Kenda Nevegal vs Michelin Dh Comp 32

[dug]

I know people love the Michelin Comp 32 and I have heard good things about the new Kenda Nevegal. I would like to know if any of you have tried both of these tires and your thoughts.

[chauncy]

I run nevegals and they are the deadliest things. I had so much traction that I was passing xc riders on climbs on my 45 pound Stinky:) . I can rail bridges so much faster in wet conditions and even landing is much easier. They also don't wear badly. I ride every day 2 hrs+ and most of that is urban and they will last me a season easy. They offer great rolling resistance also. I can't speak for the Michelin, but I love my Nevegals

[NickS]

Ive ran both and really like the nevegals, there great tires super sticky good stuff. I give my nod to the nevegals over the michis.

[snowboarder]

I ran a nevegal and will never run it unless its raining. that thing would wipe out on every turn when it was dry. I like my arrow prime bite slow react that im on now

[Nelson]

Ive tried negevals on a couple bikes, and I run dual Comp32s on my bike. The traction is very similar, both are great. The Sidewalls on the nevegals are pretty thin though, ive seen a couple with holes through the side, and have heard of the wirebead tearing off. The Michelins are a higher quality tire. Cant really say the michelins are worth the extra $60, Unless you want to run them tubeless, just get the negeval.

[corey@nsmb.com]

I have run both at length. The Kenda delivers better grip at a lighter weight with a better sidewall (the dh casing with butyk insert). It is also cheaper.

When I bu new rubber, I'll be getting the Kenda again. It has won this ex-michellin rider over.

[Painting_of_Rebelion]

Here's my review...after a few months and several threads about what tires to choose, I went with a Blue Groove front and a Neve. rear...now after absolutely HAMMERING them this weekend on Mt. Hood, I can say that these are hte SWEETEST tires EVER, they wouldn't pinch flat despite my hardest efforts (Norco 4x4 + mach speed DH runs over big rocky sections ) they tracked like nothing I've ever experienced, and gave n already amazing conering bike even more stability, the BG front made short work of the dustiest, loosest trail I've ever seen, and the rear never tried to step out once... I would not hesitate to recomend them to anyone...I have NO experience with them in an urban env. so I dunno about that... get the Neve.

[IFO]

i've been on my blue groove/nevegal combo for a couple of months or so...

and have gotten to test them at length on both wet terrain and DRY/dusty trails...

while the tires are wickedly good in the WET/loamy earth these tires are easily eclipsed by other tires in dry/dusty terrain...

im not trying to say im supa-fast, but i can easily out-ride this tires (blue groove specificaly) ability to hold a line in dusty/loose corners...

the tire simply will NOT hold the line i want it to...to the point i have to shed speed to have any hope of making the corner...

i'll be returning to my Intense DH tires ASAP for the duration of the DRY/hot Whistla season..

and put the Kenda's back on for the WET season where they truely shine...

if your only looking at either the Kenda or Michy, i'd go Michy...

[switch]

After riding the Nevegal, Blue Groove, and Comp32, the Comp32 would get my vote for winter riding. That is, when talking fat tires. I find the narrower Tomac tires better than the Michelins in that the grip is similar yet they are only 2/3rds the weight of the Michelins (Comp16/Comp24).

[dug]

Another tire I'm thinking about is the Maxis Minion (front).

[just ride]

I just got the nevegals ( the folding ones.. ) i bought gazz tubes front and back cause "ill never pop them" , second run down and i blew the rear.. so i went and bought an axiom dh tube, ( the 2.25mm thick ones) and i lined the inside of the tire with the gazz (1.25 mm thick) then finished my day off, and then had another day of rippin and its fine, If i was to do it over again, i would get the dh casing tire for the rear.. but the folding one is fine for the front.. they are light and roll so fast- they grip to everything, when i used to run maxxis i was always so scared of everything, i would wash out everywhere in dry and wet... but these tires are sick!! i let myself go, and was able to actually progress and not hold myself back, my whole bike in general is so confidence inspiring :o im very happy with my purchase, they are imo, really good in the dry.
The michs are very heavy, expensive.. id get the comp16 over the 32, the 32 is just so much tire to throw around :P

[Painting_of_Rebelion]

Originally posted by IFO


while the tires are wickedly good in the WET/loamy earth these tires are easily eclipsed by other tires in dry/dusty terrain...

im not trying to say im supa-fast, but i can easily out-ride this tires (blue groove specificaly) ability to hold a line in dusty/loose corners...

the tire simply will NOT hold the line i want it to...to the point i have to shed speed to have any hope of making the corner...

