Burke thread

[ATN]

Originally posted by Szymon
First of all there is no riding challenge. And where's the competition? Just a couple of people with different ideas. If you want a trail with skinny ladders and pro stunts then build one...just not somewhere close to the bottom of the mountain where most of the novice riders are. Someone might get hurt. I've seen some of the stunts you built burke_rider. Loose, thin, toothpick rungs held together with 1 or 2 nails. Flywheel will have long smooth SAFE ladders and if you don't think that's fun then don't ride the trail. Oh and burke_builder2......nah just spell however you want to.

Amen, brother.

I don't think we would be building "stunts", just a way of getting from Point A to Point B. Anything skinny should be to the side, and built well. NSX5 Lights Out is an awesome movie to see properly made skinnies.

[Pioter]

There are a few skinnies on flywheel, but i dont think we will be building any at the swampy section. Wide easy ladders to ride on with mud as a hazzard if you ride off the ladder because draining may take a while... Oh, lets try to make it so that the hikers have to walk in the mud.. hehehe:D

[ATN]

Originally posted by Pioter
Oh, lets try to make it so that the hikers have to walk in the mud.. hehehe:D

Is that sarcasm?

Mad hikers are not a good thing to keep the trails open or stunts up. Their lack of bike makes it easy for them to pack in a chainsaw.

[twofortythree]

Originally posted by Szymon
First of all there is no riding challenge. And where's the competition? Just a couple of people with different ideas. If you want a trail with skinny ladders and pro stunts then build one...just not somewhere close to the bottom of the mountain where most of the novice riders are. Someone might get hurt. I've seen some of the stunts you built burke_rider. Loose, thin, toothpick rungs held together with 1 or 2 nails. Flywheel will have long smooth SAFE ladders and if you don't think that's fun then don't ride the trail. Oh and burke_builder2......nah just spell however you want to. :D :D thnx for the backup there szymon

[Pioter]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
Is that sarcasm?

Mad hikers are not a good thing to keep the trails open or stunts up. Their lack of bike makes it easy for them to pack in a chainsaw.
Heh, yea that was sarcasm. Are you sure hikers use that trail though? I've never seen a hiker on Flywheel before. On the long ladder, if the rungs are close enough it can be hiker friendly and they will avoid the mud at the same time.

[ATN]

Originally posted by Pioter
Heh, yea that was sarcasm. Are you sure hikers use that trail though? I've never seen a hiker on Flywheel before. On the long ladder, if the rungs are close enough it can be hiker friendly and they will avoid the mud at the same time.

I know Frank hikes Flywheel a bit, but he also rides and builds for riders. Aside from him, I haven't seen anyone else. When we were with Dave on Upper Dump, I think we saw a hiker, you were there.

[billop]

Yea we did see a hiker. Friendly guy, in his 50s, grey hair....duh. He was goin up the trail so maybe he came from flywheel. Anyways when's this whole "Flywheel Rebuilding" going to happen. We should get started ASAP for the summer. Or do you want to do this in the summer. Lets get some dates out in the open. I also think we should start from the bottom up. That way no one tries that new path and gets stuck in a dead end.

[ATN]

Originally posted by Szymon
Anyways when's this whole "Flywheel Rebuilding" going to happen. We should get started ASAP for the summer. Or do you want to do this in the summer. Lets get some dates out in the open.

First thing to do is make sure we can find the cedar we need. We need to find suitable stringers and supports, and find some stuff that can be split into rungs. We then have to split the rungs, and then hike everything into place (we may have to go to bottom/top of trail for cedar). Then we just start building one long bridge (can be built in sections with temp off/on ramps, over bad parts first). Once we get bikes off the ground, we can put drainage into the ground.

As for dates, pretty much "any given (sunny) sunday", or saturday, but a lot of kids have more shit to do on saturday than sunday.

I also think we should start from the bottom up. That way no one tries that new path and gets stuck in a dead end.

What new path? Is this in the swamp or at the top? Is this Dion's new path?

[billop]

Aren't we making a new path through the swamp? Or are we doin some major fixing on the old one? I thought we were going to make a new path around the swampy area to avoid having to drain it. If we are going to make a path around the swamp then I think we should start from the bottom and make our way up.

[ATN]

Originally posted by Szymon
Aren't we making a new path through the swamp? Or are we doin some major fixing on the old one? I thought we were going to make a new path around the swampy area to avoid having to drain it. If we are going to make a path around the swamp then I think we should start from the bottom and make our way up.

What I thought was:

We make bridge over the existing swamp, and make the creek take a new path. Keep in mind that that area is filled with brush, etc, that's hard to clear.

[billop]

Good idea. My idea would take too long anyways. Now, where do we get the wood and how do we cut it up? There are some good cedars near the bottom I hear. Anyone have a chainsaw?

[ATN]

Originally posted by Szymon
Good idea. My idea would take too long anyways. Now, where do we get the wood and how do we cut it up? There are some good cedars near the bottom I hear. Anyone have a chainsaw?

Phantoms do, of course. I know m33p has one and uses it.

[burke_rider]

Originally posted by Szymon
First of all there is no riding challenge. And where's the competition? Just a couple of people with different ideas. If you want a trail with skinny ladders and pro stunts then build one...just not somewhere close to the bottom of the mountain where most of the novice riders are. Someone might get hurt. I've seen some of the stunts you built burke_rider. Loose, thin, toothpick rungs held together with 1 or 2 nails. Flywheel will have long smooth SAFE ladders and if you don't think that's fun then don't ride the trail. Oh and burke_builder2......nah just spell however you want to.

hey simon heres an idea, shut up. ur just dissing our ladder becuase u cant even get UP the first a-frame o and if the wer tooth picks i dont think we it would make it across both stringers so shut up and learn how to ride

[billop]

Yea. I've been riding for about 2 and a half months. I am learning. The first ladder is ok although I don't like how you used unnatural wood. But I went oneday after school and I tried the other ladder you guys built. Thats the one i mean. Take a close look on how you built that one.=/

[Trail Rider 1.0]

jeez, stop whining you two:rolleyes:

anyways, I have no idea if it would be any good (John, you have more experience, maybe you can help?) but i have a whole bunch of pine that just got cut down in my yard today. If it's even any good for building with, all that needs to be done is split the rounds anf get them to the trail. Like I said, maybe pine will rot way too fast, but i really don't know:???:

[m33p]

I'm thinking we want to use cedar from the nearbear forest, don't have to carry it too far and there will be a lot of it. maybe a little hike but that's nothing you guys can't handle right? I have a chainsaw if we need but im partial to using it because noise attracts the people that live on the hill(it's happened before). Organise a day and we'll all set up what we think and what we need to do ont he trail itself. Maybe one day to go look at the swamp, and then just rock the trail before actually starting on the ramps.

[Trail Rider 1.0]

sounds good. i didn't know if there was much cedar around flywheel, but if there is, that'd be great.

[ATN]

Originally posted by m33p
maybe a little hike but that's nothing you guys can't handle right?

I can handle it for sure as long as I don't have my bike.

I have a chainsaw if we need but im partial to using it because noise attracts the people that live on the hill(it's happened before).

I never really thought of that, but it is something to consider. However, a lot of people up Burke ride dirtbikes and use chainsaws for personal use, so if we only used it to cut the giant stuff once, could we perhaps go unnoticed?

Organise a day and we'll all set up what we think and what we need to do ont he trail itself. Maybe one day to go look at the swamp, and then just rock the trail before actually starting on the ramps.

What days are good for you? I'm good to go almost any weekend.

I'm thinking, perhaps we could use my digital camera, take pics of the swamp and photoshop in what we think should be built?

[billop]

I like that idea. How about tommorow we go and take some pics while we ride. We can also photoshop what has to leave to.

[m33p]

Originally posted by Szymon
I like that idea. How about tommorow we go and take some pics while we ride. We can also photoshop what has to leave to.

Sounds good, post the pics up here, i'm available almost every weekend, but not till 12 on saturdays.

[ATN]

I will head up and get those pics today then.

On saturdays I have to be home by around 5 to do my paper route. I have nothing on Sunday.

[billop]

I'm free every weekend unless I'm hurt or there's some sort of special event. I don't go if it rains otherwise I try to mae it up every weekend. So....I'm free this weekend. Maybe we can get started on the Photoshoping today and actually get to working on the trail on Sat. and Sun.

[Pioter]

So... what day are we going? Saturday, Sunday or both?? I'm good for saturday but I'm busy this sunday. I'm curious if i could photoshop the pics to make them realistic...

[m33p]

I'm busy gettin my new bike this saturday, sunday I'm working on Ned's. Next week would be good, sunday would be best.

[burke_rider]

Originally posted by Szymon
Yea. I've been riding for about 2 and a half months.


ive been biking just as long as you

[m33p]

Hmmm I just got a huge zip file of all the pics and looked through them all. Looks like we'll need 15+ trees of cedar and a TON a rocks for rock work. I say the rock work comes first because it's the hardest and most boring. The ramp work can come second because that's the easy part. It looks like we'll most likely need to import some wood onto the trail because I doubt we can find 5 + downed and worthwhile cedars, and I don't think I or anyone else want's to cut down 10 of em.

[ATN]

For that ZIP file, PM or MSN me, as I made it.

[billop]

Looks like we'll be needing the pine after all. Rock work first though.

[m33p]

Originally posted by Szymon
Looks like we'll be needing the pine after all. Rock work first though.
I've used pine, but it doesn't last half as long as cedar and is hard to split, and very uneven in trunks. We HAVE to bring cedar down or find a way to get it there.

[ATN]

m33p, I agree. If we are gonna hump wood in, we should hump in the good stuff. The apoc tree was pine I think, and it snapped very easily.

what you see now on flywheel is what happens when you cut corners.

[billop]

OK. Lets lay out the issues here.
1)We need to get the wood from somewhere.
2)We need to move it all to the trail somehow.
3)We need to figure out where we're gonna build all the ladders and where the rocks will go.

Suggestions??

PS: PM ATN machine for the pics. Or check these.
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=71603
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=71602
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=71590
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=71586

Photoshop in what you think needs to be changed.

[m33p]

I say screw the ramps for now, work on heavya nd hard rock work. Rocks last forever and are the base of the trail. Work our way till then end of the trail and then go work on the ramping part of it. Ramping comes last because its the easier/funner part.

[Pioter]

Rock work it is then. Where could we find some nice flat, big rocks? (I realise it is a forest) Yellow gate mabye? where the creek runs?

[billop]

The creek runs at the yellow gate. And the gate is orange. But still, there are some very good rocks there but we can't move them all by hand. What do we use to move them?

[ATN]

Those 4/5 PB pics aren't special, there's actually 29, but uplaoding to PB takes forever so I gave up. Maybe I'll try again.

[ATN]

Originally posted by Szymon
The creek runs at the yellow gate. And the gate is orange. But still, there are some very good rocks there but we can't move them all by hand. What do we use to move them?

Wheelbarrow or pickup truck.

[ATN]

I've out 6 more pics on PB: just search for ATN:

http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=list&keyselect=2&keyword=ATN&Submit=Search

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

If you look hard enough you can find all of the ingredients for a good trail. I am positive that lower galloway and surrounding area would surrender all of the cedar that you would require. In regards to rock you may have to wheel it in. As for the creek the bridges that you speak of would be great. Water bars would also help as well as the odd drainage ditch. You could keep the rocks for building bermed corners. You would need a saw for 1/2 a day to cut the cedar. Once the cedar was cut all of you could spend the day splitting and carrying it down to the build site. And yes you are right when you say building the trail up is no where near as much fun as building stunts.

