Slider or 888?

[nouseforaname]

I need a fork. Have read stuff about both of these forks on here (cracks etc w/888, leaks etc w/sliders). I am coming for 6 months to Vancouver and was running sherman breakouts before but the travel adjuster gave up within 2 weeks when i was out in june.

So what do you reckon 05 slider or 05 888? (price is irrelevant in this equation).

cheers for your time.

[the flying moose]

what bike are you putting it on??

from what ive heard the 888 is a very tall fork so that might mess with the geometry of your bike.

[nouseforaname]

sc bullit. id go with the 170mm 888's rather than 200mm (7" instead of 8" for all you imperial types ;) )

[icewax]

if you want your bike geared more towards DH/shuttle-runs then get the 888... for more freeride specific id go with the slider. Either one will be very nice

[IFO]

both are really diffferent forks to be honest....

but with that said the Manitou is a better match to your Bullit...

esp. with the SPV evolve...

just be sure to order it with the drop crown (Long)..

[Sticky]

I have an 03' Bullit with an 888r right now. It's made my bike fairly slack, but I've ordered the Risse Racing flat crowns which should lower it to a nice height (about an inch lower). It just corners like crap with the tall crowns that come on it. Otherwise it works good on the bike.

[sAFETY]

If you're coming from Londahn Town (the original, not the one in Eastern Canada) you might want to consider buying the fork here... Unless you're taking this "price doesn't matter" think to the extreme.

Oh, and a Bullit would be better suited with a Slider IMO.

[Nelson]

Slider.

[bmxr]

Originally posted by sAFETY
Oh, and a Bullit would be better suited with a Slider IMO.

FWIW, ditto. I like the 888, but I didn't like the front end slacked out on that much on my bike (Bullit).

[publicenemy]

888 all the way..their alot niced then the sliders

[aabela]

spv is kinda painful, after riding north star in claifornia i found that i did not like my sherman breakout as much as i thought, yeah it hard to bottem out but on stutter bumps i thought my hands were gonna die! 888 is way smoother and a the damper is sweet in them. secondly wht about a 66?

[Col. Craig]

i hear for 05 all the problems with the 888 are fixed. i would personally go with the slider just cause of the new SPV thing

[publicenemy]

i just dont like how the sliders dont suck up small stuff at all...the triple is great for the small stuff and awsome for the big hits

[nouseforaname]

i dont pay retail (or even trade) over here. so price IS irrelevant.

the reason i am undecided is that i am worried that the slider is just a triple clamp version of my flicks (which havent proved the most reliable forks i have used :(
cheers for your advice guys - it seems pretty clear.

[just ride]

eight eight eight !!! haha

[Straw]

Originally posted by nouseforaname
i dont pay retail (or even trade) over here. so price IS irrelevant.



I think the 66 would be a good option. Check it out.
Do you shoplift your parts?
;)

[nouseforaname]

im a buyer for a big company, there are always deals to be made.

having run the sherman breakouts and got a shot lower headset bearing (fsa orbit extreme) inside of two weeks i am kind of turned off long travel single crowns. but i hear what your saying (they were on the shortlist..

[switch]

7" 888.

I've heard that Marzocchi is (or will be) making "shorter" crowns for the fork. Anyone know if that's true?

[nouseforaname]

i hadnt heard that, but i know go-ride has some?

the word from the UK distributer was : we think there is due to be a flat lower crown but no idea on when it will be available..

[sdwkubed]

If price really is irrelevant...

Then my vote is for a 888 or a Shiver for the times you're pointed down, and then a second fork the rest of the time.... the new 6" firefly would be sweet, probably better then the new 66 will be, for this application, only as the 66 is really only a single crown 888.

If you want only 1 fork... then you should wait and ride the SPV evolve, see if you like it or not. I've only heard positive things about it... but then I only heard positive things about SPV for the first few months too... it seems like it is a love it or hate it system.

Have Fun
T

[sAFETY]

I think switch is on to somethign.

8" on a bullit is just too much, so if you're going to go 888, then run it at 7" and your golden.

[baloom]

Originally posted by IFO
both are really diffferent forks to be honest....

but with that said the Manitou is a better match to your Bullit...

esp. with the SPV evolve...

just be sure to order it with the drop crown (Long)..

Just wondering why you specifically recommended the drop crown.....what is the main difference between these to forks (you stated that they were "really different forks")?

[baloom]

I have a friend that had the 04 slider (and had a Dorado and a Shiver prior to that). He claims the best feeling fork he has ever ridden was a properly tuned and maintained Dorado.....he also stated that the Slider was the closest thing to the Dorado in feel. The only beef, the lack of small bump sensitivity which apparently has been completely addressed with the spv evolve.

I dunno......I am similarly torn between these 2 forks....I like the spv thing, the tuneabiliity of the slider and the light weight. The 888 seems very plush but not significantly more than the slider. It is a tad heavy but has that Marzocchi indestructible look and feel to it.

I will need a vision from Heaven to help me decide

[switch]

Originally posted by baloom
Just wondering why you specifically recommended the drop crown
So the fork will not be limited to bikes with short head tubes.

[baloom]

Originally posted by switch
So the fork will not be limited to bikes with short head tubes.

excuse my stupid question but does this mean that you can run the drop crown with both a short or long head tube but that a small crown will only fit a small head tube??