:???: man I have the EXACT oposite feeling of the BG up front, with the absolutely awsome sidewalls and bead inserts, I run my tire preassure ALOT lower, and I was railing turns faster in the loose supper dry dust and sand than any other tires I've ever ridden, I'll say this, they feel like they'er gonna push something fierce, but in all actuality, they hook up and stay hooked up. They're not as burly as say an Arrow DH tire, but man I don't know what else you can expect out of a tire, with only 4.3in of travel, I was chasing one of Mountain Cycles resident Psycho's and bike destroyers through rock gardens that would have eaten a lesser tire up, and Tim was running a Sin with a Monster up front...

Just_Ride: Nicky?

I would deffinately suggest the DH CAP ply for the rear, I don't know about you, but when I get in nasty situations, I manual through everything, meaning my back tire takes the brunt of the hard hits, I kept checking my tires cause I was sure I'd have had a Pinch falt, but no such bad luck eh, Mt. Hood is a Rocky night mare above the Timberline, and these tires really got me through.plus, if you're adding extra tubes on top of already burly tubes you're probably adding more weight than just running a heavier tire by itself...

[just ride]

^ yea i know, i just basically wanted to finish my day and my next day and not flat again, but it works real well so ill just keep it,

i dont have the money anymore to go and buy a dh casing one and sell the folding one?

the way i have it set up now is prob the same weight it would be witha dh casing and a dh tube in there, so its all good and till it blows again i wont be complaining, or doing any replacing or extra money spending.. :P

[Bryce]

Everyone seems to like the Nevegals, me too. Very good summer tire

But in the fall I'll probably switch back to the Michelin. I think the mud and slop will clear better and the lugs will have more bite

[IFO]

Originally posted by Painting_of_Rebelion
:???: man I have the EXACT oposite feeling of the BG up front, with the absolutely awsome sidewalls and bead inserts, I run my tire preassure ALOT lower, and I was railing turns faster in the loose supper dry dust and sand than any other tires I've ever ridden, I'll say this, they feel like they'er gonna push something fierce, but in all actuality, they hook up and stay hooked up.



all i know is the tire simply wont turn even if i give it more lean/turn....

only way to get near the line i want is to slow down...

im running about 25psi...

glad to hear your tires are working for you... thats whats most important..

cuz everyone can find different results with the same/similar gear..no one is wrong, its just diffferent..

for me, im going back to my Intense DH's...:thepimp:

least until it gets WET, then they have to come back off...:(

[Painting_of_Rebelion]

Originally posted by IFO
all i know is the tire simply wont turn even if i give it more lean/turn....

only way to get near the line i want is to slow down...

im running about 25psi...

glad to hear your tires are working for you... thats whats most important..

cuz everyone can find different results with the same/similar gear..no one is wrong, its just diffferent..

yep, everyone run's something a little different eh, I hear ya, it's just funny to have to completely oposite reactions, but whatever :) I haven't rtied these suckers in the wet yet cause there is no real wet right now, but I'll be anxious to see how they do since everyone is heralding them as stellar wet tires...

Originally posted by just ride
^ yea i know, i just basically wanted to finish my day and my next day and not flat again, but it works real well so ill just keep it,

i dont have the money anymore to go and buy a dh casing one and sell the folding one?

the way i have it set up now is prob the same weight it would be witha dh casing and a dh tube in there, so its all good and till it blows again i wont be complaining, or doing any replacing or extra money spending.. :P Yeah, I hear ya :) sometimes you've just gotta get through eh, well at least your set-up lasted cause it would have sucked to be out of comission and not get to ride for a few days...Just Curious, do you get any tire squirm with all those layers moving on eachother? My friend's in kind of the same boat, flating alot, and has no money for new tires...

[HRELP]

Have the best of both worlds comp32 in the front and nevegal in the rear is the best wet tire setup i've ever tried. I like the nevegal around 35psi.