[twofortythree]

im busy this weekend
im [planning a triple ride on sat thopugh

[ATN]

PHANTOMS: you guys heading up this weekend? Figured your PM's out yet?

[billop]

I think this weekend we should call up Dion and ask if we can borrow his wheel-barrow. We could get started on rocking some parts in or just making a big big pile infront of the connector. I already have a shovel up there and maybe we can get some more from Dion although he isn't too enthusiastic about fixing Flywheel seeing how he almost never rides it.

While we're working on the rocks for the next several weeks, maybe someone or some people could find us some wood.*COUGH*

[twofortythree]

im really getting tired of ur "funny" jokes

[m33p]

Kid's please stop the bickering. if this is gonna happen when I work with you guy's I'll leave without a word.

[Trail Rider 1.0]

Originally posted by burke_rider
Bukre u fuker what ar eyou going to do about it seriuosly what are you going to do about it. considering how my words are so exausting

hey, you see that link at the bottom of all your posts that says "report this post to a moderator"? You've been reported:)

John: I know eh, I feel so mature for my age that I don't resort to this:rolleyes:

As for the cedar, burkephantoms raised a good point about lower galow, if I remember right, theres a bit thicker forest (hopefully cedar:???: ) down that direction. It'd probably be worth lokking down there for wood.

[burke_rider]

burke_rider please refrain from posting useless information.

Consider this a warning.

Sharon.

[m33p]

Originally posted by burke_rider
szymon why do you wine even thou im lyin i cant stop fly'n higher and higher while i swim in lots of wine like mine of a kine

Were not here to debate each others riding abilities of styles Ok? So enough of this childish play. The bridges will be wide. Why? because it's a beginner trail and I say so. Hope your ready to work and have a fun time.

[twofortythree]

Originally posted by m33p
. Hope your ready to work and have a fun time.

for some reason i dont think so!! :rolleyes:

[couch@nsmb.com]

We are watching you Burke Builer. Step lightly.

[burke_rider]

hold on.. im burke builder and all that stuff was my friend


i made the mistake of giving him my pasword
i swear on my life it wasnt me.:???:

[burke_rider]

there we go..just changed it

sorry it wont happen again

[Pioter]

Isn't it burke rider, not burke builder:???: I'm confused:high: Since dion wont be riding tomorow;) I guess we can use his wheelbarrow. We should go saturday and sunday to collect the rocks, Sounds fun eh?:rolleyes:

[ATN]

Originally posted by couch@nsmb.com
We are watching you Burke Builer. Step lightly.

Burkebuilder is no more. I used to be him.

[couch@nsmb.com]

Here is the deal. Everyone plays nice and the thread will remain. The person responsible for the negative comments has been warned (the real person) and has promised to refrain from being a dink.

[chopcity]

watch the language couch@nsmb :D

[billop]

Hey!! I found a lot of already cut down logs in the woods by my house. Maybe if:thepimp: :thepimp: ask the owner if we can take some the already cut down logs(they're cedar too)we wouldn't have to kill more trees. Good idea simon. I agree.:thepimp: :thepimp:

[ATN]

When were they cut down? is there any rot?

[burke_rider]

Originally posted by Pioter
Isn't it burke rider, not burke builder:???: I'm confused:high: Since dion wont be riding tomorow;) I guess we can use his wheelbarrow. We should go saturday and sunday to collect the rocks, Sounds fun eh?:rolleyes:


ya burke rider thats wat i ment

[ATN]

Sun, March 9th at 9:30 AM

Meet at the harper hairpin. No bikes, just shovels, gloves, and patience. If you can get a pickaxe, it would be awesome. Stunt building will not occur this day, no hammers or saws are needed.

This day will focus on good rockwork and planning for days to come. Any questions, feel free to ask.

[billop]

Where do we get all the rocks? There isn't enough rocks on the trail for all the work we need to do. We're probably going to have to import at least half of the rocks. That's what I think anyways.

[billop]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
When were they cut down? is there any rot?
They're about 2' thick. I think they were cut about 6 months ago. That's not too bad.

[twofortythree]

theres lots of rocks on that trail on the "shortcut" from dions.

[billop]

Most of those rocks are smooth. We need large flat rocks. Where do we get those?

[burke_rider]

just got back from flywheel......its getting better, soon it will be pro(hopfully)

i mite go up on sunday, how long are you staying up ther? all day or wat?

[ATN]

When John's involved, it's an all day affair.

[burke_rider]

i just looked at the weather and its supposed to rain on the weekendso im not sure if i will come up and i also want to fix up the landing for the drop beside acopilyse. and the rock work that has allreadys been done right after the log ride on flywheel is worst than wat it was

[ATN]

Originally posted by burke_rider
i just looked at the weather and its supposed to rain on the weekend

Damnit, but I guess that's what rainjackets are for. I'm also quite good with tarps, but I don't think that would help.

and the rock work that has allreadys been done right after the log ride on flywheel is worst than wat it was

I'm not sure if it was needed. I don't see however how the rocks are worse.

Some people seem to think that tho. Me and pete went up and saw tire tracks to the side of the rocks, so we blocked all of the ride arounds. Everyone can ride over flat rocks.

[Trail Rider 1.0]

hey Alex, how 'bout puttin that info for the work day in your sig or something, I forget when it is and I'm too lazy to go back and find it:P

anyways, i think the problem with people going around the rock work is that for n00bs, the mud is smoother than bumpy rocks, so they go that way. I think If we make the rock work a bit wider, it might help solve that problem, people have less space to go around.

