out and not eroded by dirtbikes/atvs. I have put in time on flywheel, woodland walk, and various other trails. Dirtbikes keep many trails from getting overgrown. Dirtbikes aren't the only thing contributing to the mud. Mountain bikes don't go unnoticed either, look at flywheel. Not all dirtbikers are obnoxious retards. It sucks to have a few bad apples ruin the bunch and be included in an awful stereotype.

There's more than a few, and there's a lot of new "trails" being carved by them.

I realize not all of them are idiots, but many are. I think more are coming from farther away to ride here and just don't give a shit about the mountain, or the other people on it.

[burke_rider]

yesterday i ran into the NORCO team and NSMB on abyss

[sdubfid]

Originally posted by phlegm
There's more than a few, and there's a lot of new "trails" being carved by them.

I realize not all of them are idiots, but many are. I think more are coming from farther away to ride here and just don't give a shit about the mountain, or the other people on it.

thats true, they just abuse it since they won't be back for awhile I guess.

[hiphophero]

in no way was i dising ur trail. and just to let u no i cleand it everything but the big drop and that hard log thing. I was just saying think before u posibly make more than your self pay for your actions

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

We did think before we built and I think that you can only be accountable for your OWN actions. Nothing on our trail is built in such a way that you need to hit it. The only two spots that you would have to get off your bike is on the ladders around the logs. Our trail is full of a,b and c lines. Please do not use your language so freely in the future as personal liability and how to assess is it is a big mess and a big legal debate. If a railway builds a crossing that is ramped is it their sole liability if a car does 60mph to try and jump it?? Lets be realistic the stunts that are down on Harper road are three times as dangerous as anything that we have constructed.

[hiphophero]

You seem to not be able to be wrong so ill leave this be. But you obiously didnt think seeing as u had to walk off red r to find ur trail u didnt realy have to map anything out as in locations and shit but anways keep up the work.

[billop]

The thing is, no one has been sued yet and unless they are completely brain dead I think they would notice the drop or dirt jump infront of them and if they don't they're a menace to themselves and anyone they ride with. Sorry 'bout the run on sentence but only an idiot would leap before they look.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

Thanks for the continued support Szymon and all the others who offer their constructive and positive feedback. I think anytime an area is altered and the riding level is challenged there will be a few critics. I personally feel that the type of rider that would unknowingly go off any of our stunts could just as easily hurt themselves anywhere on the mountain. As I stated before the time will most likely come where we have to mobilize in the same fashion as the NSMBA. If I were to go to the shore and try to ride the circus would I sue digger or the city of north van (uh,uh,no) Having said that there are some that would. So, what would be the ultimate way to protect people from injury? it would be to make mountain biking illegal everywhere. That would be true due diligence. Until that happens though I think we have to rely on people for taking some sort of personal responsibility on the trails.

[ATN]

let's not forget that Burke Phantoms has done some good work making triple crown more ridable.... the creek and run up to it on upper ryans is a good example.

Major props to him/them (please tell me which)

[LostBoyScout]

Yeah, I'm completely confused as to how Abyss can be anymore dangerous (geographically or otherwise) than any difficult trail. For example, digger's rock on the shhore is a hundred times more dangerous, because the run up is technically easy.

In fact, Abyss is a prime example of a SAFE trail in keeping the incapable off. The entrance is a skinny ramp up into a rolldown. Boom, there you go, you now know it's not an easy trail. And the two stump drops, you have to make your way up a skinny and high board first - that's about as safe as they can possibly get. Yes it's close to Ryan's, but it's not on Ryan's, and that's the important part.

:)

[twofortythree]

Originally posted by Pioter
Out of curiosity, who has dropped the "volkswagon" drop on galloway? I've heard it was put into the bushes also, anyone know why?

wuts the volcswagon drop and is it on lowwer galloway or upper?

[billop]

Its on Upper. It's a drop we built called volkswagen drop cause it has a volkswagen hub infront of it. Probably should have considered everyone when we built it. The trail around it was too thin and I don't blame the person who moved it. We're gonna make a better trail around it and put it back up. On behalf of all the builders(including myslef) I'm sorry:rolleyes: Heh next time we build something we'll take everyone into consideration. Altho I can distinctly remember mentioning a trail around but one of the builders was too stuborn to build a better one. Once again sorry.

PS...I don't call it the volkswagen drop...

[twofortythree]

we are planning a triple/abyss ride on sat...me and alex have desided 11:00 at the gate...the more people the better i guess .....hope to c u there

[twofortythree]

my buddie has a key to the gate

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

Nice, key is good

[ATN]

Originally posted by BURKE PHANTOMS
Nice, key is good

But only when used wisely.

It would defeat some of the benefits of mountain biking (the exercise) but if we were able to throw all of the bulky tools in the mule or in a truck and drive up to the trail we are working on..... I like it.

A couple tool runs a year would be fine.... but the hikers would get mad if we shuttled up to Triple everyday.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

It would be nice to drive some material up to well good so we can fix and build new stuff. I think that you could take the mule if you organized a trail day that focused on the main multi-use trails. And you are definitely right about the shuttle runs. Even I get pissed when a one ton dually with a double wide snow mobile rack makes me wait in the bush while they pass. It's all good though no complaints

[ATN]

You got it about the "it's all good" part. if we start regulating the mountain, eventually the mtb'ers will be regulated out of it as well.

Hikers wont care about the mule if we are fixing trails for them... it's not that wide and we won't drive like idiots.

We'd only do it if we had a key.... no secret around-gate trails.

[LostBoyScout]

Yeah, using the Mule as a shuttle is certainly not in the cards - it would be nice, but not worth it. It would certainly be good for getting the bulkier supplies up to the higher trails though.

I'm not sure if I'll be making the ride this coming weekend or not, depends if my front wheel comes in, because I pretty much destroyed the Judy now, heh. That thing needs the new fork so bad it's not funny!

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

Let me know if the mule is in the cards for material moving anytime soon. That would be the ticket to bring some cedar and mesh up to the wellgood trailhead

I have a 2001 psylo race air. I would sell for 250-300. It works well but I have upgraded to super t's. Send me a pm if interested

[LostBoyScout]

Thanks for the offer but I have a 2003 DJ2 already, just waiting on my 20mm wheel (ordered me an Aircorp wheel.. mmm)

The Mule is ready to go for Saturday or Sunday this coming weekend.

[ride24/7]

Hey are you guys the ones responsible for the abyss? if so props to you!! I hit it for the first time today and it rocked. I did missed a bunch of stuff as I was alone, some I probably would have missed anyway. There are some big drops on that trail:| :eek: Anyway I just thought I'd let you know that it's very :cool:

I haven't been up burke for ages ( a year at least ) and I must say the trails are in great shape, good work. I got back to the truck and no mud:D

:beer: :beer: :beer:

[billop]

You don't ATV on Burke do you?

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

God job Marzocchi always fits the the bill, sounds like a bombproof wheel as well. In regards to the mule we will most likely not be on the mountain this weekend. If plans change I am sure you won't be hard to find. The trail should be sweet for riding this weekend.

[twofortythree]

so whos up for the ride???????????????

[125]

i MIGHT come, but my knee might explode if we have to hike all the way up to abyss

[hiphophero]

Originally posted by BURKE PHANTOMS
If I were to go to the shore and try to ride the circus would I sue digger

digger didnt make the flying circus just to let u no.

[twofortythree]

come ne ways man its all worth it!!!!:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[twofortythree]

Originally posted by hiphophero
digger didnt make the flying circus just to let u no.

THEN SUE DANGEROUS DAN OR WHOEVER IT DOWNT MATTER WHO IT WAS HES JUST MAKIN AN EXAMPLE....JEES MOM

[hiphophero]

right on. keep it rockin

[billop]

I'll be there. Abyss has become such a big attraction. It's kinda short though, maybe it needs a bit of an extension. Then again, maybe it doesn't.:D

[LostBoyScout]

I am not sure if I'm coming this weekend, depends if my wheel arrives this week! (Probably not..) My frame is stripped down and currently being polished, hehe.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

Look for an abyss extension either top or bottom for mid spring. And I apologize for my lack of shore knowledge. I was just trying to emphasize my point. Enjoy the flow and look for a mid spring addition??

[ATN]

Originally posted by Szymon
Abyss has become such a big attraction. It's kinda short though, maybe it needs a bit of an extension.

Currently, that extension is called Ryan's.


But, yeah, if BURKE PHANTOMS is willing to build more.... sounds good to me.

PS if you are building near the bottom I could hike up and visit you guys...

[billop]

Whoa didn't know you were on so early... Hey I could come up to. Maybe even help a bit with some shoveling or anything else. I won't take any credit at all for building any part of abyss i swear.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

The bottom extension would most likely cross Ryan's onto the road through the bush above galloway to galloway, or traverse somewhat back towards the dump side. The other option would be a line above well good with a new exit from well good to the triple crown entrance. If you guys are into shoveling we might construct a few box jumps and leave them to be filled. I rode a trial out at sumas mountain that had mad flow. I want to add a lot more dirt work to the speed section. Berms and tables

[ATN]

Originally posted by BURKE PHANTOMS
The bottom extension would most likely cross Ryan's onto the road through the bush above galloway to galloway, or traverse somewhat back towards the dump side. The other option would be a line above well good with a new exit from well good to the triple crown entrance. If you guys are into shoveling we might construct a few box jumps and leave them to be filled. I rode a trial out at sumas mountain that had mad flow. I want to add a lot more dirt work to the speed section. Berms and tables

I noticed there were some parts in the speed section where the ride around path "gave way" or wasn't cleared....

That will all change with increased traffic though.


I have yet to ride well good, but extending triple crown upwards would be a cool idea.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

That entire section will see more work. The idea is to make the trail resilient to heavy traffic

[LostBoyScout]

Burke Phantoms, if you want help with the extention of Abyss, shoot me an IM. I got a decent arsenal of tools, and I'm going to BCIT for Structural Engineering this fall so I should be able to help build structures :D

[ATN]

Originally posted by BURKE PHANTOMS
That entire section will see more work. The idea is to make the trail resilient to heavy traffic

Exactly. Triple Crown is the backbone of Burke.

I'm planning on doing some work on Flywheel (rockwork). In order to get lots of rocks, holes must be dug, dirt must be moved. We could put the dirt back, or we could build some berms or tables.... which would suit flywheel the best?

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

Berms and tables both would kick some serious ass. Maybe we could get a whole bunch of people and shovels together. Maybe we could use wheel barrows and gravel?? That would require some serious organization but it would once and for all fix flywheel. Let me know what progresses.

[ATN]

Originally posted by BURKE PHANTOMS
Berms and tables both would kick some serious ass. Maybe we could get a whole bunch of people and shovels together. Maybe we could use wheel barrows and gravel?? That would require some serious organization but it would once and for all fix flywheel. Let me know what progresses.

First I just want to get a healthy supply of rocks. Rocks don't rot or break apart.

For the gravel... that would require some hella organization. We'd have to get it delivered to Jason's house, use the mule to get it to the trailhead, and maybe ride 3 pounds at a time down.... anyone who rides the trail that day takes a bag of it.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

I like your style thats practical. It would be mint to have a kick ass shuttle trail that is impervious to heavy traffic. Keep us posted

[twofortythree]

so tell me who is coming on the ride so we can get organized?

[ATN]

Originally posted by BURKE PHANTOMS
I like your style thats practical. It would be mint to have a kick ass shuttle trail that is impervious to heavy traffic. Keep us posted

It's cool how we got over the original tiff we had.

Only problem with making Flywheel into a shuttle trail is that if people are Vouilloz-ing it down there on something more squish than a motel mattress (i feel philosophical right now) any hiker will not stand a chance. Their only saviour will be the fact that a VPS TEAM DH makes a fair bit of noise.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

Maybe we could post some yield to bike signs?? I also agree with you, things are defintely cool. Its great how everyone is coming toghether to make burke even better.

[ATN]

Now that I think about it, the hiker thing shouldn't be that bad, if we use common courtesy. If bikers stop to chat to hikers instead of yelling at them, we should be fine.

An integral part of my flywheel plan is building a good bridge over the muddy lower section.

[billop]

I suggest someone comes up and cuts up the log infront of apoc and makes us some rungs. 2 birds in one stone. We could split the stuff just cut it to length.

[Trail Rider 1.0]

it looks to me like the log infront of apocolypse is there on purpose;) :???:

[LostBoyScout]

Ideally there would be separate biking and hiking trails - though I see that not being overly practical (nor environmentalist pleasing)

I really dig the idea of a flowing, bermed up trail. I think Flywheel starts off really good with that, and has a couple decent berms on the way down, but not a lot. I'm all for helping out on that too, I think the Mule is a good tool although I don't think it can get past the dirtpile at the hairpin on Harper? Not sure, never looked.. but that's a pretty sensitive area with all the mud, maybe it's not worth the effort for Flywheel.. or maybe it is, I don't know :) I'm all for building Flywheel into a flowy trail like that, I think it's a dope idea!

Maybe we can get away with some dirtjumps too :)

I think keeping the stunts on the higher trails is a good plan too, Flywheel's stunts need to be hiker friendly and flowable if we want them to stay

Word. I think this is gonna all work out good :)

[ATN]

Originally posted by LostBoyScout
I think the Mule is a good tool although I don't think it can get past the dirtpile at the hairpin on Harper?


I think there is a wide trail to the left. if not, the connector isn't that long, we can shuttle anything we need ourselves.

Maybe we can get away with some dirtjumps too :)


If it's on the trail.... it's tables only. Off the trail.... we could try somethign else.

I think keeping the stunts on the higher trails is a good plan too, Flywheel's stunts need to be hiker friendly and flowable if we want them to stay

Wide and flowing is my plan. Something that a good rider could do quite fast (to keep the flow from the upper part) but any rider could do. If need be.... we could have the a-line as a the fun bridge and the b-line on the ground (hiker friendly, and could be used by ppl seshing the a-line, as the return to start)

This all requires a lot of rungs and work tho... PHANTOMS, I'd like to see how you guys get such awesome rungs.

[ATN]

Originally posted by Trail Rider 1.0
it looks to me like the log infront of apocolypse is there on purpose;) :???:

Wind doesn't cut trees down perfectly.... someone must of used an axe.

The question is who and why?


Could it be a MTB'er who doesn't want apoc seen by the city?
Could it be a anti-MTB environmentalist?
Could it be BC Hydro (they cut down trees close to power lines)?

[billop]

If it was there for a purpose, it isn't really working. Is apoc still rideable?

[ATN]

Originally posted by Szymon
If it was there for a purpose, it isn't really working. Is apoc still rideable?

Still there, just harder to get speed.

[Trail Rider 1.0]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
Wind doesn't cut trees down perfectly.... someone must of used an axe.


exactly what my ;) meant...

btw, i don't think that bc hydro would have cut down a tree and left it there.

[Pioter]

The log blockes the entire path to get to Apoc, but you can go around:rolleyes:... I don't know if it's rideable because some of the branches on the log might be in the way. Unless that tree was cut down for a damn good reason, what idiot cuts down an entire healthy tree:???: I just don't get it:(

[billop]

We need a saw. Theres just a ton of small branches in the way. If it was there to block they would have placed it better.

[Pioter]

Wow, ths thread is now stickyed or stuck:rolleyes: Mabye we should try and clear up the log for now instead of working on flywheel? Mabye someone with a chainsaw can come and cut that log into nice smaller pieces to use as rungs?

[ATN]

Originally posted by Pioter
Wow, ths thread is now stickyed or stuck:rolleyes: Mabye we should try and clear up the log for now instead of working on flywheel? Mabye someone with a chainsaw can come and cut that log into nice smaller pieces to use as rungs?

When I asked Sharon to close all the 4 old burke threads she asked if I would like this stuck.... now it will never die!

As for the tree... it isn't cedar, so it's a bit harder to split.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

I don't want to ruffle any feathers but I think Apocalypse should move itself up the mountain out of immediate view. This is just a suggestion. There is lots or room for stealth big drops around the lower dump area. Just a thought?

[ATN]

One good thing about Apocolypse's location is the ease of getting someone into an ambulance. However, once someone crashes on it the city/province will take it down.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

That is true. Maybe it could be built across the street up a little higher and hidden. Just a thought in case the province is turning a 'blind eye' on building. That drop may lead to trouble for the rest. It is definitely hard to miss. Tall and solid with a nice tranny.

[m33p]

Originally posted by Pioter
The log blockes the entire path to get to Apoc, but you can go around:rolleyes:... I don't know if it's rideable because some of the branches on the log might be in the way. Unless that tree was cut down for a damn good reason, what idiot cuts down an entire healthy tree:???: I just don't get it:(

Um, I'm confused, so the apocolypse drop is still up but someone cut a live tree right in front of it to block it off?

[billop]

Kinda. The drop is still there. The person/people probably didn't try to block it off or just didn't do a very good job because the tree is kinda to the side. Only the branches are in the way and they're pretty small branches. It's just there's alot of them.

[hiphophero]

just leave the drop how it is i saw the tree across the run in orginoaly that area of run in was not there come on guys u dont need that crappy berm. Let alone should that drop still be standing

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

Just leave the drop how it is??? Wasn't it you that was questioning the location of the abyss. That drop is solid and cool but it should not branch right off harper like that.

[Pioter]

:lol: He can't even make up his mind :D. Moving apoc is a good idea, but what about the smaller drop and the skinney's there? A nice spot could be to the right of the yellow gate, or is it orange:???:

[billop]

I say it's fine where it is. Haven't been any problems with it b4. Plus it's much much less work. But if it must be done, it must be done.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

Good idea. It would be fun to build a similar version on lower dump. There is no shortage of wood and it is close enough that someone could pack in a chain saw and cut some deadfall to split into rungs for building

[Millstone]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine in another thread
BURKE PHANTOMS:

is it possible for me to go up red r the wrong way (uphill) and get to the abyss without going almsot to the top of red r? I'm wondering if I should just hike up with my shovel tomorrow.

I woulda pm'ed you, but you don't seem to check them. if you have msn, please add me at chili_peppers_fan@hotmail.com

If you didn't get an answer, yeah, you can. Go up to where Lower Red comes out, keep going up. It's kinda a rough climb but it takes you to the powerlines and eventually Lower Red.

So... I guess one of these days I should ride a few more trails on Burke.

[ATN]

Originally posted by phlegm
If you didn't get an answer, yeah, you can. Go up to where Lower Red comes out, keep going up. It's kinda a rough climb but it takes you to the powerlines and eventually Lower Red.

So... I guess one of these days I should ride a few more trails on Burke.

I found out for myself.... I have ridden abyss since that post.

[twofortythree]

alex call me or ill call u at 7

[Pioter]

Originally posted by BURKE PHANTOMS
Good idea. It would be fun to build a similar version on lower dump. There is no shortage of wood and it is close enough that someone could pack in a chain saw and cut some deadfall to split into rungs for building
Hmm... build a second, great idea:thepimp: w could call it dooms day or armageddon:rolleyes: We should find out if Inshane will like the idea, and give us ideas on what to build:D

[billop]

Originally posted by burke_builder2
alex call me or ill call u at 7
AHH no useless posts. Thats what PMs are for. Anyways, it would be sweet to build something like that. All that would so close by. That also means we'd need to make a lot of "Around Trails". Like an idiot once said,"You build for yourself, not others."

[Pioter]

Useless post are called spam:eek:

What do you mean by "Around Trails":???:

[billop]

I meant different paths for hikers and newer riders. I'd be happy to shovel plenty of dirt. I think we should get started soon, that way we may be finished by summer. These things take time.

[twofortythree]

we reode abyss today:>:D :D :D :D :D :D

[ATN]

Conditions as of Sat, Feb 15:

Upper Ryans: Logs a bit slippy, small amounts of mud
Abyss: All the stunts were slippy but there was no mud
Upper Galloway: Constant mud, first 500m totally awful

It's also rained a lot since we rode yesterday.

[Pioter]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
Conditions as of Sat, Feb 15:

Upper Ryans: Logs a bit slippy, small amounts of mud
Abyss: All the stunts were slippy but there was no mud
Upper Galloway: Constant mud, first 500m totally awful

It's also rained a lot since we rode yesterday.

That belongs in Trail Conditions

[ATN]

Originally posted by Pioter
That belongs in Trail Conditions

No one really looks there.... everyone that cares about Burke has subscribed to this thread.

[Pioter]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
No one really looks there.... everyone that cares about Burke has subscribed to this thread.
Hmm, Thats true...:thepimp:

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

Sorry ATN, I don't know how to check PM's. I will figure it out tomorrow if I have time

[ATN]

Originally posted by BURKE PHANTOMS
Sorry ATN, I don't know how to check PM's. I will figure it out tomorrow if I have time

Good thing to do is go to http://bb.nsmb.com/newforum/member.php?s=&action=editoptions and select "pop up a box when I get a PM" it's the last one in the Messagign & Notification section.

To get to your pm area, just click PM box in the bar under the nsmb logo & the advertisement.

[Pioter]

Or just click profile, from time to time, to check if you have new PM's

edit: post #69:D

[billop]

I never get PMs and just because i said that doesn't mean you all have to send me them. Just wanted to say something. Also have any of you other than ATN and Pioter and Burke_rider and Burke_builder2 heard of SPOKE?

[ATN]

Originally posted by Szymon A COUPLE DAYS AGO
AHH no useless posts

Originally posted by Szymon TODAY
I never get PMs and just because i said that doesn't mean you all have to send me them.

