Burke thread

[chopcity]

Anyone got a chain saw that lives in poco and that can get to burke easily? CHAINSAWS are the best:D :D :D So much easier then a normal saw and much more fun ahahaha

[ATN]

Rocks aren't necessarily needed for the entire length. If the drainage (slope to side) is sufficient, non-organic dirt will do just fine. As long people aren'tcreating resistence by braking and skidding out of control, the dirt doesn't get eroded much either.

You cannot tell me that Flywheel does not have dirt, especially that section.

[billop]

I suggest we just raise the whole thing with water channels at the side like BURKE PHANTOMS said. Ladders should be the second option for those parts of Flywheel.

[twofortythree]

not dis agreeing with u but latters have tons of flow..if u have ever ridden on the shore u woudl know how flowy ladders can b...just keep the rungs close together and they flow like madd...ladders r used everywhere on the shore..i think rocks r beeter for ressisting erosing.

[ATN]

Originally posted by Szymon
I suggest we just raise the whole thing with water channels at the side like BURKE PHANTOMS said. Ladders should be the second option for those parts of Flywheel.

To me there are 2 options: ladders and not ladders. (The third, "fuck it", isn't considered building at all)

The log to the side does pose problems, but if we could have a water bar on the upmountain side of the trail, with the trail slope leading into it (also creating marginal berm effect) and two short lengths of some pipe buried under the trail to get that water into the forest.

[ATN]

Originally posted by twofortythree
not dis agreeing with u but latters have tons of flow..if u have ever ridden on the shore u woudl know how flowy ladders can b...just keep the rungs close together and they flow like madd...ladders r used everywhere on the shore..i think rocks r beeter for ressisting erosing.

Don't worry man, I've seen the awesome work on pangor, ladders can be flowy, but still... your BMX track is made of dirt.

[twofortythree]

this is wut i think should be done...maybe rocking all the way through but there is the drainage issue becasue it is low

[ATN]

My plan

[twofortythree]

here it is
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=81566

[twofortythree]

Originally posted by ATN
Don't worry man, I've seen the awesome work on pangor, ladders can be flowy, but still... your BMX track is made of dirt.

the bmx track also has trackters....is still not packed after starting at november.....

[twofortythree]

alex...on fri when adn if u come after we work on ur trail a bhit we cna pile rocks and crap there

[ATN]

Originally posted by twofortythree
the bmx track also has trackters....is still not packed after starting at november.....

we'd be dealing with a lot less dirt.

as for friday... have to see carnage after race.

[twofortythree]

oic...the only trhing i can think of is the problem of when it rains up there...that hole is full of water when it rains so we talking a crap load oif racks here if were gonna raise it that much

[chopcity]

I say where the log is if its such a problem bring a saw and cut it away and through it into the bush or something. then u can buoid some nice berms around the corners with a ladder between the burn so it flow nicely. like in atns diagram but burms wher ehe said but put a nice ladder inbetween and nice close rungs together so it flows nicly, if u put rocks between the berms it will be bumby but if u put a ladder it will be a nice fast part with flow

[twofortythree]

if u do rocks rite they can be smooth..for example upper oil can on fromme is rock work pretty much all the way down...i th9ink on the first pic we can put a burmup beside the logand rocks on the inside

[chopcity]

ya the rock work on flywheel is pretty crappy

[ATN]

As I have said before, we don't actually need rocks if we have non organic soil with a slope for drainage. Non organic is the gold dirt that packs real nice. It won't see much wear if the corner after it is smooth and people don't jab the brakes on before it (while on the straight).

The log is actally going to help us, only a couple spaces will need to go to get the pipes thru. it's rotten so a moddock would make quick work of it.

The pipes should be maybe 10cm diameter, 4 feet long, PVC? Shouldn't be more than 5-10 bucks for the pair I hope.

[chopcity]

flywheel is a newb trail ppl will skid on the stright guaranteed

[billop]

Originally posted by BURKE_RIDER$
flywheel is a newb trail ppl will skid on the stright guaranteed
Exactly. Newb trail to the maximum. We need much better rocks and better work too. Some day we should organize a local trail day for Flywheel, maybe this weekend if weather permits.