[chopcity]

Myself personally i hate going on the rocks i do though but i think its way better having the rungs in the dirt like at 1 point i think after the log ride but it much easir to put those in and its better :thepimp: :D :D :clap:

[ATN]

Originally posted by Trail Rider 1.0
hey Alex, how 'bout puttin that info for the work day in your sig or something, I forget when it is and I'm too lazy to go back and find it:P

anyways, i think the problem with people going around the rock work is that for n00bs, the mud is smoother than bumpy rocks, so they go that way. I think If we make the rock work a bit wider, it might help solve that problem, people have less space to go around.

It's in the sig now.

The rocks are quite wide after the logride, I can send a pic if ya want. They are at least a foot wide. John has given them the official thumbs up.

The ride arounds were easily blocked.

[burke_rider]

maybee pack em' in a bit more or put some more dirt over them. just do sumtihng to make it flat cuz its really bumby and holes...

[m33p]

Originally posted by BURKE_RIDER$
Myself personally i hate going on the rocks i do though but i think its way better having the rungs in the dirt like at 1 point i think after the log ride but it much easir to put those in and its better :thepimp: :D :D :clap:


Wood rotts when it's alone in the ground, easy for more moisture and dirt to decay it faster, That's a not go. You call yourself a mountain biker and you don't like to ride on rocks eh?

The rock work looks good in the picture I was sent, nice and smooth rocks and nice boarder.

It's the forest guys I'm positive there are hundreds of rocks to be found around there. No need to bring em in from elsewhere or anything.

Lookin forward to Sunday

John G.

[burke_rider]

Originally posted by BURKE_RIDER$
Myself personally i hate going on the rocks i do though but i think its way better having the rungs in the dirt like at 1 point i think after the log ride but it much easir to put those in and its better :thepimp: :D :D :clap:

the rungs in then groun will not last they will get chewed up and rot, move around make holes etc. its bumpier than the rocks

[m33p]

Originally posted by BURKE_RIDER$
actually rocks like nut sacks to me but if u wanna put them in whatever..... Burker rider said a guy was hot in whislter he must be gay lol
Listen to me, ROCK ARE GOD! They don't wear and will last forever. Rocks are the best thing to hit mtb'ing. Wood needs to be elevated to have any affect and were not just gonna build ramps down the trail.

[ATN]

Rocks started the shore. Digger and his friends were riding and they found a big rock and Digger said "ride up the rock and ride down" and that was the beginning of the shore.

[Pioter]

If we wouldn't rock it in, we would be riding in mud. A bridge for a little section like that right after the log is pointless. All day rock work might be fun... so, who's going on Sunday??

[burke_rider]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
Rocks started the shore. Digger and his friends were riding and they found a big rock and Digger said "ride up the rock and ride down" and that was the beginning of the shore.



im not dissing u or ne thing but no one really cares about riding up and down a rock. sounds pretty hard. im not one ne ones side but i dont think we will be putting a 20ft rock in the middle of the trail(just a bit heavy) to ride up and down, i think the small ones that we can put in the ground will do fine.

[billop]

Originally posted by BURKE_RIDER$
actually rocks like nut sacks to me but if u wanna put them in whatever..... Burker rider said a guy was hot in whislter he must be gay lol
Nut sacks and gay in the same post. I know what you got on the brain....:lol:

As for the rocks, I guess we could use whatever we find. Although flat rocks are usually the best to use according to NSMBA. Sunday. I'll be there. Alex: Where is my shovel:???: ? Did you guys move it or is it still in the same spot you put it in last time.

[ATN]

Originally posted by burke_rider
im not dissing u or ne thing but no one really cares about riding up and down a rock. sounds pretty hard. im not one ne ones side but i dont think we will be putting a 20ft rock in the middle of the trail(just a bit heavy) to ride up and down, i think the small ones that we can put in the ground will do fine.

I know we ain't talking about 20 ft rocks, but the moral of the story is all rocks are good when moved to the right location.

and it isn't you that I/we are trying to convince.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

Good for you ATN, I think that your point was missed(Big rock) by a few people. You have the right idea by just making sure that you get up there to work. Most things can be firgured out on the trail. That's how you become a good builder. Flat rocks are only needed to flatten out the riding surface. Many of the flat rocks that we found were actually splinters off of much bigger rocks. I look forward to checking out your progress.

[ATN]

I went up to Abyss for the first time in 2 weeks, saw some new work. Here's a question, just b4 the exit onto Ryans there is a new line going down to the right (white arrow on tree). Are guys extending down that way?

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

You betcha, all the way back across as far as we can to lower dump

[ATN]

This wasn't on the upper dump side of Ryan's. Are you going to cross Ryan's a bit farther down?

Or perhaps redo the upper part of upper dump so that it's in the coniferous forest that Ryan's is in? And line it up with abyss?

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

Our plan is to cross back across toward dump and the parking lot after the last step down stunt on the abyss. We may also cross Ryan's out to the road and then work through the forest to galloway

[ATN]

is the trail going to stay west or east of Ryans?

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

Potentially it will go both ways with an option for galloway or to the west towards the climb/ dump etc.

[ATN]

That's cool. If it went to the west and connected to dump halfway through it would be sweet. Still, that's a lot of work, and there's a house you have to avoid.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

House?? Where is the house on the mountain, is it above the gate? I will inform my fellow cohorts of this. I am sure that they scoped the line already.

[ATN]

Notice conifer street as you go up Harper? There's gotta be something down there. Technically it's below the gate, it's to the side of dump.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

That's what I thought you were talking about, I was confused though as I made no reference to going that way. The trail will stay above the gate for the most part with a goal of eliminating most of the climb back up to upper dump. We did think of going across the road down to the conifer street area. That will take some advance scouting though.

[ATN]

Sounds good, the climb to dump isn't that bad though.

[BURKE PHANTOMS]

It's all about berms and tables though (Lots of work)

[ATN]

Sounds awesome. You guys working Saturday? I can come up and help.

