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polytics
03-10-2005, 07:19 PM
This is more a favour from folks that own one of the forks I'm looking at rather then a question. I'm looking for the un-compressed (resting) height of the following forks:
'03 Manitou Sherman Slider (Non SPV 6")
'05 Manitou Flick + (Non SPV 6")
'05 Fox Vanilla (130mm)
'01 Marzocchi Shiver
'02-'03 Marzocchi Shiver
'05 66 (6" and 7")
If you have one of these forks and don't mind taking the time to measure it, I'm looking for the distance from the center of the axle to the base of the fork race (preferably in cm or mm)
If you care to comment in the positive or the negative on any of the forks please feel inclined. It will be going on a hardtail designed for a 5"-6" fork.
it depends on some of them, cuz the lower crown can be moved...
heres the height of my 03 Sherman Slider:
21"s from center of axle to lower race seat...
hope that helps..
p.s. for whats its worth my 6" Slider has 8"s of exposed stanction.
my 03 Slider has been bar none the best fork i have ever owned... its ride quality is untouched by anything else i have run...
and i have run some amazing forks in my day... and my Slider has gone 2 full seasons+ without a drop of oil leaking or the lowers needing servicein'...
the fork remains as supple as the day i got it...
i couldnt be happier with mine... ill never sell it...:D
polytics
03-11-2005, 12:24 AM
Thanks for the response.
With 8" of exposed stanction I wonder if they got any longer in '04 and '05? Not that it matters. I don't like the idea of running my bike with the suspension topped out all the time... long live sag and all that.
If someone out there doesn't mind (and yeah I know it will be a little different depending on where you set the crowns) I'd really appreciate the axle-race measurements for the '01 and '02/'03 Shivers as well.
switch
03-11-2005, 01:38 AM
2001 Shiver DC - 572mm.
2004 Shiver DC - 572mm.
Looks like it's been the same since 2001.
polytics
03-11-2005, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by switch
2001 Shiver DC - 572mm.
2004 Shiver DC - 572mm.
Looks like it's been the same since 2001.
Wow... always hear folks talking about how tall Marzocchi's are and I think the shiver was less of an offender then the 888?
switch
03-12-2005, 06:02 AM
Originally posted by polytics
Wow... always hear folks talking about how tall Marzocchi's are and I think the shiver was less of an offender then the 888?
03 Sherman Slider, 6" of travel, is 21".
The Shiver, 7.5" of travel, is 22.5".
Numbers seem right.
Rosscofat
03-12-2005, 10:09 AM
sliders rule never sell.. wow shivers are TALL
Lady Gravity
03-12-2005, 10:22 AM
just to throw this out there...
04 jr t - 545mm, 170mm of travel
corey@nsmb.com
03-12-2005, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by Rosscofat
sliders rule never sell.. wow shivers are TALL
They also have an additional inch of travel...its an 8 inch fork.
Corey's theory: the majority of the people who fuss over fork height (ie: majority being those who are not die hard racers, but instead the regular Shore riders who get out 3 times a week or so) are not going to notice a substantial difference between the most popular fork types out there.
It will be the sort of thing you might feel on the first ride, cause it feels different than your last fork....but it isn't going to change the way you ride or slow you down.
That's my 2 cents...flame it all you like.
nick1111
03-12-2005, 11:23 AM
The info i have
7” Manitou Dorado (21.0”)
7” Rock Shox Boxxer is (21.0”)
7" ’04 Super T (21.25”)
8" Shiver (22.5")
8" 888 (23.5")
7" 66 (23.5")
8" DHF (23")
Rosscofat
03-12-2005, 12:02 PM
I didnt know what fork height was till ifo told me. ahha I just put it on and ride it and I didnt know shivers were 8 i thought 7. thats cool.
