My sub 40lb DH bike.

[Wayne P]

Well, it's just under 40lbs. but who cares?

Rides very light and is so much fun. Climbs like my Heckler did. Very agile on the tight stuff too. It's also the most quiet DH bike I've ever built, probably due to the E13.

Soon there will be an 8" Boxxer Team, an X0 derailleur, and Avid Juicy 7's on it. The Louise will be for sale soon.

Parts list:

-Medium '04 Ollie (clear coated).
-'04 Boxxer World Cup with new stanchions and Black Box internals.
-Mavic 721 rims on Formula Hubs
-Magura Louise FR's with 210mm and 190mm rotors
-SRAM X9 rear der.
-SRAM X0 shifter
-SRAM chain
-Truvativ Holzie cranks and Team post
-E13 SRS guide
-Easton EA70 bar and Vice stem
-Cane Creek HS
-WTB Ti rail saddle
-Maxxis Minion sticky tires

[Desloc]

Sub 40lbs for a Devinci FR... pretty sweet :thepimp:


Des

[corey@nsmb.com]

Wow! Thats a nice looking rig...and below 40lbs? What is the secret?

The E13 is silent eh? One of the first things I noticed on my new rig too.

Looking good man!

[corey@nsmb.com]

...why not the Wilson?

[*Pepe*]

i noticed you're getting the small. can i ask how tall you are?

[Wayne P]

I wanted a small frame for the low head tube, and we only had small Ollies in stock. Plus I liked the green better than the black (same frames otherwise).

I'm 5'9" with short legs. and a long torso, so I'm rather freakish. The Devinci's fit big, the small feels like medium BB7's and V10's.

[ruff]

ah sweet build!

I'm debating if I want to put my 8-Flat-8 on a diet.

66RC or a Breakout Plus
A lighter wheel set.
What else should I do?

[Wayne P]

Originally posted by ruff
ah sweet build!

I'm debating if I want to put my 8-Flat-8 on a diet.

66RC or a Breakout Plus
A lighter wheel set.
What else should I do?

Well, fork and wheels are the most important, then whatever else you can do to combine weight savings after that will help (ie: Ti rail saddle with a light post)

...oh, I forgot to mention I'm running Stan's on there too.

[ruff]

Originally posted by Wayne Parsons
Well, fork and wheels are the most important, then whatever else you can do to combine weight savings after that will help (ie: Ti rail saddle with a light post)


Thanks for the tips! :beer:

[thewwkayaker]

I'm jealous of the Juicy's your getting!!

My Wilson I'm sure isn't anywhere near as light as yours (haven't weighed it yet). Rohloff doesn't help in the weight - but I do like it more on this bike than my old big bike or my hardtail for some reason.

Wheels and fork are the most critical as you've pointed out. With the new fork your getting will the weight increase or did the 04 WC boxxers not use ti springs? My 729 wheels, Mich. 2.5 tires, Rohloff hub are my biggest problems for weight. Thus mine doesn't feel light and easy to pedal (my 5-spot is easy to throw around and climb while the Wilson is like a tank and with such a long wheel base would rather I just keep going straight - it's the exact opposite of my Turner). I guess a small size helps in weight and shrink the wheelbase too! At 6' I don't fit a small.

Yeah the green is nicer than the black but what could I do?? :-)

[*Pepe*]

Originally posted by Wayne Parsons

I'm rather freakish.

despite the fact we have never actually met... i'd say so... :D

thanks for the info.

[Nelson]

I heard those bikes sucked....:rolleyes:

[TheGiggler]

Wayne:

I'd buy you louises, depending on what you want for them of course... but I'm very interested.

Why are you getting rid of them?

[thewwkayaker]

statix - he's a team rider and SRAM is a sponser so he needs to use SRAM parts (like Juicy brakes). Must suck having to switch to Juicy7s (for free). Sigh - the pitfalls of sponsership - which I had it so rough! :-)

[Solar_mtb]

Ooh, sweet. you're riding on titanium springs up font, huh? thats totally :thepimp:

[ShoreIH]

That looks so much like my friends bike its scary. Awesome ride!

[Trini-dad72]

I love the bike too. I just put a Breakout on mine, but I have yet to ride it properly:(
It needs to go to Cap's... I ride a small too, and I am 5'11" Wayne is right, it feels like a med in TT length, and thats why I like the size. I'll post pics one day...