[chopcity]

On flywheel you should put dirt or something ovber the root that curve sideways people always lose contol on those and crash and i always slow down towards them an dit slows me down when i ride:)

[ATN]

Root sections are definately a place we'd like to fix to gain some flow. I can think of two that need work.

[burke_rider]

lets make a trail like a-line

jump jump jump jump back flip jump jump jump front flip jump jump jump

[ATN]

That requires a lot of dirt and a lot of time.

[pete@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by BURKE_RIDER$
Burke_rider+ JUMP JUMP JUMP HAVE GAY HOMO SEX JUMP JUMP JUMP RAPES MEN JUMP JUMP JUMP DEATH

BURKE_RIDER LIKES MEN :lol:

:banned:

[burke_rider]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
That requires a lot of dirt and a lot of time.


ya

[ATN]

Originally posted by Pete@nsmb.com
:banned:

For real? That's gotta be a record of least posts b4 a ban.

[twofortythree]

Originally posted by burke_rider
lets make a trail like a-line

jump jump jump jump back flip jump jump jump front flip jump jump jump( chrash-BURKE RIDER$)

have u even ridden a line........there is so much dirt andf the jumps r sooooo big...we would need a tracter to build another a-line.

[burke_rider]

k maybee not exactly like A-line but a trail thats got some jumpsnot wide just good ol' jumps

[ATN]

Originally posted by burke_rider
k maybee not exactly like A-line but a trail thats got some jumpsnot wide just good ol' jumps

Only way to do that is get out a shovel and start digging.

[burke_rider]

ill start if ppl help cuz im not diggin' for the rest of my life. the more ppl the less time. wood the power lines agood spot to build em or wood bc hydro take em' down?

[billop]

Yea that would be fun but it would have to be high up. Don't want anyone new to mountain biking having a bad experience with a trail too hard for them. Still, there's always S2 close by.

[ATN]

Wait a sec man, are you wanting a jump park, or a trail?

If you want a trail, tables on flywheel will be well recieved by everyone here.

if you want a park, be nice to Evan and he will let you dig S2.

[burke_rider]

thers not much room at s2 and wher wood we put em' on fly wheel, thers not many straights and room for landing but if ther was a way we could get them in...beaut!

[ATN]

We may not be able to get 2 tables in sequence (right after one another) but if there's berms and flow, you won't notice the gaps in between them.

[burke_rider]

but wat im saying is thers no room on flywheel to put them

[ATN]

I think you could fit them in if you were creative.

Obviously if you want to have one long straight stretch of jumps it wont work but there are plenty of places that are suitable for one.

Some branches may need to be trimmed, tho. What do you guys think?

[burke_rider]

i say: "its a plan"

ill dig

[m33p]

Theres no way your building tables on flywheel, First I doubt you guys will buidl solid ones and second, they will be tiny and pointless roll overs. Better to keep the flow and just fix whats needed before we go and build tables and other stuff. Fix the original line then work on extra's is always how it goes.

[Pioter]

Why would we have tables on flywheel in the first place? And there probably won't be any jumps on Flywheel since it winds around alot.

[billop]

No tables. We're diverting from the plan here. The plan was to make Flywheel a strong flowy trail, wasn't? Table are too much work.

[ATN]

No tables now, for sure. Berms & flow first, then the trail will dictate what it needs next.

*edit* or I will dictate that I'm too tired! *edit*

[ATN]

I was just reading this:

http://tricitynews.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=74&cat=23&id=46553

The longest portion of the plan is 8.5 to 10 km of trail within Pinecone Lake-Burke Mountain park, which, to a degree, would formalize trails already travelled in the undeveloped provincial park.

Does this mean we'd be soon hiking something like the PoCo trail to get to the trailheads? The route would probably be along the south perimeter trail (to upper dump before you turn to your right), down to the first trail, and then to the Coq River Connector (bike trail).

Or would the route be up to Munro Lake and down the ski area access road (road we take to triple)?

If you need the current map, http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/explore/parkpgs/pinecone/park_map.htm

[Pioter]

A hyde creek trail has pros and cons. pro: easier to hike up. con: more traffic then cuz of easy climbs. and more things...

[ATN]

Originally posted by Pioter
A hyde creek trail has pros and cons. pro: easier to hike up. con: more traffic then cuz of easy climbs. and more things...

The worst part of all: city workers beyond the gate. (On city business, which isn't good)

[burke_rider]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
No tables now, for sure. Berms & flow first

ill put my diggin skills into the berms and root covering

[ATN]

Originally posted by burke_rider
ill put my diggin skills into the berms and root covering

Yup. Come out on sunday.

You dig hole. Rocks go into rockwork, dirt goes into berm.

(or convenient pile for later use)

[billop]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
The worst part of all: city workers beyond the gate. (On city business, which isn't good)
Lets look at the silver lining. How bad can it be? Maybe they'll even open the gate for good? I sincerely doubt that but we can hope. Also that could open up a lot of potential trail heads.

They're taking away the rocks which could make for an easier climb. I know i didn't like the rocks that much anyway.

The hikers will be taking different trails and won't keep ripping down our stunts....I think.

Maybe this wont be too bad.:) :( :o :D ;) :P :cool: :rolleyes: :mad: :eek: :???: :thepimp:

[Pioter]

If the gates will be permamently open, I'm up for it. I could get a ride to the top then:D I just hope that there wont be too much traffic then.

[ATN]

If the gates are open people will run over the hikers. Honestly, why would they ever do that?

[couch@nsmb.com]

THere is serious talk of building a couple of parking lots beyond the gate and paving the road. It may happen sooner than later.

[ATN]

Originally posted by couch@nsmb.com
THere is serious talk of building a couple of parking lots beyond the gate and paving the road. It may happen sooner than later.

But they will build a hiking trail to the side?