Lady Gravity
03-12-2005, 12:37 PM
does anyone know the various weights for all the forks? obviously the 888 is 8lbs, but what about the rest
nick1111
03-12-2005, 12:44 PM
888 is like 7.6lbs, Shiver is around 9.5 with proper oil, dhf-8 is 10.5, dhf-ti is like 8.5, 66 is a bit less than 888 i think.
Rosscofat
03-12-2005, 01:07 PM
slider I think is 7 atleast the 03 is. dunno about the new ones with all that funky new school air stuff :rolleyes:
Jumper is 4.7 :D
Originally posted by Rosscofat
I didnt know what fork height was till ifo told me. ahha I just put it on and ride it
then what the hell are u going on about, hahaaha...
your a ODD guy sometimes Rossco...:)
Rosscofat
03-12-2005, 01:27 PM
well all this talk about fork axle whatever i have no clue haha but yeah :D I dont think its really matters to me on ahardtail.
switch
03-12-2005, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by nick1111
888 is like 7.6lbs, Shiver is around 9.5 with proper oil, dhf-8 is 10.5, dhf-ti is like 8.5, 66 is a bit less than 888 i think.
It's 66, in the same travel as the 888 (7"), is a pound less. The 6" version of the 66 is 6lbs.
nick1111
03-12-2005, 03:38 PM
What are you saying? Your sentence makes no sense. Anyway, despite the 66 claimed weight of 6.2lbs, many reports indicate that it's actually around 7.1, so half a pound less than an 888.
switch
03-12-2005, 10:22 PM
OK, I'll say it in numbers.
66, 150mm travel - 2740g - 6.1lbs
66, 170mm travel, 2850g - 6.3lbs
888, 170mm travel - 3285g - 7.23lbs
polytics
03-13-2005, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by corey@nsmb.com
Corey's theory: the majority of the people who fuss over fork height (ie: majority being those who are not die hard racers, but instead the regular Shore riders who get out 3 times a week or so) are not going to notice a substantial difference between the most popular fork types out there.
It will be the sort of thing you might feel on the first ride, cause it feels different than your last fork....but it isn't going to change the way you ride or slow you down.
That's my 2 cents...flame it all you like.
I'm sure for a lot of folks you're right. But I find with my hardtail I'm always looking for a balance between suspension travel and head angle. I pedal one bike everywhere I ride so I have to be able to climb up the Trans Can to Nicoles but also ride the harder shore trails my group is starting to get into.
I think I'm actually going to buy the new Boxxer Ride once I've heard a few more indepth reviews of it. Boxxer's always have short axle to crowns for their travel and that one I can adjust the travel/height/head angle.
Using a fork with a large axle to crown height will change your geometry more then a 24" rear wheel.
A 24" rear wheel well lower the bb by about 1" and change the head tube angle by about 1 deg.
A Marz 66/888 (at the same travel setting as a boxxer) well raise the handle bar by about 2" and raise the bb by about 1-1.5" (also raising the center of gravity). It well also slacken the head angle by about 2 deg.
just my 2 cents.
Nelson
03-13-2005, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by switch
OK, I'll say it in numbers.
66, 150mm travel - 2740g - 6.1lbs
66, 170mm travel, 2850g - 6.3lbs
888, 170mm travel - 3285g - 7.23lbs
All without steertubes. Both 66's should weigh the same, as they're adjustable via an internal spacer. Im sure my 66 weighs around 7lbs with the behemoth steer tube.
FreaK
03-13-2005, 01:21 PM
just a bit shameless self-promotion.
if you wouldn't mind posting your axle to crown measurements here: the Axle-Crown height compendium (http://www.dropmachine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9191)
switch
03-13-2005, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by atb
A 24" rear wheel well lower the bb by about 1" and change the head tube angle by about 1 deg.
The rear wheel would be 1" less in radius (if that, as 24" wheels are usually tall for their size). When you get to the BB, which is 40% of the way to the front dropouts, the drop would be about 60% of the rear wheel dropouts, or about 0.6". A 1" inch rise in the front droupout would have a related BB rise of about 0.4".
