Good DH Training Runs

[~NSP~]

Heya I live at the base of seymour (off of hyannis) and was woundering what trails on the shore (pref. the 3 peaks) are the best for dh training. Ive ridden Mystery Downhill and found it to be decent, but I would like to hear all of your opinions. I am new to DH, so please don't suggest retartedly hard courses.

[Midas]

Cypress Roach Hit/ Clip Is good. Also Mystery. Take your bike for a whirl around the demonstrationf orest to get cardio up.

[corey@nsmb.com]

if you go hard on Neds it's pretty good. Time your runs, top to bottom and work on improving your lap speed.

it's really tiring when you pin it the whole way.

[synchro]

NOT NED's

This trail was never intended to be a high speed DH run. It's going to see some changes this year that will slow it down. If you're not a hack you'll still be able to have tons of fun on it tho.

[Midas]

^ I love you man.

[the flying moose]

Originally posted by synchro
NOT NED's

This trail was never intended to be a high speed DH run. It's going to see some changes this year that will slow it down. If you're not a hack you'll still be able to have tons of fun on it tho.

bingo. there have several times ive been passed rudely beside or overtop me by people trying to break the world landspeed record. if you wanna race go to a official race course.

any hints on what will be put on neds??

[DaveM]

Bear Mtn.

I always thought Ned's was the beginner downhill training run. When I started riding 3 or 4 years ago, that's what it was described to me as. I think Ned's was likely originally intended as an xc run that people used to climb up. Trails evolve, things change. I think you'll have lots of opposition if you want to slow it down.

Personally I don't care, fast isn't usually used to describe my riding.

[bullit_kid]

Neds is endorsed as a DH "fast" trail on the trail guide maps.

[scottvelez]

Neds is only good if you like riding stairs for 20 minutes straight. Nothing but rocks and roots on that trail.

[synchro]

Originally posted by bullit_kid
Neds is endorsed as a DH "fast" trail on the trail guide maps.

that's true, but it shouldn't be tho.


the builder didn't intend for it to be a dh course
ned's used to be a nice climb up
ned's is designated as an intermediate run
ned's is/was one of the best trails to cut your teeth on the shore

ned's has taken a lot of punishment and abuse because of:

1. the amount of traffic it sees
2. the type of riding it sees
3. re number one - the lack of people maintaing the trail

you will still be able to ride ned's fast, just not at warp speed. the changes being made will slow it down a bit, make it more technical as opposed to a straight line down the mountain, help prevent erosion and make it safer for newer riders so they don't have to worry about getting run off the trail

[APT]

I kinda thought Mystery DH on cypress is probably the best trail for training run.

[Wayne P]

There's nothing that great on the North Shore for DH training. For high speed and reading the terrain fast Ned's is good, but DH courses aren't like that at all. Some section are ok though.

Sex Boy can be effective as long as you do multiple timed runs, trying to better it each time. Scary as hell riding it at race pace. Roach hit/clip is good for the same reason. Mystery DH is pretty good for speed. Cypress is pretty much the best because will prepare you for anything scary you'll see in a race and make you work for it.

7th is actually not bad because it's so long and will give you a hell of a workout. Not so good on a DH sled though.

[Shocker]

I say just ride a lot of cypress, steep slick rooty stuff will make you faster in all aspects especially if you cna pin it through tthat stuff.

[Rat]

Originally posted by synchro
NOT NED's

This trail was never intended to be a high speed DH run. It's going to see some changes this year that will slow it down. If you're not a hack you'll still be able to have tons of fun on it tho.


Blow me, Neds rocks for a DH run. just dont do it mid day on the weekend when there is some traffic. the fun thing about neds is the faster you go the smoother it is.

Mystery is good and you can really rail on both Krinkem and Esspresso on fromme.

[LeeLau]

wayne - pls dont publicize Cypress. A lot of the switchbacks on Sex Boy are trashed by skidiots out of control. Can you edit this post to take it out?

[LeeLau]

Definitely CBC.

[Rat]

CBC Neds is a great run because by the time your done CBC your fired up for neds. Of course I only ride those trails at night so I dont deal with the traffic.

Speaking of that I heard they run a night DH race outa port alberni.

anyone have the poop

[Wayne P]

Cypress isn't exactly a secret. That post is not going to increase traffic on already popular trails. Sorry.

If it were relatively unknown trails, I would not mention it.

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by Wayne Parsons
Cypress isn't exactly a secret. That post is not going to increase traffic on already popular trails. Sorry.

If it were relatively unknown trails, I would not mention it.

let me ask you this then - you gonna come by and help me fix all the switchbacks that are cut in sex boy by dumbasses that lack the skill to get long wheel-base bikes around tight corners? I'm not talking about you - Ive seen you ride. Im talking about joe sixpack

[Wayne P]

Once I've finished reno'ing my house, taking care of my daughter, sleeping, eating, and riding my bike for 2 hours a week, sure I'll come out and block off switchbacks. Actually, that's for the dumbasses to repair.

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by Wayne Parsons
Once I've finished reno'ing my house, taking care of my daughter, sleeping, eating, and riding my bike for 2 hours a week, sure I'll come out and block off switchbacks. Actually, that's for the dumbasses to repair.

I hear you but the dumbassess are too dumb to know that they've effed up. I thought you were moving to kamloops - I know a good realtor there.

[Wayne P]

True, true.

Yes we are moving to the land o' the Loopie. What's your realtor's name?

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by Wayne Parsons
True, true.

Yes we are moving to the land o' the Loopie. What's your realtor's name?

http://www.bperry.com/ -

reasons why I like him
- son bikes so he knows all about finding places that are good for bikes
- not pushy at all
- takes time to get to know what you want and need
- knows the area insideout
- knows the native land-claims issues
- just a generally nice guy.

He also does Sun peaks too. I'm not crazy about the Sun Peaks remax office. They're a monopoly and they know it

[grj]

cabin trail rocks for dh runs, too bad you have to push up.
time killer is porpose built for shuttles and big bikes.
still nothing like good ol' bear mtn.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by LeeLau
dumbasses that lack the skill to get long wheel-base bikes around tight corners?


Sorry Lee, but this just drives me nuts. You have a solid point about cutting corners damaging trails, and I agree with you and make a point of not doing it.

But, you are losing the credibility and respect when you go on the assumption that it's all "dumbasses that lack the skill to get long wheel-base bikes around tight corners".

Ditch the high and mighty skill argument, it just takes the wind out of your sails.

People who cut their own lines are going to do it, regardless of their bike being half an inch longer than Joe Blow's Big Hit, or an inch longer than your Hummer, etc.

It's the rider, and the rider's lack of common sense.

You start playing the "you suck, no skill" game and you piss people off and nobody listens. (they should...but the context is going to throw them off).

Just trying to help. I DO AGREE with you, I just think the whole "you can't follow a trail because you suck" approach does more harm than good.

:) :beer:

[TheGiggler]

Originally posted by corey@nsmb.com

You start playing the "you suck, no skill" game and you piss people off and nobody listens. (they should...but the context is going to throw them off).



OK... we'll play the self-centered i can ride wherever i want card.

it's exactly like the CBC poachers... there is no difference, these are the same people.

i honestly do not think that we can reach them, though i would like to hear suggestions.

[LeeLau]

Corey - you misunderstand. I wasnt trying to educate - I was venting. I'm not trying to reach the shitty riders who have such crap skills that they can't even do the simple weight transfers to move a big bike around. Those kind of crapdoodly riders are not the kind of people who give two turds about cutting a corner anyway - they're on Sex Boy because its fast. Not because there's sections of trails which look so cool when the sun shines through the canopy into the ferns.

Either these riders are so shitty they can't turn their bikes properly or worse still they CAN turn their bikes tight and just don't care. Either way I'm not going to be able to reach said dumbass waste-of-skin crappyass rider by ranting on a bulletin board. All I'm doing is e-farting into the wind really.

The only way to cure cutting switchbacks IMO is to keep dragging lots and lots and lots of blowdown into corners. If anyone sees a cut corner - i sure hope that some time can be taken to do that.

and btw - I am NOT accusing you of cutting corners or digging at your skills or whatever. I do appreciate where you're coming from

Originally posted by corey@nsmb.com
Sorry Lee, but this just drives me nuts. You have a solid point about cutting corners damaging trails, and I agree with you and make a point of not doing it.

But, you are losing the credibility and respect when you go on the assumption that it's all "dumbasses that lack the skill to get long wheel-base bikes around tight corners".

Ditch the high and mighty skill argument, it just takes the wind out of your sails.

People who cut their own lines are going to do it, regardless of their bike being half an inch longer than Joe Blow's Big Hit, or an inch longer than your Hummer, etc.

It's the rider, and the rider's lack of common sense.

You start playing the "you suck, no skill" game and you piss people off and nobody listens. (they should...but the context is going to throw them off).

Just trying to help. I DO AGREE with you, I just think the whole "you can't follow a trail because you suck" approach does more harm than good.

:) :beer:

[TheGiggler]

nice post Lee. e-farting :lol: and we know what blowdown in the switchbacks does on sexboy ;)

[synchro]

Originally posted by Wayne Parsons
Once I've finished reno'ing my house, taking care of my daughter, sleeping, eating, and riding my bike for 2 hours a week, sure I'll come out and block off switchbacks. Actually, that's for the dumbasses to repair.

now here we have a perfect example of the attitude that's killing the shore. it's all about me and let the other guy fix it. if you can ride two hours per week than you can do at least 1 hourn of trailwork or some type of advocacy work per month.

[Rat]

Im sure wayne does his part splinky. Does anyone remember when Sexboy was being used as a DH training run by sombody and all the corners were cut and shitbagged. Im sure thats what has lee in a pisser.

The trail was used and abused and left for dead.

[LeeLau]

i saw someone has cut corners on c-buster and got pretty upset - its right by concussion corner - the rockface won't kill you to walk it now would you? The best is when people can't make the skinnies on the Gerbil cage then they sidehop into the skunk cabbage section and then try to RIDE through the section/ I mean, wtf? So you fall off - ok - everyone falls sometime. But riding through a BB height swamp?

I digress as those are hardly DH training runs

[Rat]

Lee did I ever tell you about the time I came across a couple groms actually removing some deadfall I had placed on grannies so they could ride the corner. when Questioned they looked at me and said " Its too hard to ride it over there"

Speaking of good DH runs Cabin Snakes is a wicked run. probably my fave speed run in the lower mainland.

[Wayne P]

Originally posted by synchro
now here we have a perfect example of the attitude that's killing the shore. it's all about me and let the other guy fix it. if you can ride two hours per week than you can do at least 1 hourn of trailwork or some type of advocacy work per month.

Oh god:rolleyes:

You have no idea what I've done, where or when. You don't know my background or where I come from. Very lame.

[pete]

omg what a huge bitch fest.


on a non-related note:
if you dont want people cutting corners, dont dick around, build a fucking railing. otherwise its going to happen.

[LeeLau]

Originally posted by pete
omg what a huge bitch fest.


on a non-related note:
if you dont want people cutting corners, dont dick around, build a fucking railing. otherwise its going to happen.

pete i pretty much did build a railing on C-buster and it still got taken apart. It must have been quite the job taking it apart as we used nails. Bill - krazy karpentar - woodlot guy told me the same story about Woodlot Gold and the Krazy Karpentar too. They built really good ways to keep corners from getting cut and people still did,

On another note, I think the new Cypress trails will be good dh training runs. Mystery DH in Cypress is too i guess since it will be logged anyway. zed correct me if Im wrong but 19th hole is due to be logged in 2 years so thats a good dh run too.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by statix
OK... we'll play the self-centered i can ride wherever i want card.

it's exactly like the CBC poachers... there is no difference, these are the same people.

i honestly do not think that we can reach them, though i would like to hear suggestions.

Totally agree. :)

Idiots are causing problems. Skill isn't a factor in being an idiot. Neither is wheelbase.

[corey@nsmb.com]

I hear ya Lee, and I'm completely on your side.

"e-farting", :lol: ! Nice . :)

[synchro]

Originally posted by Wayne Parsons
Oh god:rolleyes:

You have no idea what I've done, where or when. You don't know my background or where I come from. Very lame.

no i don't have any idea of what you've done. if you have done lots of work great, i really appreciate it. my comment wasn't directly aimed at you but all the people that have the "i don't have time to help, i only have time to ride" mentality. i can only go by what you've said here and it led me to a certain conclusion which now appears to have been wrong. sorry man.

[Zedbra]

Originally posted by LeeLau
zed correct me if Im wrong but 19th hole is due to be logged in 2 years so thats a good dh run too.

What are you talking about? There are NO trails in Squamish. NONE. (please ride Ned's til its a 6' ditch)

[pete]

Originally posted by Zedbra
What are you talking about? There are NO trails in Squamish. NONE. (please ride Ned's til its a 6' ditch)

hmm i guess you haven't been up lately, its now 73" deep at parts.:P

so gimmme the goods:P

[Universe]

Wow after reading this I'm glad I moved back to the Island.

After today I can honestly say Courtenay is going to have one of the finest if not THE finest DH runs in BC. Some quality stuff coming soon. Lets just say today I was totally blown away, I can't even explain.

[synchro]

darren, ned's is a designated intermediate run (but you probably know that anyway) and should be ridden that way. the work that will be done is primarily to fix drainage and eroison problems and then to slow the trail down a bit. itn will still be fast and fun, just not dh fast. the shore definitely needs a dh style run (one is potentially in the works) but i don't think that ned's is the best place for it

[Universe]

Originally posted by synchro
darren, ned's is a designated intermediate run (but you probably know that anyway) and should be ridden that way. the work that will be done is primarily to fix drainage and eroison problems and then to slow the trail down a bit. itn will still be fast and fun, just not dh fast. the shore definitely needs a dh style run (one is potentially in the works) but i don't think that ned's is the best place for it

Agreed in full Mark. You'll have to pay us a visit here to ride some goods. This DH run is sick sick sick.

[JSinclair]

You can ride on Cypress ? Can someone post all the directions to all the trails so I can bring my big bike up there and cut all the corners? I hate corners, they slow me down when I am going way fast dood.

Squamish...They have bikes there? I thought Squamishwas for climbing ?

:???:

[derwood]

All y'all bitching about trails getting beaten by hacks......go look at a DH course after a race weekend.

the corners get beaten by the good riders railing and pressing into the turns as well

Fast or slow,dirt gets hurt.....

[synchro]

Originally posted by derwood
All y'all bitching about trails getting beaten by hacks......go look at a DH course after a race weekend.

the corners get beaten by the good riders railing and pressing into the turns as well

Fast or slow,dirt gets hurt.....

exactly our point about the DH thing... if the racers want a trail to blaze they should be prepared to show up with shovels to keep it well maintained.

[TheGiggler]

Originally posted by derwood

Fast or slow,dirt gets hurt.....


i gotta argue this. speed def makes things worse. as do the big bikes.

extreme example: when i ride a rigid i don't normally go fast enough to ever really need to slam on the brakes, lock 'em up or rail corners.

same trail on a big bike and you're hauling ass, nailing brakes hard before corners, railing dirt out of the corner, etc, etc, basically trying to be like the racers. you could ride the big bike slow and do less damage, but where would the fun in that be...

lots of people don't agree with this, and think we're (some of us NSMBA folk) anti-big bike. which is probably true :)