[twofortythree]

the burm will help pout wit the skidding too

[twofortythree]

we shoudl all go up this weekend wit tools

[twofortythree]

we could get alot done

[twofortythree]

me adn chris r prob gonna eb up there on fri too..ne one else up for helping on that corner...

[125]

Originally posted by twofortythree
the burm will help pout wit the skidding too
Originally posted by twofortythree
we shoudl all go up this weekend wit tools
Originally posted by twofortythree
we could get alot done
Originally posted by twofortythree
me adn chris r prob gonna eb up there on fri too..ne one else up for helping on that corner...

instead of making 4 different posts, combine them together and make 1

[Millstone]

Originally posted by 125
instead of making 4 different posts, combine them together and make 1

Agreed.

And yes, Flywheel is a beginner trail, and is going to get shitkicked one way or another.

[ATN]

Originally posted by phlegm
And yes, Flywheel is a beginner trail, and is going to get shitkicked one way or another.

I am aware of that.

I do think though, that if someone new to the sport gets on a section that is smooth, they feel fast, and they don't fight it. The section isn't that steep... they will definately have slowed down by the flat.

Also, say you rock the flat... new riders will come down the berm, going a bit faster then usual, see rocks, get scared, and tear up the berm. We'd have to pave the whole trail.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

Why not try both methods at different points in the trail. I like ATN's idea re: using non organic dirt. That area could be framed and drainage could be set up. Once done a hole could be dug close to the trail to access that nice gold dirt. I don't think that would be terribly hard, just ime consuming. The other way to do it would be to build a banked wide ladder with rungs spaced as close as possible. Properly built this would not disturb flow. Soon enough we will have new trail that exhibits both of these styles of building.

[ATN]

I agree with you PHANTOMS, but currently I do not know how to procure rungs of that length.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

You need the fro tool. We measure rungs the legth of our fingers to shoulder. The fro allows easy splitting of these legths of wood. Using this method you can build a very effective and strong wood berm. You could also use the wood to build walls to support dirt berms. Just remember to leave drain holes in the wood to allow water to escape. The fro is a 12" wide blade that has a quarter of a fence post on the side that is used as a striking block for the back of an axe.

[chopcity]

yea if its sunny ill be up there tommorow, how much is this FRO cutter, And where to u get it?

[ATN]

Originally posted by BURKE_RIDER$
yea if its sunny ill be up there tommorow, how much is this FRO cutter, And where to u get it?

FROE! E! E! E!

$20, poco hardware I think.

[chopcity]

does anyone have a fro thing

[chopcity]

is there any shovels at flywheel stashed
cause i might go up soon and i could pile dirt for a berm

[ATN]

Originally posted by BURKE_RIDER$
is there any shovels at flywheel stashed
cause i might go up soon and i could pile dirt for a berm

no

the last people to see mine were tyler and stefen.

[chopcity]

im going up light in 10 min so could u tell me where they are i will put them back

[ATN]

Originally posted by BURKE_RIDER$
im going up light in 10 min so could u tell me where they are i will put them back

one's lost, one's in simon's shed.

[twofortythree]

:eek: :eek: wee put them back but tomor i can bring shovels and take them back down

[chopcity]

just came back from flywheel. we did lost of work on upper flywheel we made a few burms and filles in lots of puddles did some rock work and yeah, there were so many puddles i could decide what to fill in but i filled most in, fly wheel is pretty much screwed if ppl dont start maintaining it, u just goot go up and do a little work and it wil lbe good in no time

[chopcity]

in some parts on flywheel its ohmost impossible to fix with rock work ther eis 1 muud pit inpartucular that is about 20/30 feet long that is pure mudd/water u defintly need to but a ladder over it or it will never get fixed

[twofortythree]

wut tools did u guys have??

[chopcity]

Originally posted by twofortythree
wut tools did u guys have??

shovels:(

[twofortythree]

ahhh..ic...where u get them and did u take them down??