[derwood]

whats with the funny pedals?:D

[Wayne P]

Like wwkayaker said, I'm now under contract to use all SRAM/Rock Shox/Avid product. Even so, I'd still buy all that stuff anyway! (a contract doesn't account for the 5 Boxxers I've owned in the past!)

I'll sell the brakes for $300 if they remain in the condition they're in now, which they should be by the time I get my Avids. Sucks that I have to sell a new set of brakes, but oh well, it's not like I'm stepping down with the Avids! Those were my first choice anyway but weren't available when I needed brakes.

I don't have ti springs in my fork, BUT I think the new '05 Boxxer and the '04 have the same stanchions, so I can use my slippery silver ones in the new fork. We'll see if that's true.

Funny pedals??? They rule! Besides they were free and never used, yet very ugly.

[trail worker]

cool looking ride.
my lightest freeride to date has been my bullit. before I got the doubletrack front wheel and put on a chainguide, I was at 32lbs...now I figure it weighs around 34-35 at most..when i finish school and start working again I can easily bring it back down to 30lbs though I bet.

[switch]

Originally posted by Wayne Parsons
Funny pedals??? They rule! Besides they were free and never used, yet very ugly.
Are those DX pedals?

Very nice setup. :)

[pump]

Nice set up!

[ATN]

Originally posted by trail worker
cool looking ride.
my lightest freeride to date has been my bullit. before I got the doubletrack front wheel and put on a chainguide, I was at 32lbs...now I figure it weighs around 34-35 at most..when i finish school and start working again I can easily bring it back down to 30lbs though I bet.

Same scale as you measure your lack of trade school weight gain on?

I could maybe see those weights happening, but then my HT was 31 when it had XC treads on. Every single component on your bike would be heavier than mine... frame itself by at least 3 lbs.

Very nice ride Wayne! Boxxer pride for sure... I don't think I gained more than half a pound after switching from a Z150 to a 2002 Boxxer. Performance is great too.

[trail worker]

Originally posted by ATN
Same scale as you measure your lack of trade school weight gain on?

I could maybe see those weights happening, but then my HT was 31 when it had XC treads on. Every single component on your bike would be heavier than mine... frame itself by at least 3 lbs.

Hmm, i can't find the thread I posted when i was first looking to lighten it, but I do recall the number being 32lbs.
at the time I was running the 02 boxxer, alex DM24's(very light), no chainguide, light rubber and XC tubes.
the biggest weight savings came from using XC tubes. I saved something like a full pound on each wheel from using the XC tubes.

[Mountain Dewd]

I know a lot of people swear by those red shimanos but i think they are kinda ugly, other than that pointless gripe that looks like one sweet freaking ride, have fun with 'er.

[mace2]

out of curiosity, why are you going to swap the boxxer world cup for a boxxer team?

or am i mistaken?

[JSinclair]

Originally posted by mace2
out of curiosity, why are you going to swap the boxxer world cup for a boxxer team?

or am i mistaken?

An additional inch of travel 2005 = 8 inches.

Sub 40 lbs wayne ?...so sexy.

Justin why would you take your bike to Caps?

mmmm....I miss my bike.

[Trini-dad72]

Originally posted by JSinclair


Justin why would you take your bike to Caps?

mmmm....I miss my bike.

Well J, I need to get it overhauled, full meal deal on the maintenance, I bought the bike bike at Cap's New West, and they do right by me.The fork, needs to go to OGC, cause it's making top out noises, "clunk" when I pull up, the rebound does not work either. I traded my Super T, for the Breakout SPV. I rode it once, and it was perfect. The 2nd time I went for a ride, it got grumpy. So off it has to go.

[JSinclair]

Originally posted by jaru72
Well J, I need to get it overhauled, full meal deal on the maintenance, I bought the bike bike at Cap's New West, and they do right by me.The fork, needs to go to OGC, cause it's making top out noises, "clunk" when I pull up, the rebound does not work either. I traded my Super T, for the Breakout SPV. I rode it once, and it was perfect. The 2nd time I went for a ride, it got grumpy. So off it has to go.

Cool as long as they have good mechanics. I understand you might get a free tune up for buying the bike there, but best to have someone knowledgeable working on the thing keeping your ass outta the hospital you know?

I do all my own work, but if I have to I only trust 3 guys with my rig. Omar (Retired) James at OGC for fork work. and One guy at steed...and even then I stand and "Help"

I am sure james will sort you out. He likes Beer!

[pete]

Wow sliders are breaking left right and center!