:rolleyes:

[Pioter]

Originally posted by Szymon
Also have any of you other than ATN and Pioter and Burke_rider and Burke_builder2 heard of SPOKE?
Learn to use some commas. Spoke is well known, use the search.:rolleyes:

[burke_rider]

ive herd of it

[KamaKazi]

hey. i have heard rumors of the old ski hill on the other side of burke reopening. does anybody know more about this? is it true or only rumors?

[bighitter]

Originally posted by KamaKazi
hey. i have heard rumors of the old ski hill on the other side of burke reopening. does anybody know more about this? is it true or only rumors?
i've heard all kinds of development rumours that have been going on for years.x-c ski trails, golf courses,town houses,etc.below the gate i wouldn't be surprised by an type of developement,but above is a park i believe, so it would be hard for anything to really happen(not that it couldn't).i haven't heard anything lately but who knows.later b

[ATN]

Originally posted by bighitter
i've heard all kinds of development rumours that have been going on for years.x-c ski trails, golf courses,town houses,etc.below the gate i wouldn't be surprised by an type of developement,but above is a park i believe, so it would be hard for anything to really happen(not that it couldn't).i haven't heard anything lately but who knows.later b

My opinion:

Pincecone Burke Park is kinda the runt of the BC Parks family. They haven't even posted any signs on how to get to it. They just have 2 somewhat-incorrect maps at 2 locations and call it a park.

With campbell at the wheel, they wouldn't think twice about selling intracorp/west the park.

That said, I LOVE how they don't care. That means we can ride up there.

[ATN]

Does anyone know how much a 5 foot section of 9-12inch wide plastic pipe would cost? This would be used to get a creek flowing under a trail not through it.

[Pioter]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
Does anyone know how much a 5 foot section of 9-12inch wide plastic pipe would cost? This would be used to get a creek flowing under a trail not through it.
Nope, and what trail?

[billop]

Check Home Depot. They got it all. It should be around $10-$15 for 5'. By the way Pioter, I do know how to use commas thank you very much. And isn't it obvious what trail....Galloway. :rawr:

[ATN]

Originally posted by Pioter
Nope, and what trail?

Nectar Connector and Flywheel. This wouldn't be to drain out rainwater, it's mostly for making a creek flow under the trail (NC has creeks flowing across it)

[ATN]

Originally posted by Szymon
By the way Pioter, I do know how to use commas thank you very much.

You forgot a semicolon.

And isn't it obvious what trail....Galloway. :rawr:

Galloway's creek problems cannot be sloved with 5 feet of pipe. For the 2nd creek we bridged, we'd need about 15, and have to do it in the summer, when it's dry. We'd basically have to replace all of the creek by the trail with pipe (10-15 feet)

Is that stream fish bearing? If it is, I'm not touching it.

Some problems could be solved by pipes split in 2 (semicircle instead of circle) but then there is the problem of getting people to ride over it.

[Pioter]

Behind Fox are some pipes, don't know if those are too small tho :( or if there are any in one piece... We dont have to get the creek through the pipes, we should drain the nectar connecter at spots where it gets really bad.

[ATN]

Originally posted by Pioter
Behind Fox are some pipes, don't know if those are too small tho :( or if there are any in one piece... We dont have to get the creek through the pipes, we should drain the nectar connecter at spots where it gets really bad.

NC has the problem that creeks run across it (purpendicular) so I'd want to run a pipe under the trail in line with the creek and run the creek through it.

[billop]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
Is that stream fish bearing? If it is, I'm not touching it.

Yea the fish come down from the mountains.:rolleyes:

[ATN]

Originally posted by Szymon
Yea the fish come down from the mountains.:rolleyes:

No, they just swim up there every year. Or maybe they are really small.

[billop]

:lol: I was thinking I would either point out a stupid mistake or make an ass out of myself. Anyways i think the samon do all their swimming in hide creek. Besides it's probably too small anyways, unless we're talking about 2 different creeks. Do you mean the one on the nectar connector.:???:

[ATN]

i was meaning the creek beside (and under) the stuff we built with dave.

[m33p]

All I'm gonna say is if you build a trail build it solid. I've torn down shotty ramps on Burke before and I will do it again. Set a day and I'm there to help you guys with anything ya need.