[billop]

Originally posted by BURKE_RIDER$
just came back from flywheel. we did lost of work on upper flywheel we made a few burms and filles in lots of puddles did some rock work and yeah, there were so many puddles i could decide what to fill in but i filled most in, fly wheel is pretty much screwed if ppl dont start maintaining it, u just goot go up and do a little work and it wil lbe good in no time
Who are you and what have you done with Chris? Since when did actually care about Flywheel? What happened to building huge stunts and screwing over everyone else?

[chopcity]

Originally posted by twofortythree
ahhh..ic...where u get them and did u take them down??
got them from jessie and we brought them uo the back down..

[chopcity]

Originally posted by Szymon
Who are you and what have you done with Chris? Since when did actually care about Flywheel? What happened to building huge stunts and screwing over everyone else?

I am go i still wanna build huge stunts abd screw everyon over but stupid ppl that dont like them even tho they cn get around take them apart and try to be cool but when i see them u no the rest

[ATN]

Abyss is not torn down.

Make sure what you build is in the right location.

[twofortythree]

so who is gonna come up to flywheel tomor??

[chopcity]

Originally posted by ATN
Abyss is not torn down.

Make sure what you build is in the right location.

abyss is at the top where nebs dont go down and not very many ppl no about it on flywheel lots of ppl no about it then they will try to do the stunt then end up bbreaking it and they wont fix what they broke

[chopcity]

Originally posted by twofortythree
so who is gonna come up to flywheel tomor??

ill go up what are we going to work on flywheel? or the other trail? whatever we work on brind a sew or axe and some nails

[twofortythree]

Originally posted by twofortythree
so who is gonna come up to flywheel tomor??

[billop]

Originally posted by BURKE_RIDER$
I am go i still wanna build huge stunts abd screw everyon over but stupid ppl that dont like them even tho they cn get around take them apart and try to be cool but when i see them u no the rest
Please proofread your posts so that they at least make sense. I'll go up as soon as I can get my bike fixed...anytime now.:(

[twofortythree]

ur bb has been a while now

[chopcity]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH ur never going to get it dont u get it by now they scammed you over!!!!! ahahahaha im glad:D

[125]

Originally posted by Szymon
Please proofread your posts so that they at least make sense. that applies to tyler too

[twofortythree]

SORRY MADD THUG..I DIDNT KNWO U WERE TALKIGN TO ME

[twofortythree]

:eek: :eek: :eek: O NO HARK SPELLING MISTAKES

[chopcity]

Originally posted by twofortythree
SORRY MADD THUG..I DIDNT KNWO U WERE TALKIGN TO ME

hahaha:D

[twofortythree]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: nice pic chris

[billop]

Originally posted by 125
that applies to tyler too
Actually it was aimed mostly at Chris and Tyler. Everyone else seems to have readable sentences. Doesn't have to be perfect but try to make sense.

[Pioter]

Its all readable, but it does need punctuation to make sense...well actually sometimes, the posts are horrible. Stupid school takes time away from biking. Whos up for some riding next week or trail fixing :D:D

[chopcity]

went to flywheel today and someone is doing work who is it? and it drying up

[twofortythree]

is it good work??

[chopcity]

the work is alright

[ATN]

It was not me.

[chopcity]

does anyone know where woodlot is?

[stillgoing]

yes

[chopcity]

Originally posted by stillgoing
yes

where

[125]

Originally posted by BURKE_RIDER$
where over there

[Pioter]

Originally posted by 125
over there under there?

[chopcity]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HALARIOUS :fruit:

[billop]

hahaha delete your posts before this thread turns into a chat session. Chris, if you wanna know where woodlot is then PM Stillgoing. Hark...when was the last time you rode burke? Peter...not you too.

[125]

Originally posted by Szymon
hahaha delete your posts before this thread turns into a chat session. Chris, if you wanna know where woodlot is then PM Stillgoing. Hark...when was the last time you rode burke? Peter...not you too. last time i rode burke...........like a month ago, does station count cuz its kinda on burke and i rode that 2 days ago

[chopcity]

HAHAHAHA

[chopcity]

has anyone done anywork on any trails or started making new ones????:???: :japan: :rocker:

[ATN]

Originally posted by BURKE_RIDER$
has anyone done anywork on any trails or started making new ones????:???: :japan: :rocker:

Me and Dion rocked a section of Upper Dump yesterday. Today I was up on Seventh.