[just ride]

Originally posted by Painting_of_Rebelion

Yeah, I hear ya :) sometimes you've just gotta get through eh, well at least your set-up lasted cause it would have sucked to be out of comission and not get to ride for a few days...Just Curious, do you get any tire squirm with all those layers moving on eachother? My friend's in kind of the same boat, flating alot, and has no money for new tires...

nah their good, its solid..no squirm- the guy in the shop said i better bring it in and show to him the day it blows, he said he would never believe it, cause thags like, 1.25+1.25+2.25+air+2.25 + the tire between the rim and the ground! LOL!! weight yes, solid, yes. hahaha..... :lol:

[ross]

isnt the nevegel a front specific tire? or rear or w/e? i dont really know but i remember readin a review about them on here and i remember hearin something about that

[Jigsaw]

Nevegal is a sweet tire. I would say the best tire, I have used. I don't have a lot of experience with tires, but the Nevegal grips like mad.

[switch]

Originally posted by ~*jUnIoR.T*~
isnt the nevegel a front specific tire? or rear or w/e? i dont really know but i remember readin a review about them on here and i remember hearin something about that

No. It's similar in tread design to a Maxxis High Roller. Front or rear, it will work.

You can run a Blue Groove as a rear tire too. Lots of riders run a Michelin Comp32 front/rear.

Whatever fits your riding style - go with it.

[HRELP]

Kenda says that the nevegal is supposed to be a rear tire while the blue groove is supposed to be a front tire. However a few people i've talked to running this setup prefer the nevegal in the rear and a michelin in the front. Everyone i've talked to that had the nevegal loved it .... not so much the bluegroove.

[TheGiggler]

i love the nevegal on the front, it's great. i've also heard from more than a couple people that dual nevegal is the way to go... the nevegal just owns the blue groove up front.

although i won't run the nevegal on the rear except in winter... it seems like a pretty soft tire, and i was not overly impressed with the wear...

[just ride]

Originally posted by statix
i love the nevegal on the front, it's great. i've also heard from more than a couple people that dual nevegal is the way to go... the nevegal just owns the blue groove up front.


:werd:

everyone i know running the kendas have dual nevegals, they roll much faster then with the BG up front.

[chauncy]

I run dual Nevegals and it works good.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by just ride
:werd:

everyone i know running the kendas have dual nevegals, they roll much faster then with the BG up front.


That doesn't make any sense given the Nevegal has a lower profile tread.

How does one determine that a tire rolls faster than the other anyway? :???:

Obviously tire compound and weight makes a difference, but the BG and Nevegal share the exact same compound and their weight is near identical.

Seems pretty subjective.

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by statix
although i won't run the nevegal on the rear except in winter... it seems like a pretty soft tire, and i was not overly impressed with the wear...

Weird. I'm on the exact same tires I reviewed last August...and I rode all winter, and put a ton of Whislter miles on them last summer, this summer, and a 10 day Moab slickrock trip too.

Tread is finally getting a bit tired, but mostly just the top of the tire. The side lugs are still pretty good.

Probably change them within the next few weeks.

[TheGiggler]

Originally posted by corey@nsmb.com
Weird. I'm on the exact same tires I reviewed last August...and I rode all winter, and put a ton of Whislter miles on them last summer, this summer, and a 10 day Moab slickrock trip too.



i can wear out a hard-compound rear tire in 2-3 months... so just because they wear fast for me doesn't necessarily mean anything :)


BTW, the reason most people don't like the blue groove is the "open" tread pattern... it is much more open than most front-specific mtb tires. while the nevegal has an awesome closed knobby pattern, and a great rounded profile for a front. but you very accurartely summed it all up with "seems pretty subjective" :)

[just ride]

Originally posted by statix

BTW, the reason most people don't like the blue groove is the "open" tread pattern... it is much more open than most front-specific mtb tires. while the nevegal has an awesome closed knobby pattern, and a great rounded profile for a front.

they pretty much sums it up right there

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by just ride
they pretty much sums it up right there

Not really...it explains the opposite.

Fast rolling tires, like the Maxxis Bling Bling (a tire for dual slalom racing) are designed to have a lower tread pattern (like the BG when compared to the Nevegal) and have wider spaced lugs.

So really, that theory above seems pretty backwards. It describes how the tires differ, but doesn't explain how the BG could possibly roll "slower" than a Nevegal.

:)

[TheGiggler]

i think the main reason for going Nevegal up front is the perceived increase in grip, not rolling resistance...

i seriously doubt there is that much diff in rollowing resistance between these two tires, if they both have the same compound, and roughly the same knob height... :)

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by statix
i seriously doubt there is that much diff in rollowing resistance between these two tires, if they both have the same compound, and roughly the same knob height... :)

I'm with ya, that's exactly what I'm trying to get across. :thepimp:

I've tried both combinations, but the dual Nevegal experience was short and limited to a dry day.

