What happened to Neds?

[Keyboard Hero]

Rode it last night since the trail work. Many of my favourite drops have been eliminated in favour of easy rolling.

Any comments on Neds after the trail work?

[NooNer]

avoid it, its played out, totally bagged, and theres about a billion other trails to ride.

[xy9ine]

seems to be the trend with all high-volume trails. i don't doubt that the rockwork / armouring is required to stand up to the traffic, but its too bad that tech sections are constantly getting buffed / widened, etc. as much as i like flow, i also miss some of the old-school knarl and jinky lines.

[Oldfart]

seems to be the trend with all high-volume trails. i don't doubt that the rockwork / armouring is required to stand up to the traffic, but its too bad that tech sections are constantly getting buffed / widened, etc. as much as i like flow, i also miss some of the old-school knarl and jinky lines.

Funny you say that. I remember riding it when it was a loamy singletrack devoid of the artificial stunts. I consider that old school. If by gnarl and jinky you mean deep rocky ruts and big erroded drops, I consider that worn out and in need of TLC. I may try out Neds again.

Not that I have any problem with them that likes stunts and big drops. More power to ya, I just don't care for that myself.

[CraigH]

Start at the middle of the page, and then read all of the follow up.

http://bb.nsmb.com/showthread.php?t=56947&page=4&pp=15

[peachy-B]

oh great! i'll be famous. :rolleyes:

[biking_cam]

did they take away the drop near the end ( the 4 or 5 footer naxt to a jump and rolller)?

[CraigH]

Work was done only up to the first bridge.

[Dantes Inferno]

i like trails that are more flowy, sounds like im going to like neds better now.

[jonny.zee]

did they take away the drop near the end ( the 4 or 5 footer naxt to a jump and rolller)?

Nope.

[Sharon]

To check out some trail day pics:

http://www.nsmba.bc.ca/traildaypics/nedstdapril05/nedstdapril05.htm

[Smoke]

Awwwwww, no more dorps to falt. How can I go on?

[Incorrigible]

That looks like amazing work. Super techy stuff is found all over so this looks like it was definitely needed for it to survive. Good work everyone.

[Neo]

Awwwwww, no more dorps to falt. How can I go on?

lol. i was acutally thinking that!

ps: looks like nice work was done on that trail. since Neds is a trail intended for everyone to be able to ride, i think the upgrade was a good thing. I'm sure there are still some challenging lines anyways.

[Dantes Inferno]

im stoked for some flow.

[Stuminator]

Sounds like more steps have been taken to take the shore out of north shore. Erosion & drainage aside, why not just pave the whole thing.

[spookymilk]

Sounds like more steps have been taken to take the shore out of north shore. Erosion & drainage aside, why not just pave the whole thing.

what would you rather have? a smoother trail or one that people against mountain biking can complain about saying biking causes erosion?

[Dantes Inferno]

what would you rather have? a smoother trail or one that people against mountain biking can complain about saying biking causes erosion?

:cuffs: i agree 100% :rocker:

[Putty]

take the shore out of the shore? i think n***o did that a while ago.

face it, when a trail is being hit by 100's of riders on a daily basis its gonna change. unfortunately when you are talking about trails you cannot take erosion and drianage out of the discussion. it would be like taking the blood out of surgery.

the glory days of the shore are gone, and if you weren't there, you weren't there.


Sounds like more steps have been taken to take the shore out of north shore. Erosion & drainage aside, why not just pave the whole thing.

[Uncle Duke]

Sounds like more steps have been taken to take the shore out of north shore. Erosion & drainage aside, why not just pave the whole thing.



booooooohissssssss.


great picts . awesome work.

[Sharon]

Sounds like more steps have been taken to take the shore out of north shore. Erosion & drainage aside, why not just pave the whole thing.

Have long have you been riding the shore?

[TheGiggler]

this is the cool thing about actually working on trails vs. just talking about it.

those of us who work on them get to decide what happens.

gee, what a rough life. the people who work on trails don't cater to the whims of the people who are simply part of the problem.

[NooNer]

this is the cool thing about actually working on trails vs. just talking about it.

those of us who work on them get to decide what happens.

gee, what a rough life. the people who work on trails don't cater to the whims of the people who are simply part of the problem.

out of curioosity, theres always so much fingerpointing, well you didnt help so shut the fuck up no one cares blah blah blah. ill be totally honest, i do near nothing other than drain puddles in the rain and pile some rocks when i can, but most of my efforts are directed to squamish ... am i still a part of the problem? does my effort elsewhere count or am i a total leech on the NS scene?

[Jon-boy]

I rode Ned's last night and still enjoyed it. Ultimately it's still a super fun trail that better than most other mountain bikers in the world have to play on. Remember how spoilt we are.....
Next time I ride it I'll be better prepared for the new jumps that it's possible to double up on. Can't wait.

[Universe]

Have long have you been riding the shore?

Probably about as much as his post count :)

[Sunday Rider]

I rode Neds this week after the trail work. While the infills don't necessarily enhance the trail for me; I can appreciate the work that's been done was totally necessary to keep the trail accessible to riders of all levels. And I was still grinning at the end of the run as per usual.

[brentomatic]

^^^ Well said ^^^

[Bryce]

I like how Ned's is fast and rough - its different from most other shore trails and its fun to hit it once in a while. The new rockwork looks good and I'm sure there are still plenty of rough parts if thats what you're after. Props to all the volunteers

[LeeLau]

Rode it last night since the trail work. Many of my favourite drops have been eliminated in favour of easy rolling.

Any comments on Neds after the trail work?

How nice to have you take the trouble to spill some of your thoughts out on the internet instead of taking the time to get your ass out there to work on "your favorite drops". Your nick is appropriate Keyboard zero

[LeeLau]

Sounds like more steps have been taken to take the shore out of north shore. Erosion & drainage aside, why not just pave the whole thing.

Anxiously awaiting more deep thoughts from you stuminator. When we do bring out the paving crew Im sure you'll be there to lend a hand; or bitch about it on the internet - whatever works for you.

[LeeLau]

out of curioosity, theres always so much fingerpointing, well you didnt help so shut the fuck up no one cares blah blah blah. ill be totally honest, i do near nothing other than drain puddles in the rain and pile some rocks when i can, but most of my efforts are directed to squamish ... am i still a part of the problem? does my effort elsewhere count or am i a total leech on the NS scene?

buddy = you do more then most. Don't worry about it. btw - squamish rocks!

[synchro]

Rode it last night since the trail work. Many of my favourite drops have been eliminated in favour of easy rolling.

Any comments on Neds after the trail work?

Sounds like more steps have been taken to take the shore out of north shore. Erosion & drainage aside, why not just pave the whole thing.


ok, i'm tired of being nice to you assclowns that are a waste of skin and take up valuable oxygen on this planet. people that bitch and don't help out can just lick the sweat from my balls after a hard day of trail work. if you two had half a brain (combined) you might realize that the drops are still there and that some bigger ones have even been put in. you can now ride ned's faster and get more distance off the drops than you did before. if you can't figure that out you should get off the bike and take up extreme knitting.

ps - from everybody that works hard to keep mtb alive on the shore, you're welcome

[Keefer]

ps - from everybody that works hard to mtb alive on the shore, you're welcome

No shit eh! It's not as if a secret group of trail workers went up in the middle of the night and did this. It was well publicized, and if you wanted to get your say and your opinion built into the trail, you could have easily shown up and done just that.

[Universe]

Atta boy Mark.

[DaveM]

ok, i'm tired of being nice to you assclowns that are a waste of skin and take up valuable oxygen on this planet. people that bitch and don't help out can just lick the sweat from my balls after a hard day of trail work.

Ahh, Mark, when you've absolutely had it with the idiots/politics/traffic/rules there's a whole other mountain waiting for you....with none of the above

I haven't ridden the re-furbished Ned's yet since my knee's all messed up, but I'm sure it's great. Maybe now my wife can join me and enjoy it too. After all, it's supposed to be a "beginner" North Shore trail.

For all the losers that say they liked it they way it used to be. If you would have sacrificed 1 out of every 10 times you rode Ned's and donated your time to maintaining it, maybe it wouldn't have become so eroded, requiring these kind people to donate their free time, money, and skills to repair. A simple thanks will do, if you don't like the trail anymore, move along, it means one less rider for them to fix up after.

[biking_cam]

im going to ride it today.. i can;t wait to see what's changed

[Battlecat]

i like what they have done. I road it on friday. You can double the drops up now. there is a tranny. its awesome

[Rat]

bingo we have a winner

anyone who says neds is too rough isnt going fast enough

[Putty]

anyone that says ned's is paved is a troll or a moron.

or both.

[TheGiggler]

bingo we have a winner

anyone who says neds is too rough isnt going fast enough


guess what, we don't all ride 8" DH sleds. ride a smaller dually or HT and say that with a straight face ;)

[bunny]

bingo we have a winner

anyone who says neds is too rough isnt going fast enough

i thought it was the other way around... anyone who thinks it IS rough isn't going fast enough. :P faster = smoother on that trail.. which is the goal. :)

[KenN]

Sounds like more steps have been taken to take the shore out of north shore. Erosion & drainage aside, why not just pave the whole thing.

Interesting comment, devoid of any understanding of 'the shore' and it's history.

Back before people ever though of shuttling (god forbid one should actually descend a trail without earning it with a climb!), Ned's was a nice, XC climb up the mountain. It was great for providing access to some gnarly trails like Superman, Lois Lane, Hangman. Trails that don't exist any more.

As 'shore' riding became more popular, Ned's became more of a descending trail, but still quite rideable on an XC rig by anyone with the skills. Hell that's all there was back then. Big travel, dual suspension rigs didn't exist, other than as prototypes on the DH scene. Most DH racers were on hardtails and didn't specialize in DH, they raced XC too.

Well, now shore riding is cool, and everyone can go out and by a 6" plus duallie and bash their way down Ned's, with no concept of how much damage they do when they lock the back brake and drag half the hill down with their rear wheel. Anyone can do that, it takes true skill to run down Ned's without even once locking up the rear wheel. If everyone had that skill, the trail wouldn't need to be paved. The fine braking control required for that kind of clean run is way tougher to learn than some silly 6-foot dorp to falt - shit, that just takes gravity!

I ride Ned's maybe once a year now, just to see how much it's changed. There are so many trails that are way more fun, require more skill, and they aren't crowded with a bunch of shuttlers who have an inflated sense of their riding skill set.

Um, before anyone gets TOO offended, this isn't a blanket criticism of shuttling in general (hell, I shuttled Cypress yesterday), just a rant about people who are part of the problem, lend no help in solving the problem, and complain about the solutions that have to be implemented because of their own carelessness

Kn.

[TheGiggler]

Ken, while I agree with ya, don't underestimate the erosional power of water. we get so much rain on the shore that erosion from water is probably as big an impact as the skidders.

[axisofevelknievel]

Back before people ever though of shuttling (god forbid one should actually descend a trail without earning it with a climb!), Ned's was a nice, XC climb up the mountain. It was great for providing access to some gnarly trails like Superman, Lois Lane, Hangman. Trails that don't exist any more.

Why don't they exist anymore? What happened to them? Just curious for some Shore history.

[KenN]

Ken, while I agree with ya, don't underestimate the erosional power of water. we get so much rain on the shore that erosion from water is probably as big an impact as the skidders.