[thewwkayaker]

Wayne - what size tires are you using? If it's the 2.35 front and rear then you'd be saving about .4lbs compared to my 2.5Mich.

I'm trying to find out where you are saving so much weight!!! Mine weighs 45lbs! :-(

You save about .44lbs using 721 instead of my 321(729)rims. Fork - did the WC boxxer use Ti springs? Weight? I've currently got a SuperT but planning to change that. My Rohloff adds about 1lbs. I don't use a chainguide or even a small ring (just the med. ring and bash). Seat is the WTB chromo vs your Ti but now we are nickel and diming. My cranks are RF Turbines - lighter than the Diabolous/DH and the cheap RF cranks - I doubt if you save much if anything on your cranks compared to mine. I need much less chain, and you probably saved about max .5lbs for S vs. M. Heck I'd be happy to lose about 3lbs off my bike (and more off of me! :-)

All and all I can calc. about 2.5lbs diff. between our bikes, ignoring the fork. Anything else I missed (I don't doubt your weight, I just want to see where I'm gaining so much more).?

[switch]

Originally posted by pete
Wow sliders are breaking left right and center!

Your powers of observation are impressive.

[switch]

Originally posted by thewwkayaker
Seat is the WTB chromo vs your Ti but now we are nickel and diming.

There might be as much as a 200g difference between the two saddles. That's almost 1/2 lb.

Drop the Michelin Comp 16s and go with 2.5" Kenda Nevegals with the Kevlar beed. Saving will be about 2 lbs.

Bars, stem, seatpost. You might save 1lb there.

Add that to the different rims, and you could get a 4lb drop in weight.

[corey@nsmb.com]

...I haven't seen the kevlar bead Nevegal work very well for DH applications.

My experience is limited...but my friend Blair had one over the summer and was blowing it out every single ride despite running higher pressure...while my wire bead Nevegal at 20psi was fine..I didn't flat once all summer.

[switch]

That's why mine lasted one ride before swapping it out for a 2.7" Blue Groove with DH casing. Sidewalls were way too soft to run lower pressures.

But I thought DH racers run higher pressures, so it might not be an issue.

The Kevlar bead in the 2.35" version does work very well for either the Nevegal or Blue Groove. No sidewall or lower pressure issues with this tire.

[thewwkayaker]

OK the seat could be up to .4lbs lighter (lightest seat they have is the Rocket V Stealth at 195g but it goes up quickly from there so I'll assume Wayne uses the Rocket V Stealth for .4lbs loss).

Tires - unless you go kevlar which I find suck, you get no weight loss. And Waynes bike isn't using kevlar bead unless Minnions come in kevlar. There are 2ply and 1ply though - I'd need to know which version he runs as that makes a weight savings - but again probably prone to pinching more (or in his case he'd need to run higher pressures to prevent the tire from burping air). Since I've only ever used XC tubes the weight savings from tubeless is non-existent.

My seatpost is a Thompson so unless I used carbon not much of a weight savings there.

Bar - yeah perhaps as I have a RF diablous fat bar and my stem is just a cheap stem that came from a different bike. Mind you together they weigh just over a 1lbs so unless I go carbon I wouldn't save a heck of a lot.

[jeremyb]

My DH bike is sub 40lbs (just!) with a steel frame, wheels are the answer, Hope Bulb hubs & Mavic F519 rims, super light wheelset, both wheels weigh about the same as one of my old D321/Hugi wheels!

Either run XC tubes (Maxxis do a 2.35 one) or go ghetto / stans, I've got ghetto in the front and a dh tube in the rear (had troubles getting rear to seal and had to go riding so flagged it...)

Next step is light forks and you're away, the rest is simple stuff, XT cassette etc..

[Bryce]

I'll be stoked when I have a sub-180 lb body, I'm such a fat turd these days :D

[Wayne P]

Well I'm not that into number crunching Dennis.

...but, I'm using a set of Holzfellers, Easton EA70 bar and Vice stem, WTB whatever crazy light TI RAIL saddle (as I mentioned earlier), 2.5" tires, X0 Shifter and full SRAM kit - all on a small frame - which probably will add up to about 4lbs. of savings. I can't see how a Roloff is only that much heavier than my drivetrain.

Remember it all adds up! You'd be surprised of how much weight you can take off your bike in total.

[Ed Anger]

Originally posted by jeremyb
... Mavic F519 rims....

How much do you weigh? 32 or 36 hole? How's the durability under DH/FR usage?