[twofortythree]

shotty ehh!:rolleyes:

[twofortythree]

Originally posted by m33p
All I'm gonna say is if you build a trail build it solid. I've torn down shotty ramps on Burke before and I will do it again. Set a day and I'm there to help you guys with anything ya need.

u havent been on flywheel then have u???:rolleyes:

[billop]

I knew the ramps we built were shotty. But then there's Dion. In control of all the building, his word is everyones command. He said this and I qoute, "Who cares, you build for yourself, not others."

[m33p]

Originally posted by burke_builder2
u havent been on flywheel then have u???:rolleyes:

I have, but I didn't think about tearing them out without building new ones, and that involves importing wood and a lot more time than I have to save a worthless trail.

[ATN]

Originally posted by m33p
I have, but I didn't think about tearing them out without building new ones, and that involves importing wood and a lot more time than I have to save a worthless trail.

I don't believe it is worthless, but then I'm in a diff situation than most people. I don't drive up to the gate... so I gotta get down the mtn anyway, and I would rather ride a decent trail than the road.

[m33p]

True I ride up and down most of the time too but the trail was not good from the start, I am speaking from a builders POV not a riders.

[billop]

Lets all put our efforts together to build a new, less worthless trail. I think flywheel was just an improvised trail so that people didn't have to take the road down.

[m33p]

I'll be workin on Lower Vic's on sunday and will take a stroll down flywheel to see what's up. When's that new school/housing going in?

[ATN]

Originally posted by m33p
I'll be workin on Lower Vic's on sunday and will take a stroll down flywheel to see what's up. When's that new school/housing going in?

The houses will be built with the next 3 years, maybe. it's hard to tell with politicians.

[ATN]

Originally posted by Szymon
Lets all put our efforts together to build a new, less worthless trail. I think flywheel was just an improvised trail so that people didn't have to take the road down.

Flywheel was a hiking trail that was conviniently next to galloway.

Less worthless trail? Cutting a trail takes a lot of work in area like flywheel (bushes and shit on gorund, not just open tree spaces), it's a lot less work to just turn Flywheel in to how we want/ how it was. m33p knows what he's talking about, a I've talked to him on msn. The worthless part of Flywheel is the swamp (between the logride and the part where it goes into confierous forest) so if we figure out a way to get bikes through that area quickly and cleanly, the trail will become less worthless.

[m33p]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
Flywheel was a hiking trail that was conviniently next to galloway.

Less worthless trail? Cutting a trail takes a lot of work in area like flywheel (bushes and shit on gorund, not just open tree spaces), it's a lot less work to just turn Flywheel in to how we want/ how it was. m33p knows what he's talking about, a I've talked to him on msn. The worthless part of Flywheel is the swamp (between the logride and the part where it goes into confierous forest) so if we figure out a way to get bikes through that area quickly and cleanly, the trail will become less worthless.

Great Plan! If we can avoid the swamp in the middle flywheel could be a good trail, but how do go about doin that?

[ATN]

Me and Pete were up there today. About half of the pauddles int he swamp are caused by the creek. If we divert the creek to the sure of the trail (or stop seepage) then there will be less mud. Then we make sure that low areas drain out, for even less mud. Some well built bridges would be needed.

[m33p]

You coudl dig a huge pit and steer the creek into it then put a bridge over it. I notcied that the trail was built right beside the creek. Pretty dumb. We'll plan something around it tho.

[Trail Rider 1.0]

for the swampy section of flywheel, i was thinking it would be neat to just build one long-ass bridge that is decently wide and flowy, just to get through the whole thing. that would require alot of wood, which brings me to my next point.

I had this flash of brilliance as i came to my grandparents house the other day one day too late after they got a huge cedar tree on their property cut down and taken away. there was easily 50 feet of 2+ foot around cedar there that got taken away:( BUT, i was thinking, why not talk to one of these little tree cutting business's and ask if we could take some cedar off of them. I think it's worth a try, anyone else think it might work?

[m33p]

Originally posted by Trail Rider 1.0
would require alot of wood, which brings me to my next point.

I had this flash of brilliance as i came to my grandparents house the other day one day too late after they got a huge cedar tree on their property cut down and taken away. there was easily 50 feet of 2+ foot around cedar there that got taken away:( BUT, i was thinking, why not talk to one of these little tree cutting business's and ask if we could take some cedar off of them. I think it's worth a try, anyone else think it might work?

How are you gonna get it to the trail? That's a lot of wood to hump in.

