BMXERS/ 4X INDOOR ABBOTSFORD ARENA

[Gary Harder]

Calling you Bmxers and 4xers,
Abbotsford indoor (at the Agrifair Arena 32470 haida dr.) opens this saturday nov13th.
bmx racing and a 4x Mtn bike series. $12entry fee.
licensed cycling bc members need only a $15bmx cruiser upgrade and your ready.
Low key, warm,heavy on the fun and free spectating make the indoor one of a kind.
family max. rates $15wed/ $25fri/ $30 sat/sun. lots of practice nights $5.
I will be putting up a set of dirt jumps as well.
Racers from as far away as Quebec come out,U.S. riders as well.
4xers can come out and race any race dates.
pixs and videos of indoor on our website, www.abbotsfordbmx.ca
The more it rains the better we look!
please feel free to e-mail me if you want more info.
signed,
Gary Harder
bgharder@shaw.ca


:thepimp:

[Action Hero]

Originally posted by Gary Harder

I will be putting up a set of dirt jumps as well.


Interesting, Do you have any idea when these will be constructed. (I'd email you, but I feel you would profit more by announcing it on the BB)

[GRIZZ]

nice i will prolly be there

[|2ipper]

i'm down for that

[freerida69]

the djs will most likley be up during the longer december build of the track due to haveing it for a month then a week at a time
you can ask me any questions and i will forward them to my dad (steve baxter) as he is the vice president of the club

[Nick2468]

WHEELIE KID

btw how is cca letting you have these jumps built while there is a race track?

[Jev]

If there is anyone from North Van heading out for 4X, I'd gladly pony up some gas money for a lift... :)

[LOBOTIDULATOR]

so is there gonna be dj's when the track isnt built or something, because good luck putting them in with a track there = no space

[Nick2468]

and power hungry cca members who like to rage and screw people over :mad:

[freerida69]

were aloud to have dj's were desginig tracks that owuld have the dirt jumps in between the straights we were trying to get a foam pit but the cca wont cover for insurance

[Nick2468]

well that sounds like fun but i have a feeling little kids are going to murder them selves on the jumps and break race bikes not even racing but jumping

[allex]

Originally posted by Nick2468
well that sounds like fun but i have a feeling little kids are going to murder them selves on the jumps and break race bikes not even racing but jumping

DO YOU WANT THE JUMPS OR NOT?

[Trini-dad72]

NOICE! You see this is why I want to build that ol Pipeline AND find me a cheep 24" Crusier BMX. To go out and get my ass kicked, and have fun doing it!!!:D

[Gary Harder]

Dirt Jumps
Those who have come out to indoor know we build good BMX tracks.
From the elevating the starting gate in a indoor venue,to the first in BC of the newest item a electronic moto board to make things run smoooth.
Last year we ran a small 4x and it was fun,laid back and lots of different riders came out. Entry fee is reasonable,our concession is fair,and the music ,well I am a Neil Young fan and not all shared my taste.
A BMX track is dirt jumps,and some are bigger than you realize.
whether you are a Dher or BMXer or DJer.
We are primarily a Indoor BMX track / 4x mtn bike track.
DJ--Were going to start small (the first ones nov13 on will be small and we will see if we can keep pushing the size) and put in a couple of spooned kickers,how it will be done exactly will be decided on the spot as we build.
The A-line is a testament to me any ways on how to build safe big jumps,table them.
the Bmx track is full of tables,stepup/downs,rythms etc..
there are no trees on a indoor track or big rocks ,the dirt is fairly soft,and some of those little kids can manual and jump far better than we give them credit for.
they do it every race.
the dirt jumps if they work as we have planned will only be open for practices,we have lots of pratice days . Will be between the last two straights, unless we can find a better location. Will be built by someone who knows what they are doing.
Abbotsford BMX runs the indoor ,we have always done this proffessionally.
Cycling bc has given us all the support we have asked for,they are our sanctioning body, but we run the races. think positive. gh

[GRIZZ]

need any help building or setting up let me know or pm me..after the fun i ahd racing two eyars ago i would gladly help you out

[LOBOTIDULATOR]

good luck with that one chief. in between the last 2 straight? i fail too see where you would get the run in. perhaps the WALL on one side, and the pile of bikes that gets put at the other WALL. i dont think your being realistic at all. Stop trying to cater to everyone, its a bmx track, not MOTO JAM EXTRAVAGANZA

[GRIZZ]

man he is trying to make it a good time for everyone if he cant fit them in who cares...he made an attempt and that is cool

[|2ipper]

Originally posted by LOBOTIDULATOR
good luck with that one chief. in between the last 2 straight? i fail too see where you would get the run in. perhaps the WALL on one side, and the pile of bikes that gets put at the other WALL. i dont think your being realistic at all. Stop trying to cater to everyone, its a bmx track, not MOTO JAM EXTRAVAGANZA

your just crying because you know you wont be able to do them.

i think its a great idea

[Robot]

Originally posted by LOBOTIDULATOR
good luck with that one chief. in between the last 2 straight? i fail too see where you would get the run in. perhaps the WALL on one side, and the pile of bikes that gets put at the other WALL. i dont think your being realistic at all. Stop trying to cater to everyone, its a bmx track, not MOTO JAM EXTRAVAGANZA

Dude, why are you being such an ass? Gary has been building BMX tracks for ages and, if anyone can pull this off, it'd be Gary and Abbotsford BMX. Remember, this is an organization that attracts racers from all over Canada - obviously what they're doing is popular and effective.

