Is manitou stuff duty free under NAFTA?

[pakutrick]

Somebody here must know...
I'm looking to buy a slider from a US online shop and I'm pretty sure that they are made in the states, that means they should be duty free right?

On a side note, anyone know of any cheap sliders (2004 or 2005)
either in the lower mainland or online somewhere?


Thanks

[nick1111]

This is a really important question. I bought a frame used from the US that was made in the USA and I got charged duty. Should I be calling UPS and complaining?

[yellowdogx]

Originally posted by nick1111
This is a really important question. I bought a frame used from the US that was made in the USA and I got charged duty. Should I be calling UPS and complaining?

Duty or brokerage?

[UFO]

it will be DUTY free, but NOT tax free.

duty is 6% or something like that. tax is 7% gst only, bikes and associated products are not subject to PST.

if UPS charged you tax, they will most definitely charge you brokerage fees as well. brokerage fee is a UPS charge, not a customs charge. basically, it is to cover their cost of bringing the item across the border for you, and collecting the tax on behalf of canada customs.

[Zedbra]

If you can get it shipped and have them label it as 'Warranty replacement' - you may skip taxes. Romic did this for me.

[IFO]

Originally posted by pakutrick

On a side note, anyone know of any cheap sliders (2004 or 2005)
either in the lower mainland or online somewhere?


Thanks

have u used Bikeroom to compare prices ??

might be less cost/hassle to go there then use a US site..

give it a looksee...;)


www.bikeroom.com

if the fork your looking for itsnt listed, feel fre to phone em up and enguire about exactly what u want...

[Tonestar]

BSP North Van (Bicycle Sports Pacific)
Slider 6" $699
Slider Plus 7" $999

[pakutrick]

Originally posted by Tonestar
BSP North Van (Bicycle Sports Pacific)
Slider 6" $699
Slider Plus 7" $999

I know that's cheap for lbs prices, but that's still more than US MSRP for a year old fork (I'm assuming the 7" one is 2004)

thx for the help though

[sanrensho]

Originally posted by UFO
it will be DUTY free, but NOT tax free.

duty is 6% or something like that. tax is 7% gst only, bikes and associated products are not subject to PST.


UFO is correct. Bike parts are duty- and PST-free. You should only be paying GST.

[switch]

Originally posted by sanrensho
UFO is correct. Bike parts are duty-free
Really? Does that include frames too?

I always thought that importing items, that are also manufactured in Canada, would be subject to duty. If we can't make it here, then it's illogical to charge extra to protect the local markets.

[Mr Ripper]

Originally posted by pakutrick
I know that's cheap for lbs prices, but that's still more than US MSRP for a year old fork (I'm assuming the 7" one is 2004)

thx for the help though

Have you done the conversion yet? Have fun, I only ordered one thing from the states, $15 us turned into $40cdn by the time it got across the border. Unless you have a US address, save yourself the hassle, go Bikeroom.com

[pete]

and brokerage fee will be $40 plus from ups

[sanrensho]

Originally posted by switch
Really? Does that include frames too?

I always thought that importing items, that are also manufactured in Canada, would be subject to duty. If we can't make it here, then it's illogical to charge extra to protect the local markets.

I just checked some of my paperwork and have never been charged duty. In every case, the items have been categorized under "Bicycle parts."

I haven't imported a frame or a complete bike, so I can't say.

[yellowdogx]

TSBshipping.com

[UFO]

Originally posted by sanrensho
I just checked some of my paperwork and have never been charged duty. In every case, the items have been categorized under "Bicycle parts."

I haven't imported a frame or a complete bike, so I can't say.

USUALLY they will not charge duty, especially on smaller purchases. duty on bikes and parts is only 6% if made outside north america, they usually dont care about that 6% enough to flip through their book and check what it is, so they wont charge it. but be aware, that bikes/parts are NOT exempt from duty, you can be charged that so be expectant of this.

if you are bringing nike shoes/clothes whatever, duty is 20% and they WILL charge you. just an example for comparison's sake.

[peachy-B]

if it's made in the US shouldn't that be under free-trade agreement? no duty just PST.

what about stuff made in canada? u can get a RF Diabolus crank cheaper in the US. (what the....) do we have to pay duty for that? i really hope not. that would be insane!

[switch]

NAFTA doesn't work like that - there's still protectionism.

For example, if you drive across the border, buy a case of wine from California, you'll pay duty when you come back across the border. A lot of duty.

[sanrensho]

Originally posted by UFO
USUALLY they will not charge duty, especially on smaller purchases. duty on bikes and parts is only 6% if made outside north america, they usually dont care about that 6% enough to flip through their book and check what it is, so they wont charge it.

The 2004 customs tariff list shows bicycle parts as being duty-free for countries on the Most-Favored Nation list, which includes most nations.

Scroll down to class no. 8714.99.90.20 from the following link:

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/general/publications/tariff2004/ch87ne.pdf

Am I missing something?:???:

[switch]

It says "free" for a lot of items. It says 6.5% for wheels, and it says 5" for "other".

[pakutrick]

Originally posted by Mr Ripper
Have you done the conversion yet? Have fun, I only ordered one thing from the states, $15 us turned into $40cdn by the time it got across the border. Unless you have a US address, save yourself the hassle, go Bikeroom.com

1.
jensonusa fedex to canada is 25 us and includes brokerage...

2005 slider for 800us+ 25us +7%gst at border is still a hell of a lot cheaper than anywhere in canada that sells manitou

2. Bikeroom doesn't sell manitou, so I would have to beg dave to bring it in just for me...

IFO, does he get super good manitou deals when he does bring stuff in?

[sanrensho]

Originally posted by switch
It says "free" for a lot of items. It says 6.5% for wheels, and it says 5" for "other".

Without exception, 8714.99.90.20 is the duty class that has been assigned every time I've had to bring parts over the border. It's listed as duty-free.

[Mr Ripper]

Originally posted by pakutrick
1.
jensonusa fedex to canada is 25 us and includes brokerage...

2005 slider for 800us+ 25us +7%gst at border is still a hell of a lot cheaper than anywhere in canada that sells manitou

2. Bikeroom doesn't sell manitou, so I would have to beg dave to bring it in just for me...

IFO, does he get super good manitou deals when he does bring stuff in?

instead of 3rd party info, why don't you call Bikeroom, and just ask? I bet you could find it cheaper up here, PM creamy canuck, he just bought one and could point you in the right direction. Support the local economy, the US takes enough of our money.

[peachy-B]

supporting the local economy is one thing but getting charged more money by products made locally is another.

i can understand that products made outside are more expensive here (taxes, shipping, middleman, etc) but getting it less in the US and it's made right in our own neighbourhood is another.

[UFO]

Originally posted by sanrensho
Without exception, 8714.99.90.20 is the duty class that has been assigned every time I've had to bring parts over the border. It's listed as duty-free.

thanks for that info. I have never checked on it myself, as i have never paid duty on bike parts while bringing them across the border, only gst.

quite a few years back, i was thinking about bringing a made in taiwan trek into canada. when i inquired with the customs, i was told that i would have to pay duty. i assumed that this duty rate was applicable to all bikes/parts.

[UFO]

according to that list, duty on complete bikes is 13%

'hydraulical shock absorbering cylinders' are duty free. so i guess manitou gear is safe, only subject to pst which is only 7% again now starting today

[switch]

Originally posted by UFO
according to that list, duty on complete bikes is 13%

'hydraulical shock absorbering cylinders' are duty free. so i guess manitou gear is safe, only subject to pst which is only 7% again now starting today

It's a bike part - no PST, just GST.

[switch]

Originally posted by Mr Ripper +
Support the local economy, the US takes enough of our money.
When the local shop(s) are gouging, then the local support stops.

[UFO]

Originally posted by switch
It's a bike part - no PST, just GST.

whoops, slip of the thumb. no pst on bike stuff, only gst.

[baloom]

I agree......I purchase lots of parts, both locally and in the US. You will never pay PST on any bike or bike part regardless of where it was made. You will not pay duty on any bike or bike part regardless of what it is if it was made in the US (including Manitou stuff as it is made in California) or made in what is called a "most favoured nation" country. There is a list of these which likely includes most EU countries (I purchased some Continental tires which were made in Germany and did not pay duty, and purchased some Conti's that were made in Taiwan and did pay duty).

Brokerage fees are an entirely different beast....UPS charges this to get your goods across the border. You can avoid this if you live in Vancouver and want to take a drive to Peace Arch by getting your good shipped to a Mailbox (ie. Mailbox Etc) there, picking it up yourself and declaring it at the border. You will get it faster and save a few bucks (mind you, it will cost you time and some gas money so you might be just as far ahead to pay the UPS brokerage fee)

[xy9ine]

these guys have the best prices i've seen on manitou, yet:

alfred e. bike (http://aebike.com/site/page.cfm?PageID=30&SKU=FK5083)

that should be under $800 shipped.