OFF YOUR ASSES AND ON THE PHONE TODAY.

[cam@nsmb.com]

We need to get articulate, thoughtful riders on the phone to Bill Good today.

In case you missed this on the front page:

Monday at 10:30-11:30 am Pacific time Bill Good will be discussing mountain biking on Mount Fromme with Councillor Ernie Crist along with Dan Sedlacek from On Top bike shop and Ken Neave from the nsmbA.


Listen live on your computer by going to the CKNW Web site (http://www.cknw.com/) and call in.


Local (604) 280-9898
Toll Free_ (from anywhere in North America) 1 (877) 399-9898


Pick up the phone and tell people what the trails on Fromme and the rest of the North Shore mean to you.

[Biking Fiend]

im to shy to voice my opinion on the radio but im streamin the show online

[Putty]

yeah, you're a shy one pimpin...

[Biking Fiend]

Originally posted by putty
yeah, you're a shy one pimpin...

:P not in person but i wouldnt really know how to phrase what i wanna say in a proffesional matter live.

[Biking Fiend]

Mountain biking is a great sport on hard cement. dont see how mountain comes in concrete?

[derwood]

Where in the world are there "severe restrictions" on mountainbiking besides Marin Co. in Cali??

Where in europe??????

[Jon-boy]

Yeah I was just wondering that. I'm originally from the UK and if I remember rightly I was riding on shared trials in wooded areas. In Les Gets they have a LOT of riding in wooded areas. I was just in CA and I was riding in WOODED AREAS.

Where the hell did he get that info from?

Sadly can't call as I'm at work...... wouldn't be good to start ranting at my desk.

[Dolph]

EXACTLY.. I know that big bear closed, but fromme is a public park???

and I love how he didn't even bring up the parking issues.. thats what his original purpose was, was it not?

errosion??? what about trail days..

[aShogunNamedMarcus]

Originally posted by Dolph
EXACTLY.. I know that big bear closed, but fromme is a public park???

and I love how he didn't even bring up the parking issues.. thats what his original purpose was, was it not?

errosion??? what about trail days..

He just brought up most of the issues that have plagued the DNV council meetings.

What can kind of leadership is a full out ban? I wanted to ask that but the lines were obviously busy.

[theprawn]

listening right now.

HELLO, im from england, im riding in a forest sunday and rode in a forest on a mountain in wales two days ago. i have sent an email to the radio station stating this, the guy is just making his facts up. which would mean they aren't FACT

[blunt boy]

Finish Him Gary!:D

[Islandrider]

Crist is getting owned :lol:

[Jon-boy]

Gary from cycling BC did a good job... hopefully this will show that his arguments are not backed up with accurate info.

[Jon-boy]

BTW Big Bear stopped DH biking due to insurance issues. Who know's this might change if Intrawest buys Big Bear/Snow Summit. (They already own a share in it). Anyway that's getting OT. Big Bear didn't close due to 'erosion'...... The only place that I really know of is Marin County and that was due to trail user conflicts....

He should just look at the money being poured into trail building in Scotland with the Seven Stanes project... it's being ENCOURAGED!!!

[theprawn]

Also, should anyone get through, Europe has mountain biking areas springing up all over the place as the ski areas in the Alps and Pyreenes realise they can open lifts and cater to these riders during the 'closed' season.

[hardy shawn]

im not a nv loc but this guy christ seems to not realy know whats goin on at all. its kind of making me mad. im streaming by the way

[hooli]

omg he is lying on the radio ...hes never gotten out of a vehicle

[theprawn]

:stupid:

how sensationalist is this radio station??

<shakes head in disgust>

[Ashek]

bah, i just tuned in, is it over already?

[GRIZZ]

Originally posted by theprawn
listening right now.

HELLO, im from england, im riding in a forest sunday and rode in a forest on a mountain in wales two days ago. i have sent an email to the radio station stating this, the guy is just making his facts up. which would mean they aren't FACT

phone the toll free and say that?

[GRIZZ]

Originally posted by Ashek
bah, i just tuned in, is it over already?

supposed to end at 11:30 i think

[derwood]

Perhaps Ernie could learn a little bit by talking to Squamish council......

[derwood]

"I am speaking for the residents of North Vancouver......and in my PERSONAL opinion......"



asshat.......

[aShogunNamedMarcus]

Originally posted by derwood
Perhaps Ernie could learn a little bit by talking to Squamish council......

Perhaps an old dog cant learn new tricks.

[Islandrider]

I hope some of the other north van councillers are listening to this.

[Ashek]

ok, hes flat our wrong tho, and hes completely misdirecting the issue.
The issue is NOT the fact that fromme cannot accomodate world riders, it can, and has been for years. Someone bring up the fact that he hasnt even been on the mountain.. i wanna hear his reaction to this.

Since this is his personal opinion, he does NOT represent NV residence.

[derwood]

definetly NOT speaking for me....

[aShogunNamedMarcus]

Originally posted by Islandrider
I hope some of the other north van councillers are listening to this.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

[Ashek]

"no one, but no one is against biking"

"mount fromme is the only mountain that they like"

wow... pure gold...

[theprawn]

couldn't get through on the phones, but lets face it he's been absolutely ragged, even the DJ appears to have realised that he's not really got a very good arguement going.

hope you lot manage to keep it all there, i haven't visited yet, you know, for a holiday, rather than because i can't ride my bike anywhere else.

[Desloc]

'The only thing going downhill fast in N.Van are the houses' :lol:

Great show, great support... Dan and Bill were awesome.


Crist shot himself in the foot over and over again.



Des

[hardy shawn]

yup mt fromme is the only mountain that we like to ride bikes on YUP MMHMM

hes a winner that one :damn:

[stillgoing]

Ernie said he's been on the trails, and has seen the 'damage' himself. I would have liked to have been able to hear more specifics on that one. Up to now, he's never stated he's even set foot on a trail, and in fact has seemingly said that he hasn't because he's got 'reports'

[Silk]

The last caller was great

Talking about homes going higher and higher into Fromme.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Fabulous guys. Some excellent calls (Cam, Mike, Gary and the other names I forget!) and a solid job by Dan and Ken.

Ernie didn't answer a single question. He reverts back to his "main issue" which seems to change on a day to day basis. Every time this guy gets a microphone in front of him, I think he discredits himself even more...he just doesn't make any sense and when he is put up against well spoken, informed and articulate arguments he falls apart.

It was great to have calls from NY and California, Calgary, etc. People who do not have the same vested interest in the trails we do, yet who know it well enough to be on the phone speaking to them. It shows the size of the mtb population, and it shows the appeal (tourism) of the Shore.

Even Mr. Good was punching holes in Ernie's approach.

[ryant]

damn my connection bailed on my right at the end..

Did Crist reply to the comment bout the new houses going up the mtn.????

[ryant]

Mr Good saying ' ya I lived in New Zealand for 25 yrs. riding my dirtbike and mtb everywhere with no probs.' was basically a big FU to Crist, loved that.!!! HAHAHAHA

[aShogunNamedMarcus]

Originally posted by ryant
damn my connection bailed on my right at the end..

Did Crist reply to the comment bout the new houses going up the mtn.????

No but Mr. Good did say that the cost of the parking lot was roughly the same as what a new house goes for :) No one also took the time to clarify the fact that parking lot was not asked for by the mtn bike community or the fact that it would be a multi use facility with outhouses for all outdoor users.

I also dont think the last caller needed to mention the landslide issue as thats just in poor taste, besides the point and generally, blatantly disrespectful.

[deusex]

Wow, some great calls. And Crist sure was the obvious boob in this debate....how many times did he repeat himself? I lost count.
Well done all.

[Tom]

Originally posted by deusex
Wow, some great calls. And Crist sure was the obvious boob in this debate....how many times did he repeat himself? I lost count.
Well done all.

I tried to call in a bunch of times, but the lines were busy. I wanted to ask Big Ern how much the District spends on soccer fields, baseball diamonds, arenas, skateparks, and their associated parking lots. When Bill Good said "wait a minute, you can ride your mountain bike in California?" that was hilarious.

[Rat]

How many other north van coucilers have been on the bill good show twice in the last few months (ernie was on trying to force buisness owners to put english on thier signs)

This is exactly what he thrives on and why he gets elected, hes the only counciler that anyone recongnizes when they go to vote. Hes found a great target in the mountain bikers because we just keep bringing him into the limelight.

[pete@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by Rat
How many other north van coucilers have been on the bill good show twice in the last few months (ernie was on trying to force buisness owners to put english on thier signs)

This is exactly what he thrives on and why he gets elected, hes the only counciler that anyone recongnizes when they go to vote. Hes found a great target in the mountain bikers because we just keep bringing him into the limelight.

That is so true, although when everyone in the MTB community rallies like they did today - the exposure certainly helps our cause. Good job and thank you to everyone that called in - you all did great. I was listening in Switzerland, where last time I checked, you were allowed to ride your bike just about everywhere except through the train stations.

[Bukkake]

He came across as a completely uninformed grumpy old man who could not back up any of his statements.

He got caught in his own false claims on live radio that was awesome!!!!

Andrew from Race Face spoke very well too. Good call Andrew!!!

[Rat]

Originally posted by "Bukkake"
He came across as a completely uninformed grumpy old man

which I would bet represents his core voters.


In hindsight I wish I had called in and asked Ken or Dan some questions.


How do I become a member of the NSMBA?

how can I get my children invloved in riding blah blah blah.

Gee im a resident and I noticed all the good work on the baden powell who does that suff.

create our own positive press.

[ruff]

for those who missed the show click here

http://www.cknw.com/audiovault/audiovault.cfm

pick the 10:00am, show, scroll ahead to 35:20 minutes.