If the dirt jump thing doesn't work, so be it. But, hell, he's trying to put together a safe venue that keeps kids off the streets and away from gangs, asskickings, and crystal meth.

If you don't think he can do it, keep your lame opinions to yourself.

[Gary Harder]

Abbotsford indoor -------www.abbotsfordbmx.ca--
If you are coming out for the BMX racing /4x-- dirt jumps, there are a couple of things you need to know. (you need a cycling bc license available at the track) or 30day permit. licenses will be prorated to dec30/05
We will be building the bmx track this friday,and finish it off sat. noonish.
We have four builds, each track is different,and the first day is always the softest.
A roller is brought in to make the track as smooth as possible.
We will go to race just after six and be finished by eight approx.
After that the track is open for practice ,usually for an hour .
Sunday we race in the morning signup is 10am -10:45 we go to race just after 11am and finish no later than 12:30 -1pm .
If you have registered to race ,there is no charge for the practice that starts from 1-6pm. Some riders may just want to practice and we charge $5.
BMXers and 4Xers hit the gate over and over,the importance of getting the snap out of the gate cannot be over stressed.
BMX /4X races are fast and over quickly, just like dh races.
NOTE:--- The Agrifair arena is fairly big and we will be dividing the floor in half.
Half the track (N section) will be for gates and practicing the first and second straight , we will then reroute them back to the gate.
Few riders do the whole course during practice anyway,the gate starts are that important.
The other half of the track will be for jumping.
Free admission to watch, and with all the riders/jumpers around here we will learn quickly what we need to do and do it. keep a eye on our website ,or just e-mail me . Take your pegs off. No bar ends ,as if anyone has those anymore eh?
Our website should have all the info. Dust off that old steed, put on some pads and come on out and have some fun,and race . It's that easy.
Note every Thursday is coachs training ,pay an extra $5. and get coaching.
I will see if I can get some jumpers to hold a session as well, don't hold me to that ,as I have yet to ask anyone this ,but sounds good to me. gh:thepimp:

[LOBOTIDULATOR]

Originally posted by Robot
Dude, why are you being such an ass? Gary has been building BMX tracks for ages and, if anyone can pull this off, it'd be Gary and Abbotsford BMX. Remember, this is an organization that attracts racers from all over Canada - obviously what they're doing is popular and effective.

If the dirt jump thing doesn't work, so be it. But, hell, he's trying to put together a safe venue that keeps kids off the streets and away from gangs, asskickings, and crystal meth.

If you don't think he can do it, keep your lame opinions to yourself.

hey i respect him putting it on, i just think that with a proper track, there isnt a hell of alot of room, and iff there was room, it would be tiny. why would you try to pack things even more close together. the indoor track wasnt big.

[Trini-dad72]

Is anyone going to go spectate?? I want to go!! Anyone?

[Nick2468]

Originally posted by Gary Harder
Abbotsford indoor -------www.abbotsfordbmx.ca--
If you are coming out for the BMX racing /4x-- dirt jumps, there are a couple of things you need to know. (you need a cycling bc license available at the track) or 30day permit. licenses will be prorated to dec30/05
We will be building the bmx track this friday,and finish it off sat. noonish.
We have four builds, each track is different,and the first day is always the softest.
A roller is brought in to make the track as smooth as possible.
We will go to race just after six and be finished by eight approx.
After that the track is open for practice ,usually for an hour .
Sunday we race in the morning signup is 10am -10:45 we go to race just after 11am and finish no later than 12:30 -1pm .
If you have registered to race ,there is no charge for the practice that starts from 1-6pm. Some riders may just want to practice and we charge $5.
BMXers and 4Xers hit the gate over and over,the importance of getting the snap out of the gate cannot be over stressed.

BMX /4X races are fast and over quickly, just like dh races.
NOTE:--- The Agrifair arena is fairly big and we will be dividing the floor in half.
Half the track (N section) will be for gates and practicing the first and second straight , we will then reroute them back to the gate.
Few riders do the whole course during practice anyway,the gate starts are that important.
The other half of the track will be for jumping.
Free admission to watch, and with all the riders/jumpers around here we will learn quickly what we need to do and do it. keep a eye on our website ,or just e-mail me . Take your pegs off. No bar ends ,as if anyone has those anymore eh?
Our website should have all the info. Dust off that old steed, put on some pads and come on out and have some fun,and race . It's that easy.
Note every Thursday is coachs training ,pay an extra $5. and get coaching.
I will see if I can get some jumpers to hold a session as well, don't hold me to that ,as I have yet to ask anyone this ,but sounds good to me. gh:thepimp:

so it seems like your telling us that we wont be able to ride the last 2 straights in our practice?

if you ask me thats a joke we wont be able to practice the last 2 straights at our practice times because these jumps are getting in the way

[Jev]

Originally posted by Nick2468
so it seems like your telling us that we wont be able to ride the last 2 straights in our practice?

if you ask me thats a joke we wont be able to practice the last 2 straights at our practice times because these jumps are getting in the way

You and everyone else won't be able to practice the last two straights. You will be at the same disadvantage as everyone else.

[Nick2468]

yes but that is stupid

i figured this would happen the track is getting sacraficed so jumps can be had

[Gary Harder]

I am starting to get sorry ,that I put the fact a set of dj's would be put in.
We are a indoor BMX /4x track, during our many practices,lots of rides show and it is really laid back. We are not a metrojam dirtjumpers destination.
The dj idea is to give us a little extra fun for the riders who regularly come out.
Like I said the first set,will be small ,we will see if it works or not (I can already see the ugly comments ,like lame coming up). The dec. period will be the litmus test . Indoor Bike racing is best in winter. The riding around here is too good during better weather. Yes the place will be jammed with bikes,lots of kids,familys. We will be open for practically the whole month of dec.
If the arena was twice as big ,I would put a larger BMX track ,and a huge set and small set of jumps, complete with a plywood dropin. In trying to add some more fun , we are open to ideas and input. But--- anyone know of indoor bmx bike park ,which could charge $5 for five hours of practice? a $15 family rate max on wed. night races? a family max on most days. where everyone of our members works for free? Most indoors open for one weekend and charge accordingly.
once racing is over you are off the track. BMX is a small world and the indoor costs are huge, equipment cost is $200per hr. when we are building ,stress.
Don't throw the present away and play with the wrapping. If the dj turn into controversy central, it will be noticed and we will have to deal with it.
Give us the chance to try and make it work. We have a family atmosphere here and want to keep it that way. DON'T FORGET THE BMX/4X.
check out our website we keep it up todate ,and it has lots of answers. a video/pixs. this will be my last response ,as I will be too busy working on getting things going. vote with your feet, don't like it don't come. gh

[aShogunNamedMarcus]

Originally posted by Nick2468
yes but that is stupid

i figured this would happen the track is getting sacraficed so jumps can be had

Its only stupid in your eyes. There have been <plenty of> times when partial course closures have happened on the BC Cup or even in Whistler for various reasons. In your previous post you also said its a joke "you wont be able to practice the last 2 straights"... its a straight, what do you need to practise?

You seem to be one the 10% of people who cant be satisfied unless you have your way. Gary is doing everyone a favour while trying to keep everyone happy. As you can see, it doesnt always pan out.

Before you go and slag me for whatever reasons, I'm only saying this because I hate seeing people like Gary who are putting a lot of time and effort into something only to be slagged by a grom on the net who, without the efforts of people like Gary, wouldnt have a place in Abby to race most likely.

[Nick2468]

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
Its only stupid in your eyes. There have been <plenty of> times when partial course closures have happened on the BC Cup or even in Whistler for various reasons. In your previous post you also said its a joke "you wont be able to practice the last 2 straights"... its a straight, what do you need to practise?

obviously you have never done a competitive bmx race in your life... every straight counts you need to find your line and other such things

[aShogunNamedMarcus]

Originally posted by Nick2468
obviously you have never done a competitive bmx race in your life... every straight counts you need to find your line and other such things

Nope. Not one. That obvious?

[allex]

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
Nope. Not one. That obvious?

it is acctually quite obvious that you have never raced, judging by your last comment

[Nick2468]

Originally posted by aShogunNamedMarcus
Its only stupid in your eyes. There have been <plenty of> times when partial course closures have happened on the BC Cup or even in Whistler for various reasons. In your previous post you also said its a joke "you wont be able to practice the last 2 straights"... its a straight, what do you need to practise?

You seem to be one the 10% of people who cant be satisfied unless you have your way. Gary is doing everyone a favour while trying to keep everyone happy. As you can see, it doesnt always pan out.

Before you go and slag me for whatever reasons, I'm only saying this because I hate seeing people like Gary who are putting a lot of time and effort into something only to be slagged by a grom on the net who, without the efforts of people like Gary, wouldnt have a place in Abby to race most likely.

me and lobotidulator are the only actual bmx racers who have posted in here so that probably makes your 10% there for no one else knows the importance of doing the whole track and getting to know it

gary is a great guy and i am so greatful of him for giving us a place to race during winter. its just that this doesnt seem to make much sense to me closing off the last 2 straights

[cheryl@nsmb.com]

I can't believe people are complaining about adding some djs to an indoor situation.
Why always the negivity? Having some dirtjumps seems like a blast. You are forgetting it's supposed to be fun. And the only things you should say to the person who organizes something as cool as an indoor racing and riding opportunity in Canada is THANK YOU.
The rest of the province would like to be so lucky as to have an indoor anything for bikes.

[allex]

Originally posted by cheryl@nsmb.com
I can't believe people are complaining about adding some djs to an indoor situation.
Why always the negivity? Having some dirtjumps seems like a blast. You are forgetting it's supposed to be fun. And the only things you should say to the person who organizes something as cool as an indoor racing and riding opportunity in Canada is THANK YOU.
The rest of the province would like to be so lucky as to have an indoor anything for bikes.

they are complaining because they want to practice the course, in order to win. (although nick will never win):rolleyes:

[derwood]

Bunch o freakin whiners!

you know what I want?

An indoor DH course,where the finish puts you at the top of the course again!:cool:


Thanks,Gary,for putting all your spare time into giving the kids something positive to do!

[cheryl@nsmb.com]

I guess I just don't get why you can't win without practicing two stretches. Won't everyone be in the same boat? I have raced indoor bmx and the course was built the day before and we had one hour of practice before race time and it was still a great race.

[Loopie]

Originally posted by cheryl@nsmb.com
I can't believe people are complaining about adding some djs to an indoor situation.
Why always the negivity? Having some dirtjumps seems like a blast. You are forgetting it's supposed to be fun. And the only things you should say to the person who organizes something as cool as an indoor racing and riding opportunity in Canada is THANK YOU.
The rest of the province would like to be so lucky as to have an indoor anything for bikes.
A-freakin-men.
Like jeeze eh?!

I think an indoor DJ/bridge/ramp set up would do OK here, and I bet there's a cheap enough empty building somewhere. I've seriously considered firing one up....but no way could it support itself thru the summer:(

[cheryl@nsmb.com]

Ya our season is way too short to need indoor and our town is too small. I can dream though......

[LOBOTIDULATOR]

the not needing the last 2 straights comment is ridiculas. in the previous post, gary wrote most people turn off anyways. have you wonderd why they are turning off? they are practising either gates, or jumping. that leaves the rhythem. its said that races are won and lost at the gate, but the rhythem its a HUGE part of the race. it closes the gap between riders, and has lots of opportunity to pass. wouldnt that be needed for the race? and then last straight. you need a good line. the last straight is usually unpacked and that can lead to trouble.

like i said before, the track was small enough last year, and to me, its completely unrealistic to jamm dj's in there. sure, its a good THOUGHT, but who knows where we would be if we all carried out all of our thoughts.

[blunt boy]

Isn't there any other time to practice the last two straights other than right before the race? Anyway, I sure hope I can get over there to enjoy some indoor racing action this winter.

[Nick2468]

somethin i forgot to add before...
wont not riding the last 2 straights have them not get packed?

[Trini-dad72]

Just a thought... And mind that I have not raced BMX ever, but I have played on the Action BMX track in Surrey, and gone to LaFarge to watch 4X...

Could the jumps be built BETWEEN the last two straights? Therefore using the berm of the last corner as the run-in? It seemed to work at LaFarge, and it would give riders a run-in to practice the rhythym as well. If they could set up a turn based system, so that folks would get a fair shot at the discepline(sp?) that they do.

[freerida69]

that is what we are planning to do, most logical reason to me and a few other ppl, we wont be shuting down the last 2 straights for the whole nights, jsut set times, or when enuff ppl want to use the jumps for a certain amount of time, we'll corden off the straights and jumps when either one isnt being used, and you wont lose your precious time on the last 2 straights( and by the way nick, i race bmx too :rolleyes: ) and i now have a 20, woot woot

[Nick2468]

Originally posted by freerida69
that is what we are planning to do, most logical reason to me and a few other ppl, we wont be shuting down the last 2 straights for the whole nights, jsut set times, or when enuff ppl want to use the jumps for a certain amount of time, we'll corden off the straights and jumps when either one isnt being used, and you wont lose your precious time on the last 2 straights( and by the way nick, i race bmx too :rolleyes: ) and i now have a 20, woot woot

i forgot about you it didnt register because you raced mtb

your probly gonna be racing me and taylor now that you have bmx how old are you?

[freerida69]

im turning 15 on friday

[Lady Gravity]

Originally posted by Nick2468
me and lobotidulator are the only actual bmx racers who have posted in here so that probably makes your 10% there for no one else knows the importance of doing the whole track and getting to know it

gary is a great guy and i am so greatful of him for giving us a place to race during winter. its just that this doesnt seem to make much sense to me closing off the last 2 straights

i race. i agree - when i practice i like to ride the whole track, not just the first 2 sets. and btw, it's not "straight", ie flat track, the whole thing has jumps, whoopdedoos and berms. mind you, im not pro, it's pretty much just the pros that only ride the 2 first sets.

however...i'll wait and see what the track looks like before commenting any further. one thing that i'm curious about though, is, how are the dj'ers going to get speed up to do the jumps? the ramp is at the beginning :???:

[freerida69]

before anymore bashing goes on, why dont we all wait and see what it will be like on saterday, it may be great, it may be crap this first build is a test, so try and go at it open minded people. its alot of hard work building and running the track.

[LOBOTIDULATOR]

what i cant understand is why you arent catering to the majority. i can see 80-90% with race bikes, 10% with bikes that can be actually dirt jumped. why bother? dont fix what isnt broken

[Trini-dad72]

Originally posted by freerida69
before anymore bashing goes on, why dont we all wait and see what it will be like on saterday, it may be great, it may be crap this first build is a test, so try and go at it open minded people. its alot of hard work building and running the track.

I'm with him.

Lady G, you'd use the last berm as the run-in for the DJ's

[Formulaphoto]

Man...people don't realize how lucky they are. Bitch bitch, moan moan. When I get back in Dec I'll be coming out!

[Nick2468]

Originally posted by jaru72
I'm with him.

Lady G, you'd use the last berm as the run-in for the DJ's

using the last berm as a run in is going to rut it out like mad

and lady g you ride a blue norco crusier dont you?

[Trini-dad72]

What if you laid down carpet? Forgive ny n00b-ness, I am just trying to see from both sides, and give solutions however silly they may be.

[Nick2468]

carpet works great for packing it but it will still rut it out a bit... look at lafarge ride down the carpeted part on the berm and its bumpy as hell

[LOBOTIDULATOR]

Originally posted by jaru72
What if you laid down carpet? Forgive ny n00b-ness, I am just trying to see from both sides, and give solutions however silly they may be.

its a good idea, but unlike lafarge, indoors main purpose is racing. racing on carpeted berms isnt good.

[Lady Gravity]

Originally posted by Nick2468
and lady g you ride a blue norco crusier dont you?

yup thats me

[Trini-dad72]

no no no... erm remove the carpet before racing?

I give up.

[freerida69]

jesus nick havent you had enough fun bashing this yet?:rolleyes: your making it sound like were turning into some x games event, all we are doing is added a few small dirt jumps to see what its like, if it doesnt work, so be it, but if it does then great

[Nick2468]

Originally posted by freerida69
jesus nick havent you had enough fun bashing this yet?:rolleyes: your making it sound like were turning into some x games event, all we are doing is added a few small dirt jumps to see what its like, if it doesnt work, so be it, but if it does then great

i would like nothing more then to have jumps... its just there isnt really the room or good run in, along with the closing down of the track

[freerida69]

there is alot of unused space at the track, why dont you jsut wait and see what its like only one more day, then you can bash it all you want cause you'll ahve acctual proof

[LOBOTIDULATOR]

Originally posted by freerida69
jesus nick havent you had enough fun bashing this yet?:rolleyes: your making it sound like were turning into some x games event, all we are doing is added a few small dirt jumps to see what its like, if it doesnt work, so be it, but if it does then great

coming from a guy who wanted a foam pit... we are just expressing what we think. your mistaken if you think there is alot of unused space, the track is small enough as it is.

[Nick2468]

Originally posted by freerida69
there is alot of unused space at the track, why dont you jsut wait and see what its like only one more day, then you can bash it all you want cause you'll ahve acctual proof

1 day? racing is tomorrow but arent the jumps not going in till like december?

[Jev]

Originally posted by LOBOTIDULATOR
coming from a guy who wanted a foam pit... we are just expressing what we think. your mistaken if you think there is alot of unused space, the track is small enough as it is.

And you have done so at labourious length, your point has been recieved. Now keep schtum, see how it goes. ;)

[freerida69]

Originally posted by LOBOTIDULATOR
coming from a guy who wanted a foam pit... we are just expressing what we think. your mistaken if you think there is alot of unused space, the track is small enough as it is.
it was an idea, i knew it wouldnt happen, just an IDEA, we all have had ideas for cool things that would be fun todo, and yes there is space between the straights for jumps, but due to this certain track design, wich i personaly dont like, has no room for dirt jumps, so we are planning a track for the december period that will incorperate jumps into the the track layout

[superl8]

Best part of any BMX track = The jumps
worst part of any BMX track = over competitive racer boys/kids and the parents that support/buy computers for them.

[LOBOTIDULATOR]

Originally posted by superl8
Best part of any BMX track = The jumps
worst part of any BMX track = over competitive racer boys/kids and the parents that support/buy computers for them.
what are you trying to say? that people who disagree and goto race tracks to race are spoiled? i've worked hard for my staats pro XXL, so you sir are lame.

[cheryl@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by LOBOTIDULATOR
what are you trying to say? that people who disagree and goto race tracks to race are spoiled? i've worked hard for my staats pro XXL, so you sir are lame.

What does what bike you ride have to do with that comment?

[stacy kohut]

it seems to me this is a bmx race track first, then a 4x track second.

this place seems to be popular with racers from all over canada and western u.s.
if i came from quebec or oregon and found out i couldn't practice the whole track for my race i would be pissed.

it just does not seem right to sacrifice the racers training for dirt jumps.

bmx will debut in the 2008 bejing olympics, we need to support our canadian bmx race community to the full extent in the next 3 years.

is dirt jumpin in the olympics?

its is the evening of the 13th of nov, for the record, those of you that went racing this weekend, was there enough room for dirt jumps?

is it worth sacrificing the race training to have dirt jumps?
lets here some news on the dirt jump vs. space available debate.

[GRIZZ]

i stopped by yesterday to see how the building was going...looks good:thepimp:gotta love the smell of soil being turned into jumps:rolleyes:

[LOBOTIDULATOR]

Originally posted by stacy kohut
its is the evening of the 13th of nov, for the record, those of you that went racing this weekend, was there enough room for dirt jumps?
no. also, there was bearly enough dirt to make a half decent track. this will make me look like a dick, but the track made no sence. there were 4 single rollers, 2 in first straight, 2 in last straight, that seemd place just for the hell of it. instead of that, they should have been used to make a double or something. the berms were small, as was everything on the track. if there is not enough dirt for the track, there is definatly not enough for dirt jumps.

cheryl. what i took from his comment was he thinks racers are spoiled and get their parents to buy them there equipment, i obviously took it misread.

[stacy kohut]

you don't sound like a dick, you sound like someone who bmx races and has an opinion about your sport/tracks.

and in my opinion, you didn't misread anything................

over competitive? thats why you race, to compete.

[Nick2468]

Originally posted by stacy kohut
you don't sound like a dick, you sound like someone who bmx races and has an opinion about your sport/tracks.

and in my opinion, you didn't misread anything................

over competitive? thats why you race, to compete.

wow someone finally understands

[stacy kohut]

you race today?
you make your mains?
placing?

[Nick2468]

yes i raced today
no mains becasue we only had 4 riders
last :(

lobotidulator got 2nd i think though


me and lobo were in same moto

[LOBOTIDULATOR]

Originally posted by Nick2468
yes i raced today
no mains becasue we only had 4 riders
last :(

lobotidulator got 3rd i think though
2nd chief.

[stacy kohut]

will you race again tommorrow?

get your snap on boys!!!

any chance to get some feedback to the track builders in a postive way?

[Nick2468]

Originally posted by stacy kohut
will you race again tommorrow?

get your snap on boys!!!

any chance to get some feedback to the track builders in a postive way?

im racing again tomorrow, lobo isnt

[stacy kohut]

good luck.

[Nick2468]

thanks

[|2ipper]

damnit i wanted to come out, but i had a rugby game. Nick i heard Evert skool again, and KEvin Zeminckick got 3rd!?!??!!? man i need to come and race.

[stacy kohut]

quit rugby now, quit all jocko team sports now.................
quit and race bmx now.
real men race things, children participate in team sports.


joking!!!!
kinda!
not really..................


flame on...................

[freerida69]

This track isnt the greatest built and the dirt wasnt used wisely, the track "builder" ( ill leave the name out, because if you were at the races you porbly know who built it) didnt do a good job laying it out before hand he just started building with out a real plan, the next track will be of better design, its the first track of the indoor season theres always problems. If you have any suggestions for the next track feel free to PM them to me as I dont go on here much anymore.

[stacy kohut]

is the track builder a bmx racer that builds, or a builder that has interest in bmx racing?

you know which one is better.

[Nick2468]

bmx racer who builds

[stacy kohut]

is that who is building now???????
'a racer who builds'

or is it the other? which is it?

[Nick2468]

he is a bmx racer who built the track

[twofortythree]

that person who built the track isnt the person who drives the bob cat around bringing in all the dirt, also......do you think this select person was the only one there building?
because you said " I will leave the NAME out"

bye the way, rule on kohut, you know whats going on

[stacy kohut]

work with the racers, racers work with the builders.
maybe even volly your time.

[|2ipper]

Originally posted by stacy kohut
quit rugby now, quit all jocko team sports now.................
quit and race bmx now.
real men race things, children participate in team sports.


joking!!!!
kinda!
not really..................


flame on...................

i play rugby because it will get me some were in life, compared to mtn. biking, will biking take you to collage?? didnt think so.

oh ya and i'm bigger to.

[stacy kohut]

its gonna get you somewhere in life?
sure.

it might get ya somewhere, i know where it will get you though...

in a lockeroom with 15 other guys, all showering together.
keep your head up, and your soap on a rope!


joking!!
kinda!
not really..............

[SIDESHOW]

rugby rules, but I know alot of folks that quit playing cuz they didn't want to be alcoholics.............in rugby it's cool to be a drunk.

for anyone that has anything bad to say about the BMX track or those that built it................

just because you can't ride it doesn't mean it sucks!!!!

the track is very well built, and very challenging, if yer in good shape you should be able to ace it..........

really don't like the negative posts in here. It's like people trashing on the woodyard...............its fucking raining for the next 4 months you idiots........anything indoor is a blessing.

[Trini-dad72]

I'm with Kohut here, I hated team sports in School. Getting abike and riding for me, was the best thing for me. Still is...
I don't mind getting drunk once a year tho... BUT for those who can make it in the compettitive, aggressive world of team sports, I say GO FOR IT!!

Anyway....

I am going out.:D

[LOBOTIDULATOR]

Originally posted by SIDESHOW
for anyone that has anything bad to say about the BMX track or those that built it................

just because you can't ride it doesn't mean it sucks!!!!



congradulations, your an idiot.

[|2ipper]

meh, I hope you people have/had fun paying for collage/un. cause all i know, i wont have, thanks to rugby.

its not just a team sport, its the fact you hang out with friends and be attive, i'm not saying that bikings not either.

stacy k you need to stop replying to everyones post

joking!
kinda...
not really.

[stacy kohut]

man i struck a chord with you huh?
must have been the shower thing.

something ya will never hear after a bmx race........
"hey warwick, nice snap off the gate today in your semis.."-kyle bennett
"ya bro, i felt good, your snap in the main off gate 8 wasn't so bad either, lets shower together"-warwick replies back


i really hope they teach you how to spell in college........

i like to be active too, just not attive.and a collage is a random group of things, not an institutional learning facility, the word you were looking for was college.

peace ................
hugs and kisses ..........stacy.

[|2ipper]

are you done?

[stacy kohut]

done.

[SIDESHOW]

Originally posted by LOBOTIDULATOR
congradulations, your an idiot.

An idiot that can school your bitch-ass around Abby or any other BMX track, so maybe watch yer mouth.

Nice spelling superguy. I would ask that you refrain from calling me names,

I rode the track and yes it is a challenge.

my latest PM from good ol' Nick....

you are honestly really dumb if you think that track is challenging and well built... the corners arent steep enough, the first straight has 2 stupidly placed rollers and a tiny table, the second straights double is fine but the next thing is rediculous, its not makeable by even the pros, the rythem is pathetic because its not a rythem and last and certainly least the last straight, this is porribly the worst feature on the track, its an un even roller with another one after it.

before you start running your mouth on things you are clueless about think about what your saying first.

out of the 4 racers on here, lady G freerida69 lobo and myself,

3 of us think it is a horrible lay out, the track takes no skill like you said it does

i think it might be you cant ride the track so you are saying its challenging,

im gonna go ahead and geuss that you havent ridden any other track the pipeline track... if you ever have a chance to get out to langley BMX track, THEN and only then you will see a challenging track from around here.