I'm always quick to point out the erosive force of water to anyone that makes the argument about the mtb effect on the trails. However, Ned's existed for years with minimal erosion and, if anything, our local rainfall has decreased over the past couple of years. The most significant change on Ned's is traffic!

I'll stand by my statement, though. Mtb riding with little or no skidding has minimal impact on the trails. Skidding down the trail is anathema to all of mountain biking.

Kn.

[KenN]

Why don't they exist anymore? What happened to them? Just curious for some Shore history.


They were inside the BC Parks boundaries. Closed when the Parks officials started cracking down on illegal trails. Definitely a case in point for dealing with the politics and officials at the earliest possible opportunity.

Kn.

[biggles604]

We went out and rode it on Saturday, a couple of points to the whiners:
1: Only a small portion of the trail has been affected.
2: What has been changed is fantastic, if you know how to ride a bike fast through the dirt ramps, then you will understand how much better it is now. You can still drop the steps if you want to (You would need some speed.) but now, the trail is more consistent, no loose rocks, dips orrutted out lines to worry about, and given the way it was built, it will take a long time before it does rut out!.

[amg]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat
anyone who says neds is too rough isnt going fast enough


i thought it was the other way around... anyone who thinks it IS rough isn't going fast enough. :P faster = smoother on that trail.. which is the goal. :)

um...that IS what he said.;)

And faster isn't ALWAYS smoother...it depends on the rider.

[bunny]

oops.. i totally misread that with all the people bitching that it's becoming paved. i've never heard anyone complaining it's too rough.. unless it's slow people who's opinions don't count. :P

[biking_cam]

rode it twodays in a row and im liking the new work... couple of jumps and a log ride:)

[spookymilk]

Interesting comment, devoid of any understanding of 'the shore' and it's history.

Back before people ever though of shuttling (god forbid one should actually descend a trail without earning it with a climb!), Ned's was a nice, XC climb up the mountain. It was great for providing access to some gnarly trails like Superman, Lois Lane, Hangman. Trails that don't exist any more.

As 'shore' riding became more popular, Ned's became more of a descending trail, but still quite rideable on an XC rig by anyone with the skills. Hell that's all there was back then. Big travel, dual suspension rigs didn't exist, other than as prototypes on the DH scene. Most DH racers were on hardtails and didn't specialize in DH, they raced XC too.

Well, now shore riding is cool, and everyone can go out and by a 6" plus duallie and bash their way down Ned's, with no concept of how much damage they do when they lock the back brake and drag half the hill down with their rear wheel. Anyone can do that, it takes true skill to run down Ned's without even once locking up the rear wheel. If everyone had that skill, the trail wouldn't need to be paved. The fine braking control required for that kind of clean run is way tougher to learn than some silly 6-foot dorp to falt - shit, that just takes gravity!

I ride Ned's maybe once a year now, just to see how much it's changed. There are so many trails that are way more fun, require more skill, and they aren't crowded with a bunch of shuttlers who have an inflated sense of their riding skill set.

Um, before anyone gets TOO offended, this isn't a blanket criticism of shuttling in general (hell, I shuttled Cypress yesterday), just a rant about people who are part of the problem, lend no help in solving the problem, and complain about the solutions that have to be implemented because of their own carelessness

Kn.


that's the problem with new (uneducated riders these days). They don't understand the hard work that goes into making a trail the way it is. They just figure get down the easiest way possible (most groms i know are especially bad). When I rode down CBC, I was so careful to not skid because a) it's bad for erosion and b)it makes you look like a hack or someone with no bike skills

[tashi]

When I rode down CBC, I was so careful to not skid because a) it's bad for erosion and b)it makes you look like a hack or someone with no bike skills

That reminds me...does anyone remember the Bike mag. article about skidding and being a spazzy rider?
Something about having a Ferrari will get the chick into the car but if you take her for a drive and lock up the brakes and drive like a spaz she'll be scared shitless and never come home with you.

Remember that kids - skidding keeps you from gettting laid.