To catch the last part of the show your going to have to click on the 11:00am portion and scroll to 7:15 mintues

[CraigH]

Ruff, thanks for the link, I'll listen a little later this afternoon.

I was going to ask if anyone had recorded it and had the file on the net.

[Wayne P]

Good job Gary. Yo are brighter than you look.;)

[CraigH]

More comments in this thread:
http://bb.nsmb.com/newforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55267

[umbullit]

Holy hell.
christ is a fool
I have lived in 3 states, and ridden in washington, idaho, montana, oregon, californa, new mexico, arizona, and a trip to the woodlot.
i coulda SWORN that i was riding in the woods. and i coulda sworn that i was riding on some steep ass moutnains.. and i coulda sworn that i was doing so on sanctiond trails. But i guess i never did any of this. because its prohibited the world over.
this man has apparently, never done any research into the things that he says, and it needs to be pointed out. The man has no factual evidence behind what he is saying.

Some biker musta really pissed him off to go on this crusade.

[SIDESHOW]

the one day I'm not on the BB, and I completely missed the boat.

[deusex]

Some biker musta really pissed him off to go on this crusade.

I think he reads the forums.... hehe

[Islandrider]

Originally posted by SIDESHOW
the one day I'm not on the BB, and I completely missed the boat.
Goto the audio vault on the site. You can still listen to it.

[freerider guy]

Originally posted by Islandrider
I hope some of the other north van councillers are listening to this.

I truely hope so. I was actually at Richard Walton's (a counciller) house for dinner on saturday night. We also watched NSX 8, it was awsome.

[Universe]

"I have information that contradicts that statement."

Come on Ernie lets hear it. You were unprepared, and it showed.

[skifreak]

really surpising if New Zealand has no riding other than flat ground - I think the Drop-In guys did their homework before heading south...

wasn't there some super sized 4x course being built down there?

[patrolskid]

damnit , i can't get the thing to play on my computer , any transcripts ?

the information that ernie has , comes from those voices . . . . . you know the ones ? in which case , nobody is going to get that information , except ernie !

[CraigH]

Originally posted by patrolskid
the information that ernie has , comes from those voices . . . . . you know the ones ? in which case , nobody is going to get that information , except ernie !

I'd bet money that Ernie's info source is Mike V. in California.

(Cue: Lunatic Fringe by Red Rider...)

[King of Fasia]

just listened to the "debate" on CKNW's vault, and all i can say is WOW, some one really needs to do their homework before they go on a radio station show with the profile of "The Bill Good Show". props to everyone who phoned in to the show and helped point out that mountain biking is a good thing. needless to say, Mr. Crist didn't do a thing to help himself, in fact he sounded very uninformed and unprepared and quite ignorant actually. How is it that no one from the opposition phoned in to support Mr. Crist argument. Just shows the mountain bike community is united and will not succumb to the pressures of the few.

[SIDESHOW]

Originally posted by Islandrider
Goto the audio vault on the site. You can still listen to it.


ya but I had a couple of "challenges" for good Ern...

[VancouverIslguy]

listening right now, Cam is on. GO CAM!!!!

[buzzes]

As I have inquired on another thread:

I am curious;

Does anyone know why Crist is so against the Mountain bikers?

He has claimed many reasons for not wanting us on Fromme, but what is his real agenda?

It's obviously not environmental stuartship, and he was having a fit about us long before the million dollar parking lots were proposed.

Some research needs to be done here.
What's in it for him?.......................hmmmmmmmmm!?

[Tom]

It's all about exposure. I know when I have voted in a municipal election, you select a given number of councillors. Many of them I had never even heard of, much less knew their stance on things. When residents of North Van go to vote, they'll see the name Ernie Crist and think "hey that guy is all over the radio and papers, he's WORKING!" and vote for him.

That and the fact he's just a grumpy bitter old man who wants to make sure no one has any fun, and will make up whatever reason he chooses to accomplish his goal.

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[Incorrigible]

Ironically, he (Mr. Crusty or whatever) is probably the best thing to happen to Vancouver municipal politics in ages. Nobody usually ever pays attention to it, and now, you have all of us, many of whom don't actually live there, ready to do anything, to continue to do what we love in the best place in the world for riding mtb bikes.

[switch]

Originally posted by Incorrigible
Ironically, he (Mr. Crusty or whatever) is probably the best thing to happen to Vancouver municipal politics in ages. Nobody usually ever pays attention to it, and now, you have all of us, many of whom don't actually live there, ready to do anything, to continue to do what we love in the best place in the world for riding mtb bikes.

But it is only one issue, and he is wasting far too many resources on it.

It's time for Councillor Crist to retire to the hinterland.

[Incorrigible]

Of course it is just one issue, and he needs to retire to somewhere else, hopefully. But the issues that bring people out to municipal meetings here where I live tend to be for things like stopping housing developments. As if... So interest is pretty low everywhere. There should be a good turnout from our biking people at the next municipal election in N. Van though, and that's my point.