All I can say to you my friend is first stay out of my pm box, and second I have seen better tracks, but were they indoor in the Lower Mainland in November.................????

I'm sure that you and your friends are super fast and could build a much better track. I'll see you there when it happens.

[stacy kohut]

spelling?....'geuss'..........

[SIDESHOW]

uh Stacy you are trying to be too clever, that was not my writing, it was from the pm I received( I before E, except after C...).

and Corey, is spelled Cory.

[cheryl@nsmb.com]

I am going to side a little with Cory here. He is super duper wicked fast. I am pretty sure he could put it to all you bmx kids. You should check in with who you dissing on the board cuz some amazing riders post on here.

[LOBOTIDULATOR]

Originally posted by SIDESHOW
An idiot that can school your bitch-ass around Abby or any other BMX track, so maybe watch yer mouth.

Nice spelling superguy. I would ask that you refrain from calling me names,

I rode the track and yes it is a challenge.

my latest PM from good ol' Nick....

you are honestly really dumb if you think that track is challenging and well built... the corners arent steep enough, the first straight has 2 stupidly placed rollers and a tiny table, the second straights double is fine but the next thing is rediculous, its not makeable by even the pros, the rythem is pathetic because its not a rythem and last and certainly least the last straight, this is porribly the worst feature on the track, its an un even roller with another one after it.

before you start running your mouth on things you are clueless about think about what your saying first.

out of the 4 racers on here, lady G freerida69 lobo and myself,

3 of us think it is a horrible lay out, the track takes no skill like you said it does

i think it might be you cant ride the track so you are saying its challenging,

im gonna go ahead and geuss that you havent ridden any other track the pipeline track... if you ever have a chance to get out to langley BMX track, THEN and only then you will see a challenging track from around here.




All I can say to you my friend is first stay out of my pm box, and second I have seen better tracks, but were they indoor in the Lower Mainland in November.................????

I'm sure that you and your friends are super fast and could build a much better track. I'll see you there when it happens.

wow. so your challenging me to race you? i'm sure you can "school" me, whats your point? have i said i could build a better track? you surprise me with your " the track is challenging" comment. you, being a racer and everything, should know that the track was poorly layed out, and poorly built.
Originally posted by SIDESHOW
An idiot that can school your bitch-ass around Abby or any other BMX track, so maybe watch yer mouth.
feel like a big man?

[stacy kohut]

who would win?
are they both pronounced the same.?


easy cory, the kid is allowed to voice his opinion about the track.

he didn't say he was ungratefull or wasn't gonna ride it.

[|2ipper]

Originally posted by stacy kohut
done.

ok, hahaaha, i see your point about the showering together thingy.

no. i dont shower with my team. i'd rather be a straight smelly person then a clean gay guy.

[cheryl@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by stacy kohut
who would win?
are they both pronounced the same.?


easy cory, the kid is allowed to voice his opinion about the track.

he didn't say he was ungratefull or wasn't gonna ride it.

Well the guy kind did mention Cory not being able to ride the track, which could have been interpreted in the sense he wasn't a good rider. Which although Cory can be a mean dude, I can't diss his skills.

[|2ipper]

Originally posted by SIDESHOW


im gonna go ahead and geuss that you havent ridden any other track the pipeline track... if you ever have a chance to get out to langley BMX track, THEN and only then you will see a challenging track from around here.


if your talking about 2468nick or what ever his name is, i would be careful on that subject, he is quite the bmx racer and i have seen you rippin it on the bc cup cory, but it would be an intreseting race between you two.

but i also agree he is a bit of a dink when he starts to run his mouth.


but then again, i guess you would win.

[allex]

Originally posted by |2ipper
if your talking about 2468nick or what ever his name is, i would be careful on that subject, he is quite the bmx racer

:rolleyes:

[trout]

I was thinking about trying bmx racing, is it fun?

[stacy kohut]

one of the best times you'll have on a bike.
it is racing though, so there will be a 'winner', and then the rest.
if your not a competitive person, its best just to try to race 'against the track'. and like all sports, sometimes practice is better than the game/race.

[SIDESHOW]

I am careful who I challenge, and there is a good chance that this Nick fella could whip me.......I am not exactly in a racing state of mind these days.

I guess I just wanted to lip back ya know..........

I am not mean at all Cheryl. I just get a little pissed some times.

Maybe I am starting to see how much work goes in behind the scenes. Peeps on here spreadin negative vibes don't help Gary pay the rent.

[Nick2468]

Originally posted by SIDESHOW
I am careful who I challenge, and there is a good chance that this Nick fella could whip me.......I am not exactly in a racing state of mind these days.

I guess I just wanted to lip back ya know..........

I am not mean at all Cheryl. I just get a little pissed some times.

Maybe I am starting to see how much work goes in behind the scenes. Peeps on here spreadin negative vibes don't help Gary pay the rent.

im gonna go with you could for sure beat me...
i saw you riding last indoor and you were pretty fast but...
i assumed since you said the track was challenging that you were a beginner type rider not cory leclerc, if i had knew who you were i would have still said all the rest except for the riding part

i stand by how i feel and its not gonna change

[Action Hero]

Originally posted by |2ipper
i'd rather be a straight smelly person then a clean gay guy.

small dink?