I can't say I noticed any significant difference in grip either way.

[just ride]

Originally posted by corey@nsmb.com
Not really...it explains the opposite.

Fast rolling tires, like the Maxxis Bling Bling (a tire for dual slalom racing) are designed to have a lower tread pattern (like the BG when compared to the Nevegal) and have wider spaced lugs.

So really, that theory above seems pretty backwards. It describes how the tires differ, but doesn't explain how the BG could possibly roll "slower" than a Nevegal.

:)

i really cant explain what i want to say and how to describe it cause i dont know all the technically know how terms and such:( so ill just stop talking :P

[corey@nsmb.com]

Originally posted by just ride
i really cant explain what i want to say and how to describe it cause i dont know all the technically know how terms and such:( so ill just stop talking :P

:lol: classic! ;)

Cheers.

[just ride]

Originally posted by corey@nsmb.com
:lol: classic! ;)

Cheers.

:beer:

[switch]

Blue Groove:
http://www.supergo.com/product_images/large/50-1801.jpg

Nevegal:
http://www.supergo.com/product_images/large/50-1798.jpg

I like the Blue Groove tread design for muddy/wet conditions. For mucky conditions, it might be OK as the knobs might be spaced out enough to prevent packing.

The pseudo "barred" type of tread, like the Nevegal, is preferrable for the rear as for me it's better for digging in when pedaling.

But so much of this is subjective, and not easy to quantify. For example, tire pressure has an enormous effect on the performance of a tire. I like the Michelin Comp32 for wet/slippery conditions because I can run low pressure (16psi), thereby creating a huge footprint. At 30psi, the tire would not perform anywhere near as well in the same condition.

Weight also makes quite a difference. The 2.3" Tomac series, folding version, roll quite well; better than a 2.5" Michelin, even though the measured width is very similar. So for summer riding I'll go with a lighter tire that I can pump up harder.

For what it's worth, I'm running a pair of 2.35" versions of these tires on my XC bike, and in dry to semi-wet conditions they are great. Rolll as well as pretty much any tire, are light, pedal really well, and are still quite wide.


http://www.supergo.com/product_images/large/50-1129.jpg

[Faithless]

i just got my rear nevegal sticky version (26 x 2.35) and im liking them, i just took them for a rip in the forest, and they stick to dirt like no tommorow.

[just ride]

Originally posted by switch

The 2.3" Tomac series, folding version, roll quite well;

yes, they do, i go so fast now its so scary :o :(

[peachy-B]

darn bikeroom.com got the nevegal and blue groove image reversed. duh!

thanks for setting me straight!

[Painting_of_Rebelion]

All I can say is I really Like the Bg up front, and I'm loving the Neve on the back, I followed the review's advice, and I'm not at all dissatisfied, they hook up really well, and they take a serious beating, the 4x4 was already a ripper in the turns, but these tires have completely transformed it, with low air I'm pretty much getting another 1/2in plus of squish and cushion, and with a low center of gravity that's all translated into alot of lateral grip... as far as rolling resisytance, wow, were getting a bit XC'ish here aren't we? I mean yeah maybe they're not as fast as a few others, but hey're big, heavy, soft DH/FR tires, sure, they're slow rolling, but the boulder I hit with'm doesn't help either :lol: Personaly, I htink Kenda's put out a SWEET tire either way, dual Neve's or BG neve combo's alike are sweet...

[ross]

what i want to know is

corey, are you goin to keep the same tire setup when you buy new ones?

[Buzz]

Just got Nevegal 2.7 front 2.5 rear and couldn't believe the bigger 2.7 was only 30 grams heavier than the 1316g. 2.5. We'll see how they do at the mt. tomorrow(Snowshoe WV USA) I ran 2.7 Intense Intruder(1700g) front and Michy Comp 16 2.5 prior. The Kenda side walls are deff. thinner but I can feel the lightness of the Nevegal(easier to wheelie and get the front up and jump higher cause lighter bike overall. It rained all day so we'll see

[IFO]

Originally posted by ~*jUnIoR.T*~
what i want to know is

corey, are you goin to keep the same tire setup when you buy new ones?

hahah why dont u ask him that question today...

i hear a rumor he was REALLY happy on the Intense IntruderDH i sold him....:D

:cool: