King or Hadley ?

[bygdaug]

Rear Hub....Chris King or Hadley ?

[aShogunNamedMarcus]

If you got Bling.

Get the King.

[bygdaug]

But if the account is suffering "BADLY" there's nothing wrong with the "HADLEY" ?

[aShogunNamedMarcus]

Oh hell no. From what you can read in this gear forum, King and Hadley are relatively and respectively one and two on peoples list.

[sdwkubed]

Make sure you dont mind the noise of the King... the Hadley is loud, but the King is even louder....

[TheGiggler]

for sure... people either seem to love or hate the King noise.

but with a full face helmet on though it does not even matter, especially at speed.

[michelin man]

ya i love the noise let people know ur coming btw there like 600 for a chris rear hub eh?
hadley like 400?

[TheGiggler]

OT's reg price on CK rear is $460. that is pretty sweet. Hadley is not that much cheaper at OT... especially if you like the King sound ;)

[Nelson]

Originally posted by statix
OT's reg price on CK rear is $460. that is pretty sweet. Hadley is not that much cheaper at OT... especially if you like the King sound ;)

King and a Trials Freehub Hadley sound the same....

King has a 5 year warranty (only on Stainless freehub bodies), Hadley Has 3.

Hadley uses a Ti Freehub body, CK is only Alu or Steel.

Hadley I've found has awesome customer service.

Hadleys come in 150mm spacing and don't require special bearing adjustment tools.

I'd say both are on par....

[TheGiggler]

i don't know that i've ever heard the trials Hadley... reg Hadley isn't loud?

right you are about the rest. in fact, unless you can buy a king with Steel driveshell and solid axle you might even have to retrofit those (which is big $$$$). Alu drive shell is pretty stoopid.

[axx]

Cks and hadleys with the trials freehub make a humming noise. .The plain hadleys is a loud clicking. But I would say that chris kings really arnt that loud if they are greased properly.

[michelin man]

o the plain hadley is the one u always hear on whistler:???:

[axx]

Originally posted by michelin man
o the plain hadley is the one u always hear on whistler:???:

yup, it came on the norco team dh's.

[Rosscofat]

yup like the ringles. my CK is quiet till U let it coast then it gets loud. CK costomer service is unreal as well

[Nelson]

Originally posted by statix
i don't know that i've ever heard the trials Hadley... reg Hadley isn't loud?

right you are about the rest. in fact, unless you can buy a king with Steel driveshell and solid axle you might even have to retrofit those (which is big $$$$). Alu drive shell is pretty stoopid.

Trials Hadley has 108 engagement points, CK has 72, and a normal Hadley has 36.

Regular hadley is loud as hell....

[Rosscofat]

Originally posted by statix
i don't know that i've ever heard the trials Hadley... reg Hadley isn't loud?

right you are about the rest. in fact, unless you can buy a king with Steel driveshell and solid axle you might even have to retrofit those (which is big $$$$). Alu drive shell is pretty stoopid.


thos parts are easy to order from CK and cost under 100$ I was told.

[IFO]

i'd go Hadley....
:thepimp:

[Desloc]

Originally posted by Nelson
Trials Hadley has 108 engagement points, CK has 72, and a normal Hadley has 36.

Regular hadley is loud as hell....


Do you happen to know how much those 108pt Hadleys go for? I haven't heard much about them here.


And how about Hope? The Bulb has 36pt engagement and you'd think the seals should be quality being that England has a pretty nasty climate? Is the Hope Bulb not a contender for top rear hub?


Des

[Nelson]

Originally posted by Desloc
Do you happen to know how much those 108pt Hadleys go for? I haven't heard much about them here.


And how about Hope? The Bulb has 36pt engagement and you'd think the seals should be quality being that England has a pretty nasty climate? Is the Hope Bulb not a contender for top rear hub?


Des

I got a bit of a special deal on mine...

The normal ones retail $400 through Norco, Im thinkin the 108pt would be around $450 retail...

I wouldnt go hope simply cause warranty and parts would be a bitch.....