[SIDESHOW]

Originally posted by Nick2468
im gonna go with you could for sure beat me...
i saw you riding last indoor and you were pretty fast but...
i assumed since you said the track was challenging that you were a beginner type rider not cory leclerc, if i had knew who you were i would have still said all the rest except for the riding part

i stand by how i feel and its not gonna change


maybe just think about ways to make it better so we can all enjoy your ideas, talk to Gary, and see if he needs any help. Introduce yerself next time and we can argue in person, it'll be way more fun.

see ya on Thursday, I'm droppin my fr ring to a 34 so I don't fly over the gate again....hack-hack. Hmm XC tires....???

lite wheels. and a rear brake that works, I landed on my ass a coupla times.

As for beating anybody, until I can actually pedal all the way around the track I'm not placing any bets......

everybody should at least come to the practices........5 bucks, and a great sweat...

[cheryl@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by SIDESHOW


I am not mean at all Cheryl. I just get a little pissed some times.



I am speaking from up front and personal experience. Sometimes being pissed and yelling at people could be interpreted as mean. I sure thought you were mean to me.

[Action Hero]

Originally posted by cheryl@nsmb.com
I am speaking from up front and personal experience. Sometimes being pissed and yelling at people could be interpreted as mean. I sure thought you were mean to me.


OOOO TWIST! This soap opera is getting good!

[Jev]

Is it coached practice only on Thursday nights? Or can one show up and just ride? Is BMX and 4X practice side by side?

I couldn't see any times for Thursday evenings on the site, what are they?

Thanks,
-Jev

[cheryl@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by Action Hero
OOOO TWIST! This soap opera is getting good!

Nope no soap opera. It was like 2000 at some race in Kamloops so it's just funny now.

[Robot]

*Practice Nights & Coached Practices- 4:00-6:00 pm 10 year olds and younger
6:00- 8:30 pm Open Practice

Originally posted by Jev
Is it coached practice only on Thursday nights? Or can one show up and just ride? Is BMX and 4X practice side by side?

I couldn't see any times for Thursday evenings on the site, what are they?

Thanks,
-Jev

[Action Hero]

Originally posted by cheryl@nsmb.com
Nope no soap opera. It was like 2000 at some race in Kamloops so it's just funny now.

I like comedys!

[Gary Harder]

practice times
we are a fluid bunch here at Abb. practice schedules will be like this.
reg. practice times are like this 4-6pm 10 years old and under
6-8:30 open practice.
Thursday night coached practices (when coached practices are on those not wanting to pay an extra $5. can still ride but the gate or a section of the track will be for those being coached,note the extra $5 goes to the coachs as our way of support.)
5-6pm 10 and under or new riders
6:30-7:30 older riders
New track design coming up......
We build this friday starting at 8am--6
sat. we finish and buff what we have done. Track will open at 2pm sat. latest.
What to expect?????
well right off hand ,steeper berms, a faster course , a track which by the end of dec will be very hard and a lot faster ,the longer the track stay there the faster it gets. A couple of surprises. Anyone who thinks the new track will be boring needs to stand out in the cold and rain for awhile and think about it.
Thanks to all the people who have defended me ,while I have no problem with differences of opinions, sometimes the complaining get to be a little bit much.
Abb. bmx must diversify our overhead and a charged political BMX atmosphere has shown this as a reality. I am hoping the 4xmtn bikers will grow and more will show up. It really boils down to putting on a good show and pushing the fact we are the Only indoor bmx/4x around.
We open early ,stay open late, now have FREE timed trails every sat/sun.and after racing. those who would rather practice instead of race ,you can come out any day and pay a practice fee of $5 and practice.
So come out early and stay late if that's what you want,sundays we stay open till six pm and later.. Remember have a little faith we have been doing this for four years and our goal is to for bike sports grow.
put down the remote and grab your bike, ride,have fun and see first hand what we are doing here. sat dec11th we open.
Women if there anything we can do here to encourage you to turnout give me a e-mail.
see you at indoor.
Gary Harder

[Trini-dad72]

Well thanks Gary!!!!!!

I hope to come out and try it. I think I'll be trying to build a 4X HT bike. I am as undecided as a girl. Hahahaha, my wife thinks so anyway...

The info is good to know, and I hope to come out and have some fun soon.

I know that I keep saying it, but I really want to give it a whirl.

[Gary Harder]

I was just checking this old link out, and look it's already 08.
The 4X series final was this
wed feb 20th with the biggest turnout something like 50+,with 8women competing.
Micayla Gatto took it all when it mattered in the main.Second place went to a smooth riding Rosemary Adams.

When the dust settled,
Tory Nyhaug won the pro's ,just edging the big winner all winter Nick Goertzen.
Tory to those in the know has been a world champion rider for something like four years running. I think TN,is something like 17 and get this,
first time on a mtn bike racing...
The competition was intense,
best part for me?
Both winners M/W,and riders had nothing but sheer joy in their eye's.
The friendship between riders was huge.
Nick/Tory who have both had some unbeliveble highs in racing this year ,told me it was the "most" fun of all year of racing.
Pipeline's Adam Muys/Matty/Larrissa /Blake did a bang up job.
Thanks to the Abbotsford BMX crew,and all the volunteers ,and racers.
Sat FEB 23/08 BMX racing seen the biggest open class ever,26 riders.
The open has finally answered the bragging rights question of who's the fastest.(Tory Nyhaug)Nick Goertzen remember these young guns names,you'll be hearing them again.
So ends another year of indoor racing.
later
g