[chopcity]

upper dump?

[ATN]

Galloway

Right now, it's a dump.

[chopcity]

WHERE IS SAWBLADE!!!

[urban-rider]

anyone seen me buildin my drop, off to the left of the road it's a pretty new drop, 2x4's for rungs and its about 5mins up!?!?

[ATN]

Originally posted by urban-rider
anyone seen me buildin my drop, off to the left of the road it's a pretty new drop, 2x4's for rungs and its about 5mins up!?!?

What road....

I rode to the gate and back today and didn't see anything unusual.

[Action Hero]

WE BUILT A FUCKING JUMP OF DIRT, FUCK YOU.

[twofortythree]

at s2...u built the new one eh:eek:

[Action Hero]

No, I just kinda tore down the suck and built up the cool.

[Action Hero]

BTW; Say hello to my new 6 1/2 foot lip.:eek:

[billop]

Hey can we turn those useless ones at the side bigger? Like, into doubles?

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

What are you guys talking about??? This is not a chat session. If it there is nothing relevant to add, don't post to this thread. The more crap that gets built right off of harper the more all of the trails will be in jeopardy. If people are to lazy to hike past the gate then don't build on the mountain. Our group as well as many others have invested to much time and effort into making Burke a fun and well designed destination for all types of riders. If I sound pissed it's because I get an email that lets me know that someone posted to the thread. It is really dissapointing to find three word dribble when you are looking to interact with others who share a common goal. ATN is a perfect example of someone who has matured considerably since his first post on the thread. Let's all follow his lead.:???:

[billop]

I agree. Some of you guys are posting 2-3 even 4 posts when all you need is one. Think before you post something. Maybe you want to add to that? Just don't make a post for every sentence you think of, combine them and make one post. You'll notice the last 30 pages of this thread are pretty useless. So go back. Read through your posts and delete what's unneeded. Please.

[BOUCH]

Originally posted by BURKE PHANTOMS
What are you guys talking about??? This is not a chat session. If it there is nothing relevant to add, don't post to this thread. The more crap that gets built right off of harper the more all of the trails will be in jeopardy. If people are to lazy to hike past the gate then don't build on the mountain. Our group as well as many others have invested to much time and effort into making Burke a fun and well designed destination for all types of riders. If I sound pissed it's because I get an email that lets me know that someone posted to the thread. It is really dissapointing to find three word dribble when you are looking to interact with others who share a common goal. ATN is a perfect example of someone who has matured considerably since his first post on the thread. Let's all follow his lead.:???:

:(

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

I knew that you would be on board Szymon, I know you want to burke to be a kick ass place to ride.

[ATN]

Originally posted by BURKE_RIDER$
SRY BURKE MASTER;)

The phantoms currently are the masters. They are really the only ones doing work. Vic isn't up to much these days I guess....

Now to combine posts:

What is the availabilty of the Big 3 like on Upper Ryans?

Cedar - Yes
Big Rocks - ????
"Gold" (Sandy Dirt) - ????

[chopcity]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ATN
[B]The phantoms currently are the masters. They are really the only ones doing work. Vic isn't up to much these days I guess....

not the leader of me mabye you :high:

[ATN]

Originally posted by BURKE_RIDER$
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ATN
[B]The phantoms currently are the masters. They are really the only ones doing work. Vic isn't up to much these days I guess....

not the leader of me mabye you :high:

Maybe.... I just said they were. And I am fine with that.

[twofortythree]

Originally posted by Szymon
Hey can we turn those useless ones at the side bigger? Like, into doubles?

i wanna start a 6 poack in there

[ATN]

Talk about s2 and lafarge here (http://bb.nsmb.com/newforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14238)

[Millstone]

I rode Galloway for the first time in about 4 months just yesterday. Wow, is that trail ever fucked. Another one bites the dust.