[Rosscofat]

hope isisnt that good they are in the UPPER class but not in the penthouse with CK and Hadley, if thompson made a hub i bet it be the winner

[Desloc]

Originally posted by Nelson
I got a bit of a special deal on mine...

The normal ones retail $400 through Norco, Im thinkin the 108pt would be around $450 retail...

I wouldnt go hope simply cause warranty and parts would be a bitch.....

Thanks for the info about the Hadley. Myself and a couple friends will be making the rear hub plunge in the next month or so.

You'd figure since the Queen of England is all over our $20 bill, Hope parts should be easy to come?


Des

[TheGiggler]

Originally posted by Rosscofat
thos parts are easy to order from CK and cost under 100$ I was told.


that's what i heard.

but call CK, they'll tell you that they only wanna ship in the US. so yeah, if you got somewhere to send it down there, sure.

otherwise they'll just tell you to contact Orange, the distributor up here or your LBS. and then I've been told it's about $100 for either driveshell or thruaxle/funbolts.

[Rosscofat]

same thing statix. but www.tsbshipping.com is where I shipp my stuff to smuggle and stuff like this looks like nothing to them :D

[TheGiggler]

i'll have to check that out. i hope they can send it to my door, i don't wanna drive down there :P

just curious, so do you know what the cost is for those parts when you get it shipped inside the US?

[sdwkubed]

When I was shopping for my rear hub I was told by a couple different peeps that the 108point engagement Hadley has a considerably shorter service interval, compared to the regular and that it should really only be used for DH races or trials riders, or if you dont mind tearing your rear hub apart every few months... does anyone know if that is true? (I bought the regular Hadley because of that info)

Have fun
T

[Nelson]

Originally posted by sdwkubed
When I was shopping for my rear hub I was told by a couple different peeps that the 108point engagement Hadley has a considerably shorter service interval, compared to the regular and that it should really only be used for DH races or trials riders, or if you dont mind tearing your rear hub apart every few months... does anyone know if that is true? (I bought the regular Hadley because of that info)

Have fun
T

the 108 point engagement uses the standard Hadley 3 pawls, 2 of which are offset. This means that only one pawl is holding on to the teeth. This is pretty sketch in the eyes of my trials buddies, but from a freeride and DH standpoint, it really makes no difference, since we arent doing pedal kicks and putting lots of power into that one pawl. The service life should be the same on either Hadley, and even at that, totally rebuilding a Hadley can be done in half an hour...

Im not too worried.

[bygdaug]

Is there a model number for the regular hadley ?

[Nelson]

Originally posted by bygdaug
Is there a model number for the regular hadley ?

Yeah, but it depends what width and color you want.

suzanne@hadleyracing.com will answer all your questions :)

[bygdaug]

Many thanx !!

[Rosscofat]

statix ill ask. I think its under 8$ shipping. and they could fit in a tiny box

[bygdaug]

Hadley SDH with the thru axle is $260.00 US to my door. And Gold to boot !! It's on it's way.

[Desloc]

Originally posted by bygdaug
Hadley SDH with the thru axle is $260.00 US to my door. And Gold to boot !! It's on it's way.

Is that the 135mm QR or 10mm Thru-Axle? 108 point freehub?

Thanks.


Des

[macki]

The engagement mechanism are completely different for each hub. The King uses the ring drive system as oppose to the pawl and ratchet system of the Hadley. In my opinion, the ring drive is a far superior system for short bursty engagements (ala trials - i.e., I think it is stronger).

[Rosscofat]

wow I thought hadley used ring. hmm I like ring because more of the weight in closer to the middle of the hub or atleast the inside.

[Nelson]

Originally posted by macki
The engagement mechanism are completely different for each hub. The King uses the ring drive system as oppose to the pawl and ratchet system of the Hadley. In my opinion, the ring drive is a far superior system for short bursty engagements (ala trials - i.e., I think it is stronger).

True. Ringdrive is much stronger for trials.