[switch]

Not a stupid question at all.

The lower crown has to go at a specific spot (well, pretty much so). If the head tube is long, the stanchions on each side don't stick up far enough - they won't be as high as the top of the head tube. So when you put on a flat top crown, the stanchions will not go up into the crown, and you won't be able to bolt the top crown to the stanchions. With a drop crown, the parts that bolts to the stanchions sit lower down.

Does that help? If I had a fork in front of me it would super easy to point out, but writing an explanation is hard because of the terminology.

[switch]

Look at the top crown on this Jr. T. If it was a flat crown, instead of a drop down, the sides of the crown would sit above the top of the stanchions, and would have no where to bolt on to.

http://www.marzocchi.com/System/8413/JRT20-l.jpg

[corey@nsmb.com]

*kicks back while switch answers all the gear questions*

*cracks beer, hoists it to fellow gear whore*

[nouseforaname]

i am worried about the durability of the slider - that why i am even considering the 888 (as i run manitou on my other bikes). i dont want to be fixing my fork and losing riding time/money (money will def be an issue when im out with you guys).

[CreamyCanuck]

Durability eh? My Boxxer blew through seals faster than a horny Eskimo. Not to mention I eventually bent the stanctions (sp). The Boxxer was a great fork but required money and time to keep it happy.

[baloom]

Originally posted by switch
Look at the top crown on this Jr. T. If it was a flat crown, instead of a drop down, the sides of the crown would sit above the top of the stanchions, and would have no where to bolt on to.

http://www.marzocchi.com/System/8413/JRT20-l.jpg

thanks a load dude.......excellent explanation and easy to understand even without the pic.....thanks for being a grownup and not rubbing my nose in it over the dumb question.

[EndoKing]

I've got a Slider on my Bullit & since I destroyed the internals after the first month, it's been sweet. They replaced them with the 05 stuff & most of the issues I had are gone.
Small bump sensitivity is still not as good as 888, but much improved.
The other problem I had before was really slow rebound & that's much better now.
If you pedal, get the Slider. SPV kicks ass. If you don't, get the 888.

[Uncle Duke]

shiver.


(whats up mattie?)

[switch]

Originally posted by baloom t
thanks for being a grownup and not rubbing my nose in it over the dumb question.

The only dumb question is the one not asked. :)

[baloom]

Originally posted by switch
The only dumb question is the one not asked. :)

How does a thermos know whether a drink should be hot or cold?

[IFO]

Originally posted by baloom
How does a thermos know whether a drink should be hot or cold?

u have to flip the switch...

DUH....:P

[Shocker]

04 shermans only work in conditions that arnt dusty and arnt muddy, so basically dry shore or damp shore. they lock up in mud and lock up with dust. 888 dont lock up at all.

[switch]

Originally posted by baloom
How does a thermos know whether a drink should be hot or cold?
I don't know. I'm still trying to figure out how they get the teflon to stick to the pan.

[v 10 rider]

888 hands down, marz will have flat crowns for the fork to lower it 1 1/4 inches

[IFO]

Originally posted by Shocker
04 shermans only work in conditions that arnt dusty and arnt muddy, so basically dry shore or damp shore. they lock up in mud and lock up with dust. 888 dont lock up at all.

WOW is that ever wrong, from my experience..

i got tons of buddies riding 04 Shermans... no one has had their fork lock up...

do you own a 04 sherman ??

p.s. my 03 Sherman is still on its original seals/oil... havent had to service the lowers yet... im totally impressed with its service life sofar...:thepimp:

[Timmigrant]

I dunno what about a Shiver or a Dorado? More money, but well worth it IMO. If I was to choose between the two my vote would go Slider.

[rrt]

This is kind of unsolicited but if price isnt a consern think about an avalanche I love my rear shock and if I had the $$ I'd invest in a fork from Craig as well.

[Tanja]

Originally posted by IFO
WOW is that ever wrong, from my experience..

i got tons of buddies riding 04 Shermans... no one has had their fork lock up...

do you own a 04 sherman ??

p.s. my 03 Sherman is still on its original seals/oil... havent had to service the lowers yet... im totally impressed with its service life sofar...:thepimp:

:???: Same here ('04 shermans), I ride in very muddy conditions, and am horrible with maintainance, so the fork is pretty much on it's own: works just fine! Get's the '05 tune up in a week or two, can wait to see how it feels there.

Can't tell you what to get, if the tune-up doesn't work I'm getting the 66 or 888!

[nouseforaname]

im leaning in the direction of 7" 888's but have a pair of sliders sitting less than 6ft away calling my name. The only thing that is worrying me about them is that they seem quite narrow spaced (stanchions) compared with the 888's - maybe turning circle diminished..?

[rrt]

Yup say noticably deminished turning circle.

[Uncle Duke]

puny little forks......go 888 or shiver.. do you live in BC ? you cant beat marz. for long life in BC conditions.

[baloom]

I got a slider. Haven't ridden it yet but will be write a review a soon as i have enough rides on it to form an opinion.

Interesting to see that though several people on this thread were very negative about the slider (mostly its diminutive appearance compared to the much heavier, burlier 888), the Slider is ahead in the polling for the fork of choice.