I can think of springboard biking trail in belcarra, it was built just beside the road. Pure XC though.

Will they build a road all the way up, or just put a new gate in a bit higher up, like at the second left (turn for triple, straight to dump)?

[Pioter]

Running over hikers sounds fun:D I just hope the gate will be open and the road will be in the same condition as it is right now so it wont accumulate traffic unless you have a 4x4 or something like that. IMO, pavement would be stupid cuz it would crack in the winters.

[burke_rider]

i just came back from LOWER galloway and i was wondering why it was closed. the only reason i could see was a few trees fallen over wich can easily be cut down and put ladders over them. was there ever any built stuff on lower galloway? i think we should fix this tral up a bit put some ladders in, and if its closed no one will be going in ther to see what were doing

there was also some other bike tracks i noticed.

[billop]

LOWER galloway is on private property and is closed for a reason.

[burke_rider]

wats the reason?

[ATN]

Originally posted by burke_rider
wats the reason?

The triple crown run is the backbone of Burke, it seems like everybody rides it. Back when Lower Dump was part of that run, tons of people would be coming out on Galloway street. A lot of people would park on galloway street, then ride up to the gate. Like on Fromme & Seymour currently, there can be some bikers who when it comes to loading/unloading from a truck, really project a bad image. Pissing on lawns, trash talk, blocking cars, etc. Galloway street may have had some of that going on, so by closing lower galloway, most people park at the gate and either abort onto Nectar Connectar after Upper Dump, or ride Flywheel.

And there's even more reasons for it to close if the trail goes through somebody's backyard.

[Adamski]

Hey,

I just started riding on Burke last year and I'd like to put some work back into the trails, but have never done it before. Let me know if I could be of any help to you guys on Sunday.

Thanks

[ATN]

If you can dig holes and find rocks, or mvoe rocks in buckets, it would be awesome.

[Adamski]

I'm no rocket scientist but I can dig and lift,

would be glad to help

[Adamski]

You guys care about the weather?

[ATN]

Alright then, hopefully we'll see you at the hairpin (entrance to Nectar Connector)

[ATN]

Originally posted by Adamski
You guys care about the weather?

Nope.

[m33p]

I'll be there at 8am tomorrow, hope to see someone show up:)

[Trail Rider 1.0]

Alex and I should be up there around 9:30-ish, I can't get a ride up there much earlier.

[Pioter]

Szymon and I could be up there at around 9.

[burke_rider]

i might go up:japan: :rocker: forever

[burke_rider]

i did the acroplyse

[m33p]

Due to recent amounts of snow I am out.

[Pioter]

Because of the snow are we still going? I heard that its supposed to snow through the entire night. Please tell me if we're still going.

[ATN]

The rain seems to have melted all the snow by now.

[burke_rider]

haha your matanence day failed, but what you did do is worse that what is was

[Adamski]

sorry, for a no show but the weather really sucked last night and when I got up today at 8:00 am it was pissing rain

[billop]

That's OK. I can understand why anyone wouldn't want to come out in the pooring rain. Maybe next week? Same time same place? Post ## 400!..for this thread.

[Pioter]

:woot:401:rolleyes:

Next week sounds good, lets try to get rocks this time... And mabye John could come?

[burke_rider]

:rocker: 402:announce:

[free ryder]

the bright coulour tape can be bought a any hardwear store for like 3.00

[burke_rider]

^ :clap: wow :clap: ^

[ATN]

Originally posted by burke_rider
^ :clap: wow :clap: ^

He was answering a question that was asked in the thread, around the 100-200 post mark I believe.

[KamaKazi]

does anyone know if there is a bike advocacy group for the coquitlam area that is involved with burke mountain? if there is one i can get the company i work for to come out and do a bunch of trail mainenace during the week. like 5-15 guys for 4-8 hours.

[twofortythree]

sweet deal man....i might work on the break

[SPOKE]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
If the gates are open people will run over the hikers. Honestly, why would they ever do that?


I'm not to sure about that, Burke Mountain past the yellow gate
(gun club) from what our city planners have said is strickly park land and that is the way it will stay. And isn't all that land part of the Burke Pinecone reserve?

[ATN]

Originally posted by SPOKE
I'm not to sure about that, Burke Mountain past the yellow gate
(gun club) from what our city planners have said is strickly park land and that is the way it will stay. And isn't all that land part of the Burke Pinecone reserve?

That's why I couldn't really believe it.

IMO, the don't ask-don't tell thing works best with the governing authorities, Burke's fine as it is.

[Pioter]

I'm curious why the gate is closed. There's gotta be a better reason than "not to run over people".

[SPOKE]

I really can't see the mountain past the gun club changing any time soon. If you have cabin up there you can even sell you can only pass it down throught your family, other wise it reverts back to the goverment as crown land or park land. I was talking with my boss and and some of the planning crew it shouldn't. Plus they have a hard enough time keeping people from dumping
stolen autos up there, moving the gate further up and putting in parking lots would make it worse.

[125]

this thread is dead, it use to get 1 new page a day now it gets 1 post a day

[125]

btw whats up conifer? i always see people driving up it

[ATN]

Originally posted by 125
btw whats up conifer? i always see people driving up it

I'd imagine it is just a house or two, but one day we were up there (me dion tyler, and paul rode by) and the cops and a coquitlam towing truck were up there.

It's not my choice of location for houses, gravel road... gun club... but it would be kinda sick for riding.

[125]

maybe people ditch stolen cars up there

[ATN]

Originally posted by SPOKE
I really can't see the mountain past the gun club changing any time soon. If you have cabin up there you can even sell you can only pass it down throught your family, other wise it reverts back to the goverment as crown land or park land. I was talking with my boss and and some of the planning crew it shouldn't. Plus they have a hard enough time keeping people from dumping
stolen autos up there, moving the gate further up and putting in parking lots would make it worse.