[ATN]

The best way to get cedar is probably to just find the clsoest cedar on the trail. I may be mistaken, but itsn't the logride a cedar tree?

Long bridge idea looks like the best one right now. It would be nice to get the creek sorted out tho, as falling into mud isn't fun.

[Trail Rider 1.0]

Originally posted by m33p
How are you gonna get it to the trail? That's a lot of wood to hump in.

if someone has a chainsaw you could precut the slats and everything and it would just be a matter of hauling some bundles of wood to the building site. it would be alot of work, but look at the area around flywheel, not much cedar, and if we can get some fresh wood that's already cut down, it'd be alright for that area. just my thoughts, maybe it wouldn't work as well as i had imagined:???:

[burke_rider]

just use pre cut wood. it mite poisen the water but its not like we are allowed to fish or eat the fish in our local creeks

[Trail Rider 1.0]

Originally posted by burke_rider
just use pre cut wood. it mite poisen the water but its not like we are allowed to fish or eat the fish in our local creeks

like 2x4's?

a) it costs money
b) you have less traction than split cedar
c) it looks ugly in the forest

sorry, but i'm a natural wood kinda guy:lol::)

[Pioter]

2x4's should be a last resort, and cedar is a first resort:D Mabye once we clear out the swampy area we can get a rollercoaster going:thepimp:

[billop]

You and your roller coasters.:rolleyes: I think we should have a long ladder going from the log ride strait down. We could use the ladders already built in the swampy section unless they are that great. That's my 2 cents.

[burke_rider]

i think peter should go find his own curve trees to make a roller coaster instead of getting other people to build it for him.

[Pioter]

It was just an idea:rolleyes: the swampy area is wide so once it gets drained or rerouted or whatever, we got lots of rooom for stunts. Or do you just want one long ladder?

[m33p]

Why waste time with stunts that will kill flow. Rollercoasters are a massive flow killer unless you can get the roll. I say just make one long flowy bridge. Flywheel was flowy to start with.

[Pioter]

Won't a long bridge be kinda boring to ride? unless flywheel is the kind of trail u do when you are tired or in a rush to get down the mountain, is it?:???:?

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

Put table tops in the bridge and reinforce it so people can air it if they want. Or some nice wide chicane type curves? Either way I think elevation with natural cedar is the way to conquer that marshy mess.

[billop]

A nice long bridge would be fun. I don't take flywheel anymore because
1)I don't want to get more muddy for a boring ride
2)Going fast down the street is more fun
3)Too tired
Just thinking those might be some areas to improve on.

[ATN]

When you come out of Upper Dump and need to get down the mtn, you have to choose the road or Flywheel. Road is boring, but it's fast and you don't get covered in mud. Flywheel is less boring, but currently you are going to run into some mud.

For each situation we need to take away the negatives. I'm not exactly sure how to make a road fun (without dropping by S2) but we can bridge over the mud. Currently, I'm for long, wide, and flat. Goes up quicker, rides quicker.

[twofortythree]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
Me and Pete were up there today. About half of the pauddles int he swamp are caused by the creek. If we divert the creek to the sure of the trail (or stop seepage) then there will be less mud. Then we make sure that low areas drain out, for even less mud. Some well built bridges would be needed.

and take out those mud bridges

[burke_rider]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
I'm for long, wide, and flat. Goes up quicker, rides quicker.



Y wide, y not skinny?

[twofortythree]

ur really really dum arent u???

becasue flywheel is low down and its not an advanced trail.

[burke_rider]

no im not really dumb. your the dumb ass who cant even spell dumb and why does it matter if its low down, if you dont like it or cant ride it then dont

[Pioter]

Oh.. looks like theres some competition... might i ask when the riding challenge will be:D

We'll leave the bridges in for now until we can get replacements (obviously:rolleyes: ) Flywheel is the least advanced trail, if you want something more challenging then there is gallo, abyss, sawblade and the rest...

[billop]

First of all there is no riding challenge. And where's the competition? Just a couple of people with different ideas. If you want a trail with skinny ladders and pro stunts then build one...just not somewhere close to the bottom of the mountain where most of the novice riders are. Someone might get hurt. I've seen some of the stunts you built burke_rider. Loose, thin, toothpick rungs held together with 1 or 2 nails. Flywheel will have long smooth SAFE ladders and if you don't think that's fun then don't ride the trail. Oh and burke_builder2......nah just spell however you want to.