[Action Hero]

Originally posted by ATN
Talk about s2 and lafarge here (http://bb.nsmb.com/newforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14238)

s2 is on burke (to a certain degree)

[ATN]

Originally posted by phlegm
I rode Galloway for the first time in about 4 months just yesterday. Wow, is that trail ever fucked. Another one bites the dust.

Me and Dion did it Saturday. We were riding up from the gate and saw 5-7 people riding down, skipping Galloway, scaring us. It was also pissing rain then. Once we got on the trail the rain stopped, and we stopped to rock 2 sections, altho we didn't have any tools so I guess we gotta go do the gold...

Those two rock sections, after the first creek bridge, after the flat after that, at the place where there are 3 lines going through a hollow tree.... were they still there? Were the upper 2 lines still blocked?

BTW evan, it is to a certain degree, but the threads will be more effiecient this way I hope. if you had a s2 thread to begin with, with you like me to come in and say how bad the trails are and that people with rear brake only are chewing them up?

(I have front brake now)

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

We are not the leaders of anything, we are only trying to be constructive. ATN is one of the only people on this thread who puts his money where his mouth is. This is a free thread and site, anyone can participate. It is my hope that if you do want to be involved that you restrict your comments to the mountain and how we can make it bigger and better. As for dirt jumps I am all for them, in fact we hope to put some step downs on our trails. We are still going to keep the integrity of the trail though. Like I said it is actually pretty simple, this thread is a discussion about trail maintenance and building lets all keep it that way.

[Action Hero]

Originally posted by ATN
Me and Dion did it Saturday. We were riding up from the gate and saw 5-7 people riding down, skipping Galloway, scaring us. It was also pissing rain then. Once we got on the trail the rain stopped, and we stopped to rock 2 sections, altho we didn't have any tools so I guess we gotta go do the gold...

Those two rock sections, after the first creek bridge, after the flat after that, at the place where there are 3 lines going through a hollow tree.... were they still there? Were the upper 2 lines still blocked?

BTW evan, it is to a certain degree, but the threads will be more effiecient this way I hope. if you had a s2 thread to begin with, with you like me to come in and say how bad the trails are and that people with rear brake only are chewing them up?

(I have front brake now)

S2 is in Burke mountain, Burke mountain isn't in S2.....So talking about Burke in a S2 thread would be retarded....

Why are you talking about rear brake only chewing up trails? It's not like I ride trails that much...and when I do I put on my front brake...:???:

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

Let's keep it to the trails. Pure dirt jump areas can have their own thread. If you dig dj's more than trail rides thats cool. Everything contributes to the building styles of new trails. Three years ago step downs and gaps were rarely seen on trails. I that I want is for this thread to either get focused or not get used. There has to be chat areas in other venues that could be used

[ATN]

Originally posted by tweek
S2 is in Burke mountain, Burke mountain isn't in S2.....So talking about Burke in a S2 thread would be retarded....

Why are you talking about rear brake only chewing up trails? It's not like I ride trails that much...and when I do I put on my front brake...:???:

I am becoming mini-john.

Anyways, I think it works better with the new thread.

[Action Hero]

Originally posted by BURKE PHANTOMS
Let's keep it to the trails. Pure dirt jump areas can have their own thread. If you dig dj's more than trail rides thats cool. Everything contributes to the building styles of new trails. Three years ago step downs and gaps were rarely seen on trails. I that I want is for this thread to either get focused or not get used. There has to be chat areas in other venues that could be used

I think I have spent more time maintain/ helping out with trails this year than I have ever spent riding trails. :lol:

[ATN]

Originally posted by tweek
I think I have spent more time maintain/ helping out with trails this year than I have ever spent riding trails. :lol:

I currently have a 2 days maintain : 0 days ride record on the shore.

Pure karma.

[Action Hero]

I've been up burke about 7 times this year....and only once with my bike. :lol:

[couch@nsmb.com]

Time to start a Burke Thread 2. I will lock this one so that any relevant information will be kept.