So we can't buy a cabin???? If we (mtb community) could have raised the money it would have been pimping to be able to climb up, have a sleep, etc...

I agree with the not changing, Pinecone Burke Provincial park is hella overlooked, notice how there isnt a sign on Coast saying "turn here for PBPP", there's just the gun club sign....

In order to turn that place into a decent PP, they'd have to build new hiking trails, or at least close everythign but the ski area access road (second left) to any motorized traffic.

[ATN]

Originally posted by 125
maybe people ditch stolen cars up there

On conifer? Most likely, altho I dont think it was built for that.

They burned one on harper right before flywheel.... and the red car down the cliff on the way to TC prob is stolen.

[125]

we should go up to the cabins one day, and just look around. isn't there a ski hill up therE? that would be sweet to ride down

[ATN]

Originally posted by 125
we should go up to the cabins one day, and just look around. isn't there a ski hill up therE? that would be sweet to ride down

Yeah, we will head up there someday. Every day we say we will check them out, but by the time we get to TC we are too tired :rolleyes:

Ski hill will be overgrown with that brush hat's 4-5 feet high, brownish in color. That's what's happened to sides of the road/paths and under the powerlines. When I look out of my windows I see giant brown batches up the mtn, and it's not bare like I hoped: it's brush.

[125]

oh well then we can go to munro lake see whats up there

[ATN]

Originally posted by 125
oh well then we can go to munro lake see whats up there

yup that's another thing on my list.

[twofortythree]

Originally posted by 125
maybe people ditch stolen cars up there

they sure do hence all the burnt tires and charred marks

[twofortythree]

Originally posted by 125
we should go up to the cabins one day, and just look around. isn't there a ski hill up therE? that would be sweet to ride down

my friend has a cabin up there...they snowmobile and snowboard when theres enough snpow

[ATN]

Originally posted by burke_builder2
they sure do hence all the burnt tires and charred marks

we've never checked up conifer. stolen cars would explain the tow trucks and cop cars.

[ATN]

Originally posted by burke_builder2
my friend has a cabin up there...they snowmobile and snowboard when theres enough snpow

but there isn't the formal hill like in the 1950's? obviously you can ride/board along the roads tho.

[twofortythree]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
but there isn't the formal hill like in the 1950's? obviously you can ride/board along the roads tho.

nope the ski hill....

[ATN]

Originally posted by burke_builder2
nope the ski hill....

awesome then....


it's just hard to get back up.

[125]

maybe we could make a dh/ds trail down the ski hill

[125]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
awesome then....


it's just hard to get back up. theres probably a trails at the bottom of the ski hill that connects up with the main hiking trails system around there

[twofortythree]

we should start something with the city...they open up some kind of lift or toe up the ski hill and we will build the trails down and plus they get $ back from lift tickets wich would help run the cabins a maintenece.

[ATN]

Originally posted by 125
theres probably a trails at the bottom of the ski hill that connects up with the main hiking trails system around there

What side of the mtn is the ski hill on?

[ATN]

Originally posted by burke_builder2
we should start something with the city...they open up some kind of lift or toe up the ski hill and we will build the trails down and plus they get $ back from lift tickets wich would help run the cabins a maintenece.

city has no say. the province owns the land, and big companies have the money.

[125]

Originally posted by The ATN Machine
What side of the mtn is the ski hill on? umm it would be on the north east or east side i guess, facing the pitt river but i'm not sure

[twofortythree]

lol
worth a shot

[125]

Originally posted by burke_builder2
we should start something with the city...they open up some kind of lift or toe up the ski hill and we will build the trails down and plus they get $ back from lift tickets wich would help run the cabins a maintenece. since its a provincal park i don't think they are allowed to add or build anything new up there. so no ski lift:(

[125]

maybe theres a little path that connects it to quarry rd.

[125]

yah i have a map of it and it says theres a trail that goes from quarry straight to munro lake but it looks like theres a cliff or a really really steep hill in the way

[rOOfToP]

holy shit 30 pages? ON TRAILS?!? is that some kinda record?

[sdubfid]

the ski hill is short and overgrown, there used to be houses on conifer but 1 got burned down and thats where the cell phone tower is that u can see from poco. conifer is basically where people smoke/dump garbage, the gates are there due to vandalism, and auto dumping etc. the ski hill is on the southwest side kinda, and there was a trail from quarry rod to one of the lakes i never done it before, but very steep i hear.

QUOTE:
Originally posted by burke_builder2
we should start something with the city...they open up some kind of lift or toe up the ski hill and we will build the trails down and plus they get $ back from lift tickets wich would help run the cabins a maintenece.
there is no way a ski lift would go in

[rOOfToP]

lots of bicycle riders in the tricities its amazing

[twofortythree]

lol

[billop]

Originally posted by 125
since its a provincal park i don't think they are allowed to add or build anything new up there. so no ski lift:(
If they're not allowed to add anything there, then how come the putting a lot of money into making new trails and connecting lots of old ones? How much does a lift cost anyways?

[Pioter]

They're actually making and connecting trails on burke?? I thought that bikers did all the work...

[LostBoyScout]

Damn, I haven't gone on here in a while and missed about 15 pages.

[LostBoyScout]

cool

i bought my brakes... went with HFX-Mag's.. and got a Tioga XL saddle.. rocks

now just need my wheels :(

[twofortythree]

who sio gonna come up tomor wich is mon to do some rocking wit me and alex....

[twofortythree]

whered burke phantoms been???

[125]

have u guys done any recent work on flywheel? and by recent i mean in the last week

[twofortythree]

m33p was up there on the weekend i believe......not sure if he was on flywheel though

[125]

someones building secret stuff on burke:eek:

[twofortythree]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[burke_rider]

its not a big deal


does ne one no when last run will be finished?