Originally posted by Nelson
All without steertubes. Both 66's should weigh the same, as they're adjustable via an internal spacer. Im sure my 66 weighs around 7lbs with the behemoth steer tube.
Yes, without steer tube. It's usually 1/2lb for a steer tube. Your's may be a lot.
I don't get the whole weight thing on a big bike. What's one pound difference? On my Coiler, I went from a 5 Dropoff Comp to the Z150. You would think that the extra lb (or more) would suck, but I barely noticed it right after the change, and after 1/2 ride I don't notice it at all.
I bet your 66 will be a kick-ass fork.
nick1111
03-13-2005, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by switch
OK, I'll say it in numbers.
66, 150mm travel - 2740g - 6.1lbs
66, 170mm travel, 2850g - 6.3lbs
888, 170mm travel - 3285g - 7.23lbs
Well, those numbers are wrong.
It's completely stupid that they weigh the forks w/o steer tubes. Why? Because not all steer tubes weight the same. The steer tube for a big SC weighs WAY more than a dual crown.
switch
03-13-2005, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by nick1111
Well, those numbers are wrong.
OK, so Marzocchi lies, you don't, and you know the real numbers. So post them up.
barry
03-13-2005, 10:47 PM
your thinking of putting a shiver on a hardtail designed around a 5-6" fork?
:nono:
nick1111
03-13-2005, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by switch
OK, so Marzocchi lies, you don't, and you know the real numbers. So post them up.
Well, marz doesn't "lie" they just weigh the forks without steer tube, axel, or full oil level. I have not weighed one myself (yet) but when I read the original post I searched around and anyone who has weighed it says it's around 7.1 or 7.2lbs. I'm not suprised. Have you seen how thick that steer tube is? Holy crap...
switch
03-14-2005, 02:53 AM
Marzocchi definitely fudges with the numbers. :D
Marzocchi forks are usually low on oil. Probably because it saves Marzocchi money on both oil and shipping, the fork can be touted as weighing less, and the lower oil level gives the fork a more gushy on the showroom floor.
I know what you mean about thick steer tubes. I bought a Z150 and the steer tube is much thicker than any other fork I've owned thick.
Know of any website that lists the weight of the steer tubes?
Originally posted by barry
your thinking of putting a shiver on a hardtail designed around a 5-6" fork?
:nono:
the thing is, the new marz 66 is bigger then a shiver.
shiver= 572mm (axle to crown), 185mm (travel)
66(6")= 578mm (axle to crown), 150mm (travel)
66(7")=603mm (axle to crown), 170mm (travel)
the shiver is the only marz fork that i'd ride. it's the only one with a resonable axle to crown hight.
frame makers use 6" travel forks on frames because thay want to use a fork that isnt as big as a 8" DH fork. if thay made the frame geometry for a 6" fork then the head tube well be +/-2" lower then on a DH frame. thats why i just dont see the point of the 66/888(unless it has the flat crowns).
peachy-B
03-30-2005, 05:53 PM
what about the 2005 boxxer Team... axle to crown measurement? does any have that. their website doesn't seem to have it.
Mountain Biker
03-30-2005, 08:22 PM
it should probably be mentioned here that axle to crown (minimum) will be affected by tire height.
so just because you have a boxer with a min axle to crouwn of 21", if you're running a tall tire, you might have to slip it down in the crowns to fit...
just an FYI.
peachy-B
03-31-2005, 08:57 AM
tire height? negligible. difference can't be more than 5mm.
peachy-B
03-31-2005, 11:49 AM
got it direct from SRAM.
Axle to crown measurement for a boxxer Team at the 8” travel setting is 568mm (22.37").
The Ride is 543mm from the 7” travel setting.
NickS
03-31-2005, 08:37 PM
Long live the low front ends i could never ride a tall fork, right now im on a slider 6in with a less than 1 in rise bar and a 1.5 in drop stem. Just switching the stem is a really good way to drop drop the bars.
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