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andrew_c
10-14-2004, 03:32 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/10/14/plane_halifax041014.html

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/photos/plane_2crash041014.jpg

I found a picture of the plane on another website:

http://www.mtbkanata.org/photos/albums/userpics/normal_mk.jpg

HALIFAX - A Boeing 747 cargo plane with seven crew members crashed while taking off from the Halifax airport early Thursday. None of the crew survived.

The MK Airlines jet, which had been leaving with a load of freight and seafood at about 3:50 a.m. local time, is lying in pieces in a wooded area near the runway.


The downed cargo plane.
Eyewitnesses reported an explosion and a huge fireball in the sky as the plane, carrying 200,000 litres of fuel, tried to lift off. Early video showed a bright orange glow coming from the crash site.

The crew members on board were from Zimbabwe, South Africa and Britain.

The plane is in pieces, with the jet's tail in a field at the end of the runway. A large piece of the charred fuselage is lying about one kilometre from the runway, at the end of a large swath cut through the woods.

There are reports that the plane's tail struck the runway while it was lifting off. The RCMP say they don't know whether the plane managed to get off the ground.

"The aircraft basically didn't take off. She continued her rotation and ran off the runway and ran into woods," Steve Anderson, a spokesperson with MK Airlines. "We've heard stories of fireballs and all the rest of it, but none of this has actually been confirmed."

The flight had stopped in Halifax to pick up a load of seafood and refuel before heading to Zaragosa, Spain. It had already picked up a load of freight in New York.

Anderson told CBC Newsworld that the 20-year-old plane had an "exemplary" service record.

"She's been an absolute gem."


Fire trucks head to crash site.
The airline has been flying out of the Halifax airport once a week for the past 18 months and is familiar with the area. There was no rain and some cloud cover at the time of the crash.

Passengers had been stranded at the airport for several hours as flights were delayed, but commercial flights started leaving the airport around 9:30 a.m. local time.

Taxi drivers taking passengers to the airport had reported being turned back, saying all they had been told was that there was some sort of incident.

One witness told a Halifax radio station that he saw two bright flashes in the sky, which turned the sky bright orange.

The airport is about 35 kilometres from the city's downtown.


NOTE: this carrier also had a crash 2 years ago, killing all on board. Does not look good for MK.

From what I have gathered, the plane over rotated (pulled up too much without comphesation, therefore the tail struck the runway and broke apart. Original reports on aviation sites are saying also that cargo was not properly secured, and had moved backwards during liftoff.




Team2K
10-14-2004, 05:59 PM
http://www.southparkstudios.com/down/download.html?file=/media/sounds/715/HELLOFROMTHECOCKPIT.wav

Thank you for flying Chity airways

Scary... i have a 13 hour Air Transat flight tomorrow UGH!

andrew_c
10-14-2004, 10:53 PM
tail section
http://www.mtbkanata.org/photos/albums/userpics/ahalifax_tail.JPG

the plane that crashed (this is it :eek: )

http://www.mtbkanata.org/photos/albums/userpics/normal_mk.jpg


http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/photos/plane_2crash041014.jpg

http://www.disasterrelief.org/Disasters/000202AlaskaAirlines2/Images/_627060_md-80_2_stabilisers_300.gifhttp://www.mtbkanata.org/photos/albums/userpics/normal_AIRCRASH.jpg

Original colours of the plane under ownership of South Africa Airlines

From initial reports, the plane lost its horizontal stabalizer and tail sections (first picutre) and crashed into the forest just after the end of the runway.

Craz
10-14-2004, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by TeamK2
http://www.southparkstudios.com/down/download.html?file=/media/sounds/715/HELLOFROMTHECOCKPIT.wav

Thank you for flying Chity airways

Scary... i have a 13 hour Air Transat flight tomorrow UGH!
AT Is single handedly the worst airline I have ever flown with. I WILL NEVER fly AT again.
Horrible horrible flight.

Trail Rider 1.0
10-14-2004, 11:09 PM
Not to take away from what happened, but at least it was a cargo plane, can you imagine if that was a 747 full of passengers:|

eeyun
10-15-2004, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by Lunatik
AT Is single handedly the worst airline I have ever flown with. I WILL NEVER fly AT again.
Horrible horrible flight.

Ha! You've obviously never flown Skyservice.

andrew_c
10-15-2004, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by eeyun
Ha! You've obviously never flown Skyservice.

:smokey: :werd:

he has a point :D at least air transat has nice planes :thepimp: Back on topic though. Its a shame what happened, but it could of been worse. Look at all the metropalitain areas, where the airport is surrounded by houses. This could of been even worse if it happened at any airport like that.

switch
10-15-2004, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by TeamK2
Scary... i have a 13 hour Air Transat flight tomorrow UGH!
The airline whos pilots dump all their fuel half way across the Atlantic? :eek:

Team2K
10-15-2004, 12:22 AM
ya... i heard they had to glide in to an emergency landing

needless to say, i'm not stoked on the airline, but the destination will be worth it :D

MrJack
10-15-2004, 12:48 AM
The AT incident was a case of the pilots not identifying a severe fuel leak, therefore running out of fuel and making a forced landing as TeamK2 said. Had they not been giving a track diversion of 60NM they would have found themselves ditching in the atlantic..

so have a good flight!:)

yellowdogx
10-15-2004, 12:49 AM
Originally posted by Lunatik
AT Is single handedly the worst airline I have ever flown with. I WILL NEVER fly AT again.
Horrible horrible flight.

I swear consumers crack me up, working in aviation I hear alot of people complain about the "cheap" charter type operations, but when it comes time to book a ticket they would fly in a 172 to Hawaii if it was the cheapest ticket out there....

Man it cacks me up:P

I know a guy that used to fly 3rd seat in the L1011 with the piolot that lost all that fuel over the Atlantic. When the guy I know talked to the pilot he was trying to play down the whole "hero" role and just wanted it to go away as he knew he fucked up in not monitoring the fuel usage on the efected engine.

I know nothing about the operator that put the 747 in but I have seen some pretty bow-jang cargo outfits out there... we will have to wait and see what the cvr/fdr tells us.

My theory...C of G problem on takeoff due to poor loading of the cargo = over rotaion on take off.

andrew_c
10-15-2004, 01:20 AM
My theory...C of G problem on takeoff due to poor loading of the cargo = over rotaion on take off.

amen to that. Ive tried this situation many times before on flight simulators, and each time I end up crashing. Hopefully this time the operators will learn a lesson, and develop new guidelines to cargo.

From what I had said earlier:

From what I have gathered, the plane over rotated (pulled up too much without comphesation, therefore the tail struck the runway and broke apart. Original reports on aviation sites are saying also that cargo was not properly secured, and had moved backwards during liftoff.