[twofortythree]

finished??????? its been rideable forever i believe

[125]

last run is like over 1 year old i believe its already finished

[twofortythree]

isnt last run muddy...is there ne stunts on it???

[burke_rider]

ther fixing it up.... they made a 6-7ft drop on it and ther building a log ride to drop, a table top, a gap on to a ladder and and nother gap jump

[twofortythree]

we should burm up the corners and make some really flowy jumps

[twofortythree]

Originally posted by burke_rider
ther fixing it up.... they made a 6-7ft drop on it and ther building a log ride to drop, a table top, a gap on to a ladder and and nother gap jump


so thats where _ _ _ _ is building

[burke_rider]

thers one line...if u do everything

it goes 6-7ft drop into table into the gap to ladder into the gap

[burke_rider]

Originally posted by burke_builder2
so thats where _ _ _ _ is building


???????

wat does this mean?

[twofortythree]

the builder im not gonna name him...do u know if that trail is muddy??

[twofortythree]

i think ill go up[ there tomor

[twofortythree]

is there a tranny on the drop??:banana: =/

[burke_rider]

the trail isnt muddy and i dont think it can be but thers this gay spot wher u need to cross a creek and go up a hill....when i rode it in the snow everything was white and after all the stuff i thot i was on the trail but i wasnt then i was lost but then i found the trail

[burke_rider]

on the drop they made a mistake by insted of using rocks the used logs so the dirt washed out and thers like a hole
i dont no if has been fixed in the last 2 weeks

[LostBoyScout]

nothin wrong with using logs.. they just need to be made really well and maintained is all

berms on flywheel is a good plan... it's potentially a very flowy trail.. well the top half anyway.

[Action Hero]

PoCo PoCo

[Action Hero]

Originally posted by burke_rider
ther fixing it up.... they made a 6-7ft drop on it and ther building a log ride to drop, a table top, a gap on to a ladder and and nother gap jump

Last run? We built that.

[125]

i'm doing that drop on last run next time i go up there:)

[twofortythree]

im gonna try ti go up today...is there snow on it?

[burke_rider]

Originally posted by tweek
Last run? We built that.


did u put everything in it like the drops and stuff?

[twofortythree]

is there snow on it???

[burke_rider]

i havnt been up ther in 2 weeks so im not sure, probably not tho

[Action Hero]

Originally posted by burke_rider
did u put everything in it like the drops and stuff?

The 6 fter? that sayes WTA on it?

Everything is that little section there was done by us... the gap jump....the drop....the gap to ladder bridge Ian and Bouch stopped making because they are lame.

[twofortythree]

i will help out if u start up agian,

[125]

i'll help too

[twofortythree]

yes:D

[twofortythree]

Originally posted by tweek
The 6 fter? that sayes WTA on it?

Everything is that little section there was done by us... the gap jump....the drop....the gap to ladder bridge Ian and Bouch stopped making because they are lame.


ne one hit it???

[125]

lots of people have done it, its been around for a while

[twofortythree]

ic

[burke_rider]

ill help

[twofortythree]

i rode it today...did wta drop...theres definetly petential in there

[125]

petential? potential? next time i go i'm doing the drop

[twofortythree]

yah i wanna finish the things thing started and some new stuff...fix the table top and smoothen out some lines

[Trail Rider 1.0]

i would check with the WTA before you do anything on Last Run:)

[twofortythree]

i talked to ian who built the wta drop wit bouch

[twofortythree]

they have stoped building on there a while ago ne ways

[m33p]

Originally posted by Trail Rider 1.0
i would check with the WTA before you do anything on Last Run:)

WTA can eat shit, they don't own last run. Did they even ask who built it?

[m33p]

Sunday 9AM meet at switchback to walk into flywheel. See anyone who's willing to work.

[Action Hero]

Originally posted by m33p
WTA can eat shit

Why are you being such a ********** latly John?

[twofortythree]

me and alex r comin up

[twofortythree]

r we just gonna do rocking???

[twofortythree]

tis a good thjing....on a sunny day we can fix the shitey latters near the mudhole

[125]

Originally posted by burke_builder2
i talked to ian who built the wta drop wit bouch omg omg omg omg omg you talked to ian your so special tyler

[125]

9 am :damn: thats early, i might be able to come a little later, like around 11-12

[twofortythree]

i just noticed that theres no post count now...

[twofortythree]

today we did a bit of rocking and finished the jump on jump off stunt

[m33p]

Originally posted by 125
9 am :damn: thats early, i might be able to come a little later, like around 11-12

I'd be there at 8 am sharp but I know you guys need your beauty sleep.

[m33p]

Originally posted by tweek
Why are you being such a ********** latly John?

Sick of fixing peoples PIECE OF SHIT work.

I'm guessing the work you did was useless and there's still mudholes in places on flywheel?

Remember that first trail the WTA made just past the switch back? You know that drop beside the trail, Apocalypse....

...Why is it still standing?

[m33p]

Originally posted by m33p
Sick of fixing peoples PIECE OF SHIT work.

I'm guessing the work you did was useless and there's still mudholes in places on Last Run?

Remember that first trail the WTA made just past the switch back? You know that drop beside the trail, Apocalypse....

...Why is it still standing?

[burke_rider]

ya the work atn ad the others did on flywheel sucks but i dont see why apocilyspe shouldnt be standing i think its in good condition.

[m33p]

Originally posted by burke_rider
ya the work atn ad the others did on flywheel sucks but i dont see why apocilyspe shouldnt be standing i think its in good condition.

I missed up my trails, I haven't seen the work on flywheel but it probley isnt as bad as last run, Ima go up early tomorrow and take a look at LR.

[burke_rider]

thers nothing wrong with last run except for the creek crossing

[LostBoyScout]

I'll be shovelling all day tomorrow...

...on our gardens :swearing:

But once the house is ready to sell, I'll be up there plenty.