NBR: basketball at the DC skate park?

[BikerBoy21]

i got this in an email. pretty crazy i wonder how many times they had to shoot for each clip?

http://movies.collegehumor.com/media/movies/b-ball-e-mail.mov

[g1mpy]

haha wow, thats awsome ha

[Bike-Rider]

thats crazy

[sAFETY]

I saw that last week and had a hard time believing it was real so I sent it to a VFX buddy of mine and asked him.

It isn't.

Some of the shots might be, but there are telltale signs that some of the shots are done without the ball, which is inserted later. Take a look at the trick where the dude is dribbling between his legs, and passes it to his buddy who bats it with his board. Watch it frame by frame and notice that the ball dissappears when it goes behind his back (check the angle it reappears on). Also notice that there appears to be no resistance when batting the ball. He just swings a little bit and it flies accross a warehouse. Also, there's no 'impact' when he connects. A basketball is a big thing and the impact would reverberate at least a little.

Props should now be directed to the compositors. It's their work that's amazing now.

[Death Lens]

are you kidding me? i would expect a reply like that on PB but not here. If you'd like I can give you Rob D's number and you can speak with him yourself...or why don't you just go to Red Dragon and talk to Colin? i'm sure they would love to hear your story.

[sAFETY]

are you kidding me? i would expect a reply like that on PB but not here. If you'd like I can give you Rob D's number and you can speak with him yourself...or why don't you just go to Red Dragon and talk to Colin? i'm sure they would love to hear your story.

Did you even watch the vid where I specified? Take a look and then maybe you can actually add something to the thread.

I said I had a hard time believing it was real, so I asked an expert (who then consulted a team of experts) and they informed me that it wasn't, and proceeded to give me examples of why they determined so, some of which I relayed above.

So, I have the choice of believing a team of professionals who are paid millions to do compositing for MUCH bigger clients than DC Shoes, or I can believe some stranger on the BB, whom I can only assume disagrees (in his carefully though out post he fails to actually say so).

I think I'll side with the team of profesionals.

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[Skylar]

nice, and it may be fake but its still sweet

[counterpoint]

also 95% of the baskets going in are a perfect "swish!" and yes, the no impact from the skateboard is pretty unrealistic. Rad commericial though.

[Midas]

I saw that last week and had a hard time believing it was real so I sent it to a VFX buddy of mine and asked him.

It isn't.

Some of the shots might be, but there are telltale signs that some of the shots are done without the ball, which is inserted later. Take a look at the trick where the dude is dribbling between his legs, and passes it to his buddy who bats it with his board. Watch it frame by frame and notice that the ball dissappears when it goes behind his back (check the angle it reappears on). Also notice that there appears to be no resistance when batting the ball. He just swings a little bit and it flies accross a warehouse. Also, there's no 'impact' when he connects. A basketball is a big thing and the impact would reverberate at least a little.

Props should now be directed to the compositors. It's their work that's amazing now.

the ball disappears because he brings it down his side not behind his back.

[sAFETY]

the ball disappears because he brings it down his side not behind his back.

That's exactly what I though, but check out the angle that it comes out between his legs at, it doesn't match with what it would be if it was at his side.

[Battlecat]

wether it is real or not it is fucking cool

[Aldo Nova]

wow...that looked pretty realistic to me

[rfoubi]

its insanely well done if it is fake, even the part where he goes between the legs looks real, i mean if they were gonna fake it, why fake that part? how hard is it to bounce it between your legs? Although i must say the skate hit seemed way to weak to shoot a basket, ive actually tried hitting a ball with my skate and if youre using a real ball, it has some crazy impact on the board. If that shot in particular is real i think they must have used a light ball or something.

This reminds me of teh commercial where lebron james was sinking them from the opposite end of the court... that looked totally real, but it was fake, so who knows?

ps does anyone have that video by the way?

[rfoubi]

nevermind i found it

http://www.methodstudios.com/mot529

[Aldo Nova]

^ haha i like how every shot goes off screen

[FIDUN]

Crazy.

[BikerBoy21]

safety- while it may in fact be fake i dont see how you mean it comes back at the wrong angle he brought it behind his back and out through his legs, i can do that with a basketball. Also it does seem as though hitting a basketball with a skateboard would move the board, but the board is a hard object moving and the basketball isnt all that heavy to make it slow down that much...

fake or not i thought it was really cool.

[BrianPark]

Well, speaking as a pretty decent 3D modeller and compositor, if that's fake, the people who made that are amazing. Check out the ball shadows, and the perfect physics of the ball bouncing off the walls etc.
I do think they removed a lot of the audio to replace it with perfect swishes.

[Coop]

I was in disbelief at first but I now believe that it would be easier to shoot a hundred tries at something like that and make it than do it with compositing and get it right looking. Just my opinion, I figure when you're a professional skateboarder it'd be a fun thing to do between sets, cameras are still around, might as well shoot some trick shots, and you can get pretty lucky.

Go try a trick like that one time, and have a couple balls and a friend willing to pass them back, I bet you'd be surprised at what you can do with a little skill and a lot of determination.

[element]

those shadows are pretty much perfect, on every shot.

but then again that skateboard hit looks REALLY fake, mostly because there is NO impact at all on the board or give in the guys arms when he hits it

[Aldo Nova]

maybe the ball was lighter for that shot, like a totally different ball

[Coop]

Look at how he's got the board braced, and how he hits it right on the part of the deck opposite the far-trucks, so there is no huge leverage from the kick of the tail. I figure if you try that shot enough times to get it in, you're going to figure out the best and easiest way to hit the ball....ergo: his perfect form.

It's just a really sweet shot I figure.

Other than that, it'd be pretty anathema to what these guys stand for to go make a bunch of fake shit, wouldnt it? (yeah right not-withstanding).

[wheeler]

THe fisheye lense make the net look very far away.

[Del]

its fake man, on part in particular is when the guy throws the ball up through the hoop and it bounces off the wall and back down. Its going up in the air foreeeever, definitly not real physics unless there is less gravity in their park, which would help explain some of those tricks they pull on their skates

and have any of you ever tried hitting a basketball with a skateboard? even if he hit it in the right place it wouldnt look like he was batting a tennis ball.
Definitily an entertaining video though! and fucking well done if it takes this much debate!

[BikerBoy21]

i dissagree del, though it is in the air a long time... it does nearly hit the ceiling which is a ways up there. when i watch it, in my opinion, it does not look unrealistic or as though the ball 'floats'

[barry]

That's exactly what I though, but check out the angle that it comes out between his legs at, it doesn't match with what it would be if it was at his side.

he takes it behind his back and THEN through his legs. the angle doesnt match cuz hes still holding the ball when it disappears behind his back, then he shoots it between the legs.

[barry]

its fake man, on part in particular is when the guy throws the ball up through the hoop and it bounces off the wall and back down.

its in slo-mo. look at the dude when he jumps...

[Toshi]

shots i think are definitely fake:

- bouncing off the wall from behind the backboard at about 1/6th in. look at the "swish" motion on the net, it's just moving sideways as if someone shoved it around, and it lingers at the same sideways position for two frames. compare motion of the net to that in the next shot (the bouncing from the side on the ramp) which i think is real.

- bouncing off the ramp with the two support beam things in the way. the ball seems to accelerate as it gets higher, up near the rafter.

- skateboard as bat shot. as others have noticed there's no recoil. seeems to violate conservation of energy. i think the behind the back bit looks real tho.

all in all i am very impressed with their shooting. :D

[Rosscofat]

its the fish eye.. it causes many fuked up things. but still WHOOPY DO

[Midas]

eitherway, with enough attempts all those are reasonable shots.