[Deweydude]

Give universal cycles a try for hadley hubs. UNIVERSAL ROCKS:rocker: And they are my LBS.. http://www.universalcycles.com/company.php?Company=Hadley

[just ride]

i was at jh the other day and saw the hadley sitting there for 450.. i was like wow.. i have like a 400 dollar hub under my ass.. feels pretty good i guess hahahaha
i have a king up front.. hadley in the rear, it all works perfect for me..

[bygdaug]

135 mm with the 10 mm thru axle

[Incorrigible]

I just ordered a Hadley for my m3. Seems good enough for that.

[Rosscofat]

any diagrams of rachet and prawl ect? i know ring drive seen it with my own eyes.

[Desloc]

Here's an exploded view of a Hope XC hub...

http://www.hopetech.com/technical/tech_XC_REAR.htm


Des

[Rosscofat]

is that ratchet or prawls?

[Desloc]

Yes :)



Des

[Rosscofat]

ok great your fucking with me. hahaha

[Desloc]

:D


It's a pawl and ratchet system which most hubs use.



This is for the Hope Bulb...

http://www.hopetech.com/technical/images/Rear%20Cassette%20hub%20inst.PDF



Des

[Rosscofat]

I see. I thought thos were 2 diff.

[peachy-B]

how about a diagram for the ringdrive? :D

[Desloc]

Chris King has great documentation...

http://www.chrisking.com/pdfs/CLASSIC-rear.pdf



Tech movies... http://www.chrisking.com/tech/tech_movies.html



Des

[Rosscofat]

bingo :D hahah chris king is the shit :D to take that whole thing apart takes less then 5 min TOPS aswell all pops out super fast and easy

[bygdaug]

King hubs are arguably the finest on the market. Meticulously machined and anodized to a perfect finish, these hubs are built for a lifetime of abuse. The rear hub features massively oversized bolts, providing a tight, solid fit and maximum stiffness. 36 pawls allow near-continuous engagement. The hubs also weigh in at substantially less than many other DH-specific hubs.


I took this off the www.go-ride.com website. Why does it say 36 pawls ? I thought ring and pawl drives were different?

[Rosscofat]

I agree? I dunno. Prawls on the ring drive could be what they are refering 2

[peachy-B]

Originally posted by Rosscofat
bingo :D hahah chris king is the shit :D to take that whole thing apart takes less then 5 min TOPS aswell all pops out super fast and easy


but don't u need the CK tool to press that bearing in... just as shown in that movie?

[Rosscofat]

oh to PRESS the bearing in yes. but u they also say you need a headset press to put in a headset.. and im sure everyone has that.

[muckett]

I've just about talked myself into the Hadley's instead of the Kings mostly b/c of the fact that i have a 12mm rear axle. Unless i'm mistaken, you can't use a king with a 12mm T/A can you??

[Krusty Rider]

King doesn't make a 150mm hub yet either, so if you have the wider rear end then it will be Hadley for sure. I've been running the DT Swiss hub on my Wilson frame for about 8 months now. Haven't touched it and still runs smooth as new. They make it in all configurations as well. About the same price as the CK hub. Maybe a little cheaper.

[Desloc]

225 g of 6 pawl engagement...

http://www.amclassic.com/Hubs_Rear.html#



Des

[Nelson]

Originally posted by Desloc
225 g of 6 pawl engagement...

http://www.amclassic.com/Hubs_Rear.html#



Des

Nice hubs for XC racing and roadies.....;)

[Rosscofat]

6 prawl. no way hahaha crazy

[Desloc]

Originally posted by Nelson
Nice hubs for XC racing and roadies.....;)


Are you saying that XC racers and roadies are not hard on hubs? ;)



Des

[bygdaug]

If it's a 108 point engagement hub, when u turn the freewheel how many clicks should you hear...36 ?

[bygdaug]

One more thing...are they all covertable to a 10mm thru axle ?

[bygdaug]

I need to something quick.....is the axle size 10mm or 12mm specific to the bike ?

[sdwkubed]

Yes... your bike's dropouts will be set at a specific size.... 10mm x 135mm, 12mm x 150mm, etc.

Have fun
T